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(Newser)   When does a DUI conviction carry a 13-year prison sentence? Apparently, when it's your eighth one   (newser.com) divider line 147
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 01:03:19 PM
"It defies logic that an individual that has been arrested for DUI 10 times continues to drink alcohol," [Lake County Assistant State's Attorney Ben] Dillon

I really want to throw this DA in prison beside the drunk for not understanding that some people may not be the same perfect emotionlessly logical Vulcans like he thinks he is.

Defense attorney Mike Norris said Morrow had been subjected to intense probation for the past two years and had not violated it.

The drunk (ex-drunk?) was apparently one of the people for whom treatment as opposed to retribution works. Most states make you pay money to AA or some inpatient treatment program and then you go back to alcoholism when you get out. Intensive probation programs are more effective.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 01:05:09 PM
I was quoting the Chicago Tribune story which is the real news source here.
 
2013-05-02 01:23:34 PM
Pffffft.   Amateurs.  I've seen life for a 6th DWI from a jury in Texas.
 
2013-05-02 01:24:27 PM
ZAZ:

Drinking and driving is directly putting other peoples' lives in danger.  Very directly.

I have no sympathy for someone who does it that much.
 
2013-05-02 01:25:38 PM
This many DUIs and you should be charged with attempted murder.
 
2013-05-02 01:26:20 PM

mrpbear: Pffffft.   Amateurs.  I've seen life for a 6th DWI from a jury in Texas.


Should be lower. Maybe 4th.
 
2013-05-02 01:26:59 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: ZAZ:

Drinking and driving is directly putting other peoples' lives in danger.  Very directly.

I have no sympathy for someone who does it that much.


Yeah, I agree.  If treatment doesn't change that, then I'd rather see that person in prison rather than continue to put lives in danger because s/he has no self-control.
 
2013-05-02 01:27:01 PM
Good thing he is not in Texas, People generally get 10-25 yrs for their third
 
2013-05-02 01:27:24 PM
In my state drivers with multiple DUIs are labeled "Habitual Violators".

My college roommate served time for it.  But in all fairness he was constantly in trouble and had a rap sheet half a mile long.

/having him as a roommate was a lotta things, but it was NEVER boring
 
2013-05-02 01:27:46 PM
In Indiana 3rd time draws at least a year.
 
2013-05-02 01:28:13 PM
I'm an alcoholic Ohioan who has a guy with 9 DUI's in my IOP (intensive outpatient treatment) class.  I went through IOP about four years ago as well and there was a guy with 13 DUIs.  I have never had a DUI, but should have MANY times, so I try not to judge.  But 13??? Come on!
 
2013-05-02 01:28:50 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: ZAZ:

Drinking and driving is directly putting other peoples' lives in danger.  Very directly.

I have no sympathy for someone who does it that much.


95629: This many DUIs and you should be charged with attempted murder.


This and this. Let the guy rot. DUIs are not harmless, no matter how much fark's drunk driving squad wants them to be so. Can't drink responsibly? Stay home, have somebody else drive you, take a cab, take a bus. This guy should have been locked up much sooner, IMO.
 
2013-05-02 01:29:27 PM
 
2013-05-02 01:30:44 PM

ZAZ: Defense attorney Mike Norris said Morrow had been subjected to intense probation for the past two years and had not violated it.


Had not violated it, you know, up until that point when he did and decided to drink and drive... again...

Dumbass deserves to be in jail for a looooong time
 
2013-05-02 01:30:58 PM
Nothing happens to DUI's in this state until you kill someone.  Even if it's your 7th.

http://www.greenevillesun.com/Local_News/article/DUI-Case-In-Fatal-W re ck-Now-Scheduled-Oct-3-id-320893
 
2013-05-02 01:31:40 PM

Boonaroo: Good thing he is not in Texas, People generally get 10-25 yrs for their third


I have a friend who just got 17 for his 5th.  Judge trial, no appeals.

Great dude, just couldn't get his shiate together.
 
2013-05-02 01:32:06 PM
Morrow pleaded for leniency, telling the court he was abused as a child

Oh, well then, shiat...you poor, brave soul. Illinois treats DUI's more seriously than most places, he should've known hell was coming after #3. Being abused as a child isn't a free pass to act like a consequence-free dickhead all your life.
 
2013-05-02 01:32:29 PM

Brick-House: [media.jrn.com image 199x260]
Mark Allen Warner got 3 years for a DUI conviction -- mind you, it was only his 15th conviction.


With a 'doo like that, you know you've got to be where the party's at.
 
2013-05-02 01:34:31 PM

tennessee.hillbilly: Brick-House: [media.jrn.com image 199x260]
Mark Allen Warner got 3 years for a DUI conviction -- mind you, it was only his 15th conviction.

With a 'doo like that, you know you've got to be where the party's at.


I was gonna say he got time for the mullet.

/in his defense, it is a very NICE mullet
 
2013-05-02 01:34:47 PM
I am very much of the school of thought that there should be a special lane on the highways for drunk drivers.  One lane...going both ways.  But that said, why is it not screamingly obvious to the judiial system that after someone 's 2nd or third DUI, especially when the BAC is very high, that what you are dealing with is a chronic alcoholic and any punishment you mete out needs to deal with curing the addiction or you are going to see them right back in your court again in a couple of months.   And if they can't/wont cure it?  Then locking them up to keep them off the roads is not a bad idea
 
2013-05-02 01:34:53 PM
Keep in mind that to be convicted of DUI 13 times, you have to be arrested for DUI more than that many times, and you to be driving drunk but not get stopped a lot more times than that.

These guys have to be drinking and driving every damn night - playing Russian Rouletet with random citizen's lives each time.  They get with their drinking buddies at the bar and mutually agree it's to drink and drive normal because we all do it. How else are we supposed to get home?

Throw away the key.
 
2013-05-02 01:35:04 PM
HighlanderRPI:  ZAZ: Defense attorney Mike Norris said Morrow had been subjected to intense probation for the past two years and had not violated it.
Had not violated it, you know, up until that point when he did and decided to drink and drive... again...
Dumbass deserves to be in jail for a looooong time


I'm guessing it was more like he wasn't caught violating it before the current incident.
 
2013-05-02 01:36:13 PM
After 2 they shouldn't allow you to own a car and their license should be revoked for a decade. If driving itself isn't a right then neither should owning a car. That being said, prison isn't the right place for these types.
 
2013-05-02 01:36:42 PM
This many DUIs and you should be charged with child molestation.
 
2013-05-02 01:36:56 PM
One would think he'll sober up in the can, but I'm pretty sure he'll be mixing up draino or paint thinner like that dude from The Master.
/fun fact, the argument he had with PSH in jail, the toilet wasn't suppose to break, they just kept rolling.
 
2013-05-02 01:37:25 PM
You would think five or six convictions might get the point through.

Oh, wait, we're talking about people like my brother.  He's the only person I know who hasn't had a license for years, yet still complains whenever the cops pull him over for speeding, which is often.
 
2013-05-02 01:37:56 PM
A guy with 5 DUI's just killed a motorcyclist here in southeastern PA. Really farked up.
 
2013-05-02 01:38:41 PM
good
 
2013-05-02 01:39:39 PM
Should have banged him up after the first
 
2013-05-02 01:40:39 PM
IMO:

1st DUI - Fine. Classes.

2nd DUI - FIne- Suspension of drivers license for 30+ days.

3rd DUI - You never get your license again. EVER.

Get caught again - Jail. Not sure how many years... I just know years.

EVERY. SINGLE. DRUNK. DRIVING. DEATH. EVER. COULD. HAVE. BEEN. AVOIDED.

All of'em.
 
2013-05-02 01:40:47 PM
In my stupid youth I got one and to this day I still think about it almost daily how I could have killed someone. Thats why I like living walking disatance to most of the bars I go to. When I had to go to the court mandated substance abuse classes there were teenagers in there with 2 DUIs. I felt as if I had been thorwn to the wolves, it was eye opening and taught me that I didn't want to end up like the people in the class. I think in the whole group of about 20-something people there was one other person where it was the first time for them.
 
2013-05-02 01:41:40 PM

MayoSlather: After 2 they shouldn't allow you to own a car and their license should be revoked for a decade. If driving itself isn't a right then neither should owning a car. That being said, prison isn't the right place for these types.


Well, the option seems to be either prison or mandatory alcohol sensors on all cars.  The number of people killed in the US by drunk drivers is about the same as the number in gun-related homicides.  You hear a LOT about trying to bring down the latter number but next to nothing on the former.
 
2013-05-02 01:43:16 PM
enjoy your prison toilet wine, drunkie. i got no problem with hopeless alcoholics; i got big hate for drunks who get behind the wheel.
 
2013-05-02 01:45:52 PM

meanmutton: MayoSlather: After 2 they shouldn't allow you to own a car and their license should be revoked for a decade. If driving itself isn't a right then neither should owning a car. That being said, prison isn't the right place for these types.

Well, the option seems to be either prison or mandatory alcohol sensors on all cars.  The number of people killed in the US by drunk drivers is about the same as the number in gun-related homicides.  You hear a LOT about trying to bring down the latter number but next to nothing on the former.


MADD says 27 people a day die from drunk driving crashes. I'm sure that isn't even close to gun death number.
 
2013-05-02 01:46:00 PM

groppet: In my stupid youth I got one and to this day I still think about it almost daily how I could have killed someone. Thats why I like living walking disatance to most of the bars I go to. When I had to go to the court mandated substance abuse classes there were teenagers in there with 2 DUIs. I felt as if I had been thorwn to the wolves, it was eye opening and taught me that I didn't want to end up like the people in the class. I think in the whole group of about 20-something people there was one other person where it was the first time for them.


I got a close one. I wasn't even pulled over because I was driving erratically, but good guy officer smelled it on my breath, made me pull my car to the side of the road, and get picked up by a friend. If you've never gotten pulled over after drinking a few, IT IS VERY SCARY. Never again.
 
2013-05-02 01:46:55 PM

Brick-House: [media.jrn.com image 199x260]
Mark Allen Warner got 3 years for a DUI conviction -- mind you, it was only his 15th conviction.



15th offense in Wisconsin is probably about equivalent to a 3rd offense --well,  maybe 4th -- just anywhere else in the country.
 
2013-05-02 01:46:59 PM
I only personally know of one person who got a DUI. He said it was the most life changing experience he'd ever had. Never did it again.

I say drop these douchebags off on a deserted island where they can drink themselves to death. Airdrop Budweiser products on them every day. Coonts.
 
2013-05-02 01:48:17 PM

meanmutton: MayoSlather: After 2 they shouldn't allow you to own a car and their license should be revoked for a decade. If driving itself isn't a right then neither should owning a car. That being said, prison isn't the right place for these types.

Well, the option seems to be either prison or mandatory alcohol sensors on all cars.  The number of people killed in the US by drunk drivers is about the same as the number in gun-related homicides.  You hear a LOT about trying to bring down the latter number but next to nothing on the former.


The only real organized (non-internet) push I see against drunk driving seems to be MADD, who tend to be a little too aggressive for my tastes (like, prohibitionist aggressive). I think drunk driving is certainly less permitted these days at parties and such than it used to be, but there's still a lot of work to be done. I'm not sure if this is true, but it seems as though one of the last bastions of drunk driving acceptance is some kinds of college cultures.
 
2013-05-02 01:49:28 PM
So when does Lindsey Lohan go to jail?
 
2013-05-02 01:51:23 PM
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2013-05-02 01:53:14 PM
I understand the compulsion to drink.  But why the hell doesn't he just get drunk at home? He'd save money on booze, too.
 
2013-05-02 01:55:04 PM

Aidan: but it seems as though one of the last bastions of drunk driving acceptance is some kinds of college cultures.


No way.
Check out the crowds at the sports bars on Sundays during football season.  Swing by the softball complex on co-ed rec night.  Or where the hipsters are playing kickball.
 
2013-05-02 01:55:19 PM

Summoner101: So when does Lindsey Lohan go to jail?


At her own time of choosing, apparently.
 
2013-05-02 01:59:23 PM

hobnail: I understand the compulsion to drink.  But why the hell doesn't he just get drunk at home? He'd save money on booze, too.


Because the house is boring, even drunk.
 
2013-05-02 02:00:05 PM

MayoSlather: After 2 they shouldn't allow you to own a car and their license should be revoked for a decade. If driving itself isn't a right then neither should owning a car. That being said, prison isn't the right place for these types.


This, if you keep driving drunk, you should not be allowed to drive, and the punishment for driving with out a license needs to be higher.
 
2013-05-02 02:00:12 PM

monoski: A guy with 5 DUI's just killed a motorcyclist here in southeastern PA. Really farked up.


For this guy and guys like him, I say we give the 3 bottles of whatever hard liquor they perfer and tell them if they can drink all 3 in an hour, that all charges will be dropped. Unless they have the constitution of Drew, this problem shoud take care of itself.
 
2013-05-02 02:00:52 PM
STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!!!
 
2013-05-02 02:01:54 PM
I have permanent vertigo and a farked up shoulder from where a drunk ran me over as I was in a crosswalk, so you know, not much sympathy over here.
 
2013-05-02 02:02:02 PM

ZAZ: "It defies logic that an individual that has been arrested for DUI 10 times continues to drink alcohol," [Lake County Assistant State's Attorney Ben] Dillon

I really want to throw this DA in prison beside the drunk for not understanding that some people may not be the same perfect emotionlessly logical Vulcans like he thinks he is.

Defense attorney Mike Norris said Morrow had been subjected to intense probation for the past two years and had not violated it.

The drunk (ex-drunk?) was apparently one of the people for whom treatment as opposed to retribution works. Most states make you pay money to AA or some inpatient treatment program and then you go back to alcoholism when you get out. Intensive probation programs are more effective.


And it didn't work.  13 years in prison is super-double intensive probation.  He'll be out in less than that if he behaves.

Taking bets on whether he drives drunk again?
 
2013-05-02 02:02:31 PM

Aidan: I'm not sure if this is true, but it seems as though one of the last bastions of drunk driving acceptance is some kinds of college cultures.


Everyone drives drunk all the time. Every Monday that the wife works the medical examiner's office it's full of them. Every time I go out on Sunday or Monday the street signs have been run over and there are tracks in the grass. Every time I come home later than 11pm on Friday or Saturday it's obvious people are driving drunk. Most of the car fatalities I see on the news are people who were driving on the highway past 2am on the weekend.
 
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