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(NBC News)   Principal of struggling Boston-area elementary school replaces security guards with art teachers - and student achievement improves. In other news, Boston SWAT teams are to be replaced by pottery instructors and mimes   (dailynightly.nbcnews.com) divider line 19
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2013-05-02 10:09:54 AM  
11 votes:
It's amazing how education works when you actually educate.
2013-05-02 12:14:11 PM  
5 votes:
So when you treat kids like prisoners they act like prisoners?

When you treat them like students they act like students?

What will they think of next?
2013-05-02 11:41:59 AM  
4 votes:
Schools with strong art and music programs have higher achievement levels in all subjects, but whenever there is a budget problem, they are the first to get cut as "superfluous." And when the school starts doing worse in math and science, the administrators and school boards are surprised.

It's as pathetic as eliminating recess from elementary school schedules, and then wondering why the kids can't sit still in class.
2013-05-02 12:15:40 PM  
3 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: Nattering Nabob: If the principal at my son's school did away with security in favor of art, and there was a Sandy Hook style shooting, I would be angry enough to want to go all ITG (if she were a man).

No matter what you do, this is an infinitesimally small chance that there will be a school shooting. The problem (in just about every area, whether it be security, testing, etc) with schools nowadays is that the lowest denominator wins, to the determent of everyone else.


It's basically the same as terrorism. You're more likely to drown in a swimming pool then be killed by a terrorist but that didn't stop us from spending billions of dollars and shifting the focus of our national foreign policy to address it.
2013-05-02 12:13:58 PM  
3 votes:

Nana's Vibrator: give me doughnuts: Schools with strong art and music programs have higher achievement levels in all subjects, but whenever there is a budget problem, they are the first to get cut as "superfluous." And when the school starts doing worse in math and science, the administrators and school boards are surprised.

Sort of a loaded discussion.  Sure, maybe they'll have lower language and science scores if you cut art programs - so instead of cutting arts, what do they cut?  Language and science?  It would seem like the answer to your argument is 'cut nothing' with regard to specific school curriculum.  This school was sort of lucky in that they could free up the security money.  Not every school has the luxury of neighborhood violence.  Weird.


Maybe we shouldn't be cutting money out of education at all? I know it's not easy, but I have this idea that government should provide (or make sure the private sector fairly provides) some basic services (education, health, protection) from a moral obligation even if they are not economically ideal.
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2013-05-02 10:51:56 AM  
3 votes:
I'm a little surprised to learn the principal had discretion to choose between guards and teachers. I expected security to be dictated by the city.
2013-05-02 12:04:13 PM  
2 votes:

Aarontology: It's amazing how education works when you actually educate.


Done. Schools aren't occupational training centers, where children are stored until they can be parceled out to assigned jobs.
2013-05-02 11:58:25 AM  
2 votes:
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\I'll bet Pottery Instructors and Mimes wouldn't shiat the bed when they find one of these
2013-05-02 02:14:13 PM  
1 votes:

Raoul Eaton: Schools-to-arts beats schools-to-jails any time.

I've known more than a few people who never would have found anything to care about at school if it wasn't for the art or music department.  That's even in pretty good schools.


But now they're still on food stamps and drugs, right? ;-)

/kids need arts
2013-05-02 12:08:30 PM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Aarontology: It's amazing how education works when you actually educate.

Done. Schools aren't occupational training centers, where children are stored until they can be parceled out to assigned jobs.


I wouldn't say that necessarily.  A big problem with high schools is that there isn't enough vocational training to be had.

College isn't right for everyone, and all jobs don't require a college degree to be successful.  If a student enjoys working on car engines, there ought to be an avenue to prepare them to pass an ASE certification when they graduate.
2013-05-02 11:57:21 AM  
1 votes:

Aarontology: It's amazing how education works when you actually educate.


And take away the armed prison camp aspect.
2013-05-02 11:52:19 AM  
1 votes:

Nattering Nabob: There is a 99.999% chance this was a brilliant move. After all, what's the worst that could happen?


And we should spend a brazillion dollars making that 0.001% chance even smaller, right?  Perhaps mandatory pat downs, bomb sniffing dogs and National Guard acting as security?  We can park my old tank where the playground used to be and make sure nobody outguns us!
2013-05-02 11:48:05 AM  
1 votes:

Shostie: This may just be the cynic in me talking, but $1 says he also quietly "encouraged" problem students to seek their educational fortunes elsewhere.


That would be a trick.  It's difficult to expell a public school student in MA, nevermind all the problem one's in a town like Roxbury.
2013-05-02 11:43:16 AM  
1 votes:
Boston schools are surprisingly ghetto and Kafkaesque given the otherwise incredibly urbane and educated polity of the area.  there's a few outliers, but most of them fall squarely into the "nightmare scenario" for sending a small child to attend.
2013-05-02 11:42:38 AM  
1 votes:
What if the art teachers were ex Navy Seals that were demoted to Cooks to now Art Teachers?
2013-05-02 11:40:10 AM  
1 votes:
Somebody better tell the NRA.
2013-05-02 11:37:37 AM  
1 votes:
Some people are going to have a problem with this.
I'll fetch the popcorn.
2013-05-02 11:19:33 AM  
1 votes:

Shostie: This may just be the cynic in me talking, but $1 says he also quietly "encouraged" problem students to seek their educational fortunes elsewhere.


The whole story reads like there's a whole lot more to the story. This was a piece that wanted to say one thing and it said that one thing. The reality is no doubt significantly more nuanced.
2013-05-02 11:13:25 AM  
1 votes:
This may just be the cynic in me talking, but $1 says he also quietly "encouraged" problem students to seek their educational fortunes elsewhere.
 
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