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(Guardian)   Shocking study reveals insecticides are killing insects   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 46
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2013-05-02 01:35:14 PM
Oh no! RAAAAAAAAIIIIDDDDDD!

*Poof*
 
2013-05-02 01:48:28 PM
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2013-05-02 02:00:03 PM
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2013-05-02 02:16:04 PM

Walker: [i1.kym-cdn.com image 273x200]


news flash: less stuff was found living in polluted water than was living in clean water. details at 11
 
2013-05-02 02:23:00 PM
GTFO!
 
2013-05-02 02:31:43 PM
The bottom of the food chain is unimportant wehn compared to corporate profitability.
 
2013-05-02 02:48:22 PM
 
2013-05-02 02:59:57 PM
Didn't we learn a thing from DDT?
 
2013-05-02 03:01:06 PM
And Monsanto is killing off all the bees, whats your point subby?
 
2013-05-02 03:06:15 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: And Monsanto is killing off all the bees, whats your point subby?


Those buzzing little basterds had it coming!
 
2013-05-02 03:09:05 PM
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2013-05-02 03:18:37 PM

Astorix: Didn't we learn a thing from DDT?


That it saves lives.
 
2013-05-02 03:21:23 PM

blatz514: Who did this study?


I don't think they gave the insects names.
 
2013-05-02 03:21:33 PM
Half of the U.S. commercial beehives are stressed by mass die-offs.

Do we want almonds?  Onions?  Cotton?

We may have to grab our Q-tips and start  pollinating.

/berries
//citrus
 
2013-05-02 03:22:46 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: And Monsanto is killing off all the bees, whats your point subby?


Actually, it is Bayer and Syngenta in this case, and the imidicloprid fta is the same stuff that is doing it to the bees.
 
2013-05-02 03:33:36 PM
"If the bee disappeared off the face of the earth, man would only have four years left to live." - Einstein
 
2013-05-02 03:34:32 PM

Astorix: Didn't we learn a thing from DDT?


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2013-05-02 03:35:04 PM
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2013-05-02 03:37:12 PM
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Proven ineffective against that sort of thing
 
2013-05-02 03:41:02 PM
FTFA: He blamed the underlying problem on imidacloprid's extreme potency in killing invertebrates and its long persistence in soil and water. He said there was also a "system error" in the way that pesticides are authorised in the EU, which, for example, assesses only their effect in individual crops, not any cumulative impact.

If only we could change just one thing and one thing only.
 
2013-05-02 03:47:50 PM

Urine The Money: Half of the U.S. commercial beehives are stressed by mass die-offs.

Do we want almonds?  Onions?  Cotton?

We may have to grab our Q-tips and start  pollinating.

/berries
//citrus


This. When we start mucking with something as complex as Mother Nature without understanding the impact we have fully, we really screw shiat up.
 
2013-05-02 03:50:05 PM

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I'm reminded of the Ohmu from Nausicca of the Valley of the Wind...
 
2013-05-02 03:52:53 PM

Bravo Two: Urine The Money: Half of the U.S. commercial beehives are stressed by mass die-offs.

Do we want almonds?  Onions?  Cotton?

We may have to grab our Q-tips and start  pollinating.

/berries
//citrus

This. When we start mucking with something as complex as Mother Nature without understanding the impact we have fully, we really screw shiat up.


My favorite anti-environmentalist response is always "man is too small to possibly impact the Earth's environment" when we have obviously done so. It's like dams don't exist to these people or Easter Island never ran out of trees.
 
2013-05-02 03:57:56 PM

reklamfox:


What the heck is that?! *shivers*
 
2013-05-02 04:01:23 PM

poodebunker: reklamfox:

What the heck is that?! *shivers*


House centipede. They're everywhere
 
2013-05-02 04:02:57 PM

reklamfox: poodebunker: reklamfox:

What the heck is that?! *shivers*

House centipede. They're everywhere


Like spiders whenever I see them I salute them and thank them for their service (of eating nuisance insects).
 
2013-05-02 04:04:35 PM
Water should be a shared resource that belongs to all of us collectively and none of us individually.
Why should anyone be allowed to introduce toxins into the water supply?
I can understand using it on your own farm but it should not be allowed to leave the farm.
We forbid people from running around spray-painting public property.
We forbid people pissing in the streets.
Why shouldn't it be a crime to release a toxin into the water supply?
Why shouldn't it be a felony?
 
2013-05-02 04:21:07 PM
Insecticides kill insects? You can't explain that.
 
2013-05-02 04:31:15 PM

WeenerGord: Insecticides kill insects? You can't explain that.


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2013-05-02 04:31:22 PM
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2013-05-02 04:52:03 PM

TheWhoppah: Water should be a shared resource that belongs to all of us collectively and none of us individually.
Why should anyone be allowed to introduce toxins into the water supply?
I can understand using it on your own farm but it should not be allowed to leave the farm.
We forbid people from running around spray-painting public property.
We forbid people pissing in the streets.
Why shouldn't it be a crime to release a toxin into the water supply?
Why shouldn't it be a felony?


The concept of "Toxin" has two components: Chemical, and dose. A fundamental concept of toxicity is that there is no toxicity if the concentration of a particular chemical does not exceed some threshold.

If you established a criteria of zero insecticide, or herbicide, or fertilizer runoff without taking into account the effect of concentration, you would be effectively banning them outright, decimating agriculture and our food supply.
Think of our air: You wouldn't directly breathe the exhaust of an automobile - yet hundreds of millions of them combined emit pollution that, at a global dose level, their harm is considered acceptable and even trivial relative to their benefit.

That's why these kinds of studies are done: To evaluate the risk of toxicity, and determine whether the costs outweigh the benefits. That is done before regulatory approval as well, but the issue needs to be revisited after the fact to ensure that the initial studies are correct, or that there aren't unintended effects.
 
2013-05-02 06:25:06 PM
You mean an insecticide might kill other insects besides the ones we want to kill, in areas other than the one we want to treat?

Imagine!
 
2013-05-02 06:30:54 PM
Monsanto RoundUp Ready bees.
 
2013-05-02 06:34:23 PM

TheWhoppah: Why shouldn't it be a crime to release a toxin into the water supply?
Why shouldn't it be a felony?


sometimes u use water to BREAK DOWN toxins. so it depends on the toxin.
 
2013-05-02 07:36:11 PM
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2013-05-02 08:40:58 PM

reklamfox: poodebunker: reklamfox:

What the heck is that?! *shivers*

House centipede. They're everywhere


I've never seen anything like that in my home, where do they hang out? I just want to be prepared so I dont think earth is under an alien attack.
 
2013-05-02 09:52:03 PM

Enigmamf: TheWhoppah: Water should be a shared resource that belongs to all of us collectively and none of us individually.
Why should anyone be allowed to introduce toxins into the water supply?
I can understand using it on your own farm but it should not be allowed to leave the farm.
We forbid people from running around spray-painting public property.
We forbid people pissing in the streets.
Why shouldn't it be a crime to release a toxin into the water supply?
Why shouldn't it be a felony?

The concept of "Toxin" has two components: Chemical, and dose. A fundamental concept of toxicity is that there is no toxicity if the concentration of a particular chemical does not exceed some threshold.

If you established a criteria of zero insecticide, or herbicide, or fertilizer runoff without taking into account the effect of concentration, you would be effectively banning them outright, decimating agriculture and our food supply.
Think of our air: You wouldn't directly breathe the exhaust of an automobile - yet hundreds of millions of them combined emit pollution that, at a global dose level, their harm is considered acceptable and even trivial relative to their benefit.

That's why these kinds of studies are done: To evaluate the risk of toxicity, and determine whether the costs outweigh the benefits. That is done before regulatory approval as well, but the issue needs to be revisited after the fact to ensure that the initial studies are correct, or that there aren't unintended effects.


Biological magnification is a biatch.
 
2013-05-02 10:07:27 PM

poodebunker: reklamfox: poodebunker: reklamfox:

What the heck is that?! *shivers*

House centipede. They're everywhere

I've never seen anything like that in my home, where do they hang out? I just want to be prepared so I dont think earth is under an alien attack.



Maybe they don't live in your climate. Here in Wisconsin, I've seen them pretty much my whole life, and like the other poster, I leave them alone when I see them.

You really don't see them very often, though. They're probably hanging out in whatever nooks and crannies where their prey lives. On the rare occasions you do see them they run surprisingly fast.
 
2013-05-02 10:26:13 PM

poodebunker: reklamfox: poodebunker: reklamfox:

What the heck is that?! *shivers*

House centipede. They're everywhere

I've never seen anything like that in my home, where do they hang out? I just want to be prepared so I dont think earth is under an alien attack.



Centipedes are big in Japan

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2013-05-02 10:30:15 PM
Even bigger in Vietnam

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2013-05-02 10:30:31 PM

phaseolus: poodebunker: reklamfox: poodebunker: reklamfox:

What the heck is that?! *shivers*

House centipede. They're everywhere

I've never seen anything like that in my home, where do they hang out? I just want to be prepared so I dont think earth is under an alien attack.


Maybe they don't live in your climate. Here in Wisconsin, I've seen them pretty much my whole life, and like the other poster, I leave them alone when I see them.

You really don't see them very often, though. They're probably hanging out in whatever nooks and crannies where their prey lives. On the rare occasions you do see them they run surprisingly fast.


I live in Las Vegas. We dont have flea problems etc...doesn't mean centipedes can't live here.
Anyway, if they rid our surroundings of other pests then I'm okay with that. Creepy looking though.
 
2013-05-02 10:39:24 PM
I hate you centepede people....
 
2013-05-02 11:30:59 PM

merkinpeeble: Ego edo infantia cattus: And Monsanto is killing off all the bees, whats your point subby?

Actually, it is Bayer and Syngenta in this case, and the imidicloprid fta is the same stuff that is doing it to the bees.

 The thing that baffles me is imidicloprid is so old that the patent ran out.  CCD is a recent development.  I thought Bayer came out with a new neonictinoid that was taking the blame for CCD.  I could be wrong.
Imidicloprid isn't a restricted pesticide in the US.  You can buy it off the shelf at any garden center or hardware store.

Also, FTA: "The extreme cases were all found close to greenhouses, in which imidacloprid is added to the water used to water the plants."My family has been in the greenhouse business for 30 years.  I've only been back for nearly two.  I do not recall EVER dropping imidacloprid into the water supply.  That seems rather bizarre as it would be costly.  I guess if you had a massive infestation it would make sense, but I've never seen it happen.  The only thing we've ever done via irrigation is BT to knock down fungus gnats.  BT is organic, not toxic to bees or fish, and has a very limited list of bugs it'll whack.

Granted, we're a little paranoid about pesticide usage.  When we got inspected for MAEAP verification (which is a Michigan thing for an environmentally friendly farm) the inspector was thrown off because we don't have anybody licensed for restricted pesticides.  We don't use them.  When he looked at my list of stuff we do use he scanned it, tossed it to the side, and said, "Ok, so nothing serious at all.  Holy crap.  This is IT?!"   Yep.
 
2013-05-03 12:01:38 AM

poodebunker: phaseolus: poodebunker: reklamfox: poodebunker: reklamfox:

What the heck is that?! *shivers*

House centipede. They're everywhere

I've never seen anything like that in my home, where do they hang out? I just want to be prepared so I dont think earth is under an alien attack.


Maybe they don't live in your climate. Here in Wisconsin, I've seen them pretty much my whole life, and like the other poster, I leave them alone when I see them.

You really don't see them very often, though. They're probably hanging out in whatever nooks and crannies where their prey lives. On the rare occasions you do see them they run surprisingly fast.

I live in Las Vegas. We dont have flea problems etc...doesn't mean centipedes can't live here.
Anyway, if they rid our surroundings of other pests then I'm okay with that. Creepy looking though.


This is living in the follicles of your eyelashes; sleep well!

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2013-05-03 12:12:58 AM

BarkingUnicorn: poodebunker: phaseolus: poodebunker: reklamfox: poodebunker: reklamfox:

What the heck is that?! *shivers*

House centipede. They're everywhere

I've never seen anything like that in my home, where do they hang out? I just want to be prepared so I dont think earth is under an alien attack.


Maybe they don't live in your climate. Here in Wisconsin, I've seen them pretty much my whole life, and like the other poster, I leave them alone when I see them.

You really don't see them very often, though. They're probably hanging out in whatever nooks and crannies where their prey lives. On the rare occasions you do see them they run surprisingly fast.

I live in Las Vegas. We dont have flea problems etc...doesn't mean centipedes can't live here.
Anyway, if they rid our surroundings of other pests then I'm okay with that. Creepy looking though.

This is living in the follicles of your eyelashes; sleep well!


I've seen that before, it doesn't freak me out. We humans have natural body critters that are beneficial to us...no biggie. It's the buster 'dbodycrabs, lice, scabies and other crap that do not belong on our persons that give me the heebee jeebees
 
2013-05-03 01:40:54 AM

earthworm2.0: I hate you centepede people....


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