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2013-05-02 01:20:45 PM
So which former President will we send to get this one released?
 
2013-05-02 02:17:06 PM
He's from my town, (Lynnwood) so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.
 
2013-05-02 02:18:06 PM
To be fair, hard labor is considered a vacation in Best Korea.
 
2013-05-02 02:22:23 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


They won't release him until he fixes their missiles and teaches them how to unfriend someone on facebook.
 
2013-05-02 02:23:39 PM
"Unspecified hostel acts against the state."

I guess he didn't bow deeply enough when one of his betters walked by.

/fark NK.
 
2013-05-02 02:23:40 PM
I prefer reading about this kind of crap in historic texts, not current events.   Good luck Mr Bae.
 
2013-05-02 02:24:07 PM
www.beldar.org
 
2013-05-02 02:25:54 PM
A guilty verdict was inevitable after another KCNA report Saturday claimed "he admitted that he committed crimes aimed to topple the DPRK with hostility toward it had the ever-loving shiat tortured out of him until he admitted whatever his captors wanted him to say to make it stop.  His crimes were proved by evidence because we said so."

fark that regime.  fark it long and fark it hard with a cactus covered in cayenne.
 
2013-05-02 02:26:00 PM
I think I saw this season of 24.
 
2013-05-02 02:26:13 PM
Anyone stupid enough to travel through NK thinking that it is without risk of some sort of random governmental action is a moron and deserves what they get.  If they understand that it is with risk, well then, they should just accept it when the dice don't roll in their favor and their estimation of the risk was flawed.

Good thing he's a Christian, because then he knows that God generally punishes the stupid, so he should be OK with his situation.
 
2013-05-02 02:26:51 PM
A guilty verdict was inevitable after another KCNA report Saturday claimed "he admitted that he committed crimes aimed to topple the DPRK with hostility toward it. His crimes were proved by evidence."

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Well, I mean...it says right there that his crimes were proved with evidence. Evidence!
 
2013-05-02 02:27:00 PM

Keeve: nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?

They won't release him until he fixes their missiles and teaches them how to unfriend someone on facebook.


And upgrade MS Paint.
 
2013-05-02 02:27:53 PM
Is there an over/under betting pool? I go with 7 months AND "treated me well".
 
2013-05-02 02:28:37 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


Reagan.  He's already on the west coast.
 
2013-05-02 02:28:41 PM

The_Sponge: He's from my town, (Lynnwood) so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.


images.amazon.com
 
2013-05-02 02:29:03 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Well, I mean...it says right there that his crimes were proved with evidence. Evidence!


They clearly learned from the FBI "investigation" into the Boston bombings.
 
2013-05-02 02:29:03 PM
Meh; I imagine that it's a bad time to be an American in Best Korea. They are probably looking for any excuse that they can use to get concessions.

/ I don't know why anyone would think going there would be a good idea
 
2013-05-02 02:30:14 PM
Tell them they can return our citizen or we can send a hellfire missile up Kims ass. And mean it.
 
2013-05-02 02:31:04 PM

probesport: The_Sponge: He's from my town, (Lynnwood) so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.

[images.amazon.com image 500x500]


Hahahahaha!

Of course, Lynwood, CA is a bad area in So Cal.....Lynnwood, WA is a Seattle suburb with a big ass mall, and plenty of massage parlors and bikini/lingerie latte stands.

/We're not called "Sinwood" for nothing.
 
2013-05-02 02:31:11 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


Trade Bush for him.
 
2013-05-02 02:32:01 PM

The_Sponge: probesport: The_Sponge: He's from my town, (Lynnwood) so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.

[images.amazon.com image 500x500]

Hahahahaha!

Of course, Lynwood, CA is a bad area in So Cal.....Lynnwood, WA is a Seattle suburb with a big ass mall, and plenty of massage parlors and bikini/lingerie latte stands.

/We're not called "Sinwood" for nothing.


ALDERWOOD MALL

CAN I GET A WUT WUT
 
2013-05-02 02:32:04 PM

mediablitz: Is there an over/under betting pool? I go with 7 months AND "treated me well".


3 months, and "hanged himself"
 
2013-05-02 02:32:09 PM
We shouldn't be trying to bail people out who are too stupid to understand not to go into North Korea.
 
2013-05-02 02:33:40 PM
We should just make a trade to get this guy back, Dennis Rodman ought to do nicely.
 
2013-05-02 02:35:22 PM
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
 
2013-05-02 02:37:19 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


We just need a bigger basketball player.
 
2013-05-02 02:38:22 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: "Unspecified hostel acts against the state."


It's disgusting what goes on in hostels.
 
2013-05-02 02:38:52 PM
Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.
 
2013-05-02 02:43:03 PM

Forced Perspective: Why Would I Read the Article: Well, I mean...it says right there that his crimes were proved with evidence. Evidence!

They clearly learned from the FBI "investigation" into the Boston bombings.


tell us more since you know the real truth?
 
2013-05-02 02:43:41 PM
Don't we still have one Kriss Kross available?
 
2013-05-02 02:45:02 PM

Corvus: We shouldn't be trying to bail people out who are too stupid to understand not to go into North Korea.


My kneejerk reaction as well. Why in the hell would anyone go to North Korea as a "tourist or tour operator?"
 
2013-05-02 02:45:07 PM

Cathedralmaster: Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.


How about we just send you.

/Soldiers have been through enough the last 10 years.
 
2013-05-02 02:45:16 PM
I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.
 
2013-05-02 02:45:34 PM
Is he related to anyone famous or is he connected to anyone of importance?  If not, it will suck to be him.
 
2013-05-02 02:45:57 PM
For the life of me, I don't understand why any American, South Korean, or Japanese person would enter NK controlled territory.  Their bullshiat and willingness to imprison or shoot non-North Koreans for no reason is very well documented.
 
2013-05-02 02:46:19 PM
Fittingly enough, subby, the charge, though unspecified publicly, was "being American" and the sentence is to be Korean.  It has a very Clockwork Orange ring to it.
 
2013-05-02 02:47:13 PM
I wish NK would come imprison the Jehovah's Witnesses who keep knocking at my door.

Come back and I shall taunt you a third time!
 
2013-05-02 02:47:27 PM
I wonder how long before Dennis Rodman's phone is ringing
 
2013-05-02 02:47:51 PM
Why the hell would anyone willingly go to North Korea? Reminds me of the moronic hikers that the Iranians nabbed.

/dnrtfa
 
2013-05-02 02:48:37 PM
I get that the US is welcoming of religious freedom and all that jazz....but North Korea isn't.

The guy was not just 'some tourist' - he was doing missionary work.  At the very least, he was going in, feeding the poor while attempting to convert them to his own religious beliefs (Christianity).  Most other articles report that he was a tour-guide and made frequent trips into North Korea and violated their strict rules regarding tourism.

I'm not saying North Korea is handling it in the best way; but come'on.....what do you expect.  And before we get on our soap box about freedom and liberty - try to document the long lines and worker apathy at the DMV or any other US governmental building with your camera and see how fast you end up in jail.
 
2013-05-02 02:48:44 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The_Sponge: probesport: The_Sponge: He's from my town, (Lynnwood) so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.

[images.amazon.com image 500x500]

Hahahahaha!

Of course, Lynwood, CA is a bad area in So Cal.....Lynnwood, WA is a Seattle suburb with a big ass mall, and plenty of massage parlors and bikini/lingerie latte stands.

/We're not called "Sinwood" for nothing.

ALDERWOOD MALL

CAN I GET A WUT WUT



WUT WUT!
 
2013-05-02 02:48:47 PM
0.tqn.com
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts
 
2013-05-02 02:49:15 PM

SirHolo: I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.


The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory  until 1963, well after the Korean War.
 
2013-05-02 02:50:56 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: "Unspecified hostel acts against the state."


They only have hostel acts because they never finished their hotel.

{{ducks}}
 
2013-05-02 02:51:38 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


Rodman seems to have some sway. Let's send him
 
2013-05-02 02:52:01 PM

Wizzin: Why the hell would anyone willingly go to North Korea? Reminds me of the moronic hikers that the Iranians nabbed.

/dnrtfa


to spy
 
2013-05-02 02:53:07 PM

hardinparamedic: The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory until 1963, well after the Korean War.


That's why it was so valuable!

/duh
 
2013-05-02 02:56:37 PM
Came for Baesplosions.

/Leaving dissatisfied
 
2013-05-02 02:57:17 PM

WelldeadLink: Don't we still have one Kriss Kross available?


we only have one left, and you have to save him until level 8-4 at the main boss character.
 
2013-05-02 02:57:58 PM
My view of this is that if you are stupid enough to put yourself in danger by ignoring a travel advisory from the State Department so you can do something really stupid in a state that is hostile to us, then the rest of us aren't going to go and rescue you when your ass is raked across the coals.
 
2013-05-02 02:58:40 PM

FatherChaos: mediablitz: Is there an over/under betting pool? I go with 7 months AND "treated me well".

3 months, and "hanged himself"


It depends on if he's able to adapt. The North Korean gulags are INCREDIBLY harsh. Forced labor dosn't mean breaking rocks or working in a chain gang. It means crawling through a freezing, dark, poorly constructed coal mine without basic safety procautions, on a starvation diet, constantly hounded by trigger happy, abusive guards. Since he's a foreigner though, he may get relatively better treatment so he doesn't die. Given that this is North Korea, I doubt that.
 
2013-05-02 02:59:35 PM
I'm sure it was a fair trial /s

Government-Controlled Judiciary

North Korea's judiciary is neither transparent nor independent. All personnel involved in the judiciary-including judges, prosecutors, lawyers, court clerks, and jury members-are appointed and tightly controlled by the ruling Workers' Party of Korea. In cases designated as political crimes, suspects are not even sent through a nominal judicial process; after interrogation they are either executed or sent to a forced labor camp, often with their entire families.

Is it weird that the familial, collective punishment part bugs me the most.
 
2013-05-02 02:59:59 PM
If only he hadn't voluntarily gone to, farkING NORTH KOREA.
 
2013-05-02 03:01:19 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


In 2009, it took three of them. This one, I hate to say it, but I don't know if he's coming back at all.
 
2013-05-02 03:01:37 PM
I just finished reading Escape from Camp 14.  There was some truly horrific shiat in that book.  I don't guess you've ever really been hungry until you've eaten something and then thrown it up so you can eat it again in an attempt to trick your body into feeling full.
 
2013-05-02 03:04:43 PM

neversubmit: I'm sure it was a fair trial /s

Government-Controlled Judiciary

North Korea's judiciary is neither transparent nor independent. All personnel involved in the judiciary-including judges, prosecutors, lawyers, court clerks, and jury members-are appointed and tightly controlled by the ruling Workers' Party of Korea. In cases designated as political crimes, suspects are not even sent through a nominal judicial process; after interrogation they are either executed or sent to a forced labor camp, often with their entire families.

Is it weird that the familial, collective punishment part bugs me the most.


No, that's basic human dignity and morality.
 
2013-05-02 03:06:22 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


Cheney
 
2013-05-02 03:07:30 PM

iheartscotch: Meh; I imagine that it's a bad time to be an American in Best Korea. They are probably looking for any excuse that they can use to get concessions.

/ I don't know why anyone would think going there would be a good idea


I imagine this is one of the people that just happened to be in the area when the shiat went down. There are people who have business near the border and they go because, well, someone has to in order to keep tabs on them and smuggle cell phones in and smuggle refugees out. They're not just automatically idiots.
 
2013-05-02 03:07:51 PM

johnny_vegas: hardinparamedic: The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory until 1963, well after the Korean War.

That's why it was so valuable!

/duh


oh yeah, that one got a hearty chuckle. damn!
 
2013-05-02 03:09:11 PM
Sorry guy. You're not white enough to get a diplomatic mission.
 
2013-05-02 03:11:09 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?

Cheney


the dark lord of the sith already controls best korea,
 
2013-05-02 03:12:19 PM

you are a puppet: [0.tqn.com image 498x359]
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts


That's not a picture of people who payed to see that movie...
 
2013-05-02 03:15:18 PM
I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.
 
2013-05-02 03:16:21 PM

hardinparamedic: well after the Korean War


The Korean War hasn't ended yet.

/ducks
 
2013-05-02 03:17:16 PM

Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.


Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?
 
2013-05-02 03:18:12 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?


Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.
 
2013-05-02 03:18:57 PM
Someone's butthurt that we stopped paying attention to his tantrums...

nekom: So which former basketball player will we send to get this one released?


FTFY
 
2013-05-02 03:19:11 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?


Because the North Korean government has been asking for it.
 
2013-05-02 03:19:13 PM

Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.


So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.
 
2013-05-02 03:19:40 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?

Cheney


Ooh, a trade? Because that would be sweet.
 
2013-05-02 03:19:48 PM

neversubmit: Because the North Korean government has been asking for it.


All the more reason not to give one to them.
 
2013-05-02 03:20:05 PM
North Korea better get ready for uncle Sam to open a can of whoop-ass because we aren't goin- Wait he looks Korean...

What else is on TV

/most ppl in my office after seeing his pic media.katu.com
 
2013-05-02 03:21:27 PM

JesusJuice: Tell them they can return our citizen or we can send a hellfire missile up Kims ass. And mean it.


so you want to kill hundreds, or thousands, because one dumbass wandered into a country he shouldn't be in?

/oh, okay.
 
2013-05-02 03:21:43 PM

RexTalionis: So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.


He's still a US citizen. Regardless of why he's there, he's a US citizen, and we his countrymen are obligated as such to get him out. We don't leave men behind.
 
2013-05-02 03:22:18 PM
Will he at least get three square meals consisting of fresh snow coffee and yummy birds?
 
2013-05-02 03:23:18 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.

So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.


This, we can't let any idiot drag us into situations.

The best we should do is send an envoy and ask nicely.
 
2013-05-02 03:23:34 PM

Cathedralmaster: Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-05-02 03:24:28 PM
I knew their "opening borders for tourists" shtick was a trap...
 
2013-05-02 03:25:55 PM

Gosling: RexTalionis: So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.

He's still a US citizen. Regardless of why he's there, he's a US citizen, and we his countrymen are obligated as such to get him out. We don't leave men behind.


You mean like the thousand or so Vietnam POWs that we've left in the jungle after that conflict ended?
 
2013-05-02 03:26:15 PM
calendar>>>May 1. 2013 Juch 102Unhasu Concert Given to Mark May DayPyongyang, May 1 (KCNA) -- The Unhasu concert was given at the People's Theatre here to Mark the May Day.

Among the audience were Kim Yong Nam, Yang Hyong Sop, Ri Yong Mu, Kang Sok Ju, O Kuk Ryol, Kwak Pom Gi and Ro Tu Chol, and vice-premiers, labor innovators and other people of industrial establishments in Pyongyang.

The concert began with the National Anthem amid the boundless reverence for the great Generalissimos Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

The repertoires included mixed chorus "May, Month of Victory", male solo "Chollima Gallops Forward" and male sextet "Are We Living Like in Those Days?"

The performers sang high praises of undying feats of the peerlessly great persons who built a socialist power independent in politics, self-supporting in economy and self-reliant in national defence and made the working people enjoy a worthwhile life as the masters of the power possessed of nuclear weapons and satellites by arousing their tremendous mental power and unity.

Put on the stage were numbers reflecting patriotism and loyalty of the working people of the DPRK who have adorned annals of victory of socialism while always sharing the destiny of the party, holding the great leaders in high esteem.
 
2013-05-02 03:26:35 PM

Gosling: We don't leave men behind.


I think that's the Marine Corps.
 
2013-05-02 03:29:38 PM
 
2013-05-02 03:29:51 PM

hardinparamedic: SirHolo: I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.

The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory  until 1963, well after the Korean War.


I saw the same show. He didnt defect during the war. It was 63 or 64 when he did. Got sick of his job along the dmz and was still fuming over a divorce or some shiat.

shows on youtube if ya wanna watch it
 
2013-05-02 03:30:34 PM

hardinparamedic: SirHolo: I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.

The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory  until 1963, well after the Korean War.


My bad.  His issue rifle is what he brought, whatever it was.
 
2013-05-02 03:30:53 PM
How sad is it that we can't even consider sending W Bush or Cheney over there? Clinton will have to take time away from his very important NGO to once again deal with this, all because we can't trust the guy whose biggest project this week are more self portraits to get it done.

And they'd probably just arrest Dick and turn him over to The Hague.

America!
 
2013-05-02 03:34:03 PM

Corvus: We shouldn't be trying to bail people out who are too stupid to understand not to go into North Korea.


This. When you travel to a foreign nation you are subject to them. Unless you're a diplomat you're screwed.
 
2013-05-02 03:34:41 PM
Kenneth Bae, 44, from Washington state, had been detained since November after entering the country's northeast as either a tourist or tour operator.

I'm calling bullshiat right here.
 
2013-05-02 03:37:48 PM
He's going to be leveraged for the US and South Korea to ease up on their big meanie bullying and sent to the US after something is achieved.  I doubt he'll be exposed to much hard labor, if any.  The level of his offense will be apparent by the number and degree of concessions made.  I'm going to guess NK is claiming he was caught doing intelligence-like things.  We'll see.
 
2013-05-02 03:38:09 PM

Cathedralmaster: Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.


Getting them killed in NK won't help anyone but NK.
 
2013-05-02 03:38:27 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: you are a puppet: [0.tqn.com image 498x359]
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts

That's not a picture of people who payed to see that movie...


Yes, it's a picture of people of who paid to see that movie.

/spelling NORK
 
2013-05-02 03:42:14 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: [www.beldar.org image 500x252]


Doubt it.
 
2013-05-02 03:42:22 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.

So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.


Hey, because some asshats in our country do stupid shiat, I have to deal with dumb farking warning labels over every goddamn thing I buy stating the complete obvious (don't use toasters in the bathtub, don't let children play with plastic bags, etc. etc.). We look out for our own, prevent the dumb from doing dumb shiat, and when they do end up doing dumb shiat (and they always do), we back each other up to help each other out and maybe see what we can do to prevent it from happening again. You can't pick and choose which of your people have rights and protections provided by the government and who don't. Someone who goes and tries to murder a child-raping psychopath has the same protections offered to him as a nun does. If either of them fark up, hey, we do what we can to help them out, because that is what we farking do. We are happy to do it for people we like, and we suck it up for people who "deserve it". We stand as one, with the brilliant scientists and leaders, and scumbag shiatheads.

Period.
 
2013-05-02 03:44:22 PM

peterthx: The All-Powerful Atheismo: you are a puppet: [0.tqn.com image 498x359]
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts

That's not a picture of people who payed to see that movie...

Yes, it's a picture of people of who paid to see that movie.

/spelling NORK


I horked that one up real good.
 
2013-05-02 03:45:08 PM

peterthx: The All-Powerful Atheismo: you are a puppet: [0.tqn.com image 498x359]
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts

That's not a picture of people who payed to see that movie...

Yes, it's a picture of people of who paid to see that movie.

/spelling NORK


And why is his spelling wrong?  His spelling is perfectly correct but the usage is incorrect.

Payed is used only when you're talking about slackening something like a line or rope.  So, if these people actually slackened the ropes while waiting to pay for their tickets, well, perhaps that's what he or she meant.

/But probably not.
 
2013-05-02 03:46:13 PM

JesusJuice: Tell them they can return our citizen or we can send a hellfire missile up Kims ass. And mean it.


Or better yet, we could tell them that they can keep him and do whatever the fark they want with him. If you want to travel through shiatholes like NK or Iran, or do something retarded like attempt to sail around the world on an innertube then you deserve whatever happens to you.
 
2013-05-02 03:50:32 PM
Is there any possibility this guy is a spook?
 
2013-05-02 03:51:16 PM
He will probably be forced to listen North Korean Kpop.
 
2013-05-02 03:51:20 PM
If anyone who has lived in or been raised in North Korea wants to chime in here, I'm all ears.  Otherwise, you morans are all relying on media reports of what CNN wants you to believe.
 
2013-05-02 03:52:30 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?

 how about Ford
images.defensetech.org
 
2013-05-02 03:55:42 PM

SirHolo: hardinparamedic: SirHolo: I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.

The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory  until 1963, well after the Korean War.

My bad.  His issue rifle is what he brought, whatever it was.


Probably an M1 Garand.
 
2013-05-02 03:56:25 PM

RoxtarRyan: Hey, because some asshats in our country do stupid shiat, I have to deal with dumb farking warning labels over every goddamn thing I buy stating the complete obvious (don't use toasters in the bathtub, don't let children play with plastic bags, etc. etc.). We look out for our own, prevent the dumb from doing dumb shiat, and when they do end up doing dumb shiat (and they always do), we back each other up to help each other out and maybe see what we can do to prevent it from happening again.


He got his warning label. There's a damn travel advisory from the Secretary of State that says:

"The Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens about travel to North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or DPRK). Travel by U.S. citizens to North Korea is not routine, and U.S. citizens crossing into North Korea, even accidentally, have been subject to arbitrary arrest and long-term detention. Since January 2009, four U.S. citizens have been arrested for entering North Korea illegally, and two U.S. citizens who entered on valid DPRK visas were arrested inside North Korea on other charges. This replaces the Travel Warning issued for North Korea on September 11, 2012, and it reminds U.S. citizens about the serious risks involved in traveling to the DPRK.
...
Foreign visitors to North Korea may be arrested, detained, or expelled for activities that would not be considered criminal outside North Korea, including involvement in unsanctioned religious and/or political activities (whether those activities took place inside or outside North Korea), unauthorized travel, or unauthorized interaction with the local population. North Korean security personnel may regard as espionage unauthorized or unescorted travel inside North Korea and unauthorized attempts to speak directly to North Korean citizens. North Korean authorities may fine or arrest travelers for exchanging currency with an unauthorized vendor, for taking unauthorized photographs, or for shopping at stores not designated for foreigners. It is a criminal act in North Korea to show disrespect to the country's former leaders, Kim Jong Il and Kim Il Sung, or to the current leader, Kim Jong Un.
...
Since the United States does not maintain diplomatic or consular relations with North Korea, the U.S. government has no means to provide normal consular services to U.S. citizens in North Korea. The Embassy of Sweden, the U.S. Protecting Power in the DPRK capital of Pyongyang, provides limited consular services to U.S. citizens traveling in North Korea who are ill, injured, arrested, or who have died while there. The U.S.-DPRK Interim Consular Agreement provides that North Korea will notify the Embassy of Sweden within four days of an arrest or detention of a U.S. citizen and will allow consular visits by the Swedish Embassy within two days after a request is made. However, the DPRK government routinely delays or denies consular access. "

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_5907.html

He ignored the warning label. We have no obligation to help him.
 
2013-05-02 03:59:30 PM

FatherChaos: mediablitz: Is there an over/under betting pool? I go with 7 months AND "treated me well".

3 months, and "hanged himself"


6 weeks, and became dinner.
 
2013-05-02 04:02:05 PM
RexTalionis:

Maybe China can help.
 
2013-05-02 04:02:18 PM
Clinton would go if it was for a hot young chick.
 
2013-05-02 04:06:10 PM

RoxtarRyan: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.

So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.

Hey, because some asshats in our country do stupid shiat, I have to deal with dumb farking warning labels over every goddamn thing I buy stating the complete obvious (don't use toasters in the bathtub, don't let children play with plastic bags, etc. etc.). We look out for our own, prevent the dumb from doing dumb shiat, and when they do end up doing dumb shiat (and they always do), we back each other up to help each other out and maybe see what we can do to prevent it from happening again. You can't pick and choose which of your people have rights and protections provided by the government and who don't. Someone who goes and tries to murder a child-raping psychopath has the same protections offered to him as a nun does. If either of them fark up, hey, we do what we can to help them out, because that is what we farking do. We are happy to do it for people we like, and we suck it up for people who "deserve it". We stand as one, with the brilliant scientists and leaders, and scumbag shiatheads.

Period.


Cue the 'they knew the risks. Let 'em crash' guy. Seriously, let the CIA get their own guy back.
 
2013-05-02 04:07:46 PM

RexTalionis: He ignored the warning label. We have no obligation to help him.


Well, I unfortunately disagree with the Dept. of State, then. I find it bullshiat that, yes, even though someone will be dumb enough to wander there, we throw up our hands and refuse to do anything for our citizens, letting them sit in Best Korea for years in hard labor lockup. But, a lot of shiat about the way our government runs pisses me the hell off, so that really isn't any different than how I feel any other day of the week.
 
2013-05-02 04:12:26 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: How sad is it that we can't even consider sending W Bush or Cheney over there?



Maybe because of the whole "Axis of Evil" comments.  Whether you agree with that statement or not that would be my bet
 
2013-05-02 04:18:18 PM
I personally prefer to stay away from countries who have a seething hatred of the US. Peace, love and helping mankind aside, it's too easy to have that kind of work viewed by "The State" as a crime. Which in Best Korea, might just be seen that way since they like to keep their people starved, stupid and utterly paranoid.

I'm a little bit skeptical about visiting certain countries that don't utterly hate us because of the way they dole out punishment in response to breaking laws, even though I'm pretty law abiding (as far as US laws are concerned).

As far as Best Korea goes, faaaaark that man. No thanks.
 
2013-05-02 04:23:03 PM
Reports are he was arrested after taking photographs of children in poor living conditions.
 
2013-05-02 04:23:31 PM

imashark: Is there any possibility this guy is a spook?


There is some really low-hanging fruit here, and I'm tempted to take it... But I shouldn't... Dammit, fine, I will.

No, he appears to be a slope.
 
2013-05-02 04:25:09 PM

AgentBang: I personally prefer to stay away from countries who have a seething hatred of the US. Peace, love and helping mankind aside, it's too easy to have that kind of work viewed by "The State" as a crime. Which in Best Korea, might just be seen that way since they like to keep their people starved, stupid and utterly paranoid.

I'm a little bit skeptical about visiting certain countries that don't utterly hate us because of the way they dole out punishment in response to breaking laws, even though I'm pretty law abiding (as far as US laws are concerned).

As far as Best Korea goes, faaaaark that man. No thanks.


You sound like someone who has never left the United States.
 
2013-05-02 04:28:10 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


We'll just send Dennis Rodman back.
 
2013-05-02 04:31:07 PM

Gonz: No, he appears to be a slope.


I shouldn't laugh, but I'd like a aisle seat, please.
 
2013-05-02 04:31:32 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


President Rodman.
 
2013-05-02 04:35:35 PM

RoxtarRyan: Well, I unfortunately disagree with the Dept. of State, then. I find it bullshiat that, yes, even though someone will be dumb enough to wander there, we throw up our hands and refuse to do anything for our citizens, letting them sit in Best Korea for years in hard labor lockup. But, a lot of shiat about the way our government runs pisses me the hell off, so that really isn't any different than how I feel any other day of the week.


Well, then you go and rescue him.

The rest of us don't think it's a worthwhile expenditure of our money or political capital.
 
2013-05-02 04:37:35 PM
This is such a joke. The US not only has deplorable prison conditions, they offer nothing in the form of deterrents for future crimes that even comes close to 15 years of hard labor. Not to mention that they have an awful habit of falsely imprisoning their own citizens - nevermind the countless foreign citizens they are holding illegally.
 
2013-05-02 04:41:09 PM
..as for my personal feelings on the matter, no special envoys this time. That would fly in the face of what we've been trying to accomplish this current tantrum.

As I see it, best case scenario is he is released through normal diplomatic means. Worst case, we unfortunately have to abandon him. Heck, even a special forces extraction would be preferable to capitulation in the form of sending anyone remotely high profile as an envoy.
 
2013-05-02 04:41:47 PM

KarmicDisaster: To be fair, hard labor is considered a vacation in Best Korea.


Pushing the empty carts is the closest thing they get to sleep.
 
2013-05-02 04:42:30 PM
RexTalionis: He got his warning label. There's a damn travel advisory from the Secretary of State that says:


The article says that he entered the DPRK either as a tourist or tour operator.  Meaning, atleast based on this article, he didn't sneak in, but rather applied through their system to come in legally.  Further the article mentions that he came in prior times with no problems.

It is also probable based on our past history with the DPRK that the arrest is based on some trumped up charge so they can have another political hostage.  "Spying" is probably anything under the sun in North Korea.  It's not like he's being charged with smuggling drugs or murder.

As for a travel advisory, so what?  The US has travel advisories on lots of countries that Americans visit for business.  BFD.  I used to do quite a bit of business travel, and if the state I was visiting decided to detain me, I sure as hell would like my govt to atleast take some bare minimum interest in my welfare.

It is one of the functions of our state department (and diplomatic services abroad) AND I DO pay taxes as a citizen, as this guy I assume is, so I'm not so sure why exactly you are peachy keen on abandoning a US citizen abroad.
 
2013-05-02 04:45:58 PM
I read his crime was taking pics of starving kids. Best Korea frowns on things like that.

He'll be traded back, probably just for having an important person visit and ask nicely.

As for the war mongers, you'd have better luck taking over that country with reliable food rations. Hungry people follow the guy who can feed them.
 
2013-05-02 04:46:01 PM
I have always wanted to travel to North Korea.  I find the whole idea of their world fascinating.  Obviously I would never go under the current rhetoric, but before boy-wonder took over a year ago it seemed to be at least feasible...  Now, none so much.
 
2013-05-02 04:46:48 PM

SirEattonHogg: As for a travel advisory, so what?  The US has travel advisories on lots of countries that Americans visit for business.  BFD.  I used to do quite a bit of business travel, and if the state I was visiting decided to detain me, I sure as hell would like my govt to atleast take some bare minimum interest in my welfare.

It is one of the functions of our state department (and diplomatic services abroad) AND I DO pay taxes as a citizen, as this guy I assume is, so I'm not so sure why exactly you are peachy keen on abandoning a US citizen abroad.


The problem here, however, is that this happens to be a country we don't have diplomatic relations with.
 
2013-05-02 04:47:21 PM
Can't we send Dennis Rodman back to play nice and see if we can get him home?
 
2013-05-02 04:48:00 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Fittingly enough, subby, the charge, though unspecified publicly, was "being American" and the sentence is to be Korean.  It has a very Clockwork Orange ring to it.



static.tvfanatic.com
Robot Mayor: Your Honor, I intend to demonstrate beyond 0.5% of a doubt that these humans before us are guilty of the crime of being humans. Come to think of it, I rest my case
 
2013-05-02 04:48:40 PM

Private_Citizen: He'll be traded back, probably just for having an important person visit and ask nicely.


No. Absolutey the worst thing we could do this time.
 
2013-05-02 04:50:47 PM

RoxtarRyan: Gonz: No, he appears to be a slope.

I shouldn't laugh, but I'd like a aisle seat, please.


Me too. Geez.
 
2013-05-02 04:51:02 PM

The Bestest: Private_Citizen: He'll be traded back, probably just for having an important person visit and ask nicely.

No. Absolutey the worst thing we could do this time.


Perhaps, perhaps not. But I still think it's the most likey outcome.
 
2013-05-02 04:52:29 PM
Likely.
(Ftfm)
 
2013-05-02 04:54:46 PM

SirEattonHogg: The article says that he entered the DPRK either as a tourist or tour operator. Meaning, atleast based on this article, he didn't sneak in, but rather applied through their system to come in legally.


From The Independent:

North Korea's state media and the US government have released little information on Bae, but his friends, colleagues and South Korean activists specialising in North Korean affairs said he is a Christian missionary based in a Chinese border town who frequently made trips to North Korea to feed orphans there.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-to-put-amer ic an-tour-operator-kenneth-bae-on-trial-for-trying-to-overthrow-the-gove rnment-8590882.html

Even if he entered the country legally, no sane person would think that this would not prompt the North Koreans to arrest you if you did this.
 
2013-05-02 04:55:13 PM

The Bestest: Private_Citizen: He'll be traded back, probably just for having an important person visit and ask nicely.

No. Absolutey the worst thing we could do this time.


I agree. They'll get nothing and like it.
 
2013-05-02 04:56:48 PM

RexTalionis: RoxtarRyan: Hey, because some asshats in our country do stupid shiat, I have to deal with dumb farking warning labels over every goddamn thing I buy stating the complete obvious (don't use toasters in the bathtub, don't let children play with plastic bags, etc. etc.). We look out for our own, prevent the dumb from doing dumb shiat, and when they do end up doing dumb shiat (and they always do), we back each other up to help each other out and maybe see what we can do to prevent it from happening again.

He got his warning label. There's a damn travel advisory from the Secretary of State that says:

"The Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens about travel to North Korea (Democratic People's Republic of Korea, or DPRK). Travel by U.S. citizens to North Korea is not routine, and U.S. citizens crossing into North Korea, even accidentally, have been subject to arbitrary arrest and long-term detention. Since January 2009, four U.S. citizens have been arrested for entering North Korea illegally, and two U.S. citizens who entered on valid DPRK visas were arrested inside North Korea on other charges. This replaces the Travel Warning issued for North Korea on September 11, 2012, and it reminds U.S. citizens about the serious risks involved in traveling to the DPRK.
...
Foreign visitors to North Korea may be arrested, detained, or expelled for activities that would not be considered criminal outside North Korea, including involvement in unsanctioned religious and/or political activities (whether those activities took place inside or outside North Korea), unauthorized travel, or unauthorized interaction with the local population. North Korean security personnel may regard as espionage unauthorized or unescorted travel inside North Korea and unauthorized attempts to speak directly to North Korean citizens. North Korean authorities may fine or arrest travelers for exchanging currency with an unauthorized vendor, for taking unauthorized photographs, or for shopping at ...


When I was in Korea (Near Seoul) I went up on a day trip to the DMZ. We had to sign a waiver basicly saying "If you do anything stupid and cause the Norks to snatch you across the boarder, you're on your farking own because we're not coming to save your sorry ass" They made it abundently clear we were not to talk to them, wave, gesture (you know how) or even look at them if we could help it.
 
2013-05-02 04:58:03 PM

RexTalionis: SirEattonHogg: The article says that he entered the DPRK either as a tourist or tour operator. Meaning, atleast based on this article, he didn't sneak in, but rather applied through their system to come in legally.

From The Independent:

North Korea's state media and the US government have released little information on Bae, but his friends, colleagues and South Korean activists specialising in North Korean affairs said he is a Christian missionary based in a Chinese border town who frequently made trips to North Korea to feed orphans there.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-to-put-amer ic an-tour-operator-kenneth-bae-on-trial-for-trying-to-overthrow-the-gove rnment-8590882.html

Even if he entered the country legally, no sane person would think that this would not prompt the North Koreans to arrest you if you did this.


No sane regime would arrest someone for it.  Or tacitly allow for something like this to happen on its border.
 
2013-05-02 04:59:24 PM

MNguy: RexTalionis: SirEattonHogg: The article says that he entered the DPRK either as a tourist or tour operator. Meaning, atleast based on this article, he didn't sneak in, but rather applied through their system to come in legally.

From The Independent:

North Korea's state media and the US government have released little information on Bae, but his friends, colleagues and South Korean activists specialising in North Korean affairs said he is a Christian missionary based in a Chinese border town who frequently made trips to North Korea to feed orphans there.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-to-put-amer ic an-tour-operator-kenneth-bae-on-trial-for-trying-to-overthrow-the-gove rnment-8590882.html

Even if he entered the country legally, no sane person would think that this would not prompt the North Koreans to arrest you if you did this.

No sane regime would arrest someone for it.  Or tacitly allow for something like this to happen on its border.


Congratulations. I think we've found the crux of the problem.
 
2013-05-02 05:06:42 PM
img856.imageshack.us
Well...   ...Bae!
 
2013-05-02 05:06:45 PM

RexTalionis: MNguy: RexTalionis: SirEattonHogg: The article says that he entered the DPRK either as a tourist or tour operator. Meaning, atleast based on this article, he didn't sneak in, but rather applied through their system to come in legally.

From The Independent:

North Korea's state media and the US government have released little information on Bae, but his friends, colleagues and South Korean activists specialising in North Korean affairs said he is a Christian missionary based in a Chinese border town who frequently made trips to North Korea to feed orphans there.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-to-put-amer ic an-tour-operator-kenneth-bae-on-trial-for-trying-to-overthrow-the-gove rnment-8590882.html

Even if he entered the country legally, no sane person would think that this would not prompt the North Koreans to arrest you if you did this.

No sane regime would arrest someone for it.  Or tacitly allow for something like this to happen on its border.

Congratulations. I think we've found the crux of the problem.


Yes, and this should not be news to anyone.
 
2013-05-02 05:14:53 PM

Hassan Ben Sobr: [img856.imageshack.us image 300x170]
Well...   ...Bae!


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

/I chuckled
 
2013-05-02 05:21:15 PM

MNguy: If anyone who has lived in or been raised in North Korea wants to chime in here, I'm all ears.  Otherwise, you morans are all relying on media reports of what CNN wants you to believe.


MNguy: You sound like someone who has never left the United States.


www.metalinsider.net
 
2013-05-02 05:28:27 PM

Hassan Ben Sobr: [img856.imageshack.us image 300x170]
Well...   ...Bae!


renocatholicproject.files.wordpress.com

epics.ecn.purdue.edu
 
2013-05-02 06:02:46 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Anyone stupid enough to travel through NK thinking that it is without risk of some sort of random governmental action is a moron and deserves what they get.  If they understand that it is with risk, well then, they should just accept it when the dice don't roll in their favor and their estimation of the risk was flawed.

Good thing he's a Christian, because then he knows that God generally punishes the stupid, so he should be OK with his situation.


Well, you seem like a delight.
 
2013-05-02 06:11:56 PM
Send in Rambo??
 
2013-05-02 06:30:08 PM

MythDragon: When I was in Korea (Near Seoul) I went up on a day trip to the DMZ. We had to sign a waiver basicly saying "If you do anything stupid and cause the Norks to snatch you across the boarder, you're on your farking own because we're not coming to save your sorry ass" They made it abundently clear we were not to talk to them, wave, gesture (you know how) or even look at them if we could help it.


Ah, yeah. I remember that waiver from when I took the tour back in '83. The whole DMZ area was pretty creepy, and serious business all around. And it appears that tradition of US/South Korean troops holding hands (when opening the Norks entrance to the "International Talks Room"  to prevent being pulled over into North Korea is still going strong.
fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net

I kinda regret that I didn't take the opportunity on the tour to go stand on that side of the room so I could later say that "I have been in North Korea."
 
2013-05-02 06:32:14 PM

RoxtarRyan: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.

So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.

Hey, because some asshats in our country do stupid shiat, I have to deal with dumb farking warning labels over every goddamn thing I buy stating the complete obvious (don't use toasters in the bathtub, don't let children play with plastic bags, etc. etc.). We look out for our own, prevent the dumb from doing dumb shiat, and when they do end up doing dumb shiat (and they always do), we back each other up to help each other out and maybe see what we can do to prevent it from happening again. You can't pick and choose which of your people have rights and protections provided by the government and who don't. Someone who goes and tries to murder a child-raping psychopath has the same protections offered to him as a nun does. If either of them fark up, hey, we do what we can to help them out, because that is what we farking do. We are happy to do it for people we like, and we suck it up for people who "deserve it". We stand as one, with the brilliant scientists and leaders, and scumbag shiatheads.

Period.


Bottom line is your dad should not have been doing missionary work in NK when repeatedly told not to.
 
2013-05-02 06:48:12 PM

Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.


We are already technically at war with them. Are you suggesting we invade? Here's your M-16. You go first.
 
2013-05-02 06:50:03 PM

MNguy: If anyone who has lived in or been raised in North Korea wants to chime in here, I'm all ears.  Otherwise, you morans are all relying on media reports of what CNN wants you to believe.


Says the guy who thinks that Beijing's pollution is no worse than LA's.

North Koreans boil tree bark to make soup and claim one of their former leaders rode a unicorn. Give it up.
 
2013-05-02 06:51:53 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Cathedralmaster: Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.

How about we just send you.

/Soldiers have been through enough the last 10 years.


Especially our soldiers in the Marine Core.
 
2013-05-02 06:56:39 PM

WelldeadLink: Don't we still have one Kriss Kross available?


I hate you. And I hate myself for knowing that
 
2013-05-02 06:57:52 PM

RoxtarRyan: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.

So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.

Hey, because some asshats in our country do stupid shiat, I have to deal with dumb farking warning labels over every goddamn thing I buy stating the complete obvious (don't use toasters in the bathtub, don't let children play with plastic bags, etc. etc.). We look out for our own, prevent the dumb from doing dumb shiat, and when they do end up doing dumb shiat (and they always do), we back each other up to help each other out and maybe see what we can do to prevent it from happening again. You can't pick and choose which of your people have rights and protections provided by the government and who don't. Someone who goes and tries to murder a child-raping psychopath has the same protections offered to him as a nun does. If either of them fark up, hey, we do what we can to help them out, because that is what we farking do. We are happy to do it for people we like, and we suck it up for people who "deserve it". We stand as one, with the brilliant scientists and leaders, and scumbag shiatheads.

Period.


We certainly can pick and choose who has rights and protections. The person who leaves our country is no longer protected by our country. It is really, really simple. If you go into a foreign country and commit a crime, it doesn't matter whether you are American or not. Sure, we might have an ambassador try to help you out, but that's it. Marrying a 12 year old girl is legal in some middle-east countries, but if a visitor to our country tried to consummate that marriage here in the U.S would you be happy with his country sending commandos over here to pull him out of jail? Would you be happy if their ambassador talked us into letting him go back to his own country?
No.

He went to THEIR country and broke THEIR laws. It is extraordinarily simple.

Also, I don't think we should protect the stupid by putting a label on peanuts saying they might contain peanuts. And the guy who goes to murder a child-rapist does NOT have the same protections as a nun, since he is committing a crime.
 
2013-05-02 06:58:24 PM

umad: JesusJuice: Tell them they can return our citizen or we can send a hellfire missile up Kims ass. And mean it.

Or better yet, we could tell them that they can keep him and do whatever the fark they want with him. If you want to travel through shiatholes like NK or Iran, or do something retarded like attempt to sail around the world on an innertube then you deserve whatever happens to you.


Yep.
 
2013-05-02 07:11:52 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Cathedralmaster: Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.

How about we just send you.

/Soldiers have been through enough the last 10 years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHhZF66C1Dc
 
2013-05-02 07:20:52 PM

FraggleStickCar: rosebud_the_sled: Anyone stupid enough to travel through NK thinking that it is without risk of some sort of random governmental action is a moron and deserves what they get.  If they understand that it is with risk, well then, they should just accept it when the dice don't roll in their favor and their estimation of the risk was flawed.

Good thing he's a Christian, because then he knows that God generally punishes the stupid, so he should be OK with his situation.

Well, you seem like a delight.


People who speak the unvarnished truth are often not a blast at parties.
 
2013-05-02 07:23:12 PM

horsepocket: He went to THEIR country and broke THEIR laws. It is extraordinarily simple.


We constantly work with countries where people have gotten into trouble overseas, or at the very least, ensure that their trial is at least fair and just for all parties, and this goes for for people who are visiting here, as well as our own who are abroad. The fact that for too many years we have let this country stomp their feet, call us the devil, threaten the world with attacks, and all we've done is give them more food and more aid to shut them up while they continue to pull bullshiat "justice" on everyone else is the world is farking dumb. This shiat pisses me off. Our country spends hundreds of billions of dollars and thousand of lives of soldiers going after make believe WMDs when these assholes actually have them, threaten to use them, and the only we we respond to NK to damn near anything is "hey guys, we'll give you LESS food next time!", and really? That is going to fix their shiat?

This goes beyond just having them give countless US and UN citizens years or decades of hard labor for taking pictures or talking to locals, this is about a country that just so goddamn backwards that I really wish a world power would just man up and tell NK to put on their big boy pants. Don't want to play along with the rest of the world when it comes to human rights, or be a responsible member of the countries who are nuclear powers, or enjoy trade with all the other countries? Then fark you. No more aid, no more money, no more giving you tons of free shiat so you stop your bellyaching and threatening to blow up other countries for a few weeks. Want to dance? Roll up your sleeves, or STFU and pick up the program that the rest of the civilized world is on and earn your place.
 
2013-05-02 07:24:06 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Anyone stupid enough to travel through NK thinking that it is without risk of some sort of random governmental action is a moron and deserves what they get.  If they understand that it is with risk, well then, they should just accept it when the dice don't roll in their favor and their estimation of the risk was flawed.

Good thing he's a Christian, because then he knows that God generally punishes the stupid, so he should be OK with his situation.


Accepting the risk doesn't mean you automatically deserve whatever happens, it means you are ok with your chances and shouldn't be surprised when it goes to shiat. I mean, you accept the risk of wrecking every time you get in the car, does that mean every passenger ever deserves to die in a car wreck? Grow up, man.
 
2013-05-02 07:27:57 PM

bugmn99: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.


Don't do the time if they can't prove the crime.
 
2013-05-02 07:32:07 PM

SirHolo: I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.


I'm sure he is living quite well, a former american defector is an invaluable propaganda piece. And even if he regrets it, its not like they'll let him leave now, so he may as well live it up.
 
2013-05-02 07:32:57 PM
The United States on Thursday demanded North Korea grant amnesty and release a Korean-American sentenced to 15 years

Showing yet again how serious Zero is taken on the international stage.
 
2013-05-02 07:40:31 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I get that the US is welcoming of religious freedom and all that jazz....but North Korea isn't.

The guy was not just 'some tourist' - he was doing missionary work.  At the very least, he was going in, feeding the poor while attempting to convert them to his own religious beliefs (Christianity).  Most other articles report that he was a tour-guide and made frequent trips into North Korea and violated their strict rules regarding tourism.

I'm not saying North Korea is handling it in the best way; but come'on.....what do you expect.  And before we get on our soap box about freedom and liberty - try to document the long lines and worker apathy at the DMV or any other US governmental building with your camera and see how fast you end up in jail.


To those who say he deserves it just for being dumb enough to go there, I say "up yours". On the other hand, if what you say is true and he did break laws, habitually, then yeah, he deserves whatever reasonable (for n.korea) punishment he gets.

More info on the charges and evidence would be nice.
 
2013-05-02 07:45:17 PM

Mellotiger: Accepting the risk doesn't mean you automatically deserve whatever happens, it means you are ok with your chances and shouldn't be surprised when it goes to shiat. I mean, you accept the risk of wrecking every time you get in the car, does that mean every passenger ever deserves to die in a car wreck? Grow up, man.


Everything has consequences, some are more obvious than others.  I take absolute credit for all of my decisions, good or bad.  Does that make me a child because I accept that every adult - including myself - must take responsibility for their actions?  Are you from some alternate reality where there are no repercussions for your actions?

Let's say I put a blindfold on and start slamming the table with a hammer in front of me that I am holding onto with my other hand.  After repeated whacks, I strike my hand, smashing it.  In your world, would an adult blame everyone else except for themselves?  Is it 100% certainty that I would smash my hand?  No.  Is it likely?  Yes.  If I got away with hitting the table with the hammer without hurting myself any indicator that I would never hurt myself in the future?

Going into NK at this time has roughly the same probability of something weird happening as the hammer slamming example.  I have no sympathy for him.  I do have sympathy for anyone emotionally dependent upon him; however, he would have the greatest responsibility for them.
 
2013-05-02 07:46:12 PM
Some places in the world an American can be kidnapped by thugs to extort a ransom.
Some places in the world an American can be kidnapped by religious thugs to be murdered.
Some places in the world an American can be kidnapped by government thugs and sentenced to 15 years for being an American.
The only difference is the thugs agenda.
 
2013-05-02 07:50:00 PM

OnlyM3: The United States on Thursday demanded North Korea grant amnesty and release a Korean-American sentenced to 15 years


Well, that settles that.
 
2013-05-02 07:58:12 PM

TrollingForColumbine: nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?
 how about Ford
[images.defensetech.org image 440x286]


Go all out and send George Washington.

www.maritimequest.com
 
2013-05-02 07:58:37 PM
Mellotiger:   I'm sure he is living quite well, a former american defector is an invaluable propaganda piece. And even if he regrets it, its not like they'll let him leave now, so he may as well live it up.

He is living in Pyongyang, which is supposed to be a privilege and as someone noted previously,  he does look well fed.  Otherwise, any person in the US with a remotely middle class life easily has better standards of living than him.  No access to internet and Western media (movies, TV, books).  No trips anywhere.  Sounds like loads of fun.

Watch the film - I think it's on Youtube.
 
2013-05-02 08:05:43 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


President Rodman.
 
2013-05-02 08:08:15 PM

Mellotiger: rosebud_the_sled: Anyone stupid enough to travel through NK thinking that it is without risk of some sort of random governmental action is a moron and deserves what they get.  If they understand that it is with risk, well then, they should just accept it when the dice don't roll in their favor and their estimation of the risk was flawed.

Good thing he's a Christian, because then he knows that God generally punishes the stupid, so he should be OK with his situation.

Accepting the risk doesn't mean you automatically deserve whatever happens, it means you are ok with your chances and shouldn't be surprised when it goes to shiat. I mean, you accept the risk of wrecking every time you get in the car, does that mean every passenger ever deserves to die in a car wreck? Grow up, man.


Yeah, people saying he deserves this are idiots. All signs point to it being an extraordinarily sever punishment for the crime.

Now, whether he deserves extraordinary action to protect him is much more debatable and I would lean towards, no. The question should be where to draw the line between ignoring the affair and invading the country. This person probably deserves a lot more help than the reporters that snuck into the country, but the cost of the much help is different today.

As for people saying that sending an envoy is the worst case, I would say that the idea of sending troops in to break this guy out is much, much worse. It provides a massive propaganda coup for North Korea and everyone else against the US even if successful and will be an utter disaster for the US if it fails, the US will face screams about violating another country's sovereignty either way, and it puts a high chance that Americans (both soldiers and the individual) will be injured or killed. Plus the risk of it blowing up into a renewed Korean War is fairly high once shooting starts.

As with the car accident example, you understand the risks of your actions and deal with the consequences, whether they are deserved or not.
 
2013-05-02 08:10:18 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Mellotiger: Accepting the risk doesn't mean you automatically deserve whatever happens, it means you are ok with your chances and shouldn't be surprised when it goes to shiat. I mean, you accept the risk of wrecking every time you get in the car, does that mean every passenger ever deserves to die in a car wreck? Grow up, man.

Everything has consequences, some are more obvious than others.  I take absolute credit for all of my decisions, good or bad.  Does that make me a child because I accept that every adult - including myself - must take responsibility for their actions?  Are you from some alternate reality where there are no repercussions for your actions?

Let's say I put a blindfold on and start slamming the table with a hammer in front of me that I am holding onto with my other hand.  After repeated whacks, I strike my hand, smashing it.  In your world, would an adult blame everyone else except for themselves?  Is it 100% certainty that I would smash my hand?  No.  Is it likely?  Yes.  If I got away with hitting the table with the hammer without hurting myself any indicator that I would never hurt myself in the future?

Going into NK at this time has roughly the same probability of something weird happening as the hammer slamming example.  I have no sympathy for him.  I do have sympathy for anyone emotionally dependent upon him; however, he would have the greatest responsibility for them.


You misunderstand me, apparently. I'm not saying people shouldn't have repercussions based upon, or otherwise be held responsible for, their actions. I believe everyone should claim full responsibility for all of their actions, period. but claiming responsibility doesn't mean one DESERVES the outcome, necessarily. I thought my analogy about car crashes illustrated this quite nicely, but I guess it was lost on you. Lets try another. Lets say two people were having a discussion on the internet, and one said "you shut up or you'll regret it" and then the other does not comply, thereby accepting the risk of the aforementioned "regret". Then the first guy, who made the threat, burns down the second guys house. Does the second guy deserve it?
 
2013-05-02 08:34:17 PM

dywed88: This person probably deserves a lot more help than the reporters that snuck into the country, but the cost of the much help is different today.


That's the key issue here. Jong-Il's machinations were usually calculated; part of a cat-and-mouse we were used to, and with the understanding that they (DPRK) wouldn't do certain things. Sending Clinton was with the hope not only of getting the reporters released, but that it would open the way to more positive dialogue.

This time is much different. The Syrian "red line" may be getting all the talking points lately, but North Korea had one too, and they crossed it with the nuclear test in February. That act was met with a "alright, step too far, show's over, Junior. No more bribes", but North Korea only responded to that by being even more belligerent in the hopes that threats amped up to unprecedented levels would get what they want... which is why....

dywed88: As for people saying that sending an envoy is the worst case,


..that's the worst case. It would be rewarding the brinksmanship. Now, I'm not saying sending in SEALs is a -good- option; it's an awful one, and we may as well go full-scale at that point; I said that to emphasize my point on how bad an idea sending another envoy would be.
 
2013-05-02 08:58:04 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Anyone stupid enough to travel through NK thinking that it is without risk of some sort of random governmental action is a moron and deserves what they get.


This is essentially the Just-World Fallacy, and in this case it's because you are a coward, and fear makes you cling to the fantasy that bad things only happen to foolish people.  In reality, bad things happen to everybody, nobody's really safe, and your willingness to throw other people to the wolves to assuage your own fears makes you despicable.
 
2013-05-02 09:14:00 PM

SirEattonHogg: He is living in Pyongyang, which is supposed to be a privilege and as someone noted previously, he does look well fed. Otherwise, any person in the US with a remotely middle class life easily has better standards of living than him. No access to internet and Western media (movies, TV, books). No trips anywhere. Sounds like loads of fun.


Actually, dude has access to twitter. No am I not making this up.

https://twitter.com/JamesDresnok

He's not very active though. From what I understand he's in pretty poor health these days, not surprising since he didn't look that good in the documentary which was filmed 7 or 8 years ago now.
 
2013-05-02 09:39:02 PM

TV's Vinnie: Sorry guy. You're not white enough to get a diplomatic mission.


if it were a hot Asian chick with a nice ass, Fartbongo might be interested in diplomacy as well.
 
2013-05-02 09:46:49 PM

Gosling: RexTalionis: So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.

He's still a US citizen. Regardless of why he's there, he's a US citizen, and we his countrymen are obligated as such to get him out. We don't leave men behind.


People arrested for breaking the laws of foreign countries while abroad? Sure we do.  As a tourist (or missionary, or whatever) you don't have diplomatic immunity.

Of course this is NK and there's various politics going on so it might be different, but just as a general rule, yes, Americans can (and do!) serve long prison sentences in foreign countries if they break laws.

SirEattonHogg: RexTalionis: He got his warning label. There's a damn travel advisory from the Secretary of State that says:


The article says that he entered the DPRK either as a tourist or tour operator.  Meaning, atleast based on this article, he didn't sneak in, but rather applied through their system to come in legally.  Further the article mentions that he came in prior times with no problems.

It is also probable based on our past history with the DPRK that the arrest is based on some trumped up charge so they can have another political hostage.  "Spying" is probably anything under the sun in North Korea.  It's not like he's being charged with smuggling drugs or murder.

As for a travel advisory, so what?  The US has travel advisories on lots of countries that Americans visit for business.  BFD.  I used to do quite a bit of business travel, and if the state I was visiting decided to detain me, I sure as hell would like my govt to atleast take some bare minimum interest in my welfare.

It is one of the functions of our state department (and diplomatic services abroad) AND I DO pay taxes as a citizen, as this guy I assume is, so I'm not so sure why exactly you are peachy keen on abandoning a US citizen abroad.


The embassy can help you get a translator. They can sometimes get you some legal assistance. But if you break a foreign law, you're going to trial in that country, the same exact way that the US expects foreigners who commit crimes inside the border to do prison time here.  Just as other countries have no say in what US law is (hint: plenty of them think "consipiracy" charges are complete bullshiat but we still imprison various of their citizens for it) the US has no say in the other direction.

It could be trumped up charges this guy is facing, and probably there will be help in that regard. But if he did break some law, even if it's a law the US thinks is horrendous, well...  and if he IS a missionary of some sort, he probably is in real trouble.

Hell, even members of the MILITARY can find themselves serving sentences abroad, with the full knowledge and cooperation of the US government, if they broke the laws and the status of forces agreement. Far too many people learn that the hard way.

Personally I suspect that NK hopes that they'll get some negotiation out of this, I would not be surprised if some well-known but very much NOT state actor (so, maybe Rodman again?) ends up doing something "unofficially," but.
 
2013-05-02 10:10:29 PM

ciberido: rosebud_the_sled: Anyone stupid enough to travel through NK thinking that it is without risk of some sort of random governmental action is a moron and deserves what they get.

This is essentially the Just-World Fallacy, and in this case it's because you are a coward, and fear makes you cling to the fantasy that bad things only happen to foolish people.  In reality, bad things happen to everybody, nobody's really safe, and your willingness to throw other people to the wolves to assuage your own fears makes you despicable.


Bad things happened to this guy because he was foolish. NK has a long, and easily researched history of this sort of thing.
 
2013-05-02 10:21:17 PM
Let him rot.  If you are stupid enough to go to a place like North Korea you deserve everything that happens to you.  Seriously, some places you just should not visit.
 
2013-05-02 10:32:18 PM

Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why any American, South Korean, or Japanese person would enter NK controlled territory.  Their bullshiat and willingness to imprison or shoot non-North Koreans for no reason is very well documented.


My guess is this guy went there to spread the Gospel. Even if you admonished the risks that he took, you have to at  least respect his convictions and courage for doing what he really believed in. I'm sure he felt that the average North Korean has never heard of the bible and God's salvation and was doing his part to bring spread the good news even if it meant his life was at stake.
 
2013-05-02 10:35:57 PM
Maybe after we fix...

This
This
And maybe most of all this

Then we can judge.
 
2013-05-02 10:37:45 PM

banandar123: Maybe after we fix...

This
This
And maybe most of all this

Then we can judge.


And yeah, I'm ready for the flaming. BRING IT ON *activates outrage-shield*
 
2013-05-02 10:43:22 PM

Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.


If N.Korea were blatantly holding the man hostage, yes.  But since they claim he is a criminal and they have evidence that proves his crimes, it's a different situation.  The USA can't go invade every country that holds a US citizen in prison for breaking that country's laws.   And if the guy really was breaking North Korea's laws, even if they're stupid laws, we have to respect N.Korea's sovereignty.

That said, I feel your outrage, and the situation sucks.
 
2013-05-02 11:02:04 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.

So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.


It's not just that you're heartless and selfish, it's that you're stupid as well.

The man had a visa.  That means that he has the permission of the government to be there, which in turn means that, as long as he obeys the law, he should be safe from incarceration.  Assuming he didn't actually break any laws, then the government broke the promise to keep him safe and out of jail -- that promise came with the visa, as it does with every visa every government issues.

Giving someone a visa and then arresting them on trumped-up charges is like inviting someone into your home, murdering them, and claiming it was self-defense.  And you trying to argue that he deserved what he got is like arguing that a rape victim "deserved" to get raped because she wore a short skirt.  In other words, patheticillogic used to justify completely reprehensible acts.

But, to be clear, this depends greatly on what laws, if any, he REALLY violated, and right now neither you nor I know that --- which also speaks badly for you.
 
2013-05-02 11:19:00 PM

horsepocket: We certainly can pick and choose who has rights and protections. The person who leaves our country is no longer protected by our country. It is really, really simple.


Yes.   It's absolutely 100% WRONG, but your derp does have the virtue of being simple.
 
2013-05-02 11:20:29 PM

jso2897: FraggleStickCar: Well, you seem like a delight.

People who speak think that their opinions are  the unvarnished truth are often not a blast at parties.


FTFY.
 
2013-05-02 11:26:06 PM

ciberido: The man had a visa. That means that he has the permission of the government to be there, which in turn means that, as long as he obeys the law, he should be safe from incarceration. Assuming he didn't actually break any laws, then the government broke the promise to keep him safe and out of jail -- that promise came with the visa, as it does with every visa every government issues.


Did you not read that he's a missionary who likes to sneak away and feed orphans and proselytize? You don't think the North Koreans would dislike that?
 
2013-05-02 11:31:36 PM

RexTalionis: ciberido: The man had a visa. That means that he has the permission of the government to be there, which in turn means that, as long as he obeys the law, he should be safe from incarceration. Assuming he didn't actually break any laws, then the government broke the promise to keep him safe and out of jail -- that promise came with the visa, as it does with every visa every government issues.

Did you not read that he's a missionary who likes to sneak away and feed orphans and proselytize? You don't think the North Koreans would dislike that?


Did you not read the part of my post where I said IF he actually broke one of the country's laws, and the charges are not trumped-up, then it's a different story?
 
2013-05-02 11:35:15 PM

ciberido: RexTalionis: ciberido: The man had a visa. That means that he has the permission of the government to be there, which in turn means that, as long as he obeys the law, he should be safe from incarceration. Assuming he didn't actually break any laws, then the government broke the promise to keep him safe and out of jail -- that promise came with the visa, as it does with every visa every government issues.

Did you not read that he's a missionary who likes to sneak away and feed orphans and proselytize? You don't think the North Koreans would dislike that?

Did you not read the part of my post where I said IF he actually broke one of the country's laws, and the charges are not trumped-up, then it's a different story?


Great, but if he did break one of the country's laws and the charges are not trumped up, are you still calling me stupid, heartless and selfish?

Because you called me stupid, heartless and selfish without any such qualification.
 
2013-05-02 11:54:09 PM

Mellotiger: You misunderstand me, apparently. I'm not saying people shouldn't have repercussions based upon, or otherwise be held responsible for, their actions. I believe everyone should claim full responsibility for all of their actions, period. but claiming responsibility doesn't mean one DESERVES the outcome, necessarily. I thought my analogy about car crashes illustrated this quite nicely, but I guess it was lost on you. Lets try another. Lets say two people were having a discussion on the internet, and one said "you shut up or you'll regret it" and then the other does not comply, thereby accepting the risk of the aforementioned "regret". Then the first guy, who made the threat, burns down the second guys house. Does the second guy deserve it?


Yes.  Particularly if that individual did not prepare for contingencies.  Life sucks, doesn't it.  There is no God, there is just us f**king each other over.

I understood the car crash example.  I realize that I take a risk in everything I do, regardless of how mundane.  I also realize that I accept those risks.  When bad things happen to me, I accept my hand in those events through whatever path I took.  I don't dwell on it.

Having backpacked through much of the third world, many bad things attempted to happen to me.  I dealt with them.  I accepted that I put myself in the place where those things could occur, but I also prepared myself so that I would have the greatest likelihood of achieving success.  I would have also accepted the fact that a negative outcome could have occurred.

Such is life.
 
2013-05-02 11:58:17 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why any American, South Korean, or Japanese person would enter NK controlled territory.  Their bullshiat and willingness to imprison or shoot non-North Koreans for no reason is very well documented.

My guess is this guy went there to spread the Gospel. Even if you admonished the risks that he took, you have to at  least respect his convictions and courage for doing what he really believed in. I'm sure he felt that the average North Korean has never heard of the bible and God's salvation and was doing his part to bring spread the good news even if it meant his life was at stake.


I wish all the proselytizers would follow him there.
 
2013-05-03 12:07:49 AM

ciberido: the Just-World Fallacy, and in this case it's because you are a coward, and fear makes you cling to the fantasy that bad things only happen to foolish people. In reality, bad things happen to everybody, nobody's really safe, and your willingness to throw other people to the wolves to assuage your own fears makes you despicable.


Bad things occur.  So?  We all f**king die.  So?  I was dead before I was alive, I will be dead after I'm alive.  I didn't care then, I won't care in the future.  Is there any fairness?  No.  Fairness is our own illusion devised to go along with our desire for order in the cosmos.  No fairness.  No badness.  No goodness on a cosmic scale, only what is.  All of those "reality" concepts are your own relativistic perceptions creating pointless order.

Will bad things happen to me in the future.  Absolutely.  Should I be surprised that they will?  Nope.  Will I take responsibility for my existence?  Yes.  Lord, I hate whiners.

This guy made the same decision that people who think it's a good idea to smuggle drugs into some ountries where there are signs up saying "Death to drug smugglers!."  They get caught.  They get shot.  It is their choice to have the bullet travel through their brain by their actions.  It was his choice to go to NK.  His alone.  If he did not know the potential consequences, he is an ignorant f**k and deserves it.  If he did know the potential consequences, then he is not an ignorant f**k and deserves it.  Either way, the bottom line is the same.  You willing take chances, you should accept the result, regardless of what that result is.
 
2013-05-03 12:11:30 AM

rosebud_the_sled: Mellotiger: You misunderstand me, apparently. I'm not saying people shouldn't have repercussions based upon, or otherwise be held responsible for, their actions. I believe everyone should claim full responsibility for all of their actions, period. but claiming responsibility doesn't mean one DESERVES the outcome, necessarily. I thought my analogy about car crashes illustrated this quite nicely, but I guess it was lost on you. Lets try another. Lets say two people were having a discussion on the internet, and one said "you shut up or you'll regret it" and then the other does not comply, thereby accepting the risk of the aforementioned "regret". Then the first guy, who made the threat, burns down the second guys house. Does the second guy deserve it?

Yes.  Particularly if that individual did not prepare for contingencies.  Life sucks, doesn't it.  There is no God, there is just us f**king each other over.

I understood the car crash example.  I realize that I take a risk in everything I do, regardless of how mundane.  I also realize that I accept those risks.  When bad things happen to me, I accept my hand in those events through whatever path I took.  I don't dwell on it.

Having backpacked through much of the third world, many bad things attempted to happen to me.  I dealt with them.  I accepted that I put myself in the place where those things could occur, but I also prepared myself so that I would have the greatest likelihood of achieving success.  I would have also accepted the fact that a negative outcome could have occurred.

Such is life.


Well at least your committed to being a prick and its not just passive. The next time someone you care about gets hurt or killed, remember: they deserved it. Carry on.
 
2013-05-03 12:56:17 AM

Evil High Priest: SuperNinjaToad: Satanic_Hamster: For the life of me, I don't understand why any American, South Korean, or Japanese person would enter NK controlled territory.  Their bullshiat and willingness to imprison or shoot non-North Koreans for no reason is very well documented.

My guess is this guy went there to spread the Gospel. Even if you admonished the risks that he took, you have to at  least respect his convictions and courage for doing what he really believed in. I'm sure he felt that the average North Korean has never heard of the bible and God's salvation and was doing his part to bring spread the good news even if it meant his life was at stake.

I wish all the proselytizers would follow him there.


Your handle is most appopriate then, heathen.
 
2013-05-03 01:15:53 AM

Mellotiger: bugmn99: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Don't do the time if they can't prove the crime.


Don't dis the sign if you can't pay the fine.

Ha, catch me if you can

midnight rider
 
2013-05-03 09:00:33 AM

dywed88: the US will face screams about violating another country's sovereignty either way


Maybe, just maybe, this is because the only "sovereignty" we ever recognize is our own.
 
2013-05-03 11:26:04 AM

banandar123: Maybe after we fix...

This
This
And maybe most of all

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law

I was in an anger management class (for dubious reasons), and there was a guy there who had been arrested for hitting his girlfriend, and got two DUIs while on, uh, probation you'd call it.  This is in CA.

He only had to wear an ankle-thing, and to live in a rehab house with a bunch of bulemic teen girls.

Seems to me he was a prime three-strikes-you're-in-jail candidate, the type the law was designed to get.  (Not stealing-a-candybar third offense.)  But no, rich whitey, somehow avoids it after three serious crimes.
 
2013-05-03 11:40:29 AM
see i told you, nobody is hungry in North Korea
 
2013-05-03 12:42:20 PM

RexTalionis: ciberido: RexTalionis: ciberido: The man had a visa. That means that he has the permission of the government to be there, which in turn means that, as long as he obeys the law, he should be safe from incarceration. Assuming he didn't actually break any laws, then the government broke the promise to keep him safe and out of jail -- that promise came with the visa, as it does with every visa every government issues.

Did you not read that he's a missionary who likes to sneak away and feed orphans and proselytize? You don't think the North Koreans would dislike that?

Did you not read the part of my post where I said IF he actually broke one of the country's laws, and the charges are not trumped-up, then it's a different story?

Great, but if he did break one of the country's laws and the charges are not trumped up, are you still calling me stupid, heartless and selfish?

Because you called me stupid, heartless and selfish without any such qualification.


I'm still calling you heartless if your attitude is "he broke the law, let him rot," yes. Even if you are correct about every factual assertion and assumption, your attitude in this posts paints you as the sort of person who doesn't care about other human beings, and that makes me lose respect for you.
 
2013-05-03 01:05:02 PM

ciberido: and that makes me lose respect for you.


Yeah, I don't care about that.
 
2013-05-03 03:02:04 PM

RexTalionis: ciberido: and that makes me lose respect for you.

Yeah, I don't care about that.


He walked right into that one.
 
2013-05-03 03:38:38 PM

rosebud_the_sled: Having backpacked through much of the third world, many bad things attempted to happen to me. I dealt with them.


I'm tagging you as "lying ITG".

Thanks for the laugh.
 
2013-05-03 04:07:20 PM

RexTalionis: Great, but if he did break one of the country's laws and the charges are not trumped up, are you still calling me stupid, heartless and selfish?


This is North Korea. I can goddamn guarantee you the charges are trumped up. 'Hostile acts' in North Korea-speak basically means 'existing while American and we'll tell you what you're going to admit to doing later, once we've interrogated you for a couple weeks. Court comes only after we've gotten your admission and then because you admitted to it in writing, we're going to throw the book at you'.
 
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