If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The Detroit_News)   I wonder how many people are sued for child support by their wives? Not EX-wife, mind you, nor even in divorce proceedings   (detroitnews.com) divider line 45
    More: Strange, child support, Kwame Kilpatrick, proceedings, Ex-wife, Novi  
•       •       •

9327 clicks; posted to Main » on 02 May 2013 at 3:38 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



45 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2013-05-02 03:42:53 PM
Corruption in Detroit? Color me shocked.
 
2013-05-02 03:43:03 PM
Several
 
2013-05-02 03:43:37 PM
"A child-support order cannot be wiped away in bankruptcy, Harrington said."

Well, that explains it.
 
2013-05-02 03:45:51 PM
Kennedy Thomas, a former employee of Ferguson's construction firm, won a $2.6 million jury verdict against Ferguson in 2007 after Ferguson was convicted in 2005 of pistol whipping him.

To be honest, subby, this is far too local and specific to be germane to Fark.
 
2013-05-02 03:46:16 PM

JohnTuttle: "A child-support order cannot be wiped away in bankruptcy, Harrington said."

Well, that explains it.


Yep.
 
2013-05-02 03:47:51 PM
www.lightplanet.com

Seen quietly hiding article under the sofa.


/hot, unlike Figs. 1 - 21
 
2013-05-02 03:49:31 PM
Can ill gotten gains even be counted in these things when I comes down to it?
 
2013-05-02 03:52:23 PM

Pangea: Corruption in Detroit? Color me shocked.



I know.  We need to get back to good, honest, decent politicians who never told a lie in their lives (that was proven) like Coleman Young.
 
2013-05-02 03:52:24 PM
It is rare for a spouse to sue for child support before filing for divorce

Not in states where a lengthy separation period must accrue before one can file for divorce.
 
2013-05-02 03:54:47 PM
>= 1
 
2013-05-02 03:54:53 PM

kronicfeld: It is rare for a spouse to sue for child support before filing for divorce

Not in states where a lengthy separation period must accrue before one can file for divorce.


Maryland!
 
2013-05-02 03:58:12 PM
A child support order can't be wiped away in bankruptcy - the recipient is "kind of" second in line behind the IRS and enforcement is very strong.  Interesting stuff.
 
2013-05-02 03:58:20 PM

Pangea: Corruption in Detroit? Color me shocked.


mybfolder.com
 
2013-05-02 03:58:34 PM

Astorix: kronicfeld: It is rare for a spouse to sue for child support before filing for divorce

Not in states where a lengthy separation period must accrue before one can file for divorce.

Maryland!


Usually it's a pende lite (sp?) order that becomes permanent with the divorce.
 
2013-05-02 04:05:29 PM

abfalter: Pangea: Corruption in Detroit? Color me shocked.

I know.  We need to get back to good, honest, decent politicians who never told a lie in their lives (that was proven) like Coleman Young.


Interesting guy. Thanks for the reference.

Quotes:
"I'm smiling all the time. That doesn't mean a God damned thing except I think people who go around solemn-faced and quoting the Bible are full of shiat."

"Racism is like high blood pressure-the person who has it doesn't know he has it until he drops over with a God damned stroke. There are no symptoms of racism. The victim of racism is in a much better position to tell you whether or not you're a racist than you are."

"I issue a warning to all those pushers, to all rip-off artists, to all muggers: It's time to leave Detroit; hit Eight Mile Road! And I don't give a damn if they are black or white, or if they wear Superfly suits or blue uniforms with silver badges. Hit the road."
 
2013-05-02 04:07:59 PM
Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.
 
2013-05-02 04:36:03 PM

inglixthemad: Astorix: kronicfeld: It is rare for a spouse to sue for child support before filing for divorce

Not in states where a lengthy separation period must accrue before one can file for divorce.

Maryland!

Usually it's a pende lite (sp?) order that becomes permanent with the divorce.


Pendente lite.
 
2013-05-02 04:38:37 PM
Well, the dude's trying to disappear all of his money, both ill-gotten and otherwise.  Legally establishing your monetary claims on him before he manages it is both a good call in itself and something the prosecution would like you to do as it legally establishes how much money the defendant has for other purposes.
 
2013-05-02 04:38:53 PM

Aquapope: Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.


CSB

My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year. He is in jail right now. This is a guy without a college education that built a small business up only to have it implode and take all of his net worth with it. On top of all that, he was found in contempt because he couldn't keep up with: child support, alimony, and two life insurance policies (one for the ex, one for the kids)

The real burner of the legal side? He had to pay for her lawyer too, lost his house (tiny as it was), and has little hope in EVER digging out of the CS / Alimony hole he's in jail for.

It's not like this guy was working for a buddy getting cash under the table. He was working for a national company, and filed all the appropriate papers to notify of his new job. He then had his lawyer beg the judge "pretty please, lower my client's payments" while his ex-wife's lawyer (that he paid for) was calling him a deadbeat.

Mind you, when they divorced she got the: House, SUV, brokerage account (the whole thing) the kids (70/30 or some such placement), and alimony.

He got: his business

Two years later and he's pretty much given up now. What's he going to do? Start another business when he's stuck in jail (on and off), can't get a loan, and wouldn't be able to put a penny back in for heaven knows how long because he owes so much back CS & Alimony? He figures he'll be living in the lockup on and off for the next fifteen years at least.
 
2013-05-02 04:41:22 PM

inglixthemad: Aquapope: Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.

CSB

My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year. He is in jail right now. This is a guy without a college education that built a small business up only to have it implode and take all of his net worth with it. On top of all that, he was found in contempt because he couldn't keep up with: child support, alimony, and two life insurance policies (one for the ex, one for the kids)

The real burner of the legal side? He had to pay for her lawyer too, lost his house ...


Marriage is a suckers bet, for men.
 
2013-05-02 04:46:56 PM

Koalaesq: inglixthemad: Astorix: kronicfeld: It is rare for a spouse to sue for child support before filing for divorce

Not in states where a lengthy separation period must accrue before one can file for divorce.

Maryland!

Usually it's a pende lite (sp?) order that becomes permanent with the divorce.

Pendente lite.


sounds like a foreign low-calorie beer...
 
2013-05-02 04:47:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: Well, the dude's trying to disappear all of his money, both ill-gotten and otherwise.  Legally establishing your monetary claims on him before he manages it is both a good call in itself and something the prosecution would like you to do as it legally establishes how much money the defendant has for other purposes.


Sure, so now she can make a claim on a huge amount of child support based on his millions. Then he is sued for the ill gotten millions. He loses the money yet is still on the hook for the high child support he can't pay? Great tactic.
 
2013-05-02 04:52:31 PM

Aquapope: Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.


wow.  just wow.  How could he have NOT been a chiropractor?
 
2013-05-02 04:53:15 PM

inglixthemad: My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year.


The part that you (or he) abbreviated as "long story short" without explanation is, of course, the most important part of the story. Income isn't just "imputed" without reason.
 
2013-05-02 04:54:07 PM

Aquapope: They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.


Then why the fark did your friend marry this clown in the first place?
 
2013-05-02 04:56:13 PM

Nana's Vibrator: A child support order can't be wiped away in bankruptcy - the recipient is "kind of" second in line behind the IRS and enforcement is very strong.  Interesting stuff.


I noticed that line as well... Isn't it kind of bullshiat? I'm constantly hearing of dads that are years behind on payments.
 
2013-05-02 04:56:16 PM

inglixthemad: Aquapope: Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.

CSB

My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year. He is in jail right now. This is a guy without a college education that built a small business up only to have it implode and take all of his net worth with it. On top of all that, he was found in contempt because he couldn't keep up with: child support, alimony, and two life insurance policies (one for the ex, one for the kids)

The real burner of the legal side? He had to pay for her lawyer too, lost his house ...


The shiatty part?  The judge is right.  He owes that money to the child.  His ability to pay does not reduce the child's financial requirements to live.  It sucks for him.  But, it sucks for the child as well. No winners here.
 
2013-05-02 05:06:17 PM

Magnus: inglixthemad: Aquapope: Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.

CSB

My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year. He is in jail right now. This is a guy without a college education that built a small business up only to have it implode and take all of his net worth with it. On top of all that, he was found in contempt because he couldn't keep up with: child support, alimony, and two life insurance policies (one for the ex, one for the kids)

The real burner of the legal side? He had to pay for her lawyer too, l ...


Um...what if the guy had only ever made $12/hour?  Would he still be in trouble because he can't supply the child's "financial requirements to live"?  That seems like a really shiatty argument thought up by a lawyer.
 
2013-05-02 05:06:53 PM

jst3p: inglixthemad: Aquapope: Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.

CSB

My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year. He is in jail right now. This is a guy without a college education that built a small business up only to have it implode and take all of his net worth with it. On top of all that, he was found in contempt because he couldn't keep up with: child support, alimony, and two life insurance policies (one for the ex, one for the kids)

The real burner of the legal side? He had to pay for her lawyer too, lost his house ...

Marriage is a suckers bet, for men.


Family court is indentured servitude for men.
he would be better off getting his ass locked away in the long run.
 
2013-05-02 05:06:54 PM

Sun Khan: [www.lightplanet.com image 617x800]

Seen quietly hiding article under the sofa.


/hot, unlike Figs. 1 - 21


I'd hit 'em.
 
2013-05-02 05:10:47 PM
"The child-support complaint says that the Michigan Department of Human Services is providing public assistance to the couple's 15-year-old son and that Ferguson has failed to provide support. The son is the youngest of the couple's five children and is living with his mom, according to the complaint."

That's the paragraph that caught my eye.  In my state, DHS goes after "deadbeat parents" for child support rather quickly if the custodial parent has brought the child in for assistance funds.  Add that to the fact the mom can "lock in" her child support payment amounts based on the last year's income right now and you have two excellent reasons to request spousal/child support from a father that has abandoned care of his family.

Course, my state sees these a lot more than others.  Mississippi doesn't allow unilateral ID divorce.  So one parent leaves the family behind, the remaining parent has to do something to get support for the children from the abandoning parent.  This is a popular option.
 
2013-05-02 05:12:56 PM
Does the person suing for child support actually have custody of the kid?

The article seems to indicate otherwise.
 
2013-05-02 05:50:43 PM

kronicfeld: inglixthemad: My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year.

The part that you (or he) abbreviated as "long story short" without explanation is, of course, the most important part of the story. Income isn't just "imputed" without reason.


I've seen a truck driver's imputed in spite of paystubs and income tax returns because the pay stubs "could have been fabricated" and because "a lot of [truck drivers] don't disclose their true income on tax returns".
 
2013-05-02 06:17:59 PM

you are a puppet: kronicfeld: inglixthemad: My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year.

The part that you (or he) abbreviated as "long story short" without explanation is, of course, the most important part of the story. Income isn't just "imputed" without reason.

I've seen a truck driver's imputed in spite of paystubs and income tax returns because the pay stubs "could have been fabricated" and because "a lot of [truck drivers] don't disclose their true income on tax returns".


You're saying truck drivers lie? I am shocked, SHOCKED by this.
 
2013-05-02 06:56:01 PM

Kipple: "The child-support complaint says that the Michigan Department of Human Services is providing public assistance to the couple's 15-year-old son and that Ferguson has failed to provide support. The son is the youngest of the couple's five children and is living with his mom, according to the complaint."

That's the paragraph that caught my eye.  In my state, DHS goes after "deadbeat parents" for child support rather quickly if the custodial parent has brought the child in for assistance funds.  Add that to the fact the mom can "lock in" her child support payment amounts based on the last year's income right now and you have two excellent reasons to request spousal/child support from a father that has abandoned care of his family.

Course, my state sees these a lot more than others.  Mississippi doesn't allow unilateral ID divorce.  So one parent leaves the family behind, the remaining parent has to do something to get support for the children from the abandoning parent.  This is a popular option.


Try the wonderful state of Wisconsin. Child support there is a bit different than the usual "pay X amount a month or else". In Wisconsin, its 17% for one child, 34% for 2, and 50% for 3 or more, of *whatever* you are making after taxes, but *before* anything else such as insurance, 401(k), and anything else getting deducted. And they *do* consider unemployment payments as income that can be garnished from. And being self-employed means you had better have records of *every* penny you made and hour you worked, or the judge will assume you are making more than you reported and asses the % owed against his estimate of what you made.
 
2013-05-02 07:01:56 PM

ClavellBCMI: Kipple: "The child-support complaint says that the Michigan Department of Human Services is providing public assistance to the couple's 15-year-old son and that Ferguson has failed to provide support. The son is the youngest of the couple's five children and is living with his mom, according to the complaint."

That's the paragraph that caught my eye.  In my state, DHS goes after "deadbeat parents" for child support rather quickly if the custodial parent has brought the child in for assistance funds.  Add that to the fact the mom can "lock in" her child support payment amounts based on the last year's income right now and you have two excellent reasons to request spousal/child support from a father that has abandoned care of his family.

Course, my state sees these a lot more than others.  Mississippi doesn't allow unilateral ID divorce.  So one parent leaves the family behind, the remaining parent has to do something to get support for the children from the abandoning parent.  This is a popular option.

Try the wonderful state of Wisconsin. Child support there is a bit different than the usual "pay X amount a month or else". In Wisconsin, its 17% for one child, 34% for 2, and 50% for 3 or more, of *whatever* you are making after taxes, but *before* anything else such as insurance, 401(k), and anything else getting deducted. And they *do* consider unemployment payments as income that can be garnished from. And being self-employed means you had better have records of *every* penny you made and hour you worked, or the judge will assume you are making more than you reported and asses the % owed against his estimate of what you made.


Getting snipped and not having kids keeps a lid on most of these shenanigans. Sure, there's alimony, but getting pinched for child support and all that goes with it while she does what she likes?

F*ck that. Marriage isn't as dangerous for men if no kids are involved and/or he isn't financially well-off.
 
2013-05-02 07:08:04 PM

Summercat: Does the person suing for child support actually have custody of the kid?

The article seems to indicate otherwise.


Well, the father's in federal custody right now, pending sentencing, because it's widely assumed that there's cash he can get his hands on to flee if released.  As the feds keep looking, they keep finding more cash: $400,000 just in the last couple of weeks.  Whenever they raided his haunts, they'd find huge amounts of cash.
 
2013-05-02 08:49:49 PM
When I read the headline, I thought -- sure because he's the target of another person's lawsuit or something (the child support would protect the assets).  About to declare bankruptcy works too.
 
2013-05-02 08:50:16 PM

skrame: Nana's Vibrator: A child support order can't be wiped away in bankruptcy - the recipient is "kind of" second in line behind the IRS and enforcement is very strong.  Interesting stuff.

I noticed that line as well... Isn't it kind of bullshiat? I'm constantly hearing of dads that are years behind on payments.


How Collectible Are Arrears?  Dept. of HHS

Unsurprisingly, collection rates vary with reported income.  For obligor incomes between $20K and $30K the percentage of arrears collected was 87%. $30-40K, 97%; over $40K, 100%.

"Very strong enforcement" includes seizure of tax refunds, loss of driver's license and professional licenses, and jail time.  All of that is dispensed more readily for child  support than for credit card debt.

Still means tens of billions in arrears, though.  And yeah, if you don't know where his money is it's kinda hard to collect.
 
2013-05-02 08:55:35 PM
Well, the state of California is so equal that a woman paying a man spousal support can effectively zero out any hopes of child support he was to pay.  Ain't that a biatch?

Yes, he works, always has and makes a decent living. I just make more.  He still should have to pay to support his own kid, just something.  Can't even pay 1/2 the medical bills which are REQUIRED to be paid.
 
2013-05-02 10:04:37 PM

jayphat: you are a puppet: kronicfeld: inglixthemad: My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year.

The part that you (or he) abbreviated as "long story short" without explanation is, of course, the most important part of the story. Income isn't just "imputed" without reason.

I've seen a truck driver's imputed in spite of paystubs and income tax returns because the pay stubs "could have been fabricated" and because "a lot of [truck drivers] don't disclose their true income on tax returns".

You're saying truck drivers lie? I am shocked, SHOCKED by this.


Oh, and his wife also agreed with the figure he presented as his income and wanted to accept a lower number in support. But she had received TANF, and therefore the government overruled her, and demanded the amount based on his imputed income. A number he can't afford because, as shown in his pay stubs and affirmed to by the owner of the truck he drives, he splits half his trucking proceeds with said truck owner.
 
2013-05-02 10:41:20 PM

sethen320: Magnus: inglixthemad: Aquapope: Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.

CSB

My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year. He is in jail right now. This is a guy without a college education that built a small business up only to have it implode and take all of his net worth with it. On top of all that, he was found in contempt because he couldn't keep up with: child support, alimony, and two life insurance policies (one for the ex, one for the kids)

The real burner of the legal side? He had to pay for her lawye ...


shockingly enough, people have lied about the level of their income to avoid paying child support.  Anyway, child support is considered, in many states, a right of the child/children. Current income level of the supporting parent is often considered irrelevant to the level of support needed by the child.
 
2013-05-02 11:01:01 PM
I got lucky. Me and my ex-wife ended things on very amicable terms, and she knew there was no way I could make the kinds of payments that Child Support Offices require so she marched up there herself and signed some paperwork waiving her right to it.  Now I just buy my daughter the things she needswhenever she needs them, rather than forking over obscene amounts of money every month with the threat of prison if I have the audacity to drop below the poverty line.
 
2013-05-02 11:41:43 PM

kronicfeld: inglixthemad: My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year.

The part that you (or he) abbreviated as "long story short" without explanation is, of course, the most important part of the story. Income isn't just "imputed" without reason.


His former net worth, his now dead business. Before things went to shiat, he had a successful company that slowly was ground to dust by the economy. In fact, she was given pretty much everything else, he got the business.

The judge refused to look at the fact he can't get the capital right off the bat to replace hundreds of thousands in dollars of equipment, payroll for employees, et al. You know, all those things that creditors seized and people that had to go find new jobs themselves.

The judge based his imputed income on the fact that several years ago he had a "salary" of $100k from his business. What the judge didn't take into account was that the money that came out (mostly) was to pay for legal bills (his and hers) and her lump sum payment.

Oh, and if you think income isn't imputed without a reason: the only reason they need is that you either (at one point, even ten years ago) made that much OR that your degree is "worth" that much. Yep, even if you never held a job that paid that mystical dollar value, you can be expected to pay that much.
 
2013-05-03 12:06:01 AM

Magnus: sethen320: Magnus: inglixthemad: Aquapope: Family Friend/Neighbor was taken to court by her ex-husband trying to reduce his child support payments (which he hadn't made in 2 years) because his new pregnant wife, new house and new car were costing him enough, he didn't feel he needed to support his first two sons as well.  She was terrified his non-paying ass was going to be let off the hook for the remaining 12 plus years of child support, which would probably mean getting a third job.  I saw her come home from the hearing, literally dancing in the driveway.  Judge said: "Not only will you write a check for 2 years of missed payments right this very minute, or go to jail, your monthly payment is now doubled and you must pay it through the state child services agency so we'll know when you 'forget' and make sure you remember..."

He was a monumental dick.  When my sister fell off her bike, he ran over from his front yard and declared that she hadn't broken any bones.  She hadn't, but he sent my parents a bill because he was a chiropractor and figured he was acting as a doctor so they should pay.  They ignored the bill and he never pursued it, but that's the kind of dick he was.

CSB

My friend had his business tank with the economy. Shiat happens. Full bankruptcy, everything gone, including the truck (company asset) and he goes to court to get his payments reduced because he's now making $12 an hour at a national company. His ex is screaming about how unfair it is that he wants the payments changed.

Long story short: The payments didn't change. They "imputed" his income to be $100k a year. He is in jail right now. This is a guy without a college education that built a small business up only to have it implode and take all of his net worth with it. On top of all that, he was found in contempt because he couldn't keep up with: child support, alimony, and two life insurance policies (one for the ex, one for the kids)

The real burner of the legal side? He had to pay for her lawye ...

shockingly enough, people have lied about the level of their income to avoid paying child support.  Anyway, child support is considered, in many states, a right of the child/children. Current income level of the supporting parent is often considered irrelevant to the level of support needed by the child.


The only job he could find (quickly) was a job for a national company. They weren't paying him under the table.

The ridiculous thing is that "right of the children" argument. Were they still married, and she's the one who filed before anyone asks, they'd be living on $12 an hour. Why? That's what he could find quickly. Maybe double that if SHE motivated herself to work. He didn't wait months to try and get a job.

That's the problem with the system. He didn't lose his business on purpose. He didn't walk out of bankruptcy court with nothing from it because he thought it would be fun. He was paying from his first paycheck on the new job. He's just not making as much as he used to make, and them's he breaks in life. For that, he deserves jail? Ridiculous.
 
Displayed 45 of 45 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report