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(The Raw Story)   Study: Belief in the Biblical End Times is stifling progress on combating climate change, thereby bringing about the End Times   (rawstory.com ) divider line 103
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2013-05-02 11:19:54 AM  
Hell, some of thus nutbars are looking forward to it.
 
2013-05-02 12:57:55 PM  
There are enough places in the country where enough people believe this garbage that action on climate change will be stopped by any one of: a House Republican majority; or 40 fossil fuel loving Senators; or a conservative president. Changing the minds of these people will be impossible. We have to kill the filibuster and take back the House, or watch the planet go down in flames because of a bunch of morons who believe that God will putting the world to the sword anyway. A tale of two Armaggedons
 
2013-05-02 01:03:01 PM  
Every religious wingnut is absolutely sure this is the worst of all possible worlds, and Jesus MUST be coming to redeem us soon.
How's that working out so far?
 
2013-05-02 01:07:27 PM  
I never understood this philosophy. Even if you believe that God gave man dominion over the Earth to do with as we please, isn't there the implication that we should be good masters? If I give you a car, sure you're free to wreck it, but I'll think you're an idiot and judge you accordingly. If I were a believer, I would still be a strong environmentalist because I understand that I was charged with being a good shepherd.
 
2013-05-02 01:32:31 PM  
The "End Times" is mostly the excuse. Conservatives don't want climate change progress because that carbon tax will mean that they'll be unable to afford their 11th vacation home.
 
2013-05-02 02:11:19 PM  
How odd. The paper also indicates that belief in the Biblical End Times is one of the obstacles to getting the national debt under control -- though the correlation is weaker.
 
2013-05-02 02:13:16 PM  
Did anyone else make the connection to Republicans and their "Government sucks, elect us and we'll prove it!" political philosophy when reading the headline?

Conservatives sure do love their self-fulfilling prophecies, don't they?
 
2013-05-02 02:14:21 PM  
The End Times have been an obsession in in American Christian culture since the religious revivalist movements of the early 19th century. Somehow we've always managed to make progress in spite of it.
 
2013-05-02 02:17:28 PM  
Bullshiat.

The reason we're not moving ahead is because oil companies control the paradigm and polluting fossil fuels are comparatively dirt-cheap to use for both industry and the average American citizen. And they want to keep it that way.

The real bottom line.
 
2013-05-02 02:18:07 PM  
Nothing says personal responsibility like, "Jesus will fix it."
 
2013-05-02 02:19:48 PM  
Was the Obvious tag submerged in an Arctic melt?
 
2013-05-02 02:20:33 PM  
Evangelicals come pre-qualified to swallow any pile of stupid fed to them, as long as it hurts somebody else.
 
2013-05-02 02:21:14 PM  
I am not willing to jump into the pdf of the study but I wonder how they defined end of times/2nd coming.  The 70something % of republicans seems too high to be all Left Behind fantasizers.
 
2013-05-02 02:21:23 PM  
Something about death in damascus
 
2013-05-02 02:21:47 PM  

un4gvn666: Conservatives sure do love their self-fulfilling prophecies, don't they?


Conservatives love anything that means they don't have to think about or plan for the future. Tough problems like balancing the needs of economic growth and environmental sustainability? Don't exert any effort actually thinking about it, just claim Jesus will magic it away, stick your fingers in your ears and start singing Kumbaya at the top of your lungs.

If they had any honesty, the republican rallying cry would be "Why worry about tomorrow when you can stick your head in the sand today?"
 
2013-05-02 02:24:09 PM  
Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) said in 2010 that he opposed action on climate change because "the Earth will end only when God declares it to be over."

I would submit that the Hon. John Shimkus misses the point.  The Earth isn't going to end as a result of climate change, but civilization (such as it is) very likely might.

Maybe he would change his view if he could get it through his head that a lot of rich people will lose a lot of money as a result of climate change.
 
2013-05-02 02:24:38 PM  

Karma Chameleon: Was the Obvious tag submerged in an Arctic melt?


I think it's in a Medieval Warming Period, and is attempting to have an "open mind" about climate change.
 
2013-05-02 02:26:13 PM  

Saiga410: The 70something % of republicans seems too high to be all Left Behind fantasizers.


Why? The second advent in any form is a pretty standard story in Christian mythology. I'm a bit surprised it's only 76%. I'd actually have expected something like that across the whole of the American population and something much higher among the conservative subset.
 
2013-05-02 02:28:40 PM  
I really think that we are getting better...  There are more atheists and agnostics out there thanks to the spread of information.  I have 3 kids and I don't want to think that things will get too much worse before it gets better.  Smart is becoming 'cool' in the schools.  I remember when being a geek wasn't terribly fun.  I really want to think that we are smarter than those people wasting a couple of hours of their Sunday when they could be doing something productive.  We can't lose this battle to people who can't explain the scientific method and hate scientists as they create moronic memes for others to share in a series of 0's and 1's that they will NEVER understand.  We need to put on the kid gloves and explain things in small words to them in a way that will make them understand.  I have no idea how we can do this, but I hope we can.  I don't think that we can wait until they naturally die out.
 
2013-05-02 02:33:44 PM  
"The United States has failed to take action to mitigate climate change thanks in part to the large number of religious Americans who believe the world has a set expiration date."

Bullshiat!

The reason the US has taken no action is because the only 'solution' seriously advanced is massive taxation. Cap and Trade is/was the death of climate change action. You're never getting Cap and Trade, get over it and come up with a more practical solution.
 
2013-05-02 02:34:46 PM  
My in laws think the world is ending. They always complain that me and the wife are unprepared. Last time they visited I heard them complaining that we don't have a plan for the end of the world. I told them I do have a plan. Die.

They were not amused.
 
2013-05-02 02:34:55 PM  

DominoFrost: I really think that we are getting better...  There are more atheists and agnostics out there thanks to the spread of information.  I have 3 kids and I don't want to think that things will get too much worse before it gets better.  Smart is becoming 'cool' in the schools.  I remember when being a geek wasn't terribly fun.  I really want to think that we are smarter than those people wasting a couple of hours of their Sunday when they could be doing something productive.  We can't lose this battle to people who can't explain the scientific method and hate scientists as they create moronic memes for others to share in a series of 0's and 1's that they will NEVER understand.  We need to put on the kid gloves and explain things in small words to them in a way that will make them understand.  I have no idea how we can do this, but I hope we can.  I don't think that we can wait until they naturally die out.


Actually there are over two billion (or more) self-professed Christians and Muslims on this planet, so I don't really see things as getting "better." Perhaps if Internet usage increases and the level/quality of education rises significantly in the next 20 years.

And yeah, we could be seeing a real "end times" if we don't get our shiat together and start learning how to live in the 21st century.
 
2013-05-02 02:35:23 PM  
It's dangerous to let people who believe that this world is just a dirty, imperfect hurdle prior to their entry into a perfect, eternal one make serious decisions for the rest of us.
 
2013-05-02 02:38:30 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Nothing says personal responsibility like, "Jesus will fix it."


I remember in 7th grade Religion class, there was a discussion about how even the worst mass murderer on Earth can still enter the Kingdom of Heaven if he asks Jesus for forgiveness right before roll on two.

One of the students then asked "Well then, why can't I just sin all I want until it's time to die and then ask Jesus to forgive me?"
She answered, "Well, you don't know when you're going to die, so you would have to live the best life you can until that time comes, wouldn't you?"

Even as a dumb seventh-grader, that was pretty much a bullshiat answer to me.
 
2013-05-02 02:38:46 PM  

DominoFrost: I really think that we are getting better...  There are more atheists and agnostics out there thanks to the spread of information.  I have 3 kids and I don't want to think that things will get too much worse before it gets better.  Smart is becoming 'cool' in the schools.  I remember when being a geek wasn't terribly fun.  I really want to think that we are smarter than those people wasting a couple of hours of their Sunday when they could be doing something productive.  We can't lose this battle to people who can't explain the scientific method and hate scientists as they create moronic memes for others to share in a series of 0's and 1's that they will NEVER understand.  We need to put on the kid gloves and explain things in small words to them in a way that will make them understand.  I have no idea how we can do this, but I hope we can.  I don't think that we can wait until they naturally die out.


Science says 3 kids doesn't conform to the ZPG model which might just f*cking save this plant.  Just saying.
 
2013-05-02 02:39:11 PM  

whidbey: DominoFrost: I really think that we are getting better...  There are more atheists and agnostics out there thanks to the spread of information.  I have 3 kids and I don't want to think that things will get too much worse before it gets better.  Smart is becoming 'cool' in the schools.  I remember when being a geek wasn't terribly fun.  I really want to think that we are smarter than those people wasting a couple of hours of their Sunday when they could be doing something productive.  We can't lose this battle to people who can't explain the scientific method and hate scientists as they create moronic memes for others to share in a series of 0's and 1's that they will NEVER understand.  We need to put on the kid gloves and explain things in small words to them in a way that will make them understand.  I have no idea how we can do this, but I hope we can.  I don't think that we can wait until they naturally die out.

Actually there are over two billion (or more) self-professed Christians and Muslims on this planet, so I don't really see things as getting "better." Perhaps if Internet usage increases and the level/quality of education rises significantly in the next 20 years.

And yeah, we could be seeing a real "end times" if we don't get our shiat together and start learning how to live in the 21st century.


I am sorry, I meant to say that the number is growing thanks to the spread of information.  I know that I am outnumbered, it just isn't as bad as it was 20 years ago when I graduated highschool. :)
 
2013-05-02 02:39:32 PM  

coeyagi: DominoFrost: I really think that we are getting better...  There are more atheists and agnostics out there thanks to the spread of information.  I have 3 kids and I don't want to think that things will get too much worse before it gets better.  Smart is becoming 'cool' in the schools.  I remember when being a geek wasn't terribly fun.  I really want to think that we are smarter than those people wasting a couple of hours of their Sunday when they could be doing something productive.  We can't lose this battle to people who can't explain the scientific method and hate scientists as they create moronic memes for others to share in a series of 0's and 1's that they will NEVER understand.  We need to put on the kid gloves and explain things in small words to them in a way that will make them understand.  I have no idea how we can do this, but I hope we can.  I don't think that we can wait until they naturally die out.

Science says 3 kids doesn't conform to the ZPG model which might just f*cking save this planet.  Just saying.


FTFM
 
2013-05-02 02:46:43 PM  

skozlaw: Saiga410: The 70something % of republicans seems too high to be all Left Behind fantasizers.

Why? The second advent in any form is a pretty standard story in Christian mythology. I'm a bit surprised it's only 76%. I'd actually have expected something like that across the whole of the American population and something much higher among the conservative subset.


Oh I can undersand a 76% response rate to "Do you think Jebus will come to earth again and take the believers to heaven".  But that is not the same as "Do you think Jebus.... in this or the next generations time".
 
2013-05-02 02:48:09 PM  

gshepnyc: It's dangerous to let people who believe that this world is just a dirty, imperfect hurdle prior to their entry into a perfect, eternal one make serious decisions for the rest of us.


You'd better get busy then, because a lot of those people are making a lot of those decisions right now.
 
2013-05-02 02:51:11 PM  

Saiga410: Oh I can undersand a 76% response rate to "Do you think Jebus will come to earth again and take the believers to heaven". But that is not the same as "Do you think Jebus.... in this or the next generations time".


Just based on that response rate I'm going to guess that it was pretty broad and the specific interpretation was left to the people being questioned. I would think if they asked specifically about a "near-term" second coming the 76% would be much lower and the increased likelihood of opposing climate change legislation would be much higher.
 
2013-05-02 02:57:50 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I never understood this philosophy. Even if you believe that God gave man dominion over the Earth to do with as we please, isn't there the implication that we should be good masters? If I give you a car, sure you're free to wreck it, but I'll think you're an idiot and judge you accordingly. If I were a believer, I would still be a strong environmentalist because I understand that I was charged with being a good shepherd.


you would think Conservatives would take ownership of the concept of conservation or sustainable development.
 
2013-05-02 02:58:26 PM  

CPennypacker: My in laws think the world is ending. They always complain that me and the wife are unprepared. Last time they visited I heard them complaining that we don't have a plan for the end of the world. I told them I do have a plan. Die.

They were not amused.


Good enough plan as any.
 
2013-05-02 03:05:31 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: There are enough places in the country where enough people believe this garbage that action on climate change will be stopped by any one of: a House Republican majority; or 40 fossil fuel loving Senators; or a conservative president. Changing the minds of these people will be impossible. We have to kill the filibuster and take back the House, or watch the planet go down in flames because of a bunch of morons who believe that God will putting the world to the sword anyway. A tale of two Armaggedons


Good, fark humanity. We've done some cool shiat since the Industrial Revolution, but it ruined humanity's ability to take the long view with things. The only way that we're going to get back into equilibirum with our environment is to have a few hundred years of global warming wiping out a good chunk of the population, and if it ultimately winds up wiping out the entire human race, so be it. Let's see if the dolphins or the sentient plants can do better.
 
2013-05-02 03:05:32 PM  

abb3w: How odd. The paper also indicates that belief in the Biblical End Times is one of the obstacles to getting the national debt under control -- though the correlation is weaker.


And where would support for Dubya's hawkish foreign policy in the Middle East have been without it?
 
2013-05-02 03:07:29 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I never understood this philosophy. Even if you believe that God gave man dominion over the Earth to do with as we please, isn't there the implication that we should be good masters? If I give you a car, sure you're free to wreck it, but I'll think you're an idiot and judge you accordingly. If I were a believer, I would still be a strong environmentalist because I understand that I was charged with being a good shepherd.


That's because you're confusing the idea of "being a good Christian" and "depraved whores of Mammon".  The latter much more accurately describes their behavior and worldview.
 
2013-05-02 03:09:34 PM  

skozlaw: Saiga410: Oh I can undersand a 76% response rate to "Do you think Jebus will come to earth again and take the believers to heaven". But that is not the same as "Do you think Jebus.... in this or the next generations time".

Just based on that response rate I'm going to guess that it was pretty broad and the specific interpretation was left to the people being questioned. I would think if they asked specifically about a "near-term" second coming the 76% would be much lower and the increased likelihood of opposing climate change legislation would be much higher.


I'd like to see a survey on exactly when believers think the Second Coming is going to happen:
--In a million years
--A thousand years from now
--Sometime in the next century
--Next month
--August 3 at 2:14 p.m.
--Any minute now

///Surely the Second Coming is at hand
 
2013-05-02 03:14:34 PM  
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2013-05-02 03:15:05 PM  

Raoul Eaton: I would submit that the Hon. John Shimkus misses the point. The Earth isn't going to end as a result of climate change, but civilization (such as it is) very likely might.


He may not have stated it artfully, but I have heard other politicans use the argument that God gave man dominion over the earth, therefore until he warns another Noah, everything is as He wills it.  I'm sure that Shimkus concept of earth is similar.
 
2013-05-02 03:15:18 PM  
I sure hope that was satire.
 
2013-05-02 03:24:20 PM  
TFA = Huge stinking pile of fail.

The United States has failed to take action to mitigate climate change
According to a recent report by the International Energy Agency, the U.S. has seen the greatest reduction in carbon dioxide pollution within the past six years in comparison to any other country, even as global carbon dioxide pollution has reached record highs.

The study, based on data from the 2007 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, uncovered that belief in the "Second Coming" of Jesus reduced the probability of strongly supporting government action on climate change by 12 percent

12 whole percent.  Assuming 1/2 the country is republican, which it is not, 12% of half is 6% of the total population is stopping the whole country from reducing CO2 emissions while in fact CO2 emissions in the US are going down.

So much stupid in 1 article.
 
2013-05-02 03:24:58 PM  

Raoul Eaton: skozlaw: Saiga410: Oh I can undersand a 76% response rate to "Do you think Jebus will come to earth again and take the believers to heaven". But that is not the same as "Do you think Jebus.... in this or the next generations time".

Just based on that response rate I'm going to guess that it was pretty broad and the specific interpretation was left to the people being questioned. I would think if they asked specifically about a "near-term" second coming the 76% would be much lower and the increased likelihood of opposing climate change legislation would be much higher.

I'd like to see a survey on exactly when believers think the Second Coming is going to happen:
--In a million years
--A thousand years from now
--Sometime in the next century
--Next month
--August 3 at 2:14 p.m.
--Any minute now

///Surely the Second Coming is at hand


Most people who believe in the rapture think it will happen in their lifetime no matter how old they are.
 
2013-05-02 03:28:07 PM  

mrshowrules: Lord Dimwit: I never understood this philosophy. Even if you believe that God gave man dominion over the Earth to do with as we please, isn't there the implication that we should be good masters? If I give you a car, sure you're free to wreck it, but I'll think you're an idiot and judge you accordingly. If I were a believer, I would still be a strong environmentalist because I understand that I was charged with being a good shepherd.

you would think Conservatives would take ownership of the concept of conservation or sustainable development.


Can't. It tends to cramp the free market's style too much.
 
2013-05-02 03:28:10 PM  

coeyagi: Science says 3 kids doesn't conform to the ZPG model which might just f*cking save this plant. Just saying.


And yet, free societies with universal rights for women, and voluntary access to birth control tend to drift towards zero or negative population growth without need for regulation.  Some people choose 3+ children, but plenty of others choose 0 or 1.

The US fertility rate is presently ~1.89 children per woman.  The only reason we have population growth is because of net immigration (less of an environmental footprint than just adding new people).

Now, who is having tons of children creates societal concerns.  Suffice to say it isn't the people who are best-equipped to provide financially and educationally for their children.  See also: Fundamentalists who treat women as baby-making property and birth control is the debbil.

But recent history suggests that long-term runaway population growth may not be a problem in and of itself, even in developing countries.
 
2013-05-02 03:28:19 PM  

pdee: TFA = Huge stinking pile of fail.

The United States has failed to take action to mitigate climate change
According to a recent report by the International Energy Agency, the U.S. has seen the greatest reduction in carbon dioxide pollution within the past six years in comparison to any other country, even as global carbon dioxide pollution has reached record highs.

The study, based on data from the 2007 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, uncovered that belief in the "Second Coming" of Jesus reduced the probability of strongly supporting government action on climate change by 12 percent

12 whole percent.  Assuming 1/2 the country is republican, which it is not, 12% of half is 6% of the total population is stopping the whole country from reducing CO2 emissions while in fact CO2 emissions in the US are going down.

So much stupid in 1 article.


Sorry left out a step.  1/2 the US republican.  3/4 of republican awaiting 2nd coming.  Then only 12% of those = 4.5%.  Yes that 4.5% is the whole problem.
 
2013-05-02 03:38:49 PM  

pdee: pdee: TFA = Huge stinking pile of fail.

The United States has failed to take action to mitigate climate change
According to a recent report by the International Energy Agency, the U.S. has seen the greatest reduction in carbon dioxide pollution within the past six years in comparison to any other country, even as global carbon dioxide pollution has reached record highs.

The study, based on data from the 2007 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, uncovered that belief in the "Second Coming" of Jesus reduced the probability of strongly supporting government action on climate change by 12 percent

12 whole percent.  Assuming 1/2 the country is republican, which it is not, 12% of half is 6% of the total population is stopping the whole country from reducing CO2 emissions while in fact CO2 emissions in the US are going down.

So much stupid in 1 article.

Sorry left out a step.  1/2 the US republican.  3/4 of republican awaiting 2nd coming.  Then only 12% of those = 4.5%.  Yes that 4.5% is the whole problem.


If only that 4.5% were evenly distributed among all walks of life and held environmental issues to the exact same preference levels of other cohorts AND had 4.5% of the influence in this country, you might have a point.
 
2013-05-02 03:45:06 PM  
the muslims will kill us long before global warming does.
 
2013-05-02 04:19:14 PM  
A significant percentage of American Christianity- certainly a very small minority, but significant all out of proportion to their numbers- could probably be classified as doomsday cultists.

There's a psychological phenomena I can't think of the name of that explains how some people who believe the world is ending will deliberately work toward achieving that goal. Aum Shinrikyo is probably a good example of that.

And now we've got American "Christians" (whom Christ would not like very much) falling into the same patterns. They're a tiny group but the internet acts as a force-multiplier and they're determined to win elections at any cost.

So yay for us. We'll be cleaning up the aftermath of these people for generations.
 
2013-05-02 04:23:46 PM  
These people believe that the world will end, or they will be removed from the world, Real Soon Now.  Either way, they do not expect to have to deal with the consequences of anything they do to the world.  Furthermore, they think those of us who will be Left Behind are completely screwed, and are bad people anyway, so it doesn't matter what sort of messes they leave for us to deal with.  Do you really want people like that making decisions about anything important?
 
2013-05-02 04:25:43 PM  

FuturePastNow: A significant percentage of American Christianity- certainly a very small minority, but significant all out of proportion to their numbers- could probably be classified as doomsday cultists.

There's a psychological phenomena I can't think of the name of that explains how some people who believe the world is ending will deliberately work toward achieving that goal. Aum Shinrikyo is probably a good example of that.

And now we've got American "Christians" (whom Christ would not like very much) falling into the same patterns. They're a tiny group but the internet acts as a force-multiplier and they're determined to win elections at any cost.

So yay for us. We'll be cleaning up the aftermath of these people for generations.


Why would Jesus not like them.  Jesus was himself a doomsday prophet.
 
2013-05-02 04:27:31 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: "The United States has failed to take action to mitigate climate change thanks in part to the large number of religious Americans who believe the world has a set expiration date."

Bullshiat!

The reason the US has taken no action is because the only 'solution' seriously advanced is massive taxation. Cap and Trade is/was the death of climate change action. You're never getting Cap and Trade, get over it and come up with a more practical solution.


The executives, board members, and major shareholders of the energy companies - and their extended families - are required to live on the most polluted land from which their corporation draw resources.
 
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