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2013-05-02 02:58:40 PM

FatherChaos: mediablitz: Is there an over/under betting pool? I go with 7 months AND "treated me well".

3 months, and "hanged himself"


It depends on if he's able to adapt. The North Korean gulags are INCREDIBLY harsh. Forced labor dosn't mean breaking rocks or working in a chain gang. It means crawling through a freezing, dark, poorly constructed coal mine without basic safety procautions, on a starvation diet, constantly hounded by trigger happy, abusive guards. Since he's a foreigner though, he may get relatively better treatment so he doesn't die. Given that this is North Korea, I doubt that.
 
2013-05-02 02:59:35 PM
I'm sure it was a fair trial /s

Government-Controlled Judiciary

North Korea's judiciary is neither transparent nor independent. All personnel involved in the judiciary-including judges, prosecutors, lawyers, court clerks, and jury members-are appointed and tightly controlled by the ruling Workers' Party of Korea. In cases designated as political crimes, suspects are not even sent through a nominal judicial process; after interrogation they are either executed or sent to a forced labor camp, often with their entire families.

Is it weird that the familial, collective punishment part bugs me the most.
 
2013-05-02 02:59:59 PM
If only he hadn't voluntarily gone to, farkING NORTH KOREA.
 
2013-05-02 03:01:19 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


In 2009, it took three of them. This one, I hate to say it, but I don't know if he's coming back at all.
 
2013-05-02 03:01:37 PM
I just finished reading Escape from Camp 14.  There was some truly horrific shiat in that book.  I don't guess you've ever really been hungry until you've eaten something and then thrown it up so you can eat it again in an attempt to trick your body into feeling full.
 
2013-05-02 03:04:43 PM

neversubmit: I'm sure it was a fair trial /s

Government-Controlled Judiciary

North Korea's judiciary is neither transparent nor independent. All personnel involved in the judiciary-including judges, prosecutors, lawyers, court clerks, and jury members-are appointed and tightly controlled by the ruling Workers' Party of Korea. In cases designated as political crimes, suspects are not even sent through a nominal judicial process; after interrogation they are either executed or sent to a forced labor camp, often with their entire families.

Is it weird that the familial, collective punishment part bugs me the most.


No, that's basic human dignity and morality.
 
2013-05-02 03:06:22 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?


Cheney
 
2013-05-02 03:07:30 PM

iheartscotch: Meh; I imagine that it's a bad time to be an American in Best Korea. They are probably looking for any excuse that they can use to get concessions.

/ I don't know why anyone would think going there would be a good idea


I imagine this is one of the people that just happened to be in the area when the shiat went down. There are people who have business near the border and they go because, well, someone has to in order to keep tabs on them and smuggle cell phones in and smuggle refugees out. They're not just automatically idiots.
 
2013-05-02 03:07:51 PM

johnny_vegas: hardinparamedic: The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory until 1963, well after the Korean War.

That's why it was so valuable!

/duh


oh yeah, that one got a hearty chuckle. damn!
 
2013-05-02 03:09:11 PM
Sorry guy. You're not white enough to get a diplomatic mission.
 
2013-05-02 03:11:09 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?

Cheney


the dark lord of the sith already controls best korea,
 
2013-05-02 03:12:19 PM

you are a puppet: [0.tqn.com image 498x359]
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts


That's not a picture of people who payed to see that movie...
 
2013-05-02 03:15:18 PM
I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.
 
2013-05-02 03:16:21 PM

hardinparamedic: well after the Korean War


The Korean War hasn't ended yet.

/ducks
 
2013-05-02 03:17:16 PM

Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.


Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?
 
2013-05-02 03:18:12 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?


Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.
 
2013-05-02 03:18:57 PM
Someone's butthurt that we stopped paying attention to his tantrums...

nekom: So which former basketball player will we send to get this one released?


FTFY
 
2013-05-02 03:19:11 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?


Because the North Korean government has been asking for it.
 
2013-05-02 03:19:13 PM

Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.


So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.
 
2013-05-02 03:19:40 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?

Cheney


Ooh, a trade? Because that would be sweet.
 
2013-05-02 03:19:48 PM

neversubmit: Because the North Korean government has been asking for it.


All the more reason not to give one to them.
 
2013-05-02 03:20:05 PM
North Korea better get ready for uncle Sam to open a can of whoop-ass because we aren't goin- Wait he looks Korean...

What else is on TV

/most ppl in my office after seeing his pic media.katu.com
 
2013-05-02 03:21:27 PM

JesusJuice: Tell them they can return our citizen or we can send a hellfire missile up Kims ass. And mean it.


so you want to kill hundreds, or thousands, because one dumbass wandered into a country he shouldn't be in?

/oh, okay.
 
2013-05-02 03:21:43 PM

RexTalionis: So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.


He's still a US citizen. Regardless of why he's there, he's a US citizen, and we his countrymen are obligated as such to get him out. We don't leave men behind.
 
2013-05-02 03:22:18 PM
Will he at least get three square meals consisting of fresh snow coffee and yummy birds?
 
2013-05-02 03:23:18 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.

So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.


This, we can't let any idiot drag us into situations.

The best we should do is send an envoy and ask nicely.
 
2013-05-02 03:23:34 PM

Cathedralmaster: Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-05-02 03:24:28 PM
I knew their "opening borders for tourists" shtick was a trap...
 
2013-05-02 03:25:55 PM

Gosling: RexTalionis: So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.

He's still a US citizen. Regardless of why he's there, he's a US citizen, and we his countrymen are obligated as such to get him out. We don't leave men behind.


You mean like the thousand or so Vietnam POWs that we've left in the jungle after that conflict ended?
 
2013-05-02 03:26:15 PM
calendar>>>May 1. 2013 Juch 102Unhasu Concert Given to Mark May DayPyongyang, May 1 (KCNA) -- The Unhasu concert was given at the People's Theatre here to Mark the May Day.

Among the audience were Kim Yong Nam, Yang Hyong Sop, Ri Yong Mu, Kang Sok Ju, O Kuk Ryol, Kwak Pom Gi and Ro Tu Chol, and vice-premiers, labor innovators and other people of industrial establishments in Pyongyang.

The concert began with the National Anthem amid the boundless reverence for the great Generalissimos Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

The repertoires included mixed chorus "May, Month of Victory", male solo "Chollima Gallops Forward" and male sextet "Are We Living Like in Those Days?"

The performers sang high praises of undying feats of the peerlessly great persons who built a socialist power independent in politics, self-supporting in economy and self-reliant in national defence and made the working people enjoy a worthwhile life as the masters of the power possessed of nuclear weapons and satellites by arousing their tremendous mental power and unity.

Put on the stage were numbers reflecting patriotism and loyalty of the working people of the DPRK who have adorned annals of victory of socialism while always sharing the destiny of the party, holding the great leaders in high esteem.
 
2013-05-02 03:26:35 PM

Gosling: We don't leave men behind.


I think that's the Marine Corps.
 
2013-05-02 03:29:38 PM
 
2013-05-02 03:29:51 PM

hardinparamedic: SirHolo: I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.

The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory  until 1963, well after the Korean War.


I saw the same show. He didnt defect during the war. It was 63 or 64 when he did. Got sick of his job along the dmz and was still fuming over a divorce or some shiat.

shows on youtube if ya wanna watch it
 
2013-05-02 03:30:34 PM

hardinparamedic: SirHolo: I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.

The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory  until 1963, well after the Korean War.


My bad.  His issue rifle is what he brought, whatever it was.
 
2013-05-02 03:30:53 PM
How sad is it that we can't even consider sending W Bush or Cheney over there? Clinton will have to take time away from his very important NGO to once again deal with this, all because we can't trust the guy whose biggest project this week are more self portraits to get it done.

And they'd probably just arrest Dick and turn him over to The Hague.

America!
 
2013-05-02 03:34:03 PM

Corvus: We shouldn't be trying to bail people out who are too stupid to understand not to go into North Korea.


This. When you travel to a foreign nation you are subject to them. Unless you're a diplomat you're screwed.
 
2013-05-02 03:34:41 PM
Kenneth Bae, 44, from Washington state, had been detained since November after entering the country's northeast as either a tourist or tour operator.

I'm calling bullshiat right here.
 
2013-05-02 03:37:48 PM
He's going to be leveraged for the US and South Korea to ease up on their big meanie bullying and sent to the US after something is achieved.  I doubt he'll be exposed to much hard labor, if any.  The level of his offense will be apparent by the number and degree of concessions made.  I'm going to guess NK is claiming he was caught doing intelligence-like things.  We'll see.
 
2013-05-02 03:38:09 PM

Cathedralmaster: Forget sending in one person. Send in a whole bunch - the marines. Practice the type of diplomacy that comes at muzzle velocity.


Getting them killed in NK won't help anyone but NK.
 
2013-05-02 03:38:27 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: you are a puppet: [0.tqn.com image 498x359]
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts

That's not a picture of people who payed to see that movie...


Yes, it's a picture of people of who paid to see that movie.

/spelling NORK
 
2013-05-02 03:42:14 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: [www.beldar.org image 500x252]


Doubt it.
 
2013-05-02 03:42:22 PM

RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: RexTalionis: Warlordtrooper: I would consider this an act of War.  The US government should not be so willing to let an American citizen suffer at the hands of a foreign government.

Why? He's an idiot who put himself in danger, against all common sense and the advice of the State Department. Why should we start a international incident over him?

Because He's a US citizen, THAT'S WHY.

So? He assumed the risk when he decided that he can saunter over into a country that is hostile to us with no consequences.


Hey, because some asshats in our country do stupid shiat, I have to deal with dumb farking warning labels over every goddamn thing I buy stating the complete obvious (don't use toasters in the bathtub, don't let children play with plastic bags, etc. etc.). We look out for our own, prevent the dumb from doing dumb shiat, and when they do end up doing dumb shiat (and they always do), we back each other up to help each other out and maybe see what we can do to prevent it from happening again. You can't pick and choose which of your people have rights and protections provided by the government and who don't. Someone who goes and tries to murder a child-raping psychopath has the same protections offered to him as a nun does. If either of them fark up, hey, we do what we can to help them out, because that is what we farking do. We are happy to do it for people we like, and we suck it up for people who "deserve it". We stand as one, with the brilliant scientists and leaders, and scumbag shiatheads.

Period.
 
2013-05-02 03:44:22 PM

peterthx: The All-Powerful Atheismo: you are a puppet: [0.tqn.com image 498x359]
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts

That's not a picture of people who payed to see that movie...

Yes, it's a picture of people of who paid to see that movie.

/spelling NORK


I horked that one up real good.
 
2013-05-02 03:45:08 PM

peterthx: The All-Powerful Atheismo: you are a puppet: [0.tqn.com image 498x359]
R.I.P. Victim of unspecified hostel acts

That's not a picture of people who payed to see that movie...

Yes, it's a picture of people of who paid to see that movie.

/spelling NORK


And why is his spelling wrong?  His spelling is perfectly correct but the usage is incorrect.

Payed is used only when you're talking about slackening something like a line or rope.  So, if these people actually slackened the ropes while waiting to pay for their tickets, well, perhaps that's what he or she meant.

/But probably not.
 
2013-05-02 03:46:13 PM

JesusJuice: Tell them they can return our citizen or we can send a hellfire missile up Kims ass. And mean it.


Or better yet, we could tell them that they can keep him and do whatever the fark they want with him. If you want to travel through shiatholes like NK or Iran, or do something retarded like attempt to sail around the world on an innertube then you deserve whatever happens to you.
 
2013-05-02 03:50:32 PM
Is there any possibility this guy is a spook?
 
2013-05-02 03:51:16 PM
He will probably be forced to listen North Korean Kpop.
 
2013-05-02 03:51:20 PM
If anyone who has lived in or been raised in North Korea wants to chime in here, I'm all ears.  Otherwise, you morans are all relying on media reports of what CNN wants you to believe.
 
2013-05-02 03:52:30 PM

nekom: So which former President will we send to get this one released?

 how about Ford
images.defensetech.org
 
2013-05-02 03:55:42 PM

SirHolo: hardinparamedic: SirHolo: I just watched the documentary film "Crossing the Line."  Highly recommended

The guy defected during the Korean war, and says in the film that he has no regrets.  He is also fatter than Un, so probably gets lots of freebies.  Even says that he got extra rations because he brought an M-16 over with him.

He and three other defecators defectors acted in anti-American propaganda films, so he's a celebrity of sorts.

Currently smoking and drinking himself to death, so there's that.

The M-16 didn't exist in the American inventory  until 1963, well after the Korean War.

My bad.  His issue rifle is what he brought, whatever it was.


Probably an M1 Garand.
 
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