Cathedralmaster: Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.
RexTalionis: ciberido: RexTalionis: ciberido: The man had a visa. That means that he has the permission of the government to be there, which in turn means that, as long as he obeys the law, he should be safe from incarceration. Assuming he didn't actually break any laws, then the government broke the promise to keep him safe and out of jail -- that promise came with the visa, as it does with every visa every government issues.Did you not read that he's a missionary who likes to sneak away and feed orphans and proselytize? You don't think the North Koreans would dislike that?Did you not read the part of my post where I said IF he actually broke one of the country's laws, and the charges are not trumped-up, then it's a different story?Great, but if he did break one of the country's laws and the charges are not trumped up, are you still calling me stupid, heartless and selfish?Because you called me stupid, heartless and selfish without any such qualification.
ciberido: the Just-World Fallacy, and in this case it's because you are a coward, and fear makes you cling to the fantasy that bad things only happen to foolish people. In reality, bad things happen to everybody, nobody's really safe, and your willingness to throw other people to the wolves to assuage your own fears makes you despicable.
Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War. The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.
Mellotiger: rosebud_the_sled: Anyone stupid enough to travel through NK thinking that it is without risk of some sort of random governmental action is a moron and deserves what they get. If they understand that it is with risk, well then, they should just accept it when the dice don't roll in their favor and their estimation of the risk was flawed.Good thing he's a Christian, because then he knows that God generally punishes the stupid, so he should be OK with his situation.Accepting the risk doesn't mean you automatically deserve whatever happens, it means you are ok with your chances and shouldn't be surprised when it goes to shiat. I mean, you accept the risk of wrecking every time you get in the car, does that mean every passenger ever deserves to die in a car wreck? Grow up, man.
Fark_Guy_Rob: I get that the US is welcoming of religious freedom and all that jazz....but North Korea isn't.The guy was not just 'some tourist' - he was doing missionary work. At the very least, he was going in, feeding the poor while attempting to convert them to his own religious beliefs (Christianity). Most other articles report that he was a tour-guide and made frequent trips into North Korea and violated their strict rules regarding tourism.I'm not saying North Korea is handling it in the best way; but come'on.....what do you expect. And before we get on our soap box about freedom and liberty - try to document the long lines and worker apathy at the DMV or any other US governmental building with your camera and see how fast you end up in jail.
bugmn99: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
RexTalionis: He ignored the warning label. We have no obligation to help him.
RoxtarRyan: Hey, because some asshats in our country do stupid shiat, I have to deal with dumb farking warning labels over every goddamn thing I buy stating the complete obvious (don't use toasters in the bathtub, don't let children play with plastic bags, etc. etc.). We look out for our own, prevent the dumb from doing dumb shiat, and when they do end up doing dumb shiat (and they always do), we back each other up to help each other out and maybe see what we can do to prevent it from happening again.
nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?
RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War. The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.
Why Would I Read the Article: Well, I mean...it says right there that his crimes were proved with evidence. Evidence!
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