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(The Verge)   FARK: Google Glass will allow people to secretly record video and take pics by winking. Ultra FARK: It knows when you blink because it has a second camera always watching you   (theverge.com) divider line 126
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2013-05-02 04:10:17 PM
Pretty much just get used to living in Minority Report world.
 
2013-05-02 04:23:52 PM
I love "tech evangelist" Robert Scoble's reassurance:  the camera and audio suck, so I wouldn't use Glass to record you.

https://plus.google.com/+Scobleizer/posts/SHZJ2giR7pE
 
2013-05-02 04:27:53 PM

Le Grand Inquisitor: Reality: Google Glass becomes the next big revolution in making porn...honestly, will anyone be surprised by this?




I guess fashion will start looking like this.
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I think i should have a right to re-skin other humans. Overlay a different face on someone you don't want to look at. Obese people will appear "healthy." Sounds like Utopia.

Why am I being oppressed?
 
2013-05-02 04:37:11 PM

Fubini: The standard way to implement these devices is to wire the LED directly into the camera's own power supply, so that the LED is on whenever the camera receives power. I would assume that Google would do this (for all the obvious reasons), so it won't be possible to disable the recording LED without significant technical ability and the willingness to destroy your thousand dollar item if you mess up.


Or unless you have a bit of paint.
 
2013-05-02 04:42:59 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Fubini: The standard way to implement these devices is to wire the LED directly into the camera's own power supply, so that the LED is on whenever the camera receives power. I would assume that Google would do this (for all the obvious reasons), so it won't be possible to disable the recording LED without significant technical ability and the willingness to destroy your thousand dollar item if you mess up.

Or unless you have a bit of paint.




Beats my tape idea.
 
2013-05-02 04:49:30 PM
OMG this brand new ability to record is scary! Oh wait...

craphound.com
 
2013-05-02 05:27:35 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Or unless you have a bit of paint.


Are you going to paint over the HUD display? Because that's what it'd take, as pointed out upthread.
 
2013-05-02 05:45:34 PM
Um... how exactly does subby propose that an electronic device be controlled without some sort of monitoring of the controller for input?

Fubini: I know what you're getting at, but if it is installed in series like that the whole thing becomes worthless if the LED fails.

...

The people who build LEDs talk about reliability in terms of thousands and tens of thousands of hours. You could take an hour of video every day for three years and barely hit a thousand. LEDs do degrade in brightness through use, but again this is a few percent over thousands of hours of operation.


To add some commentary as someone that does work in a relevant field for a living:

1. The way a digital camera works is with thousands of tiny, delicate diode junctions which are structurally essentially identical to LEDs.  The display LED on the power supply is a relatively large-dimension device of the same type, which in nano-scale materials means proportionally more reliable.  Statistically, if your indicator LED has failed, every single part of your camera was gone long ago.

2. While LEDs can be schematically added "in series", the actual light-emitting component doesn't generally pass enough current to power much of anything (that's the whole point of an LED).  Typically, an "in-series LED" is actually a set of emitting junctions in parallel with a small resistor, or more commonly a safety breaker in higher-voltage applications.  Your "LED" is more of a black-box device that usually just becomes a small resistor if the light-emitting component fails, not actually a simple LED by itself.  The component you have to replace if "the LED fails" is sold as a breaker or in-series component, not a bulb.

3. The "on" indicator for recording devices is actually usually  not an in-series interrupter.  It's there for the convenience of the people using the device, not for any kind of legal or safety purposes.  You're perfectly welcome to remove it or obscure it if you want.  You'll generally find the in-series indicator/cutoffs in things where there's an actual safety concern, e.g. it can electrocute you if mishandled so you need to know for sure when it's plugged in.
 
2013-05-02 06:22:08 PM

WTF Indeed: News from 2014: Sales of Google Glass have plummeted after purchasers report constant face-punching by random strangers.


Bookmark this:

In the next two or three years, you'll hear about a cop, a bodyguard, or some enforcers beating the crap out of some random person with glasses because they thought they were being recorded by Google Glass.
 
2013-05-02 06:39:43 PM
So the world is becoming more and more like  Snow Crash...great.
 
2013-05-02 06:50:42 PM
I'm not buying this until the version with the temple implant electrodes and anal probe attachments is complete.....
 
2013-05-02 08:44:11 PM
Google Glass Threads are the new Facebook threads.
 
2013-05-02 08:56:29 PM

pxlboy: Google Glass Threads are the new Facebook threads.




Facebook makes me think of old people.
 
2013-05-02 09:01:04 PM

Kibbler: Fubini: Kibbler: Google Glass will herald the end of the last remaining shreds of decency and manners in American society.  Not that there is much left.

I'm not sure how Glass is more disruptive than smartphones/cell phones. You haven't had privacy in public spaces for decade now.

I envision something like somebody having a conversation with an unwitting dupe, and images are being posted live online as the conversation occurs.  Like, a situation where somebody pretends to ask someone for a date, kind of the "Dinner for Schmucks" thing.  Eventually, you'll also have a way to add taglines on automatically.  So you can make a sarcastic running joke out of somebody, in real-time ("ZOMG look at her face, she fell for it!"), and even as it's happening, their phone starts dinging with the news.  Later they can hang themselves in mortal shame.  Major yuks.

You can't do that with a cellphone.


Oh Rly?
 
2013-05-02 09:02:27 PM

StoPPeRmobile: pxlboy: Google Glass Threads are the new Facebook threads.

Facebook makes me think of old people.


I thought my meaning would be clear:

Someone coming into these "these" threads again only to spout off about how superior they are because they don't do/like/listen to X.

It's tiring.
 
2013-05-02 09:48:50 PM

Fubini: BarkingUnicorn: Or unless you have a bit of paint.

Are you going to paint over the HUD display? Because that's what it'd take, as pointed out upthread.


You're right.  I'll just have to shoot you.

This debate has all the hallmarks of the open-carry gun debate.
 
2013-05-02 09:55:07 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Fubini: BarkingUnicorn: Or unless you have a bit of paint.

Are you going to paint over the HUD display? Because that's what it'd take, as pointed out upthread.

You're right.  I'll just have to shoot you.

This debate has all the hallmarks of the open-carry gun debate.


I guess that makes the Google Glass lovers the gun nuts of this one.
 
2013-05-02 10:48:58 PM
Hmmn.  Native capability to surreptitiously take video and audio of anyone in any situation?

Doesn't that run afoul of anti-wiretapping laws?
 
2013-05-02 10:53:44 PM
BIE ;-) has just become code for help yourself
 
2013-05-02 11:01:19 PM

Fubini: R.A.Danny: Wires are too big for this.

When I say "wire" I'm talking about how it's connected, not that it's literally soldered with wires. The concept is the same on a PCB with copper traces- the LED power supply is the same as the camera power supply. This actually makes it much more difficult to modify at home.

To disable the LED you could just remove the LED and hope that the system is designed in such a way that  this doesn't destroy the whole device (probably not), and if this is the case then you'd have to find a suitable replacement diode/resistor/LED that was electrically similar enough to the LED to still let the device function. Chances are, the LED is wired in series with the camera, not in parallel, so if you just remove the LED then the circuit is broken and the camera cannot function. If you replace it willy-nilly with a different component (or a solid connection) then you're going to be getting the wrong voltage and could fark up things farther down the line. Perhaps to the point of destroying the device.

I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but the LED is a security feature. It's probably designed as such, and circumventing security isn't usually easy.

jonny_q: Or, you know, cover it up.

The glass display is on during recording, so if you're close (having a conversation) it wouldn't be hard to tell if they're potentially recording. If you cover that up... well, it'd be obvious, and you couldn't see.


SIMPLE SOLUTION:  Just put some white-out over the LED.  Done.

That's what I do on my laptop charger.  Obscures completely, but is invisible unless someone actively looks for the "charging light" to be on.

Many solutions to high-tech problems are simple.
 
2013-05-02 11:17:50 PM

pxlboy: StoPPeRmobile: pxlboy: Google Glass Threads are the new Facebook threads.

Facebook makes me think of old people.

I thought my meaning would be clear:

Someone coming into these "these" threads again only to spout off about how superior they are because they don't do/like/listen to X.

It's tiring.




Must suck being forced to post. I hate when that happens.
 
2013-05-02 11:41:05 PM
OtherLittleGuy:

In the next two or three years, you'll hear about a cop, a bodyguard, or some enforcers beating the crap out of some random person with glasses because they thought they were being recorded by Google Glass.

I don't doubt it.  As I pointed out though I suspect that the same story, assuming it's a real pair of Glass, will mention the things video/photo evidence was used to secure the conviction.

I also don't doubt it because those three groups you mentioned are usually in the press with a monotony that should be quite frightening in the case of cops... for beating up random people for no apparent reason.
 
2013-05-03 01:34:53 AM
I still have a hard time seeing how these are a bigger threat to privacy...these glasses visibly mounted on your face for all to see that require you to be looking directly at what you're recording...when nobody blinks an eye at cellphones sitting out all over creation.  They can easily be used to record or photograph people without them knowing and since everybody has one nobody gives them a second thought when they're sitting on restaurant tables, a desk at work, etc.

And that's just if the phone is being used on the sly.  You go to any event these days and people have them out taking pictures and recording videos all over the place.  Like I said above, look at the number of photos that emerged publicly of the two Boston bombers before the bombs went off.

I can see the overall dislike of being photographed or recorded without your knowledge, but it's already happening all the time.  And given the absurd number of people that publish their entire lives on Facebook or other sites like that for all to see it seems to me this just isn't going to go away.
 
2013-05-03 03:45:05 AM

ZeroCorpse: BarkingUnicorn: Fubini: BarkingUnicorn: Or unless you have a bit of paint.

Are you going to paint over the HUD display? Because that's what it'd take, as pointed out upthread.

You're right.  I'll just have to shoot you.

This debate has all the hallmarks of the open-carry gun debate.

I guess that makes the Google Glass lovers the gun nuts of this one.


I want open-carry to be the only kind allowed. I want to know who I should keep an eye on, and I want the umbrella deterrent effect of visible, nearby guns.
 
2013-05-03 08:52:58 AM

ZeroCorpse: And that's not even considering that Google said people will be able to integrate the Google Glass with their prescription glasses. That mean they WON'T be setting them aside or taking them off. It means people who deal with RX Google Glass glasses will have to just accept that the person they're facing has the ability to record every word, upload it to Google's servers on the Internet, and later even edit it if they so choose. They'll have to accept that they can be Google searched right there, while they're talking to the person. They'll have to accept that nothing about their conversation is not potential YouTube fodder.

At least with a cell phone camera, there's no subtle way to record someone. You can act like you're texting or reading the screen, but that becomes obvious after a moment when you have the phone tilted up and facing someone instead of tilted down like you normally would when texting.

And with traditional spy cameras like button cams, hat cams, glasses cams, etc. there's usually a limit to how much you can do with them, and they certainly don't have the ability to do web searches, upload the recording to the Internet, or even surreptitiously call a friend and have them see what you're seeing while you're interacting with someone.

People WILL be using these to play pranks, "bust" people, trick people into agreeing to things on camera, and capture embarrassing moments for YouTube or blackmail. Guys will be using these to record women in public without having to deal with the risk of being caught walking around with a camera phone in hand.

It will take SECONDS for something you do in front of these glasses to be uploaded and shared. And once it's on the Internet, it's out there forever.

So HELL YES there's a privacy concern.


You forgot that there is the fact that there is the heat of the moment ability to make photos. A wink is quite a bit faster than taking out your telephone, unlocking it, starting the camera and taking the picture. You'll already have fallen, made a fool of yourself and be ashamed before someone managed to take the shot. With the google glass a wink is just a fraction of a second away and you are already in frame.

The glasses will also be more widespread than spy gear. Everything the glasses can do, you could do with spy gear. The difference is that very few people are going to shell out money for a spy camera hidden in a pen or a button. Lots of gadgeteers will go and run around with google glasses.

Fubini: The standard way to implement these devices is to wire the LED directly into the camera's own power supply, so that the LED is on whenever the camera receives power. I would assume that Google would do this (for all the obvious reasons), so it won't be possible to disable the recording LED without significant technical ability and the willingness to destroy your thousand dollar item if you mess up.


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A bit of paint or some ink would likely be enough to hide the light from the LED enough for casual inspection. There is no need to open the glasses or to rebuild anything.
 
2013-05-03 07:00:54 PM

StoPPeRmobile: pxlboy: StoPPeRmobile: pxlboy: Google Glass Threads are the new Facebook threads.

Facebook makes me think of old people.

I thought my meaning would be clear:

Someone coming into these "these" threads again only to spout off about how superior they are because they don't do/like/listen to X.

It's tiring.

Must suck being forced to post. I hate when that happens.


Me too.
 
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