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(Newcastle Herald (Australia))   A 39 year old setting up a party house to lure underage teens in with drugs and booze with the intent of banging underage kids gets off again. This time in court   (theherald.com.au) divider line 181
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2013-05-02 05:52:15 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: KrispyKritter: crzybtch: I have to agree, if it was a man with teenage girls, he would have ended up in prison.  Not cool.   Sorry to see that happens outside the US too.

That being said, I want both men and women to do some time for that.  No one over 18 should be doing high school kids.

so a 19 yr old female should go to prison for sexing her 17 yr old HS boyfriend she has been dating for years.

How old is 18 really? The entire cut off age is a dumb idea.
are both parties consenting? Has puberty occured in both parties? Have the parties been given sex education?

if the answer to all of these is yes. Than i dont see what the big deal is.

Perhaps something along the lines of no more than a 4 year age gap between parties till they reach age of majority?


it's the official stance of the United States that we don't teach sex ed anymore. Only abstinence only for us thank you
 
2013-05-02 06:08:31 PM

ModernPrimitive01: teenage mutant ninja rapist: KrispyKritter: crzybtch: I have to agree, if it was a man with teenage girls, he would have ended up in prison.  Not cool.   Sorry to see that happens outside the US too.

That being said, I want both men and women to do some time for that.  No one over 18 should be doing high school kids.

so a 19 yr old female should go to prison for sexing her 17 yr old HS boyfriend she has been dating for years.

How old is 18 really? The entire cut off age is a dumb idea.
are both parties consenting? Has puberty occured in both parties? Have the parties been given sex education?

if the answer to all of these is yes. Than i dont see what the big deal is.

Perhaps something along the lines of no more than a 4 year age gap between parties till they reach age of majority?

it's the official stance of the United States that we don't teach sex ed anymore. Only abstinence only for us thank you


The official creepiness formula works for me. Half the highers age + 7. So 20 would be 17. 18 would be 16. I think you can follow this.
 
2013-05-02 06:12:30 PM
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2013-05-02 06:33:06 PM

jst3p: teenage mutant ninja rapist: in north american society women do have it better than men.

lolwut?

This position is batshiat crazy.


Objectively, or in your made up world where nothing has changed since the 1960's?
 
2013-05-02 08:10:28 PM

spiderpaz: jst3p: teenage mutant ninja rapist: in north american society women do have it better than men.

lolwut?

This position is batshiat crazy.

Objectively, or in your made up world where nothing has changed since the 1960's?


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Yeah, it really sucks to be a dude.
 
2013-05-02 08:27:28 PM

jst3p:




(paygap)
http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20 Re port.pdf

However, despite these gains the raw wage gap continues to be used in misleading ways to
advance public policy agendas without fully explaining the reasons behind the gap. The purpose
of this report is to identify the reasons that explain the wage gap in order to more fully inform
policymakers and the public.
The following report prepared by CONSAD Research Corporation presents the results of a
detailed statistical analysis of the attributes that contribute to the wage gap and a synopsis of the
economic research that has been conducted on the issue. The major findings are:
There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the
wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively
account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and
thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent. These variables
include:


Poverty

Poverty rates for males and females are the same throughout childhood, but increase for women during their childbearing years and again in old age. The poverty gap between women and men widens significantly between ages 18 and 24-20.6 percent of women are poor at that age, compared to 14.0 percent of men. The gap narrows, but never closes, throughout adult life, and it more than doubles during the elderly years.

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Now, this source is pretty openly partisan. Next thing would be to compare this data and check how it is calculated.


Federal assistance is more likely to go to women than men (61% vs. 49%);

Hmm. Is that calculated as income for calculating poverty?
Noncash benefits (such as food stamps and housing subsidies) do not count. Food and housing are your biggest expenses when poor. That complicates things.

What about other forms of state benefits that are not calculated in this figure?

A big one i can think of is Medicare - Health care costs are massive and crushing - especially at old age.
Source
Women constitute more than half of the individuals with Medicare. The program is therefore critically important to preserving the health and well-being of our mothers and grandmothers. Because women, on average, are poorer, live longer and have more health care needs than men, Medicare (sometimes combined with Medicaid) potentially plays a greater role for them in preventing illness and destitution. Any changes to the Medicare program that would increase cost-sharing or reduce services would be especially harmful to women, so it is important for women's health and economic well-being that that the Medicare program is protected.

The majority of individuals' receiving Medicare are women.

Women made up 56% of individuals with Medicare in 2010.
Women make up an even larger portion of the oldest Medicare beneficiaries. Women over 80 made up 62% of individuals with Medicare in 2010.


I did this in less than 10 minutes. So some work and do try to compare like for like.

So, we have a gap that widens during the childbearing years, a narrowing of the gap following this time, and a widening of the gap again during the elderly years. So, earning potential that is lost during childbearing years continues to affect women. During old age, when men die earlier than their female counterparts, women also see more poverty. Living without a partner because he is statistically increasingly likely to be dead effects income.



Considering the points of divergence are childbearing years and elderly years, how does federal assistance play into the calculation of poverty? Federal assistance is more likely to go to women than men (61% vs. 49%). Noncash benefits (such as food stamps and housing subsidies) do not count. Considering that food and housing bills are often the largest bills lower income face, this is problem in the calculation of these statistics.

The other large benefit to calculate, and one especially relevant for pregnancy and old age are medical bills. How does Medicare and Medicaid fit into this picture? Apparently, Medicaid benefits are not calculated into poverty. "Money income does not include noncash benefits such as public housing, Medicaid, employer-provided health insurance and food stamps." Moreover, when you look at how much aid is received, this serves to further complicate calculations of poverty if you do not calculate the amount of aid received.

Medicaid provides health insurance coverage to over 60 million low-income and disabled Americans through a partnership between states and the federal government. Nearly 1 in 5 Americans obtain health care coverage through Medicaid.

...

women make up nearly 70 percent of adults on Medicaid. Women make up 69 percent of elderly individuals receiving Medicaid, 53 percent of disabled individuals, and 77 percent of parents. More than one in ten non-elderly women receives their health coverage through the Medicaid program.

..

The high proportion of women on Medicaid is largely a result of the program's historic eligibility rules. As explained earlier, Medicaid eligibility is currently based not just on income, but also personal circumstances. Parents of dependent children, pregnant women, very low-income elderly people, and those with breast and cervical cancer are all eligible for coverage. Women are far more likely to care for dependent children on their own and women live longer and are far more likely to live in poverty in their old age. Eligibility based on pregnancy as well as breast and cervical cancer further increases the proportion of female Medicaid beneficiaries. In addition to being more likely to fit into one of these eligibility categories, women are poorer on average than men. This combination of circumstances has meant Medicaid is an especially important source of coverage for women.




....


Medicaid, the health program for the poor, covers 10% of non-elderly
women.


Large costs incurred by the state that aren't calculated in poverty. This is relevant information, especially how poverty diverges highly at childbearing years and again when elderly.

Now that we've looked at Medicare. What about Medicaid?

Women constitute more than half of the individuals with Medicare. The program is therefore critically important to preserving the health and well-being of our mothers and grandmothers. Because women, on average, are poorer, live longer and have more health care needs than men, Medicare (sometimes combined with Medicaid) potentially plays a greater role for them in preventing illness and destitution. Any changes to the Medicare program that would increase cost-sharing or reduce services would be especially harmful to women, so it is important for women's health and economic well-being that that the Medicare program is protected.

The majority of individuals' receiving Medicare are women.

Women made up 56% of individuals with Medicare in 2010.
Women make up an even larger portion of the oldest Medicare beneficiaries. Women over 80 made up 62% of individuals with Medicare in 2010.

Source


Clearly from looking at these figures, it is not correct to simply look at poverty calculations when they do not calculate significant benefits from the state through important health programs. These health programs cover expensive childbirth and elderly periods when the poverty level is the most divergent. Moreover, this elderly period needs to take into account how men statistically die at younger ages, creating an issue when comparing poverty for the elderly.
 
2013-05-02 08:30:46 PM

jst3p: ,


Now, lets just wait for you to either use tactic

A) Suck it up

B)  "Oh, gosh, my argument was bad.  I want to stop discussing this with you yet keep bringing it up

You're so obtuse as to bring up "men in political power," while you openly mock and deride these issues - as a man.

Gosh, I thought from your worldview men were arguing for male power? What happened?
 
2013-05-02 08:38:34 PM

people: jst3p: ,

Now, lets just wait for you to either use tactic

A) Suck it up

B)  "Oh, gosh, my argument was bad.  I want to stop discussing this with you yet keep bringing it up

You're so obtuse as to bring up "men in political power," while you openly mock and deride these issues - as a man.

Gosh, I thought from your worldview men were arguing for male power? What happened?


Keep fighting the good fight! Someday you will lead our brothers to fair treatment in this system that has men at such huge disadvantages!
 
2013-05-02 08:39:00 PM

jst3p: .


[fortune 500]


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The fallacy of Composition is committed when a conclusion is drawn about a whole based on the features of its constituents when, in fact, no justification provided for the inference.


---


Translation, you are going use a tiny section of men to infer about the entire gender, while ignoring the larger percentage of

people: the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.




Good job on the fallacy of composition.
 
2013-05-02 08:40:33 PM

jst3p: Keep fighting the good fight!


You cant even defend the crap you put up here.  Your arguments are bad and you find them indefensible.
 
2013-05-02 08:41:57 PM

people: jst3p: .

[fortune 500]
----
The fallacy of Composition is committed when a conclusion is drawn about a whole based on the features of its constituents when, in fact, no justification provided for the inference.
---
Translation, you are going use a tiny section of men to infer about the entire gender, while ignoring the larger percentage of people: the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.

Good job on the fallacy of composition.


Sounds to me like there are shiatty things about being a man and shiatty things about being a woman. You seem to want to focus on one set of issues.
 
2013-05-02 08:45:41 PM

people: jst3p: Keep fighting the good fight!

You cant even defend the crap you put up here.  Your arguments are bad and you find them indefensible.


No I don't find this issue one worth putting much effort into. I could be off, but you sound similar to many men I have met who was on the crap end of a divorce or child custody battle. It is pointless debating with someone who's proposition is that in our society women have more benefits than men. There will be no convincing you.
 
2013-05-02 08:48:22 PM

jst3p: Sounds to me like there are shiatty things about being a man and shiatty things about being a woman.


You can just stop there.

Lets bear in mind your positions in this thread, with your bad arguments you recoil from, then baffling use that opportunity to mock.   Any "inference" you made beyond that is baseless and continues this trend of recoil and mock.
 
2013-05-02 08:50:27 PM

people: jst3p: Sounds to me like there are shiatty things about being a man and shiatty things about being a woman.

You can just stop there.

Lets bear in mind your positions in this thread, with your bad arguments you recoil from, then baffling use that opportunity to mock.   Any "inference" you made beyond that is baseless and continues this trend of recoil and mock.


You probably should have gotten a better lawyer for the divorce.
 
2013-05-02 08:50:43 PM

jst3p: No I don't find this issue one worth putting much effort into.


You say that, then hang around putting effort in it with other people.

Look up.  Theres a very big post by you, full of bad arguments.  Strange behavior from someone who doesnt want to put that much effort into it.
 
2013-05-02 08:53:42 PM

jst3p: You probably should have gotten a better lawyer for the divorce.


Happily married.

Its the best sign that the wheels have burned off your argument bus when you have to try to cut at someones family for points.

Pathetic.
 
2013-05-02 08:54:47 PM

people: jst3p: No I don't find this issue one worth putting much effort into.

You say that, then hang around putting effort in it with other people.

Look up.  Theres a very big post by you, full of bad arguments.  Strange behavior from someone who doesnt want to put that much effort into it.


I put more effort into picking out my shirt than I did any posts I made on this topic. I don't view any of the posts I made in this thread as "very big" unless you want to count the one that was almost completely pictures.

I will admit I have a hard time letting things go without getting the last word in, but if you think I put any real effort into the silly notion that women have it better in our society you are mistaken.
 
2013-05-02 08:57:55 PM

jst3p: I will admit I have a hard time letting things go without getting the last word


Sometimes getting the last word in isnt worth it if its as bad as you have done here.

Feel free to have the last word below.  Try not to be embarrassing about it.
 
2013-05-02 09:03:14 PM

people: jst3p: I will admit I have a hard time letting things go without getting the last word

Sometimes getting the last word in isnt worth it if its as bad as you have done here.

Feel free to have the last word below.  Try not to be embarrassing about it.


Here it is. You made the silly statement that women have it better in our society. In reality men have issues and women have issues but these things are not quantifiable and there is no way for you to definitively demonstrate that men are, overall, worse off. I disagree with you, and I think most objective and rational people would, but I can't prove that they don't for the same reasons. It is a silly argument to have considering that regardless of who has it worst has it better than most of the rest of the world. I am not claiming that none of these issues should be examined just that your position, that women have more advantages in our society, is silly.
 
2013-05-02 09:12:05 PM

jst3p: You made the silly statement that women have it better in our society


$10 dollars if you actually find where I said this.

Let me be the one who is actually capable of quoting someone.

jst3p: That isn't what I said, but it is much easier to respond to what you pretend people say than what they said, so you have that going for you.
 
2013-05-02 09:23:22 PM

jst3p: Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging


+

jst3p: In reality men have issues and women have issues but these things are not quantifiable



Gosh. Which is it?  Its not quantifiable or it is absolutely quantifiable.
 
2013-05-02 09:52:39 PM

people: jst3p: You made the silly statement that women have it better in our society

$10 dollars if you actually find where I said this.


My guess would be  jst3p confused you for  teenage mutant ninja rapist (in north american society women do have it better than men) Whatever, sometimes people have a view that is so hard wired it's like that of pro-life or pro-choice activists, and since I have never ever seen one of those change their opinion no matter what, I figure it's pointless debating them. If males have it so bad, it would be best to get democracy to work for you rather than blather away on the internet.  Target Builder already said it:  What men really need to do is organize to vote more males into government so they can get better representation of their interests.
 
2013-05-02 10:03:12 PM

Nidiot: My guess would be  jst3p confused you

 jst3p

  is confused about long list of things

Nidiot: Target Builder already said it:


What did  Target Builder say, other than make a logical fallacy?  Its a bad argument.  Many men champion the "suck it up" gender stereotype.  You can clearly see it from the person making the argument.  Why on earth would you find citing this argument to be compelling?
 
2013-05-02 10:04:07 PM

God-is-a-Taco: "Hey mom, we're legion now!"  herp derp


I was out doing something else and, hours later, I suddenly got this joke. ...I'm not legion so it took me a while.
 
2013-05-02 10:31:25 PM

people: What did  Target Builder say, other than make a logical fallacy?  Its a bad argument.  Many men champion the "suck it up" gender stereotype.  You can clearly see it from the person making the argument.  Why on earth would you find citing this argument to be compelling?


It's what you are supposed to do if you see an issue with the society you live in, bring the issue to the attention of the person who represents you in a position of power. If the person currently representing you doesn't care to accept your issue as valid, you are free to find someone else who does, but they will still require enough voter support to get them into the position of power.

If not enough support is there, or you cannot find someone who will support your issue in the first place, your chosen issue itself may have a problem, more than everyone else being the problem.

Perhaps all the many men currently in power, voted in by all the men in the voting population, don't see men as suffering unduly from gender inequality because they are all, what? Mad? Stupid? Ignorant? (If it is ignorance, then it is your duty to point out the problems they are missing to them, not us.) Or maybe, just maybe, there isn't really a such dramatic problem in the first place.
 
2013-05-02 10:44:06 PM

Nidiot: Perhaps all the many men currently in power, voted in by all the men in the voting population, don't see men as suffering unduly from gender inequality because they are all, what? Mad? Stupid? Ignorant?


Have you seen the responses you get when these issues are brought up?

Absolutely vicious.  Many times its from men themselves whove been conditioned in their gender roles.  People call it "white knighting," but I find the term woefully crude.   Earl Silverman was an advocate.   Its suggested that he recently took his own life in order to draw poltical attention as a last resort.
 
2013-05-03 02:58:36 AM

jst3p: EvilEgg: And here I was thinking that "I thought she was eighteen" wasn't a defense.

/turns out I was right, but "I thought he was eighteen" evidently is.

Haven't read the thread so this may have been covered, but it varies (in the US) by state. In some states, like Florida, you could have met her in a bar, seen her fake ID and get a sworn statement from her parents that she was 18. If you bang her and she is 16 you go to jail.

In most states if a reasonable person would have reason to believe she is 18+ you are cool.


It's the same way in Canada.

CSB: When I was in university one of my classmates had to do most of his homework at the university or one of our apartments because he had the stereotypical fresh out of high-school party animal roommate. One weekend his roommate goes to the bar, meets yet another lonely girl and takes her home for some sex. He makes her breakfast, gives her a ride in his car the next morning and drops her off where she asks him to. A couple months later he gets a court summons delivered to him. Apparently that girl he farked was 13, used a fake id to get into the bar and is also pregnant. (Age of consent was 14 at this time).

So he's sweating bullets thinking he's going to jail for life. He shows up and the judge drops the statutory rape charges as she was already in the bar and drinking when he met her. The judge told him that, if a paternity test showed the baby was indeed his, he'd have to pay child support. But considering the alternative was going to jail he was pretty happy with just that.
 
2013-05-03 03:53:54 AM
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2013-05-03 11:52:22 AM

jst3p: spiderpaz: jst3p: teenage mutant ninja rapist: in north american society women do have it better than men.

lolwut?

This position is batshiat crazy.

Objectively, or in your made up world where nothing has changed since the 1960's?

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Yeah, it really sucks to be a dude.


Cherry picking without context, nice.

I especially like the poverty rates one that coincides with men dying sooner and at much higher rates.

Why don't you look up incarceration rates.  Or CURRENT college enrollment rates.  Or homeless rates.

Or just look at 90% of the family court cases out there where paternal rights are thrown out the windows.  Or any of the cases out there where guys are paying for some OTHER guy's kid his wife cheated on him with.

And more so, when men are discriminated against, they're just about the only group that gets mocked (like you're doing) for speaking out about it.
 
2013-05-03 11:54:25 AM

jst3p: Sounds to me like there are shiatty things about being a man and shiatty things about being a woman. You seem to want to focus on one set of issues.


No it seems like he just wants to be able to bring up either, instead of only being able to bring up disadvantages of women and being mocked if he mentions any of the bad things that happen to men.
 
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