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(Newcastle Herald (Australia))   A 39 year old setting up a party house to lure underage teens in with drugs and booze with the intent of banging underage kids gets off again. This time in court   (theherald.com.au) divider line 181
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2013-05-02 11:12:54 AM
And here I was thinking that "I thought she was eighteen" wasn't a defense.

/turns out I was right, but "I thought he was eighteen" evidently is.
 
2013-05-02 11:58:25 AM
Why do these older women want guys in their teens?  They suck at sex, they always talk, and other than the fact they get hard when the wind blows...what's the benefit.  Compare that to a bunch of guys in their 20's likely wouldn't talk about it, would be better in bed, and would be happy to service her without strings.
 
2013-05-02 11:59:32 AM
She......case closed.
 
2013-05-02 12:03:25 PM

ChipNASA: She......case closed.


Came here for this, leaving vaguely disgusted.

/Australia, so it's hard to attribute American biases here, but still...
 
2013-05-02 12:04:06 PM
 multiple sexual encounters in her bathroom and toilet,

Wut?
 
2013-05-02 12:04:09 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that women who do this were "unpopular" when they were in high school. Maybe they were the awkward nerdy girls that the footballers never paid attention to. I bet it has something to do with a repressed sexuality and a desire to feel attractive to young men.
 
2013-05-02 12:04:57 PM
A cum dumpster handing out booze and weed with her own place.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16?!?!?!
 
2013-05-02 12:05:45 PM

EvilEgg: And here I was thinking that "I thought she was eighteen" wasn't a defense.

/turns out I was right, but "I thought he was eighteen" evidently is.


Anymore, you've got to ask for 2 forms of id and document that you asked. Even then; if your unlucky, you get to go to Leavenworth.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 12:06:45 PM

ChipNASA: She......case closed.


LOL. Precisely!
 
2013-05-02 12:07:30 PM
I bet they have some funny way of saying BJ in Australlia.
 
2013-05-02 12:08:23 PM

mdeesnuts: A cum dumpster handing out booze and weed with her own place.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16?!?!?!


My thought exactly.
 
2013-05-02 12:08:26 PM

arbitterm: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that women who do this were "unpopular" when they were in high school. Maybe they were the awkward nerdy girls that the footballers never paid attention to. I bet it has something to do with a repressed sexuality and a desire to feel attractive to young men.


Then, they took their hair out of the bun, took off their glasses hooked up with the star athlete and gave the beej to three teens in a row. Classic story.
 
2013-05-02 12:09:43 PM
Hey, I'm 39. This works? Hot dog. Midlife crisis, here I come!

Oh wait...I'm a dude. Goddammit.
 
2013-05-02 12:10:15 PM
Was She Hot??
/had to be said.
 
2013-05-02 12:10:49 PM

slayer199: Why do these older women want guys in their teens?  They suck at sex, they always talk, and other than the fact they get hard when the wind blows...what's the benefit.  Compare that to a bunch of guys in their 20's likely wouldn't talk about it, would be better in bed, and would be happy to service her without strings.


Need to know what she looks like.

Teen boys have to compete for girls their own age with guys in their 20s, so their standards are lower.  Guys in their 20s have lots of options.  Sex-starved teen boys are the easiest marks for cougars.
 
2013-05-02 12:11:55 PM

arbitterm: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that women who do this were "unpopular" when they were in high school. Maybe they were the awkward nerdy girls that the footballers never paid attention to. I bet it has something to do with a repressed sexuality and a desire to feel attractive to young men.


I always interpreted this the other way around, as the female version of "peaked at 17". She was popular, or at least believed that was the best part of her life, maybe found adulthood too full of compromises and disappointments, and is now trying to relive it because she can't quite make a life she's willing to accept with adults.
 
2013-05-02 12:12:36 PM
I feel horrible that as a teenager I was thankful for these types of desperate gift-bearing she-creepazoids.
 
2013-05-02 12:14:58 PM
'I'm like a happy person, so part of me is like in shock, part of me is flattered, part of me is thinking it's funny, and part of me is considering it.''
 
2013-05-02 12:15:31 PM

freewill: arbitterm: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that women who do this were "unpopular" when they were in high school. Maybe they were the awkward nerdy girls that the footballers never paid attention to. I bet it has something to do with a repressed sexuality and a desire to feel attractive to young men.

I always interpreted this the other way around, as the female version of "peaked at 17". She was popular, or at least believed that was the best part of her life, maybe found adulthood too full of compromises and disappointments, and is now trying to relive it because she can't quite make a life she's willing to accept with adults.


Or maybe she's just horny.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 12:16:02 PM

brap: I feel horrible that as a teenager I was thankful for these types of desperate gift-bearing she-creepazoids.


YOU GOT GIFTS?
/dammitsomuch
//all i got was a "hurry up thats my husbands car i hear", and some help exiting through the bedroom window
 
2013-05-02 12:17:54 PM

Carn: mdeesnuts: A cum dumpster handing out booze and weed with her own place.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16?!?!?!

My thought exactly.


Sheeeeit. Then and now.
 
2013-05-02 12:18:07 PM

slayer199: Why do these older women want guys in their teens?  They suck at sex, they always talk, and other than the fact they get hard when the wind blows...what's the benefit.  Compare that to a bunch of guys in their 20's likely wouldn't talk about it, would be better in bed, and would be happy to service her without strings.


Even us in our early 30s-late 20s will be happy to oblige.
 
2013-05-02 12:18:38 PM
EvilEgg: And here I was thinking that "I thought she was eighteen" wasn't a defense.

/turns out I was right, but "I thought he was eighteen" evidently is.


Its not a defense as far as the letter of the law and the prosecutor is concerned. It MAY work at trial as a defense depending on the quality of your lawyer and the jury you get.
 
2013-05-02 12:18:40 PM
I read the headline as "39 year old setting up panty hose...". Twice. I'll be over here getting coffee.
 
2013-05-02 12:19:18 PM

fozziewazzi: Or maybe she's just horny.


Incomplete theory. The puzzling part isn't that she's borking a bunch of dudes, it's that she's borking a bunch of adolescent kids.

Just about any woman, even a rather...undesirable one...could easily arrange this with people who actually know what they're doing and won't get her arrested. Instead she's targeting teenagers and is creeping them out with her fixation, even by the usually somewhat creepy standards of teenage relationships.

It takes a special kind of personality to want to stay in your teens as long as possible.
 
2013-05-02 12:19:32 PM

Hot Carl To Go: Carn: mdeesnuts: A cum dumpster handing out booze and weed with her own place.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16?!?!?!

My thought exactly.

Sheeeeit. Then and now.


Ok, also that.
 
2013-05-02 12:19:46 PM
Wow, not surprised, i expect worse and more of this kind of shiat.
 
2013-05-02 12:19:52 PM

mdeesnuts: A cum dumpster handing out booze and weed with her own place.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16?!?!?!


I had access to one when I was 16.  I masturbated.
 
2013-05-02 12:20:37 PM

FormlessOne: ChipNASA: She......case closed.

Came here for this, leaving vaguely disgusted.

/Australia, so it's hard to attribute American biases here, but still...


It's all western countries now bro.
 
2013-05-02 12:21:08 PM

freewill: It takes a special kind of personality to want to stay in your teens as long as possible.


www.redeemedgirl.org
 
2013-05-02 12:22:12 PM
Since its a woman, there will be no lynch mobs and calls for violent rape fantasies for the offender.
 
2013-05-02 12:23:42 PM

darth_badger: I bet they have some funny way of saying BJ in Australlia

walla walla.....

 
2013-05-02 12:26:04 PM

EvilEgg: And here I was thinking that "I thought she was eighteen" wasn't a defense.

/turns out I was right, but "I thought he was eighteen" evidently is.


I don't think "I thought they were eighteen" is a valid defense but "they told me they were eighteen" is.
 
2013-05-02 12:26:05 PM
Shouldn't this have the "Hero" tag?
 
2013-05-02 12:26:44 PM

fozziewazzi: I always interpreted this the other way around, as the female version of "peaked at 17". She was popular, or at least believed that was the best part of her life, maybe found adulthood too full of compromises and disappointments, and is now trying to relive it because she can't quite make a life she's willing to accept with adults.

Or maybe she's just horny.



Now that you put it that way, I can see how that would be the case.
 
2013-05-02 12:28:31 PM
I hope there's counseling available for the people she preyed upon.
 
2013-05-02 12:29:13 PM

Carn: mdeesnuts: A cum dumpster handing out booze and weed with her own place.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16?!?!?!

My thought exactly.


I can't share that thought without pics
 
2013-05-02 12:29:21 PM

FormlessOne: ChipNASA: She......case closed.

Came here for this, leaving vaguely disgusted.

/Australia, so it's hard to attribute American biases here, but still...


The US is pretty strict and inflexible in enforcement of age of consent laws compared to a lot of western countries. Prosecution guidelines in the UK are, or were, along the lines of "We're really busy over here in the courthouse so don't waste our time on some dumbass whose girlfriend is a few months shy of her birthday unless there are other aggravating factors involved"
 
2013-05-02 12:31:40 PM
I have to agree, if it was a man with teenage girls, he would have ended up in prison.  Not cool.   Sorry to see that happens outside the US too.

That being said, I want both men and women to do some time for that.  No one over 18 should be doing high school kids.
 
2013-05-02 12:34:13 PM

Target Builder: FormlessOne: ChipNASA: She......case closed.

Came here for this, leaving vaguely disgusted.

/Australia, so it's hard to attribute American biases here, but still...

The US is pretty strict and inflexible in enforcement of age of consent laws compared to a lot of western countries. Prosecution guidelines in the UK are, or were, along the lines of "We're really busy over here in the courthouse so don't waste our time on some dumbass whose girlfriend is a few months shy of her birthday unless there are other aggravating factors involved"


Just curious, where is the eastern/western line?
 
2013-05-02 12:34:35 PM

darth_badger: I bet they have some funny way of saying BJ in Australlia.


It would be a bjozzie or something like that.

They tend to just add a 'zzie' or a 'zzie'  to the end of it - mozzie, prozzie, aussie - which really isn't that funny
 
2013-05-02 12:36:01 PM
... or a 'ssie'
 
2013-05-02 12:37:53 PM
I rememba sista Maggie, breast were kinda saggy,
Used to sell me buddah outta farked up little baggies,
Honey'd up a twenty even when I had no money,
She said "Pay me back with some mackin' dick Sonny"
 
2013-05-02 12:39:49 PM
I also need photographic evidence before I can determine how outraged and/or aroused I should be.
 
2013-05-02 12:41:32 PM

slayer199: Why do these older women want guys in their teens?


Power, or rather their lack of it.
It's a big reason as to why it's punished so harshly when men do it to young girls.
But, yeah, women are angels and those kids deserved it because of privilege or something.
 
2013-05-02 12:43:15 PM
No video?
 
2013-05-02 12:45:25 PM

slayer199: Why do these older women want guys in their teens? They suck at sex, they always talk, and other than the fact they get hard when the wind blows...what's the benefit

. Compare that to a bunch of guys in their 20's likely wouldn't talk about it, would be better in bed, and would be happy to service her without strings.

I'd imagine it's an ego trip.  The boys have hard-ons because they're effin' teenagers, but by surrounding herself with boners she can convince herself that she's still got her groove.  The default for crazy women is attention whore.  She's not drawing attention to have sex; she's having sex for the attention.

She probably can't score with the twentysomethings anymore, unless you're talking about Forever Alones, but given the choice she'd rather bask in the attention of teenagers.

arbitterm: I wouldn't be surprised to find out that women who do this were "unpopular" when they were in high school. Maybe they were the awkward nerdy girls that the footballers never paid attention to. I bet it has something to do with a repressed sexuality and a desire to feel attractive to young men.


Eh?  If they don't become obese, a lot of "unpopular" girls in high school are just late bloomers, and nerdy girls these days have no problems getting laid -- if they ever did.  Obviously this woman has issues that go well beyond just self-esteem, but as long as we're speculating, I'd bet my money that the best years of her life were when she was the Class President and Prom Queen at 16.  Now that she's getting old and not the center of attention anymore and never applied herself, she wants to re-live her high school days.  Something like that, anyway.
 
2013-05-02 12:48:36 PM
images.theage.com.au
Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

/oooooooooo
 
2013-05-02 12:51:58 PM

legion_of_doo: I also need photographic evidence before I can determine how outraged and/or aroused I should be.

 
2013-05-02 12:53:59 PM
Where were these women when I was a teen?
 
2013-05-02 12:55:00 PM

EvilEgg: And here I was thinking that "I thought she was eighteen" wasn't a defense.

/turns out I was right, but "I thought he was eighteen" evidently is.


Haven't read the thread so this may have been covered, but it varies (in the US) by state. In some states, like Florida, you could have met her in a bar, seen her fake ID and get a sworn statement from her parents that she was 18. If you bang her and she is 16 you go to jail.

In most states if a reasonable person would have reason to believe she is 18+ you are cool.
 
2013-05-02 12:55:26 PM
"The woman, 39, who cannot be identified "

Why the hell can't she be identified?

/I mean besides all the jizz on her face.
 
2013-05-02 12:56:08 PM

Cormee: darth_badger: I bet they have some funny way of saying BJ in Australlia.

It would be a bjozzie or something like that.

They tend to just add a 'zzie' or a 'zzie'  to the end of it - mozzie, prozzie, aussie - which really isn't that funny


I had sex with a cute Aussie blonde once, she called it "Shrimp on the Barbie".


/not really
 
2013-05-02 12:58:13 PM
I thought this movie starred Luke Wilson, not some Australian lady.
 
2013-05-02 12:58:29 PM

freewill: It takes a special kind of personality to want to stay in your teens as long as possible.


Yes, and they're all pathetic losers...

upload.wikimedia.org

www.biography.com
 
2013-05-02 12:59:20 PM

karmaceutical: I rememba sista Maggie, breast were kinda saggy,
Used to sell me buddah outta farked up little baggies,
Honey'd up a twenty even when I had no money,
She said "Pay me back with some mackin' dick Sonny"


I always thought it was latin dick. You know, because B-Real is Mexican.
 
2013-05-02 01:00:03 PM

squibbits: Where were these women when I was a teen?


Humping your more optimistic peers.
 
2013-05-02 01:02:18 PM

CJHardin: The US is pretty strict and inflexible in enforcement of age of consent laws compared to a lot of western countries. Prosecution guidelines in the UK are, or were, along the lines of "We're really busy over here in the courthouse so don't waste our time on some dumbass whose girlfriend is a few months shy of her birthday unless there are other aggravating factors involved"

Just curious, where is the eastern/western line?


"Western" and "white" start with the same letter.
 
2013-05-02 01:05:01 PM

BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.


So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"
 
2013-05-02 01:05:33 PM

skankboy: "The woman, 39, who cannot be identified "

Why the hell can't she be identified?

/I mean besides all the jizz on her face.


Because some countries actually believe in "innocent until proven guilty."
 
2013-05-02 01:06:54 PM

mike_d85: mdeesnuts: A cum dumpster handing out booze and weed with her own place.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16?!?!?!

I had access to one when I was 16.  I masturbated.


We're not talking about your mom


;)
 
2013-05-02 01:07:04 PM

people: BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.

So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"


When people talk about "Western culture" one rarely hears anything about Central and South America.
 
2013-05-02 01:07:08 PM

crzybtch: No one over 18 should be doing high school kids.


Because high school kids are such angels that they'd never hurt each other?  What's a teen going to gain by being coerced into sex with booze n' drugs by a 17-year-old instead of a 39-year-old?  Not that I advocate borking adolescents, but this has less to do with any sort of arbitrary age cut-off and more to do with how society deals with sex -- which is to say, America and Australia are competing with the Middle Ages.  By the time some 39-year-old has set up parties with booze & drugs with adolescents in tow, we've already all missed a chance to do anything meaningful about it.  Sure we can punish the pedo and maybe we should, but does that really strike anyone as a good means of preventing this sort of thing from happening again??

The law isn't good at protecting teenagers from being used for sex.  It never was, and while I do know some people who were traumatized by adults as teens, I know just as many (then) teens who were traumatized by other teens.  When someone is hurt I really don't give a rat's ass how old the perpetrator is, and to a certain extent the victim's age isn't all that important either.  Hurt is hurt.  Heck, I know one woman who was traumatized by sex at 20 because she just wasn't ready for it and got into an abusive relationship -- so much for age being some super-magical field of protection against sexual assault.  Emotionally, she might as well have been 13.  Maybe she's an exception, but she's still a victim.  What protects teens (and adults for that matter) are education and support, but god forbid you actually give a teenager a candid answer to a question about sex -- everyone will think you're a creep.

If teens are given all the information, support and communication they need to protect themselves, they'll be fine.  It grind my gears when people avoid this and focus on the perps because when kids are left to float in a vacuum of curiosity, they're going to get those answers from anyone willing to talk to them about it.  As a society, are we sure you want to leave this sort of thing to chance?  On the flip side, it just might turn out that some 16-year-old boy given all the education and support in the world will decide to fark a cougar anyway, but the difference between an informed decision and a manipulated one will dictate whether it's a fond memory or source of never-ending shame.
 
2013-05-02 01:08:34 PM

blatz514: multiple sexual encounters in her bathroom and toilet,

Wut?


1.bp.blogspot.com
Shares her toilet with a teenage boy.
 
2013-05-02 01:08:36 PM

freewill: fozziewazzi: Or maybe she's just horny.

Incomplete theory. The puzzling part isn't that she's borking a bunch of dudes, it's that she's borking a bunch of adolescent kids.

Just about any woman, even a rather...undesirable one...could easily arrange this with people who actually know what they're doing and won't get her arrested. Instead she's targeting teenagers and is creeping them out with her fixation, even by the usually somewhat creepy standards of teenage relationships.

It takes a special kind of personality to want to stay in your teens as long as possible.


Or to want teens to stay in you...
 
2013-05-02 01:08:43 PM

mdeesnuts: A cum dumpster handing out booze and weed with her own place.

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS 16?!?!?!


Australia?
 
2013-05-02 01:09:08 PM

BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.

So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"

When people talk about "Western culture" one rarely hears anything about Central and South America.


One rarely hears anything about the Middle East, either, even though the US defines Arabs as white.  You are going to need a better argument than "w."
 
2013-05-02 01:10:11 PM

BarkingUnicorn: skankboy: "The woman, 39, who cannot be identified "

Why the hell can't she be identified?

/I mean besides all the jizz on her face.

Because some countries actually believe in "innocent until proven guilty."


If this was a guy, would his identity be held secret?
 
2013-05-02 01:11:39 PM

mdeesnuts: karmaceutical: I rememba sista Maggie, breast were kinda saggy,
Used to sell me buddah outta farked up little baggies,
Honey'd up a twenty even when I had no money,
She said "Pay me back with some mackin' dick Sonny"

I always thought it was latin dick. You know, because B-Real is Mexican.


It could be... I copy pasta'd from some sketchy lyrics site that looked like it was transcribed by a korean bath salts addict.  I had to make some corrections from memory.
 
2013-05-02 01:11:43 PM

people: BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.

So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"

When people talk about "Western culture" one rarely hears anything about Central and South America.

One rarely hears anything about the Middle East, either, even though the US defines Arabs as white.  You are going to need a better argument than "w."


OK.  "European" and "eastern" start with the same letter.
 
2013-05-02 01:11:50 PM

Cormee: darth_badger: I bet they have some funny way of saying BJ in Australlia.

It would be a bjozzie or something like that.

They tend to just add a 'zzie' or a 'zzie'  to the end of it - mozzie, prozzie, aussie - which really isn't that funny

th122.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-02 01:12:08 PM

dragonchild: Eh?  If they don't become obese, a lot of "unpopular" girls in high school are just late bloomers, and nerdy girls these days have no problems getting laid -- if they ever did.  Obviously this woman has issues that go well beyond just self-esteem, but as long as we're speculating, I'd bet my money that the best years of her life were when she was the Class President and Prom Queen at 16.  Now that she's getting old and not the center of attention anymore and never applied herself, she wants to re-live her high school days.  Something like that, anyway.


Stacy's mom has got it going on, but she seems to be stuck in 1985...

Debbie just hit the wall, she never had it all
One Prozac a day, husband's a CPA
Her dreams went out the door
When she turned twenty-four
Only been with one man
What happened to her plan

She was gonna be an actress
She was gonna be a star
She was gonna shake her ass
On the hood of White Snake's car
Her yellow SUV is now the enemy
Looks at her average life
And nothing has been alright

Since Bruce Springsteen, Madonna
Way before Nirvana
There was U2 and Blondie
And music still on MTV
Her two kids in high school
They tell her that she's uncool
Cause she's still preoccupied
With 19, 19, 1985
 
2013-05-02 01:13:45 PM

people: BarkingUnicorn: skankboy: "The woman, 39, who cannot be identified "

Why the hell can't she be identified?

/I mean besides all the jizz on her face.

Because some countries actually believe in "innocent until proven guilty."

If this was a guy, would his identity be held secret?


Unless Australia has sex discrimination written into its laws.  Note that TFA says the woman "cannot" be identified, not "is not being identified."
 
2013-05-02 01:14:17 PM

gja: brap: I feel horrible that as a teenager I was thankful for these types of desperate gift-bearing she-creepazoids.

YOU GOT GIFTS?
/dammitsomuch
//all i got was a "hurry up thats my husbands car i hear", and some help exiting through the bedroom window


Oh you are so full of shiat. How'd you get out the second story window?
 
2013-05-02 01:15:46 PM

BarkingUnicorn: OK.  "European" and "eastern" start with the same letter.


Emmenagogue
 
2013-05-02 01:18:02 PM
Isn't the fact that she sent her daughter to school with a note for this boy implicit admission that she knew he was a minor?
 
2013-05-02 01:18:23 PM

CygnusDarius: slayer199: Why do these older women want guys in their teens?  They suck at sex, they always talk, and other than the fact they get hard when the wind blows...what's the benefit.  Compare that to a bunch of guys in their 20's likely wouldn't talk about it, would be better in bed, and would be happy to service her without strings.

Even us in our early 30s-late 20s will be happy to oblige.


And those of us her age actually know what we're doing.
 
2013-05-02 01:21:31 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Unless Australia has sex discrimination written into its laws.  Note that TFA says the woman "cannot" be identified, not "is not being identified."



Let me spend one minute on google


A South Australian man accused of sexually assaulting and threatening a Swedish backpacker at a Perth hostel has been remanded in custody.

Ivan James Williams, 37, was charged with two counts

---

Australian man charged with sexually assaulting a woman....Jefry Sutjito, 24, of King Street in Melbourne, Australia, (with pic)

---

A Delta, B.C., man accused of sexual assaults against children has been spotted in Australia.
Jamieson Richard Glendinning

---

A 93-year-old Australian man accused of...Karl Joseph Kraus


/went a touch over. Accused men's names = published. Women. Not so much.
 
2013-05-02 01:24:23 PM

spiderpaz: Isn't the fact that she sent her daughter to school with a note for this boy implicit admission that she knew he was a minor?


18 and, in cases of some people, 19 year olds still attend school.
 
2013-05-02 01:25:56 PM

BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.

So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"

When people talk about "Western culture" one rarely hears anything about Central and South America.


Do South and Central American people consider themselves Western? I always assumed they had their own thing going on. I googled it and the first page Bing churned out was Stormfront... so I gave it a miss.
 
2013-05-02 01:26:48 PM

people: BarkingUnicorn: Unless Australia has sex discrimination written into its laws.  Note that TFA says the woman "cannot" be identified, not "is not being identified."


Let me spend one minute on google
A South Australian man accused of sexually assaulting and threatening a Swedish backpacker at a Perth hostel has been remanded in custody.

Ivan James Williams, 37, was charged with two counts

---

Australian man charged with sexually assaulting a woman....Jefry Sutjito, 24, of King Street in Melbourne, Australia, (with pic)

---

A Delta, B.C., man accused of sexual assaults against children has been spotted in Australia.
Jamieson Richard Glendinning

---

A 93-year-old Australian man accused of...Karl Joseph Kraus

/went a touch over. Accused men's names = published. Women. Not so much.


I am too lazy to google it out but perhaps the laws vary from province (or state, whatever they have)? I highly doubt the law allows men to be identified and women not to be under the same circumstances.
 
2013-05-02 01:27:41 PM

Target Builder: Do South and Central American people consider themselves Western?


You might want to check if their name starts with a W.
 
2013-05-02 01:30:01 PM

BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.

So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"

When people talk about "Western culture" one rarely hears anything about Central and South America.


i2.kym-cdn.com
>Argentina
>white
 
2013-05-02 01:31:10 PM

people: Target Builder: Do South and Central American people consider themselves Western?

You might want to check if their name starts with a W.


Considering "W" only appears in Romance languages as part of loan words....
 
2013-05-02 01:32:45 PM
The whole age-of-consent thing is an oversimplification.  Find out if any harm was done and prosecute it.

"No, I loved it and I'm perfectly fine."  No charges.
"I didn't want to." Rape.
"He/she wouldn't let me end it." Harassment, stalking.
"It hurt."  Assault and battery.
"I'm having nightmares."  Civil matter, although we could criminalize it

I'll bet investigators, including jealous* parents and envious peers, harm quite a few minors who otherwise would be perfectly fine.

* By "jealous" I mean, "mine, don't touch," not "I wish I could fark my kid."  The latter is envy of someone who did.
 
2013-05-02 01:36:40 PM

Target Builder: BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.

So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"

When people talk about "Western culture" one rarely hears anything about Central and South America.

Do South and Central American people consider themselves Western? I always assumed they had their own thing going on. I googled it and the first page Bing churned out was Stormfront... so I gave it a miss.


If Canada is America's hat and Florida is America's wang.

What is Latin America?
 
2013-05-02 01:37:39 PM

spiderpaz: Isn't the fact that she sent her daughter to school with a note for this boy implicit admission that she knew he was a minor?


No.  High schoolers over age 18 are not uncommon.  Whether a reasonable and prudent person would have assumed he might be a minor and checked his ID a question the court has to decide.
 
2013-05-02 01:37:45 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Cormee: darth_badger: I bet they have some funny way of saying BJ in Australlia.

It would be a bjozzie or something like that.

They tend to just add a 'zzie' or a 'zzie'  to the end of it - mozzie, prozzie, aussie - which really isn't that funny


Wouldn't it be more upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-05-02 01:39:27 PM

Target Builder: BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.

So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"

When people talk about "Western culture" one rarely hears anything about Central and South America.

Do South and Central American people consider themselves Western? I always assumed they had their own thing going on. I googled it and the first page Bing churned out was Stormfront... so I gave it a miss.


IDK.  I can't recall any discussions of western vs. eastern cultures coming out of South and Central Americans.
 
2013-05-02 01:39:54 PM

jst3p: I am too lazy to google it out but perhaps the laws vary from province (or state, whatever they have)? I highly doubt the law allows men to be identified and women not to be under the same circumstances.


First google hit. Same city even.
A New South Wales man, accused of trapping and sexually abusing a young boy at his Central Coast home at the weekend, has denied the allegations.
36-year-old Kwai Newman


Gender imbalances are patently obvious in the courts. Most of the prisoners are male. Why is that?
US?
A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court.

The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.

Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.

Other research has found evidence of the same gender gap, though Starr asserts that the disparity is actually larger than previously suspected because other studies haven't looked at the role of plea bargains and other pre-sentencing steps in the criminal justice system.


Just recently, two stories came out in the same UK news outlet (BBC) on gender and prison. They went something like this
Male prisoners in England and Wales must work harder for privileges such as TVs in cells, the government has said.

Inmates will be made to wear a uniform during their first two weeks in jail and their access to private cash to call home will be restricted.

----

Community sentences in England and Wales are to be made more "female friendly" in an effort to keep women out of prison.
..
She says "vulnerable" women offenders need help to break the cycle of crime and abuse many of them face.
 
2013-05-02 01:40:26 PM
This thread is useless without pics...
t3.gstatic.com


Obv she is going to be Fark Hot, but still, I need to gauge this vacuum cleaner so I can justify not to be jealous of those boys.
 
2013-05-02 01:41:33 PM

jst3p: I am too lazy to google it out but perhaps the laws vary from province (or state, whatever they have)? I highly doubt the law allows men to be identified and women not to be under the same circumstances.


Perhaps an Aussie attorney will rescue us.
 
2013-05-02 01:42:56 PM

people: jst3p: I am too lazy to google it out but perhaps the laws vary from province (or state, whatever they have)? I highly doubt the law allows men to be identified and women not to be under the same circumstances.

First google hit. Same city even. A New South Wales man, accused of trapping and sexually abusing a young boy at his Central Coast home at the weekend, has denied the allegations.
36-year-old Kwai Newman

Gender imbalances are patently obvious in the courts. Most of the prisoners are male. Why is that? US?
A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court.

The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.

Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.

Other research has found evidence of the same gender gap, though Starr asserts that the disparity is actually larger than previously suspected because other studies haven't looked at the role of plea bargains and other pre-sentencing steps in the criminal justice system.

Just recently, two stories came out in the same UK news outlet (BBC) on gender and prison. They went something like thisMale prisoners in England and Wales must work harder for privileges such as TVs in cells, the government has said.

Inmates will be made to wear a uniform during their first two weeks in jail and their access to private cash to call home will be restricted.

----

Community sentences in England and Wales are to be made more "female friendly" in an effort to keep women out of prison.
..
She says "vulnerable" women offenders need help to break the cycle of crime and abuse many of them face.


OK, you got me. We men have it so rough in society. Historically this has always been the case.
 
2013-05-02 01:43:00 PM

BarkingUnicorn: spiderpaz: Isn't the fact that she sent her daughter to school with a note for this boy implicit admission that she knew he was a minor?

No.  High schoolers over age 18 are not uncommon.  Whether a reasonable and prudent person would have assumed he might be a minor and checked his ID a question the court has to decide.


Also, the age of consent in New South Wales is 16.
 
2013-05-02 01:43:32 PM

BarkingUnicorn: jst3p: I am too lazy to google it out but perhaps the laws vary from province (or state, whatever they have)? I highly doubt the law allows men to be identified and women not to be under the same circumstances.

Perhaps an Aussie attorney will rescue us.


I am hoping so, there has to be more to it than codified gender bias.
 
2013-05-02 01:43:46 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps an Aussie attorney will rescue us.


First google hit in the same town.  Name right there when it was male.
 
2013-05-02 01:46:58 PM

spiderpaz: Isn't the fact that she sent her daughter to school with a note for this boy implicit admission that she knew he was a minor?


Maybe not, but buying cigarettes for them sure does.
 
2013-05-02 01:47:33 PM

jst3p: OK, you got me


jst3p: We men have it so rough in society.



Well, there are issues that people don't cover, ranging from males encompassing the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.
 
2013-05-02 01:48:26 PM
I left out a few.  Family court is a big glaring point of gendered bias.
 
2013-05-02 01:48:44 PM

people: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps an Aussie attorney will rescue us.

First google hit in the same town.  Name right there when it was male.


Maybe we need an Aussie grammarian.  "Cannot" may not mean what it does here.
 
2013-05-02 01:49:49 PM

people: I left out a few.  Family court is a big glaring point of gendered bias.


That's OK, we weren't talking about gender bias anyhow.
 
2013-05-02 01:49:55 PM
But a man would be guilty for not verifying ID and long form birth certificate. Nice.
 
2013-05-02 01:50:13 PM

people: jst3p: OK, you got me

jst3p: We men have it so rough in society.


Well, there are issues that people don't cover, ranging from males encompassing the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.


Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging and thus the plight of the male is given less priority? If I have a hangnail and a broken leg I am going to worry about the hangnail later.
 
2013-05-02 01:52:01 PM

mdeesnuts: If Canada is America's hat and Florida is America's wang.

What is Latin America?


Brown.
 
2013-05-02 01:52:17 PM

mdeesnuts: Target Builder: BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: "Western" and "white" start with the same letter.

So does "wapenshaw" and "whifflery"

When people talk about "Western culture" one rarely hears anything about Central and South America.

Do South and Central American people consider themselves Western? I always assumed they had their own thing going on. I googled it and the first page Bing churned out was Stormfront... so I gave it a miss.

If Canada is America's hat and Florida is America's wang.

What is Latin America?


Dingleberry.
 
2013-05-02 01:52:51 PM
Goddamit, here come the butthurt MRAs like ants to a picnic!
 
2013-05-02 01:53:19 PM

BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps an Aussie attorney will rescue us.

First google hit in the same town.  Name right there when it was male.

Maybe we need an Aussie grammarian.  "Cannot" may not mean what it does here.


Do you need more google hits?
 
2013-05-02 01:54:05 PM

people: BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps an Aussie attorney will rescue us.

First google hit in the same town.  Name right there when it was male.

Maybe we need an Aussie grammarian.  "Cannot" may not mean what it does here.

Do you need more google hits?


More anecdotes aren't going to be helpful, someone who understands the relevant statutes would be.
 
2013-05-02 01:54:32 PM

people: BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps an Aussie attorney will rescue us.

First google hit in the same town.  Name right there when it was male.

Maybe we need an Aussie grammarian.  "Cannot" may not mean what it does here.

Do you need more google hits?


I need a hit of something, I think. :-)
 
2013-05-02 01:55:46 PM
I'm not sure who started that question, but Western civilization is the stuff descended from the Greeks and Romans. It's most the stuff in Europe except for some of the Eastern portions. It happens to be white people, yea.

Arabs? Nope. They had their own civilization. There was trading of ideas and goods for a time, but it forked at a certain point.
Native Americans? Getting destroyed and replaced doesn't count.
Central/South America? Nope. Conquered.
Asia? Obviously not.
Africa? Hehehehehe. Poor Africa.

FARK rebel soldier:
[i2.kym-cdn.com image 100x100]
>Argentina
>white


"Hey mom, we're legion now!"  herp derp
 
2013-05-02 01:55:58 PM

jst3p: Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging and thus the plight of the male is given less priority? If I have a hangnail and a broken leg I am going to worry about the hangnail later.


I'd like to see how you measure this.   You've measured the totality of human inequality and have ranked it?

What a terrible method to say "Yes, thats bad, I am ignoring it because I feel like it."
 
2013-05-02 01:56:08 PM

jst3p: people: BarkingUnicorn: people: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps an Aussie attorney will rescue us.

First google hit in the same town.  Name right there when it was male.

Maybe we need an Aussie grammarian.  "Cannot" may not mean what it does here.

Do you need more google hits?

More anecdotes aren't going to be helpful, someone who understands the relevant statutes would be.


Although googling Aussie crime is pretty entertaining:

Company president, 60, 'slaps 19-month-old toddler in the face on a plane and tells his mother to ''shut that n****r baby up'''


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279328/Joe-Rickey-Hundley-s la ps-toddler-face-plane-told-mother-shut-n--r-baby-up.html
 
2013-05-02 01:57:15 PM

people: What a terrible method to say "Yes, thats bad, I am ignoring it because I feel like it."


That isn't what I said, but it is much easier to respond to what you pretend people say than what they said, so you have that going for you.
 
2013-05-02 01:57:20 PM

jst3p: anecdotes aren't going to be helpful


When someone says it doesnt happen, and its shown that it does happen, thats quite helpful.

BarkingUnicorn: I need a hit of something, I think. :-)


lol
 
2013-05-02 01:58:10 PM

jst3p: people: jst3p: OK, you got me

jst3p: We men have it so rough in society.


Well, there are issues that people don't cover, ranging from males encompassing the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.

Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging and thus the plight of the male is given less priority? If I have a hangnail and a broken leg I am going to worry about the hangnail later.


imageshack.us
 
2013-05-02 01:58:57 PM

jst3p: That isn't what I said


Here is what you said.

jst3p: Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging and thus the plight of the male is given less priority?


Ok.  Show how you've measured all of human inequality and have determined that some needs to be given less priority.

Thats quite an impressive statement that needs a crushing amount of context to be performed adequately.
 
2013-05-02 01:59:43 PM

ReverendJynxed: jst3p: people: jst3p: OK, you got me

jst3p: We men have it so rough in society.


Well, there are issues that people don't cover, ranging from males encompassing the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.

Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging and thus the plight of the male is given less priority? If I have a hangnail and a broken leg I am going to worry about the hangnail later.

[imageshack.us image 500x224]


Yeah, not my most well thought out argument. I just have a hard time putting much energy into considering the plight of males in society. Poor us.
 
2013-05-02 02:01:49 PM

people: jst3p: That isn't what I said

Here is what you said.

jst3p: Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging and thus the plight of the male is given less priority?

Ok.  Show how you've measured all of human inequality and have determined that some needs to be given less priority.

Thats quite an impressive statement that needs a crushing amount of context to be performed adequately.


You are right, and I don't have that kind of time or energy for this particular topic. I rescind that comment. I will go back to my previous stance.

You have a great point, males have it so rough in society. It is a miracle that we push forward with so many institutionalized disadvantages in life.
 
2013-05-02 02:03:38 PM

jst3p: You are right, and I don't have that kind of time or energy for this particular topic. I rescind that comment. I will go back to my previous stance.


Back to the "suck it up" argument then.  How original.
 
2013-05-02 02:06:21 PM

people: jst3p: You are right, and I don't have that kind of time or energy for this particular topic. I rescind that comment. I will go back to my previous stance.

Back to the "suck it up" argument then.  How original.


I must but only because I don't have your keen awareness and empathy with my marginalized brothers. You should continue to fight the good fight! You speak up for all of the men in the world, someday we may achieve equality with our vagina possessing counterparts and be treated with some dignity!
 
2013-05-02 02:10:53 PM

jst3p: I must but only because I don't have your keen awareness and empathy with my marginalized brothers. You should continue to fight the good fight! You speak up for all of the men in the world, someday we may achieve equality with our vagina possessing counterparts and be treated with some dignity!


+

jst3p: That isn't what I said, but it is much easier to respond to what you pretend people say than what they said, so you have that going for you.

 
2013-05-02 02:11:38 PM

jst3p: ReverendJynxed: jst3p: people: jst3p: OK, you got me

jst3p: We men have it so rough in society.


Well, there are issues that people don't cover, ranging from males encompassing the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.

Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging and thus the plight of the male is given less priority? If I have a hangnail and a broken leg I am going to worry about the hangnail later.

[imageshack.us image 500x224]

Yeah, not my most well thought out argument. I just have a hard time putting much energy into considering the plight of males in society. Poor us.


What men really need to do is organize to vote more males into government so they can get better representation of their interests.
 
2013-05-02 02:11:40 PM
Reading this story, where the woman is all "this is going to be long" reminds me of that picture from Australia where the cop pulls over the car and asks the kid if there are any drugs on him. His response? "What do you need, mate?" Pure honest truth apparently gets you out of alot on Australia.
 
2013-05-02 02:11:48 PM
How did we go from a story about a blow job free-for-all to men's plight in society?
 
2013-05-02 02:12:45 PM

people: jst3p: I must but only because I don't have your keen awareness and empathy with my marginalized brothers. You should continue to fight the good fight! You speak up for all of the men in the world, someday we may achieve equality with our vagina possessing counterparts and be treated with some dignity!

+

jst3p: That isn't what I said, but it is much easier to respond to what you pretend people say than what they said, so you have that going for you.


Yeah, I am not taking this discussion very seriously. If it is something you feel passionate about you should probably find someone who cares to discuss it with.
 
2013-05-02 02:14:19 PM

Target Builder: jst3p: ReverendJynxed: jst3p: people: jst3p: OK, you got me

jst3p: We men have it so rough in society.


Well, there are issues that people don't cover, ranging from males encompassing the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.

Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging and thus the plight of the male is given less priority? If I have a hangnail and a broken leg I am going to worry about the hangnail later.

[imageshack.us image 500x224]

Yeah, not my most well thought out argument. I just have a hard time putting much energy into considering the plight of males in society. Poor us.

What men really need to do is organize to vote more males into government so they can get better representation of their interests.


That's crazy talk. The oppression is far to endemic for something like that to be possible.
 
2013-05-02 02:18:43 PM

mdeesnuts: How did we go from a story about a blow job free-for-all to men's plight in society?


Sorry, my bad.

Let's see if we can get back on track:

Within half an hour the teenagers had ''propositioned'' her to engage in oral sex, she said.
Asked how she responded, the woman said: ''I'm like a happy person, so part of me is like in shock, part of me is flattered, part of me is thinking it's funny, and part of me is considering it.''


She sounds like she makes good decisions.

She told the court the act of performing oral sex on the first teenager was ''quick'' and ''followed by the other, followed by the other'' to include the other three teenagers, with ''no significant gaps in between''.

I don't know, that sounds kinda gross. I have never been a fan of sloppy seconds.
 
2013-05-02 02:26:18 PM

jst3p: mdeesnuts: How did we go from a story about a blow job free-for-all to men's plight in society?

Sorry, my bad.

Let's see if we can get back on track:

Within half an hour the teenagers had ''propositioned'' her to engage in oral sex, she said.
Asked how she responded, the woman said: ''I'm like a happy person, so part of me is like in shock, part of me is flattered, part of me is thinking it's funny, and part of me is considering it.''

She sounds like she makes good decisions.

She told the court the act of performing oral sex on the first teenager was ''quick'' and ''followed by the other, followed by the other'' to include the other three teenagers, with ''no significant gaps in between''.

I don't know, that sounds kinda gross. I have never been a fan of sloppy seconds.


Don't care for the bulldog eating custard look?
 
2013-05-02 02:27:48 PM

ReverendJynxed: jst3p: mdeesnuts: How did we go from a story about a blow job free-for-all to men's plight in society?

Sorry, my bad.

Let's see if we can get back on track:

Within half an hour the teenagers had ''propositioned'' her to engage in oral sex, she said.
Asked how she responded, the woman said: ''I'm like a happy person, so part of me is like in shock, part of me is flattered, part of me is thinking it's funny, and part of me is considering it.''

She sounds like she makes good decisions.

She told the court the act of performing oral sex on the first teenager was ''quick'' and ''followed by the other, followed by the other'' to include the other three teenagers, with ''no significant gaps in between''.

I don't know, that sounds kinda gross. I have never been a fan of sloppy seconds.

Don't care for the bulldog eating custard look?


Threads closed people. We're done here.
 
2013-05-02 02:27:56 PM

jst3p: She told the court the act of performing oral sex on the first teenager was ''quick'' and ''followed by the other, followed by the other'' to include the other three teenagers, with ''no significant gaps in between''.

I don't know, that sounds kinda gross. I have never been a fan of sloppy seconds.


It was oral sex.  She had time to swallow.
 
2013-05-02 02:28:17 PM

Mog32Kupo: This thread is useless without pics...
[t3.gstatic.com image 256x197]


Obv she is going to be Fark Hot, but still, I need to gauge this vacuum cleaner so I can justify not to be jealous of those boys.


This!

Where are the pics to we can decide between being aroused or disgusted?

:D
 
2013-05-02 02:31:59 PM

BarkingUnicorn: jst3p: She told the court the act of performing oral sex on the first teenager was ''quick'' and ''followed by the other, followed by the other'' to include the other three teenagers, with ''no significant gaps in between''.

I don't know, that sounds kinda gross. I have never been a fan of sloppy seconds.

It was oral sex.  She had time to swallow.


Ahh... a toothbrush party.
 
2013-05-02 02:33:47 PM

BarkingUnicorn: jst3p: She told the court the act of performing oral sex on the first teenager was ''quick'' and ''followed by the other, followed by the other'' to include the other three teenagers, with ''no significant gaps in between''.

I don't know, that sounds kinda gross. I have never been a fan of sloppy seconds.

It was oral sex.  She had time to swallow.


Call me prude but it would still give me pause, it isn't ALL gone.
 
2013-05-02 02:43:01 PM
Snikes in the beedroom.
 
2013-05-02 02:49:06 PM

Target Builder: FormlessOne: ChipNASA: She......case closed.

Came here for this, leaving vaguely disgusted.

/Australia, so it's hard to attribute American biases here, but still...

The US is pretty strict and inflexible in enforcement of age of consent laws compared to a lot of western countries. Prosecution guidelines in the UK are, or were, along the lines of "We're really busy over here in the courthouse so don't waste our time on some dumbass whose girlfriend is a few months shy of her birthday unless there are other aggravating factors involved"


My very point - it's hard for me to become "outraged" at this, because many other countries are less uptight when it comes to post-pubescent sexual relations. I can't apply America's biases here - it's sleazy, but that's about it.
 
2013-05-02 03:06:39 PM

jst3p: BarkingUnicorn: jst3p: She told the court the act of performing oral sex on the first teenager was ''quick'' and ''followed by the other, followed by the other'' to include the other three teenagers, with ''no significant gaps in between''.

I don't know, that sounds kinda gross. I have never been a fan of sloppy seconds.

It was oral sex.  She had time to swallow.

Call me prude but it would still give me pause, it isn't ALL gone.


Are you worried you'll get pregnant from a latent sperm?
 
2013-05-02 03:15:41 PM

crzybtch: I have to agree, if it was a man with teenage girls, he would have ended up in prison.  Not cool.   Sorry to see that happens outside the US too.

That being said, I want both men and women to do some time for that.  No one over 18 should be doing high school kids.


so a 19 yr old female should go to prison for sexing her 17 yr old HS boyfriend she has been dating for years.
 
2013-05-02 03:17:07 PM

people: Target Builder: Do South and Central American people consider themselves Western?

You might want to check if their name starts with a W.


Brazilians and Argentinians simply consider themselves better than everyone else on earth, especially Mexicans.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 03:24:27 PM

jayphat: gja: brap: I feel horrible that as a teenager I was thankful for these types of desperate gift-bearing she-creepazoids.

YOU GOT GIFTS?
/dammitsomuch
//all i got was a "hurry up thats my husbands car i hear", and some help exiting through the bedroom window

Oh you are so full of shiat. How'd you get out the second story window?


Not many second-story bedroooms in Levitt houses, and it wasn't like I was bagging 5 a week, so never ran into that problem.

/did have to hide in an effing freezing garage for nearly 2 hours once though (that dude woulda murdered my skinny azz)
//half dressed, totally scared-shiatless
 
2013-05-02 03:31:24 PM
how the fark do you have sex in the toilet?
 
2013-05-02 03:33:04 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Are you worried you'll get pregnant from a latent sperm?


Maybe she had a glass of water?
 
2013-05-02 03:36:02 PM

freewill: fozziewazzi: Or maybe she's just horny.

Incomplete theory. The puzzling part isn't that she's borking a bunch of dudes, it's that she's borking a bunch of adolescent kids.

Just about any woman, even a rather...undesirable one...could easily arrange this with people who actually know what they're doing and won't get her arrested. Instead she's targeting teenagers and is creeping them out with her fixation, even by the usually somewhat creepy standards of teenage relationships.

It takes a special kind of personality to want to stay in your teens as long as possible.


Why do you think most school teachers are women in this day and age?
 
2013-05-02 03:41:29 PM

jst3p: people: jst3p: I am too lazy to google it out but perhaps the laws vary from province (or state, whatever they have)? I highly doubt the law allows men to be identified and women not to be under the same circumstances.

First google hit. Same city even. A New South Wales man, accused of trapping and sexually abusing a young boy at his Central Coast home at the weekend, has denied the allegations.
36-year-old Kwai Newman

Gender imbalances are patently obvious in the courts. Most of the prisoners are male. Why is that? US?
A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court.

The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.

Starr also found that females arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.

Other research has found evidence of the same gender gap, though Starr asserts that the disparity is actually larger than previously suspected because other studies haven't looked at the role of plea bargains and other pre-sentencing steps in the criminal justice system.

Just recently, two stories came out in the same UK news outlet (BBC) on gender and prison. They went something like thisMale prisoners in England and Wales must work harder for privileges such as TVs in cells, the government has said.

Inmates will be made to wear a uniform during their first two weeks in jail and their access to private cash to call home will be restricted.

----

Community sentences in England and Wales are to be made more "female friendly" in an effort to keep women out of prison.
..
She says "vulnerable" women offenders need help to break the cycle of crime and abuse many of them face.

OK, you got me. We men have it so rough in society. Historically this has always been the case.


So dont do anything to correct the problem?
 
2013-05-02 03:47:39 PM

jst3p: people: jst3p: You are right, and I don't have that kind of time or energy for this particular topic. I rescind that comment. I will go back to my previous stance.

Back to the "suck it up" argument then.  How original.

I must but only because I don't have your keen awareness and empathy with my marginalized brothers. You should continue to fight the good fight! You speak up for all of the men in the world, someday we may achieve equality with our vagina possessing counterparts and be treated with some dignity!


This is why men laugh at feminists.
men bought into equality along time ago.
but women dont want equality. They want to be given special treatment. And when that hypocrisy gets pointed out you get the same sarcastic nonsense.

oh men have it so hard. Suck it up.

in north american society women do have it better than men.
 
2013-05-02 03:52:20 PM

KrispyKritter: crzybtch: I have to agree, if it was a man with teenage girls, he would have ended up in prison.  Not cool.   Sorry to see that happens outside the US too.

That being said, I want both men and women to do some time for that.  No one over 18 should be doing high school kids.

so a 19 yr old female should go to prison for sexing her 17 yr old HS boyfriend she has been dating for years.


How old is 18 really? The entire cut off age is a dumb idea.
are both parties consenting? Has puberty occured in both parties? Have the parties been given sex education?

if the answer to all of these is yes. Than i dont see what the big deal is.

Perhaps something along the lines of no more than a 4 year age gap between parties till they reach age of majority?
 
2013-05-02 04:04:29 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: in north american society women do have it better than men.


lolwut?

This position is batshiat crazy.
 
2013-05-02 04:06:31 PM
I did not know Clash/Elmo went to court.


/DNRTFA
 
2013-05-02 04:14:55 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Why do you think most school teachers are women in this day and age?


This topic plus your screenname.

Awesome.
 
2013-05-02 04:38:52 PM
Anyone got her number yet?  I want to learn more about this whole sex in a toilet thing (and if she actually means porta-potty, I'm out).
 
2013-05-02 04:52:48 PM
The woman's children were taken into state care after complaints from neighbours and repeated police calls to her home, which was described by police as ''some type of party house for local young children''.

Thank god for that at least
 
2013-05-02 05:52:15 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: KrispyKritter: crzybtch: I have to agree, if it was a man with teenage girls, he would have ended up in prison.  Not cool.   Sorry to see that happens outside the US too.

That being said, I want both men and women to do some time for that.  No one over 18 should be doing high school kids.

so a 19 yr old female should go to prison for sexing her 17 yr old HS boyfriend she has been dating for years.

How old is 18 really? The entire cut off age is a dumb idea.
are both parties consenting? Has puberty occured in both parties? Have the parties been given sex education?

if the answer to all of these is yes. Than i dont see what the big deal is.

Perhaps something along the lines of no more than a 4 year age gap between parties till they reach age of majority?


it's the official stance of the United States that we don't teach sex ed anymore. Only abstinence only for us thank you
 
2013-05-02 06:08:31 PM

ModernPrimitive01: teenage mutant ninja rapist: KrispyKritter: crzybtch: I have to agree, if it was a man with teenage girls, he would have ended up in prison.  Not cool.   Sorry to see that happens outside the US too.

That being said, I want both men and women to do some time for that.  No one over 18 should be doing high school kids.

so a 19 yr old female should go to prison for sexing her 17 yr old HS boyfriend she has been dating for years.

How old is 18 really? The entire cut off age is a dumb idea.
are both parties consenting? Has puberty occured in both parties? Have the parties been given sex education?

if the answer to all of these is yes. Than i dont see what the big deal is.

Perhaps something along the lines of no more than a 4 year age gap between parties till they reach age of majority?

it's the official stance of the United States that we don't teach sex ed anymore. Only abstinence only for us thank you


The official creepiness formula works for me. Half the highers age + 7. So 20 would be 17. 18 would be 16. I think you can follow this.
 
2013-05-02 06:12:30 PM
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This girl could put him right.
I'll show him what he could be now
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Leave us for a while.
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Pay before we start.
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Your mind must learn to roam.
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When the work is done,
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He'll never be more alive.
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Pay before we start.
I'm the Gypsy - I'm guaranteed.
To break your little heart.
If your child ain't all he should be now
This girl will put him right.
I'll show him what he could be now
Just give me one night.
I'm the Gypsy - the acid queen.
Pay before we start.
I'm the Gypsy - I'm guaranteed.
to tear your soul apart
 
2013-05-02 06:33:06 PM

jst3p: teenage mutant ninja rapist: in north american society women do have it better than men.

lolwut?

This position is batshiat crazy.


Objectively, or in your made up world where nothing has changed since the 1960's?
 
2013-05-02 08:10:28 PM

spiderpaz: jst3p: teenage mutant ninja rapist: in north american society women do have it better than men.

lolwut?

This position is batshiat crazy.

Objectively, or in your made up world where nothing has changed since the 1960's?


i2.cdn.turner.com
filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com
www.americanprogress.org
t0.gstatic.com
globalsociology.com

Yeah, it really sucks to be a dude.
 
2013-05-02 08:27:28 PM

jst3p:




(paygap)
http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20 Re port.pdf

However, despite these gains the raw wage gap continues to be used in misleading ways to
advance public policy agendas without fully explaining the reasons behind the gap. The purpose
of this report is to identify the reasons that explain the wage gap in order to more fully inform
policymakers and the public.
The following report prepared by CONSAD Research Corporation presents the results of a
detailed statistical analysis of the attributes that contribute to the wage gap and a synopsis of the
economic research that has been conducted on the issue. The major findings are:
There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the
wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively
account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and
thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent. These variables
include:


Poverty

Poverty rates for males and females are the same throughout childhood, but increase for women during their childbearing years and again in old age. The poverty gap between women and men widens significantly between ages 18 and 24-20.6 percent of women are poor at that age, compared to 14.0 percent of men. The gap narrows, but never closes, throughout adult life, and it more than doubles during the elderly years.

i.imgur.com

Now, this source is pretty openly partisan. Next thing would be to compare this data and check how it is calculated.


Federal assistance is more likely to go to women than men (61% vs. 49%);

Hmm. Is that calculated as income for calculating poverty?
Noncash benefits (such as food stamps and housing subsidies) do not count. Food and housing are your biggest expenses when poor. That complicates things.

What about other forms of state benefits that are not calculated in this figure?

A big one i can think of is Medicare - Health care costs are massive and crushing - especially at old age.
Source
Women constitute more than half of the individuals with Medicare. The program is therefore critically important to preserving the health and well-being of our mothers and grandmothers. Because women, on average, are poorer, live longer and have more health care needs than men, Medicare (sometimes combined with Medicaid) potentially plays a greater role for them in preventing illness and destitution. Any changes to the Medicare program that would increase cost-sharing or reduce services would be especially harmful to women, so it is important for women's health and economic well-being that that the Medicare program is protected.

The majority of individuals' receiving Medicare are women.

Women made up 56% of individuals with Medicare in 2010.
Women make up an even larger portion of the oldest Medicare beneficiaries. Women over 80 made up 62% of individuals with Medicare in 2010.


I did this in less than 10 minutes. So some work and do try to compare like for like.

So, we have a gap that widens during the childbearing years, a narrowing of the gap following this time, and a widening of the gap again during the elderly years. So, earning potential that is lost during childbearing years continues to affect women. During old age, when men die earlier than their female counterparts, women also see more poverty. Living without a partner because he is statistically increasingly likely to be dead effects income.



Considering the points of divergence are childbearing years and elderly years, how does federal assistance play into the calculation of poverty? Federal assistance is more likely to go to women than men (61% vs. 49%). Noncash benefits (such as food stamps and housing subsidies) do not count. Considering that food and housing bills are often the largest bills lower income face, this is problem in the calculation of these statistics.

The other large benefit to calculate, and one especially relevant for pregnancy and old age are medical bills. How does Medicare and Medicaid fit into this picture? Apparently, Medicaid benefits are not calculated into poverty. "Money income does not include noncash benefits such as public housing, Medicaid, employer-provided health insurance and food stamps." Moreover, when you look at how much aid is received, this serves to further complicate calculations of poverty if you do not calculate the amount of aid received.

Medicaid provides health insurance coverage to over 60 million low-income and disabled Americans through a partnership between states and the federal government. Nearly 1 in 5 Americans obtain health care coverage through Medicaid.

...

women make up nearly 70 percent of adults on Medicaid. Women make up 69 percent of elderly individuals receiving Medicaid, 53 percent of disabled individuals, and 77 percent of parents. More than one in ten non-elderly women receives their health coverage through the Medicaid program.

..

The high proportion of women on Medicaid is largely a result of the program's historic eligibility rules. As explained earlier, Medicaid eligibility is currently based not just on income, but also personal circumstances. Parents of dependent children, pregnant women, very low-income elderly people, and those with breast and cervical cancer are all eligible for coverage. Women are far more likely to care for dependent children on their own and women live longer and are far more likely to live in poverty in their old age. Eligibility based on pregnancy as well as breast and cervical cancer further increases the proportion of female Medicaid beneficiaries. In addition to being more likely to fit into one of these eligibility categories, women are poorer on average than men. This combination of circumstances has meant Medicaid is an especially important source of coverage for women.




....


Medicaid, the health program for the poor, covers 10% of non-elderly
women.


Large costs incurred by the state that aren't calculated in poverty. This is relevant information, especially how poverty diverges highly at childbearing years and again when elderly.

Now that we've looked at Medicare. What about Medicaid?

Women constitute more than half of the individuals with Medicare. The program is therefore critically important to preserving the health and well-being of our mothers and grandmothers. Because women, on average, are poorer, live longer and have more health care needs than men, Medicare (sometimes combined with Medicaid) potentially plays a greater role for them in preventing illness and destitution. Any changes to the Medicare program that would increase cost-sharing or reduce services would be especially harmful to women, so it is important for women's health and economic well-being that that the Medicare program is protected.

The majority of individuals' receiving Medicare are women.

Women made up 56% of individuals with Medicare in 2010.
Women make up an even larger portion of the oldest Medicare beneficiaries. Women over 80 made up 62% of individuals with Medicare in 2010.

Source


Clearly from looking at these figures, it is not correct to simply look at poverty calculations when they do not calculate significant benefits from the state through important health programs. These health programs cover expensive childbirth and elderly periods when the poverty level is the most divergent. Moreover, this elderly period needs to take into account how men statistically die at younger ages, creating an issue when comparing poverty for the elderly.
 
2013-05-02 08:30:46 PM

jst3p: ,


Now, lets just wait for you to either use tactic

A) Suck it up

B)  "Oh, gosh, my argument was bad.  I want to stop discussing this with you yet keep bringing it up

You're so obtuse as to bring up "men in political power," while you openly mock and deride these issues - as a man.

Gosh, I thought from your worldview men were arguing for male power? What happened?
 
2013-05-02 08:38:34 PM

people: jst3p: ,

Now, lets just wait for you to either use tactic

A) Suck it up

B)  "Oh, gosh, my argument was bad.  I want to stop discussing this with you yet keep bringing it up

You're so obtuse as to bring up "men in political power," while you openly mock and deride these issues - as a man.

Gosh, I thought from your worldview men were arguing for male power? What happened?


Keep fighting the good fight! Someday you will lead our brothers to fair treatment in this system that has men at such huge disadvantages!
 
2013-05-02 08:39:00 PM

jst3p: .


[fortune 500]


----


The fallacy of Composition is committed when a conclusion is drawn about a whole based on the features of its constituents when, in fact, no justification provided for the inference.


---


Translation, you are going use a tiny section of men to infer about the entire gender, while ignoring the larger percentage of

people: the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.




Good job on the fallacy of composition.
 
2013-05-02 08:40:33 PM

jst3p: Keep fighting the good fight!


You cant even defend the crap you put up here.  Your arguments are bad and you find them indefensible.
 
2013-05-02 08:41:57 PM

people: jst3p: .

[fortune 500]
----
The fallacy of Composition is committed when a conclusion is drawn about a whole based on the features of its constituents when, in fact, no justification provided for the inference.
---
Translation, you are going use a tiny section of men to infer about the entire gender, while ignoring the larger percentage of people: the most homeless, most suicides, lower numbers in college and graduate programs, most on the job injuries and fatalities, pressured to work more hours, and a lower life expectancy that all to often gets blown off by people pushing the "suck it up" gender trope.

Good job on the fallacy of composition.


Sounds to me like there are shiatty things about being a man and shiatty things about being a woman. You seem to want to focus on one set of issues.
 
2013-05-02 08:45:41 PM

people: jst3p: Keep fighting the good fight!

You cant even defend the crap you put up here.  Your arguments are bad and you find them indefensible.


No I don't find this issue one worth putting much effort into. I could be off, but you sound similar to many men I have met who was on the crap end of a divorce or child custody battle. It is pointless debating with someone who's proposition is that in our society women have more benefits than men. There will be no convincing you.
 
2013-05-02 08:48:22 PM

jst3p: Sounds to me like there are shiatty things about being a man and shiatty things about being a woman.


You can just stop there.

Lets bear in mind your positions in this thread, with your bad arguments you recoil from, then baffling use that opportunity to mock.   Any "inference" you made beyond that is baseless and continues this trend of recoil and mock.
 
2013-05-02 08:50:27 PM

people: jst3p: Sounds to me like there are shiatty things about being a man and shiatty things about being a woman.

You can just stop there.

Lets bear in mind your positions in this thread, with your bad arguments you recoil from, then baffling use that opportunity to mock.   Any "inference" you made beyond that is baseless and continues this trend of recoil and mock.


You probably should have gotten a better lawyer for the divorce.
 
2013-05-02 08:50:43 PM

jst3p: No I don't find this issue one worth putting much effort into.


You say that, then hang around putting effort in it with other people.

Look up.  Theres a very big post by you, full of bad arguments.  Strange behavior from someone who doesnt want to put that much effort into it.
 
2013-05-02 08:53:42 PM

jst3p: You probably should have gotten a better lawyer for the divorce.


Happily married.

Its the best sign that the wheels have burned off your argument bus when you have to try to cut at someones family for points.

Pathetic.
 
2013-05-02 08:54:47 PM

people: jst3p: No I don't find this issue one worth putting much effort into.

You say that, then hang around putting effort in it with other people.

Look up.  Theres a very big post by you, full of bad arguments.  Strange behavior from someone who doesnt want to put that much effort into it.


I put more effort into picking out my shirt than I did any posts I made on this topic. I don't view any of the posts I made in this thread as "very big" unless you want to count the one that was almost completely pictures.

I will admit I have a hard time letting things go without getting the last word in, but if you think I put any real effort into the silly notion that women have it better in our society you are mistaken.
 
2013-05-02 08:57:55 PM

jst3p: I will admit I have a hard time letting things go without getting the last word


Sometimes getting the last word in isnt worth it if its as bad as you have done here.

Feel free to have the last word below.  Try not to be embarrassing about it.
 
2013-05-02 09:03:14 PM

people: jst3p: I will admit I have a hard time letting things go without getting the last word

Sometimes getting the last word in isnt worth it if its as bad as you have done here.

Feel free to have the last word below.  Try not to be embarrassing about it.


Here it is. You made the silly statement that women have it better in our society. In reality men have issues and women have issues but these things are not quantifiable and there is no way for you to definitively demonstrate that men are, overall, worse off. I disagree with you, and I think most objective and rational people would, but I can't prove that they don't for the same reasons. It is a silly argument to have considering that regardless of who has it worst has it better than most of the rest of the world. I am not claiming that none of these issues should be examined just that your position, that women have more advantages in our society, is silly.
 
2013-05-02 09:12:05 PM

jst3p: You made the silly statement that women have it better in our society


$10 dollars if you actually find where I said this.

Let me be the one who is actually capable of quoting someone.

jst3p: That isn't what I said, but it is much easier to respond to what you pretend people say than what they said, so you have that going for you.
 
2013-05-02 09:23:22 PM

jst3p: Maybe because the issues that women generally have to face in most societies are more significant and damaging


+

jst3p: In reality men have issues and women have issues but these things are not quantifiable



Gosh. Which is it?  Its not quantifiable or it is absolutely quantifiable.
 
2013-05-02 09:52:39 PM

people: jst3p: You made the silly statement that women have it better in our society

$10 dollars if you actually find where I said this.


My guess would be  jst3p confused you for  teenage mutant ninja rapist (in north american society women do have it better than men) Whatever, sometimes people have a view that is so hard wired it's like that of pro-life or pro-choice activists, and since I have never ever seen one of those change their opinion no matter what, I figure it's pointless debating them. If males have it so bad, it would be best to get democracy to work for you rather than blather away on the internet.  Target Builder already said it:  What men really need to do is organize to vote more males into government so they can get better representation of their interests.
 
2013-05-02 10:03:12 PM

Nidiot: My guess would be  jst3p confused you

 jst3p

  is confused about long list of things

Nidiot: Target Builder already said it:


What did  Target Builder say, other than make a logical fallacy?  Its a bad argument.  Many men champion the "suck it up" gender stereotype.  You can clearly see it from the person making the argument.  Why on earth would you find citing this argument to be compelling?
 
2013-05-02 10:04:07 PM

God-is-a-Taco: "Hey mom, we're legion now!"  herp derp


I was out doing something else and, hours later, I suddenly got this joke. ...I'm not legion so it took me a while.
 
2013-05-02 10:31:25 PM

people: What did  Target Builder say, other than make a logical fallacy?  Its a bad argument.  Many men champion the "suck it up" gender stereotype.  You can clearly see it from the person making the argument.  Why on earth would you find citing this argument to be compelling?


It's what you are supposed to do if you see an issue with the society you live in, bring the issue to the attention of the person who represents you in a position of power. If the person currently representing you doesn't care to accept your issue as valid, you are free to find someone else who does, but they will still require enough voter support to get them into the position of power.

If not enough support is there, or you cannot find someone who will support your issue in the first place, your chosen issue itself may have a problem, more than everyone else being the problem.

Perhaps all the many men currently in power, voted in by all the men in the voting population, don't see men as suffering unduly from gender inequality because they are all, what? Mad? Stupid? Ignorant? (If it is ignorance, then it is your duty to point out the problems they are missing to them, not us.) Or maybe, just maybe, there isn't really a such dramatic problem in the first place.
 
2013-05-02 10:44:06 PM

Nidiot: Perhaps all the many men currently in power, voted in by all the men in the voting population, don't see men as suffering unduly from gender inequality because they are all, what? Mad? Stupid? Ignorant?


Have you seen the responses you get when these issues are brought up?

Absolutely vicious.  Many times its from men themselves whove been conditioned in their gender roles.  People call it "white knighting," but I find the term woefully crude.   Earl Silverman was an advocate.   Its suggested that he recently took his own life in order to draw poltical attention as a last resort.
 
2013-05-03 02:58:36 AM

jst3p: EvilEgg: And here I was thinking that "I thought she was eighteen" wasn't a defense.

/turns out I was right, but "I thought he was eighteen" evidently is.

Haven't read the thread so this may have been covered, but it varies (in the US) by state. In some states, like Florida, you could have met her in a bar, seen her fake ID and get a sworn statement from her parents that she was 18. If you bang her and she is 16 you go to jail.

In most states if a reasonable person would have reason to believe she is 18+ you are cool.


It's the same way in Canada.

CSB: When I was in university one of my classmates had to do most of his homework at the university or one of our apartments because he had the stereotypical fresh out of high-school party animal roommate. One weekend his roommate goes to the bar, meets yet another lonely girl and takes her home for some sex. He makes her breakfast, gives her a ride in his car the next morning and drops her off where she asks him to. A couple months later he gets a court summons delivered to him. Apparently that girl he farked was 13, used a fake id to get into the bar and is also pregnant. (Age of consent was 14 at this time).

So he's sweating bullets thinking he's going to jail for life. He shows up and the judge drops the statutory rape charges as she was already in the bar and drinking when he met her. The judge told him that, if a paternity test showed the baby was indeed his, he'd have to pay child support. But considering the alternative was going to jail he was pretty happy with just that.
 
2013-05-03 03:53:54 AM
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2013-05-03 03:54:37 AM
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2013-05-03 11:52:22 AM

jst3p: spiderpaz: jst3p: teenage mutant ninja rapist: in north american society women do have it better than men.

lolwut?

This position is batshiat crazy.

Objectively, or in your made up world where nothing has changed since the 1960's?

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[filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com image 669x369]
[www.americanprogress.org image 201x319]
[t0.gstatic.com image 278x181]
[globalsociology.com image 665x403]

Yeah, it really sucks to be a dude.


Cherry picking without context, nice.

I especially like the poverty rates one that coincides with men dying sooner and at much higher rates.

Why don't you look up incarceration rates.  Or CURRENT college enrollment rates.  Or homeless rates.

Or just look at 90% of the family court cases out there where paternal rights are thrown out the windows.  Or any of the cases out there where guys are paying for some OTHER guy's kid his wife cheated on him with.

And more so, when men are discriminated against, they're just about the only group that gets mocked (like you're doing) for speaking out about it.
 
2013-05-03 11:54:25 AM

jst3p: Sounds to me like there are shiatty things about being a man and shiatty things about being a woman. You seem to want to focus on one set of issues.


No it seems like he just wants to be able to bring up either, instead of only being able to bring up disadvantages of women and being mocked if he mentions any of the bad things that happen to men.
 
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