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2013-05-02 04:00:30 PM
#2 Worst Decision of My Life:

In 1997, I sold 10 full milk crates of 12" vinyl singles - circa 1986 -1994 - including (even then) rare Ultimixes - for $250, so I could do something else dumb, that I can't even remember because it was so lame. Even the damn milk crates were vintage Superior Dairy Fresh cool.

Trying to be a Buddha now, so a good reminder of impermanence, attachment and suffering. I guess. ARRRRGGHGHHGGHH!
 
2013-05-02 04:33:01 PM
mongbiohazard:

Is that 3.5 TB all music? And is it FLAC or MP3? If it's music, and not FLAC, then that's a pretty damn impressive collection. Impressive if it's FLAC too, just a little less so!

My 7 TB of server space is getting pretty close to capacity at this point. I've filled about 6.5 TB with movies and TV shows. The 250 gigs of music in my music archive is chump change compared to that stuff... Building that server was one of the best things I've ever done. It runs 24/7, and runs my DNS updater for my domain, runs my Plex server and runs my FTP server. And with Plex (and a few convenient shortcuts on my wife's laptop's desktop) even my technolgically challenged wife can watch any of that media over the LAN in our house any time she likes on her tablet or laptop. It's like magic. Personally I don't even watch TV anymore. If my wife didn't like college football (ewww, sports, gross) I'd cancel the cable package and just have internet.


All music, most of which is running 320 - a few things I was dumb enough when I was starting to digitize at 160... but I'm an old dog, and my ears are shot to hell anyway, so I figure I'm not missing too much.

It's a bunch - but I have weird, weird tastes. The usual guff, then there's stuff like Cab Calloway, Fats Waller, Middle Eastern Oud music, a LOT of old Jazz (Bix Biederbecke, Chet Baker) traditional Japanese shamisen, blah blah blah...

A lot I used to listen to, and have never (and probably will never) gotten back to - Cheap Trick, Supertramp - I think I have the Starland Vocal Band in there somewhere. But, if I get the kick to hear "Afternoon Delight," it's there in seconds without a safari through the basement. A lot of stuff blossoms big quickly; "So - what's all this about Jobim? Oooooh - slinky! Lets go Bossa Crazy!" It's not all that amazing, when you figure I had 35 years to gather the stuff, and it's all there.

For every whippersnapper who complains, "You'll never listen to all of it," there's some graybeard like me who has 305,760 adult hours under his belt with 16,800 hours of transit time to/from school/work alone behind him. That doesn't include evenings, weekends, before bed, getting ready for work...

You Have time. You may only listen once to a bunch of stuff, but you do have time. You just can't clutch your favorite teddy bears all the time.
 
2013-05-02 04:34:55 PM

kab: moothemagiccow: It's not like musicians make a shiatload of money off sales, either, but the "I'll go see your concert when you spend thousands to come visit my podunk town on the other side of the world" is retarded

Yes, it is.  Not to mention that some acts rely solely on sales, seeing as they don't tour, or play live anywhere.. and that bands don't get all the money from a ticket sale either.

I find that the whole "I support bands by seeing them live / buying t-shirts" is thrown around more as a piracy excuse than a legitimate support theory.

In this society, music is a disposable expectation, rather than an appreciated art form, and the average listeners behavior towards it reflects that.


This works mostly for bands under the Grateful Dead/Bluegrass umbrella. Most allow taping of their shows, sometimes directly from the soundboard. Most of these bands/artists promote the sharing of this free music.
At the same time, most of these bands never play the same song back to back nights which encourages people to catch multiple shows.
For instance when Yonder Mountain String band does Winter Tour through the southeast I normally do 4 to 6 shows. I also pick up tour and or show posters and a shirt or 2. I always buy their studio releases, though I prefer live recordings. In return I am always able to have recordings of shows I attend. Win win all around.
 
2013-05-02 04:37:34 PM

Pepperjack: I took a slightly different path with my music consumption. I set up an internet stream with around 1500 titles that I love and connect to it through my phone in the car, and over a micropowered FM transmitter around the house. I'm ex-radio so I used my now worthless career knowledge to set up my rotations, artist separation and whatnot, and the clockwheels rotate through the genres and eras about flawlessly. I never know what's coming up next, but I know I'll like it. AAC+ quality and it sounds damned good. Plus, I can listen anywhere I can get an internet connection.


I did that too (not the FM part).  Problem is the way I set it up, you couldn't skip songs.
 
2013-05-02 04:45:30 PM
downstairs:

I did that too (not the FM part).  Problem is the way I set it up, you couldn't skip songs.

I can't either, but since I hand picked every track that's in there, I like them all. Right now playing "Let Em In" by Wings. Just transitioned to "Sad But True" from Metallica. Good stuff!
 
2013-05-02 04:51:07 PM

busy chillin': frepnog: kab: perigee: Own it? I do. Protected? It is. Useable? Eminently.

Purchased it all?
Think it's all actually worth listening to?

as a music collector with 3 or 4 hundred gigs of music, I have TONS of stuff I either never or will never listen to.

then why i have it?

I went through my playlist a few months ago and deleted all the sh*t I never want to hear again. it makes the random work so much better. If I have to skip a song it is my fault.


Did that - it ended up being a mistake to me. Overly anal, and shortsighted (in my opinion - not calling you either, of course.). Why throw out something that is not a significant drag on your resources? I was a real imbecile there for a while, even down to deleting tracks 4, 8,9, and 12 from an album because I didn't like 'em... never for a minute thinking, "they cost less than a half-penny to store, Hard Drive space is limitless, and who knows - maybe you'll like 'em later, or someone else in the house would, or did, or just want to hear the album as it was released, just for kicks... "Never want to hear again" is a LONG time, especially if you're not 70 years old. If you're in your 20s, that's probably better than a half century.

Big collections aren't hard to gather; but the time it takes to learn the pitfalls-that-seem-like-good-ideas... that takes some hard schooling.
 
2013-05-02 05:13:36 PM
I think the idea that people don't have the time to listen to full albums anymore are not taking the time or don't have the patience to sit and listen to large chunks of music. It takes some concentration for sure, but imagine all the time most people waste sitting and watching television shows every night. I have a theory that music is no longer enough to hold many people's attention. We are accustomed to music serving as background music (think about when you go shopping or even at the dentist). It's sad but I think people see music as a viable form of art or entertainment these days, at least not by itself. Also I'm referring to sitting down listening to recorded music only, not seeing live music since that would include a visual component. I don't think the majority of the general public sits down and really listens to music like they did in generations past. I know some people that do, but it's definitely not the majority
 
2013-05-02 05:27:17 PM
Collecting is fine.  Obsessing gets strange.  There were two bands that I was into where I had to be a completest about.  Didn't matter if it was a different cover, import, single, live bootleg, guest appearance by one of the members on a song by a different band, solo off-shoot, or whatever.
 
2013-05-02 05:47:02 PM
Has there been any studies of the sound quality of vinyl vs. compact disc?  Not supposed audiophiles claiming that LPs sound better than CDs, but real, as-scientific-as-possible studies of the each medium's sound quality?  Because people who claim to prefer LPs over CDs...I skeptical.

But also trying to keep an open mind.
 
2013-05-02 05:57:43 PM

IntertubeUser: Has there been any studies of the sound quality of vinyl vs. compact disc?  Not supposed audiophiles claiming that LPs sound better than CDs, but real, as-scientific-as-possible studies of the each medium's sound quality?  Because people who claim to prefer LPs over CDs...I skeptical.

But also trying to keep an open mind.


LPs supposedly have a broader ranged of sound and have the ability to pick up lows and highs a lot better than CDs. When music goes onto a CD is get compressed so there are less dynamics. That's what I've heard although I've never seen a peer reviewed article about it. My favorite way to listen to music is a high quality download onto my flash drive which I plug into my blu ray surround sound system. i'll take that over a record any day. I am an amateur musician so I listen to the music that I record hundreds of times over and in my opinion the quality of speakers and what it's being played on is more important to sound quality than analog versus digital
 
2013-05-02 06:04:41 PM
...the only source outside of my computer on which I can listen to music at home is my trusted turntable...

I bet he doesn't own a TV either.
 
2013-05-02 08:07:31 PM

Spartapuss: All you're really missing is this:

"the Pandoras and Spotifys of the world are nothing more than whore houses, ready to accommodate fringe enthusiasts whenever they find themselves longing for a quick connection"

sounds like a well balanced individual


Well, he does write for Pop Matters, after all.
 
2013-05-02 08:27:01 PM

moothemagiccow: LeroyBourne: schpanky: I always thought of myself more as a collector.  But recently I started using Spotify and am now enjoying the opportunity to hear almost anything I can think of, allowing me to discover all kinds of music that I may have never encountered otherwise. I see no problem with this.  And if I like something enough, I can purchase it for myself anyway.

I know, the writer is a d-bag.  Had he done any research he would know that spotify pays the artist money when you listen to their song/album.  I can't remember the last time I downloaded/stole music off the internet.  If it's there for me to stream, and I have to listen to some 15 sec commercial everyonceinawhile, fine.

They get a fraction of a cent


Look who is so wise in the business of record companies
 
2013-05-02 10:31:41 PM
63 posts on a Fark music/Spotify thread and not one mention of Audacity?

Why pay for music when you can get it for free or outright steal it, and still be able to biatch about how there's no good music anymore?
 
kab
2013-05-02 11:11:53 PM

Fano: Look who is so wise in the business of record companies


How is knowledge of what Spotify pays 'the business of record companies' exactly?  Google might be your friend.
 
2013-05-02 11:31:18 PM

kab: Fano: Look who is so wise in the business of record companies

How is knowledge of what Spotify pays 'the business of record companies' exactly?  Google might be your friend.


relax, i'm trying to make a joke about the labels paying artists so poorly that half a cent per listen seems like a much bbbetter deal
 
2013-05-03 02:02:27 AM

Bslim: Blah blah Black Crows...

And that's when I decided to not waste my time.

/Aware of the irony of wasting time posting this.
//slashies





You didn't waste your time. You now get to feel superior. Two times superior. So, you have that going for you.

/off to play a Black Crows song on guitar
 
2013-05-03 09:31:52 AM
I like physical media, and still own LPs that I bought as a teen in the 70's. Right now I'm working my way through every Haydn string quartet, on CD, listening to 3 quartets per night, before I listen to something else. Is this even possible using online services? Just curious.
 
2013-05-03 09:42:01 AM

perigee: busy chillin': frepnog: kab: perigee: Own it? I do. Protected? It is. Useable? Eminently.

Purchased it all?
Think it's all actually worth listening to?

as a music collector with 3 or 4 hundred gigs of music, I have TONS of stuff I either never or will never listen to.

then why i have it?

I went through my playlist a few months ago and deleted all the sh*t I never want to hear again. it makes the random work so much better. If I have to skip a song it is my fault.

Did that - it ended up being a mistake to me. Overly anal, and shortsighted (in my opinion - not calling you either, of course.). Why throw out something that is not a significant drag on your resources? I was a real imbecile there for a while, even down to deleting tracks 4, 8,9, and 12 from an album because I didn't like 'em... never for a minute thinking, "they cost less than a half-penny to store, Hard Drive space is limitless, and who knows - maybe you'll like 'em later, or someone else in the house would, or did, or just want to hear the album as it was released, just for kicks... "Never want to hear again" is a LONG time, especially if you're not 70 years old. If you're in your 20s, that's probably better than a half century.

Big collections aren't hard to gather; but the time it takes to learn the pitfalls-that-seem-like-good-ideas... that takes some hard schooling.


Valid points. But the songs I deleted were from a live recording of a band I don't like at all that a friend gave me so I know I won't miss them.

And I did delete "Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts" off Blood on the Tracks but I don't miss it. If someone says "I want to hear it" then I will say, "It is terrible. Not in this house."

I guess I am not a purist anymore.
 
2013-05-03 10:40:44 AM

Marquis de Sod: I like physical media, and still own LPs that I bought as a teen in the 70's. Right now I'm working my way through every Haydn string quartet, on CD, listening to 3 quartets per night, before I listen to something else. Is this even possible using online services? Just curious.


Spotify is free.  Satiate your curiosity.

(Hint:  there are about 40 albums that show up when I search on "Haydn string quartet")
 
2013-05-03 10:56:33 AM
Nobody ever heard of a "collector's edition" mp3 or stream. I had some albums that were true classics, and like an ignorant teenager, I let them slip through my hands. Stuff like the original first-run box set of George Harrison's concert for Bangladesh, the Butcher Cover edition of the Beatles' Yesterday and Today, Behold and See by Ultimate Spinach, among others.
 
2013-05-03 11:14:31 AM

HAMMERTOE: Nobody ever heard of a "collector's edition" mp3 or stream. I had some albums that were true classics, and like an ignorant teenager, I let them slip through my hands. Stuff like the original first-run box set of George Harrison's concert for Bangladesh, the Butcher Cover edition of the Beatles' Yesterday and Today, Behold and See by Ultimate Spinach, among others.


haha yea, I know that feeling!

(But kids today just take the Prozac)
 
2013-05-03 11:38:43 AM
12349876: GarySZ: I kept thinking this when reading this and other similar articles. Do these people not realize this is possible?

It's the only way I listen to Spotify.  I'll search a band and album and set the whole album to play.  Now I don't usually last long on it because I mostly use Spotify for new to me music from anthology/review sites I like, but when I find something that's intriguing, I listen front to back.  Probably helps I'm largely into progressive music, both broadly and specifically.



It's not the same as OWNING the music. Even if it's just on Itunes.
 
2013-05-03 01:46:39 PM

magnificentfarkwad: 12349876: GarySZ: I kept thinking this when reading this and other similar articles. Do these people not realize this is possible?

It's the only way I listen to Spotify.  I'll search a band and album and set the whole album to play.  Now I don't usually last long on it because I mostly use Spotify for new to me music from anthology/review sites I like, but when I find something that's intriguing, I listen front to back.  Probably helps I'm largely into progressive music, both broadly and specifically.


It's not the same as OWNING the music. Even if it's just on Itunes.


I guess you missed my very next post so I'll say it again.  If the intrigue turns to love, I buy and own it.  Except maybe for some back catalogs of a band who has had lineup and label changes.  No use supporting the people who won't be making the next album.
 
2013-05-03 01:59:08 PM

12349876: magnificentfarkwad: 12349876: GarySZ: I kept thinking this when reading this and other similar articles. Do these people not realize this is possible?

It's the only way I listen to Spotify.  I'll search a band and album and set the whole album to play.  Now I don't usually last long on it because I mostly use Spotify for new to me music from anthology/review sites I like, but when I find something that's intriguing, I listen front to back.  Probably helps I'm largely into progressive music, both broadly and specifically.


It's not the same as OWNING the music. Even if it's just on Itunes.

I guess you missed my very next post so I'll say it again.  If the intrigue turns to love, I buy and own it.  Except maybe for some back catalogs of a band who has had lineup and label changes.  No use supporting the people who won't be making the next album.



heh,  this right here is why I stopped giving Dave Mustaine money.
 
2013-05-03 02:04:18 PM
Stopped reading at "In defense of".  If your hobby of collecting music is something that you feel you need to defend, that says to me that you're likely not doing it for the right reasons anyway.  Like physical copies of music? - then buy physical copies.  Like streaming and listening to individual tracks?  Then farking do that.  I just don't see where this need to get outside approval comes from.  If you are just Patrick Bateman and collecting music because. you. want. to. fit. in., then you shouldn't be writing about it on the internet.

Grow the fark up and listen to the music you like, in the format you like, and stop worrying about what other people think.
 
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