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2013-05-02 10:39:54 AM  
Look like they found a picture of her corpse...
 
2013-05-02 10:41:35 AM  
sever mental problems, she left her kids and husband. From the story and the looks of things it was best for everyone involved.
 
2013-05-02 10:44:40 AM  
No drugs?  Uh... I am not buying that.
 
2013-05-02 10:44:47 AM  
Somebody still might not be getting a card for Mother's Day.
 
2013-05-02 10:48:35 AM  
Florida. Not even once.
 
2013-05-02 10:48:49 AM  
This is an example of eyes too far apart.
 
2013-05-02 10:49:03 AM  
What a doosh.
 
2013-05-02 10:51:32 AM  
Jeebus.

/ expected a Dave Berry article.
 
2013-05-02 10:52:34 AM  
well that's farking weird
 
2013-05-02 10:52:35 AM  
Bad diet plus plenty of booze will often mimic the symptoms of meth addiction.  If she was not drunk at the immediate time, that proves nothing.
 
2013-05-02 10:53:06 AM  
Well, if you are wishing to pursue a life sleeping under bridges... you can do worse than Florida.
 
2013-05-02 10:56:16 AM  
I live in the Keys. We actually have homeless snowbirds -- they spend summers up north, winters down here, under the bridges, in the mangroves, etc. She just took it to the extreme.
 
2013-05-02 10:57:47 AM  
Odd eye spacing.
You don't just run away and live under a bridge if your brain is firing on all cylinders. Especially as a woman.
 
2013-05-02 10:58:23 AM  
She kind of sort of looked like Maid Marian in that Robin Hood movie with Alan Rickman. Or maybe not, my memory of that film is a bit hazy.
 
2013-05-02 10:58:58 AM  
If all was lost and it came down to suicide or "to disappear", I'd disappear and do it in a nice climate. Why would you want to be homeless in NYC, Chicago or Boston? The winters would turn you into a bumsicle.
 Mom is still an asshat for doing that to her children.
 
2013-05-02 11:00:04 AM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: You don't just run away and live under a bridge


Or that's where you'll draw some blood
 
2013-05-02 11:01:02 AM  
ok, i admit living in the schlong state for 30 years - never a dull moment! this lady is the prototypical older florida chick, surviving on natty lite and generic cigarettes, hanging out with dirtbag alcoholics on the welfare.
 
2013-05-02 11:08:33 AM  
Her ex-husband, Lee Heist, who collected on a life insurance policy after getting the courts to declare her legally dead in 2010 and has remarried

Okay Fark lawyers, what's the hubby's responsibility re: the insurance cash?

And just how do you make yourself undead after a death certificate has been issued?

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/02/3376125/woman-missing-since-200 2 -and-presumed.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-05-02 11:08:44 AM  
Up and disappears? Man, I sympathize with the husband. fark that woman. What kind of irresponsible shiat does that?
 
2013-05-02 11:09:07 AM  

spentshells: sever mental problems, she left her kids and husband. From the story and the looks of things it was best for everyone involved.


spelling sucs
 
2013-05-02 11:10:06 AM  
I'm still waiting for them to arrest the ex-husband for murder.
 
2013-05-02 11:11:20 AM  
Even the best planned Heist can go wrong.
 
2013-05-02 11:13:00 AM  

mrlewish: I'm still waiting for them to arrest the ex-husband for murder.


Too late now, but if they had done that, they would do their best to keep him locked up, even after the "victim" turned up alive.
 
2013-05-02 11:13:16 AM  
"There was no mental health issue going on at the time that anyone was aware of..."

Denial. Not just a river in Egypt. I'd be genuinely shocked if it came out that she didn't suffer from major depressive disorder with a dash of postpartum.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/02/3376125/woman-missing-since-200 2 -and-presumed.html#storylink=cpy"
 
2013-05-02 11:13:48 AM  
Paint her blue and she's look just like a Na'vi.

=Smidge=
 
2013-05-02 11:14:20 AM  
So she has now screwed her family twice. Once when she left, and now they're going to have to figure out how to give back all that life insurance money that probably paid for kids' college educations, the mortgage and other things that are no so easy to return.

But yeah, she's nuts.
 
2013-05-02 11:15:54 AM  

turbocucumber: This is an example of eyes too far apart.


Her peripheral vision is probably excellent.
 
2013-05-02 11:19:30 AM  
Well, she can always guest star as a featured zombie on Walking Dead next season.
 
2013-05-02 11:19:36 AM  

JerkStore: So she has now screwed her family twice. Once when she left, and now they're going to have to figure out how to give back all that life insurance money that probably paid for kids' college educations, the mortgage and other things that are no so easy to return.

But yeah, she's nuts.


In this case, I think the insurance company's tort is against the mother, not the husband. He went through the process of having her declared dead in good faith, after all, and after a very reasonable period of time.

In other words, they are going to have to write this one off I think. No chance of crazy lady ever paying them back.
 
2013-05-02 11:21:19 AM  
Over the last few years I've been growing a stash of cash and basics hidden about a hundred yards off a hiking trail.  I've worked out a fairly detailed plan of where to leave my car, what to do with my wallet and cell phone and how to melt into the background.  If you don't have an exit plan you're fooling yourself and you will regret it.
 
2013-05-02 11:24:14 AM  
Heist's disappearance shocked her family and friends.

Not to mention her appearance.
 
2013-05-02 11:24:23 AM  
♫ ♫
She made up her mind
And started packing
She left before the sun came up that day
An exit to eternal summer slacking
But where was she going without ever knowing the way?
♫ ♫
 
2013-05-02 11:25:09 AM  

Omnivorous: Her ex-husband, Lee Heist, who collected on a life insurance policy after getting the courts to declare her legally dead in 2010 and has remarried

Okay Fark lawyers, what's the hubby's responsibility re: the insurance cash?

And just how do you make yourself undead after a death certificate has been issued?

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/02/3376125/woman-missing-since-200 2 -and-presumed.html#storylink=cpy


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2253/what-happens-when-some on e-legally-dead-shows-up-alive

"Burney had had a lot of life insurance, Sentell notes. Both his wife and his company got death benefits. When he reappeared, the life insurance company sued him, his first wife, and his company. For technical reasons, the court found that the beneficiaries didn't have to return the money, but Burney himself wasn't so lucky. The court ruled his actions were fraudulent and entered judgment against him for $470,000."
 
2013-05-02 11:27:34 AM  
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2013-05-02 11:31:16 AM  

KAVORKA: No drugs?  Uh... I am not buying that.


maybe not at first but it's hard to imagine how you age that badly in 11 years without meth.

My guess is that she was always a bit unstable, the stress of the divorce put her in a tailspin and she ran, ran into drugs and lost a decade, (and her face) feeding her habits.
 
2013-05-02 11:31:42 AM  
Usually it's the guys doing this.  Goes out for a loaf of bread and never comes back.

Some days, there's a certain appeal to bailing out on the life you're living.

To paraphrase Chris Rock,  "I don't condone it... but I understand".
 
2013-05-02 11:34:42 AM  
Rezurok:  The court ruled his actions were fraudulent and entered judgment against him for $470,000.

Thanks Rezurok for indulging my laziness this morning.  It makes me laugh to think of the insurance company trying to get the money out of a homeless person named Heist.
 
2013-05-02 11:37:24 AM  
Florida Woman. Lived with Florida Man, ridden hard and hung up wet.

Man that's an ancient looking 54 year old woman.
 
2013-05-02 11:37:49 AM  

xoxo: She kind of sort of looked like Maid Marian in that Robin Hood movie with Alan Rickman. Or maybe not, my memory of that film is a bit hazy.


Alan Rickman
 
2013-05-02 11:37:51 AM  

TomD9938: Goes out for a loaf of bread and never comes back.


I thought it was a ride? At least in Baltimore, jack.
 
2013-05-02 11:38:18 AM  

Keys dude: I live in the Keys. We actually have homeless snowbirds -- they spend summers up north, winters down here, under the bridges, in the mangroves, etc. She just took it to the extreme.


Yeah, we've got a little woods behind our offices here in St Paul, Minnesota that a group of homelless guys live in during the summer/fall while taking shifts working the nearby off ramps.

When winter hits they travel south and pick up again down there (not sure if it's Florida they go to).
 
2013-05-02 11:40:03 AM  
So, she does some mean licks on Sympathy for the Devil now?
media.miamiherald.com
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-02 11:40:41 AM  

CheatCommando: In this case, I think the insurance company's tort is against the mother, not the husband. He went through the process of having her declared dead in good faith, after all, and after a very reasonable period of time.


I don't think so.  Hubby did nothing wrong but he still was enriched unjustly.  She had no duty to keep the insurer informed that she was alive.  Hubby is on the hook unless there's some law or contractual provision that there's no take-backs in case of mistaken death certificates.  He would owe the insurer a refund and his recourse would be to sue her.
 
2013-05-02 11:40:43 AM  
I just need this homeless crew. And that's all I need.
And this bridge.
This homeless crew and this bridge. And that's all I need.
 
2013-05-02 11:42:26 AM  
Detective Sgt. John Schofield with the Lititz Borough Police Department told KeysNet that after taking her then 8- and 12-year-old kids to school, Heist met with a group of homeless people planning to hitchhike to Florida.

Recycle her for parts. She's more useful that way.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/02/3376125/woman-missing-since-200 2 -and-presumed.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-05-02 11:43:01 AM  
So ... prolonged exposure to Florida yields the same results as a meth addiction.

Say No To Florida
 
2013-05-02 11:43:20 AM  

CheatCommando: TomD9938: Goes out for a loaf of bread and never comes back.

I thought it was a ride? At least in Baltimore, jack.


already running through my head...
 
2013-05-02 11:48:06 AM  
Ahhhhhhh frickin' copy ambush. Anyway...

BarkingUnicorn: I don't think so. Hubby did nothing wrong but he still was enriched unjustly. She had no duty to keep the insurer informed that she was alive. Hubby is on the hook unless there's some law or contractual provision that there's no take-backs in case of mistaken death certificates. He would owe the insurer a refund and his recourse would be to sue her.


Interesting. If she had no duty to inform the insurer, does she have a duty to inform the beneficiary? How would he have recourse?

This could be nonsense, but this article agrees with CheatCommando: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2253/what-happens-when-someo n e-legally-dead-shows-up-alive


John Burney reappeared on December 1, 1982, when he returned to Arkansas to visit his father after having been injured in an industrial accident. He wanted to sue, but his lawyer told him he would have to make complete disclosure of his past.


Burney had had a lot of life insurance, Sentell notes. Both his wife and his company got death benefits. When he reappeared, the life insurance company sued him, his first wife, and his company. For technical reasons, the court found that the beneficiaries didn't have to return the money, but Burney himself wasn't so lucky. The court ruled his actions were fraudulent and entered judgment against him for $470,000.


Certainly, a reasonable person would understand the consequences of their disappearance and that they are causing losses through their decision to, essentially, fake their death.
 
2013-05-02 11:48:27 AM  
This article sucks, did she ever find the precious?
 
2013-05-02 12:00:24 PM  
Florida...

Come onvacation,leave on probation,come back on violation
 
2013-05-02 12:03:29 PM  
You know she's going to be writing a book about this. I would. Then they'll make a romantic movie about it with some pretty hollywood actress all uglyied up for the role.
 
2013-05-02 12:07:35 PM  

freewill: BarkingUnicorn: I don't think so. Hubby did nothing wrong but he still was enriched unjustly. She had no duty to keep the insurer informed that she was alive. Hubby is on the hook unless there's some law or contractual provision that there's no take-backs in case of mistaken death certificates. He would owe the insurer a refund and his recourse would be to sue her.

Interesting. If she had no duty to inform the insurer, does she have a duty to inform the beneficiary? How would he have recourse?


Negligence.  She was in a special relationship called marriage, with a higher duty to her husband than she had to a stranger in an insurance company.  It's similar to the "no duty to aid a stranger in peril" common law; parents still have a duty to aid their kids, among other special relationships.
 
2013-05-02 12:40:04 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Negligence. She was in a special relationship called marriage, with a higher duty to her husband than she had to a stranger in an insurance company. It's similar to the "no duty to aid a stranger in peril" common law; parents still have a duty to aid their kids, among other special relationships.


Fair enough, but the state issued a death certificate. If both the insurance company and the husband were acting in good faith and the insurance company considered the criteria for the claim to be satisfied, where do they get off demanding the money back? The husband made no error that he had the means to prevent.

All of this was a direct consequence of her decision to drop off the grid and abandon her responsibilities, a course that anybody would realize is going to lead to all sorts of blowback. She was presumably aware he husband had insured her life, and aware that they would think she was dead. He didn't defraud the insurance company, she did.
 
2013-05-02 12:42:28 PM  
Well, to her credit she didn't murder "johns" she picked up on the Interstates.  I'd argue for dismissal of any charges that may be brought against her.

/Why, yes my name is "John," and I live in Florida.

//stop looking at me funny
 
2013-05-02 01:03:41 PM  

freewill: BarkingUnicorn: Negligence. She was in a special relationship called marriage, with a higher duty to her husband than she had to a stranger in an insurance company. It's similar to the "no duty to aid a stranger in peril" common law; parents still have a duty to aid their kids, among other special relationships.

Fair enough, but the state issued a death certificate. If both the insurance company and the husband were acting in good faith and the insurance company considered the criteria for the claim to be satisfied, where do they get off demanding the money back? The husband made no error that he had the means to prevent.

All of this was a direct consequence of her decision to drop off the grid and abandon her responsibilities, a course that anybody would realize is going to lead to all sorts of blowback. She was presumably aware he husband had insured her life, and aware that they would think she was dead. He didn't defraud the insurance company, she did.


Interesting question, and the answer partly depends on the Florida statute of limitations, I'd think.
Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the insurance industry had some fine print allowing them recourse, somehow.

While I don't think the husband did anything wrong, and the insurance company should go after the wife...she doesn't have any money...
 
2013-05-02 01:09:11 PM  
"She has a birth certificate and a death certificate, so she's got a long ways to make this right again," Schofield said. "She's got to take it slow with her family, I'm sure, and it's going to be a long process."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/02/3376125/woman-missing-since-200 2 -and-presumed.html#storylink=cpy

Long process my ass. My biological father abandoned me when I was an infant. I have heard through family members that he is interested in getting in touch with me. The process is simple, he is a stranger and I have no desire to meet him.
 
2013-05-02 01:10:08 PM  

freewill: BarkingUnicorn: Negligence. She was in a special relationship called marriage, with a higher duty to her husband than she had to a stranger in an insurance company. It's similar to the "no duty to aid a stranger in peril" common law; parents still have a duty to aid their kids, among other special relationships.

Fair enough, but the state issued a death certificate. If both the insurance company and the husband were acting in good faith and the insurance company considered the criteria for the claim to be satisfied, where do they get off demanding the money back? The husband made no error that he had the means to prevent.

All of this was a direct consequence of her decision to drop off the grid and abandon her responsibilities, a course that anybody would realize is going to lead to all sorts of blowback. She was presumably aware he husband had insured her life, and aware that they would think she was dead. He didn't defraud the insurance company, she did.


I agree with you, but it still wouldn't surprise me if the insurance company tried to weasel out of it and demand the money back.
 
2013-05-02 01:43:39 PM  

jst3p: "She has a birth certificate and a death certificate, so she's got a long ways to make this right again," Schofield said. "She's got to take it slow with her family, I'm sure, and it's going to be a long process."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/02/3376125/woman-missing-since-200 2 -and-presumed.html#storylink=cpy

Long process my ass. My biological father abandoned me when I was an infant. I have heard through family members that he is interested in getting in touch with me. The process is simple, he is a stranger and I have no desire to meet him.


Which I think is the same thing as what they meant by "long process".  Kind of like when you used to tell your parents something stupid that you wanted to do and they'd be like, "let's take this slow."
 
2013-05-02 02:59:25 PM  

freewill: BarkingUnicorn: Negligence. She was in a special relationship called marriage, with a higher duty to her husband than she had to a stranger in an insurance company. It's similar to the "no duty to aid a stranger in peril" common law; parents still have a duty to aid their kids, among other special relationships.

Fair enough, but the state issued a death certificate. If both the insurance company and the husband were acting in good faith and the insurance company considered the criteria for the claim to be satisfied, where do they get off demanding the money back? The husband made no error that he had the means to prevent.

All of this was a direct consequence of her decision to drop off the grid and abandon her responsibilities, a course that anybody would realize is going to lead to all sorts of blowback. She was presumably aware he husband had insured her life, and aware that they would think she was dead. He didn't defraud the insurance company, she did.


unjust enrichment is where one person is unjustly or by chance enriched at the expense of another, and an obligation to make restitution arises,
 
2013-05-02 03:06:57 PM  

pyrotek85: freewill: BarkingUnicorn: Negligence. She was in a special relationship called marriage, with a higher duty to her husband than she had to a stranger in an insurance company. It's similar to the "no duty to aid a stranger in peril" common law; parents still have a duty to aid their kids, among other special relationships.

Fair enough, but the state issued a death certificate. If both the insurance company and the husband were acting in good faith and the insurance company considered the criteria for the claim to be satisfied, where do they get off demanding the money back? The husband made no error that he had the means to prevent.

All of this was a direct consequence of her decision to drop off the grid and abandon her responsibilities, a course that anybody would realize is going to lead to all sorts of blowback. She was presumably aware he husband had insured her life, and aware that they would think she was dead. He didn't defraud the insurance company, she did.

I agree with you, but it still wouldn't surprise me if the insurance company tried to weasel out of it and demand the money back.


Nobody defrauded the insurance company.  A mistake of fact occurred, resulting in one of the parties to the insurance contract being enriched unjustly.  That party must refund the money, unless there is some contractual provision or law that precludes equitable restitution if the State, rightly or in error, declares an insured party deceased.
 
2013-05-02 03:19:35 PM  
Y yall be dissn on da flordy I woop yo ass an then yall aint all that yall then to the ill bite me yo
 
2013-05-02 04:01:27 PM  
I don't think the insurance money is the biggest part of the story.

I think walking out on your husband and children is the biggest part of the story. I currently have a 12-year-old son and an 8-year-old daughter (which is exactly what she had when she bailed) and I cannot imagine, not for one second, turning my back on them and playing ding-dong-ditch for 11 years.

Missing Little League games, birthdays, holidays, piano recitals, lost teeth, first crushes, field trips, middle school dances, Sunday morning pancakes, hugs and kisses and memories...Unfathomable. It's unf... without fathom.

/also wouldn't be able to do a Megamind reference without the kids in my life

//slashies to the death. No, to the pain

///whoops, there's another one
 
2013-05-02 04:07:00 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: unjust enrichment is where one person is unjustly or by chance enriched at the expense of another, and an obligation to make restitution arises...A mistake of fact occurred


As I understand it, unjust enrichment occurs where there is no sound justification for the transfer. In this case, both sides had a perfect meeting of the minds about the situation and the insurance company wrote the check on the same understanding as the beneficiary, didn't they? Was there a mistake of fact about her actual death, or were they both simply in agreement that the circumstances which dictated paying the claim had been met? What I mean is, in the latter case, none of those circumstances are now invalidated by her actual life: she had been missing, she had been thought dead, a death certificate had been issued.

Nobody defrauded the insurance company.

I take issue with this either way. She had to be aware that she was insured and that she would be thought dead, and falsely represented herself to others as being another person under another name in order to avoid detection and perpetuate that falsehood.

Here's one of the Burney cases:

http://ar.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19840727_ 00 00023.EAR.htm/qx

For a period of over six years John Burney consistently lied about his identity and day after day misrepresented not only himself but all other facts about his background....He failed to file federal income tax returns and pay taxes to the United States Government....At trial John Burney testified that he left every aspect of his life in Helena, leaving the impression that he was deceased....The overwhelming weight of evidence, almost undisputed, shows that John Burney, a/k/a John Bruce, was guilty of fraud. As the court said in New York Life Insurance Co. v. Nashville Trust Co., 200 Tenn. 513, 292 S.W.2d 749, 754 (1956), about an insured who stayed hidden under very similar circumstances: "We cannot imagine how acts could be more fraudulent."....His fraud permeated the relationships of all of the parties to the degree that any payment or agreement accepted by the parties was a result of the deliberate deception practiced by him....Because of John Burney's fraud and deception, money was paid on the insurance policies and he is indebted to plaintiff...

The plaintiff being the insurance company.
 
2013-05-02 04:09:26 PM  
...and apparently, local lawyers are of the mind that unless the insurance policy specifically contemplated this situation, the insurance company is up shiat creek:

http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/844798_Brenda-Heist-s--100- 00 0-insurance-policy--Will-ex-husband-have-to-pay-the-money-back-.html

To my mind, the judge's ruling that she was "legally dead" is the relevant fact to the payment on the claim. Neither the insurance company nor the beneficiary made any mistake about that.
 
2013-05-02 04:52:30 PM  

freewill: ...and apparently, local lawyers are of the mind that unless the insurance policy specifically contemplated this situation, the insurance company is up shiat creek:

http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/844798_Brenda-Heist-s--100- 00 0-insurance-policy--Will-ex-husband-have-to-pay-the-money-back-.html

To my mind, the judge's ruling that she was "legally dead" is the relevant fact to the payment on the claim. Neither the insurance company nor the beneficiary made any mistake about that.


Screw the insurance company I say, screw them.
 
2013-05-02 09:53:04 PM  
Now, will the feds require repayment of the ssi that the kids received?

/fark lawyers, hooooo
 
2013-05-03 12:29:28 AM  
FTFA: Brenda Heist was released from police custody and will stay with a brother in North Florida for now, Jean Copenhaver, of Brenham, Texas, told The Associated Press.

WTF? Are they trying to finish her off? The only thing worse than being stuck in South Florida is being stuck in North Florida... or Central Florida. No. Wait. North is worst. Central is not as bad as North, but is worse than South. But North Florida absolutely sucks the worst.
 
2013-05-03 01:43:40 AM  
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Grew up in the Keys, met volumes of people over the years who were willful dropouts from society, many of whom I know by a 'nickname' as opposed to any birthname or legal name.

When I realized I was spinning my wheels and wanted to further my education after highschool, I also realized I would instantly be overqualified and likely underemployed the moment I attained one, had I decided to stay.

On the rare occasion, you'd meet and chance a conversation with someone in their sober hours and realize they were literate, possibly event lettered, but had left the mainland out of family discord or some bizarre Margaritaville fantasy of 'getting away from it all'.  Some of the conversations were amazing, many of them also would later end up in conspiracyville.

If they find Howard Hughes there one day, I won't even blink.

Others 24 years of pretty good (some pretty weird) memories, but happiness (and personal sanity) was definitely Monroe County in my rear-view mirror.

</CSB>


/Somewhere KeysDude and I have probably crossed paths
//MHS '87
 
2013-05-03 07:04:58 PM  

Cheron: Over the last few years I've been growing a stash of cash and basics hidden about a hundred yards off a hiking trail.  I've worked out a fairly detailed plan of where to leave my car, what to do with my wallet and cell phone and how to melt into the background.  If you don't have an exit plan you're fooling yourself and you will regret it.


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