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(Quad City Times)   Turkey slaughterhouse that employed mentally handicapped men and allowed them to live in squalor while taking 90% of their wages found guilty of varied crimes, ordered to pay the men $240 million   (qctimes.com) divider line 116
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2013-05-02 08:02:52 AM  
That's just retarded.
 
2013-05-02 08:11:51 AM  
I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.
 
2013-05-02 08:21:39 AM  
M-O-O-N spells rich tards.
 
2013-05-02 08:35:00 AM  

WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.


Seriously.  This happening in 1910?  Yeah, I could certainly see that.  But in this day and age?  Don't ANY of these people have family looking out for them?
 
2013-05-02 08:41:43 AM  
clearly we need less regulation!
 
2013-05-02 08:50:15 AM  
Great, just what we need. A couple of more Donald Trumps.
 
2013-05-02 08:50:26 AM  
Stories like this make me happy that my son is too DD to work but then we'll have other problems. Sibs better be looking out for him.
 
2013-05-02 08:52:28 AM  
$240 million?  that's a LOT of pudding

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2013-05-02 08:52:38 AM  
As God is my witness, I thought retarded people like being enslaved to slaughter turkeys!
 
2013-05-02 08:53:26 AM  
Somehow I  don't think PETA  is gonna be all up in arms over this one
 
2013-05-02 08:54:14 AM  
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The employer.
 
2013-05-02 08:54:22 AM  

FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!


Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.
 
2013-05-02 08:54:23 AM  

FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!


Yep. Although, the article said it was a tip-off and not an inspection.
Let's hope this is one of the businesses that actually has laws apply to it and will be required to pay that amount.
 
2013-05-02 08:54:41 AM  
Someone should have been in a Turkish prison.
 
2013-05-02 08:54:45 AM  
GOBBLE, GOBBLE!
 
2013-05-02 08:56:05 AM  
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish slaughterhouse?
 
2013-05-02 08:56:09 AM  

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


Pretty much this. Don't be retarded, Libtard.
 
2013-05-02 08:56:30 AM  
It's ok everybody, because free-market!
 
2013-05-02 08:56:49 AM  
Perhaps now the missus won't act so damned indignant when I inform her that her Thanksgiving dinner has the scent of a retarded man's hands.
 
2013-05-02 08:57:36 AM  

RobotSpider: It's ok everybody, because free-market!


A war of tard against tard.
 
2013-05-02 08:58:07 AM  

doubled99: Somehow I  don't think PETA  is gonna be all up in arms over this one


People for the Euthanasia of Thousands of Animals

approximately 2,000 animals pass through PETA's front door every year and very few make it out alive. The vast majority -- 96 percent in 2011 -- exit the facility out the back door after they have been killed

Agreed
 
2013-05-02 08:58:28 AM  
So that's how they're getting around unions.
 
2013-05-02 08:59:44 AM  

Fade2black: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

Pretty much this. Don't be retarded, Libtard.


When most laypeople invoke regulation, they are envisioning those regulations being enforced. So, just assume they mean regulations + enforcement. You could point out they probably mean heightened enforcement and more inspectors, or just be a douche. Your call.
 
2013-05-02 08:59:45 AM  
It should be against the law to tip the authorities off. Just like you cant take pictures of a slaughterhouse, you shouldn't be able to divulge slave labor, etc.
 
2013-05-02 08:59:49 AM  

bugmn99: Perhaps now the missus won't act so damned indignant when I inform her that her Thanksgiving dinner has the scent of a retarded man's hands.


That or you can wear mitts when taking it out of the oven.
 
2013-05-02 08:59:52 AM  
www.whudat.com
/doesn't see why the gubment is against bootstrappy ontrapenors
 
2013-05-02 09:00:48 AM  
Me thinks there is more to this story.  So these folks lived there for 30 years and the families never ever came by to see them?  They never left, never visited?
 
2013-05-02 09:01:02 AM  
Seriously, there needs to be a Constitutional admendment de-criminalizing compassion.

When corporate persons are told their only purpose is to return as much money to investors and not to be financially distracted by doing the right thing, there's something really wrong the priorities of the legal system.
 
2013-05-02 09:01:34 AM  
Here's why it went on so long "undetected."  The relatives of the disabled men were perfectly happy not having to care for them.

What's interesting is this line from the EEOC attorney:
"Our prosecutors felt that they could not meet the high burden of proof required in criminal court," Greenwood said. In other words, while they are pretty sure some bad stuff happened, they are not sure enough to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.  Imagine this.  Supposedly 30 years of abuse and terrible conditions, and you can't prove that a single crime was committed, yet you feel comfortable charging the guy's company $240 million.
 
2013-05-02 09:01:40 AM  
obviously the EEOC hates america.
 
2013-05-02 09:02:07 AM  

Fade2black: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

Pretty much this. Don't be retarded, Libtard.


Ok so clearly we need to continue defunding regulatory agencies.
 
2013-05-02 09:02:13 AM  
Their families dumped them there 30 years ago?  It's the Magdelene Sisters all over again.
 
2013-05-02 09:03:03 AM  

drb9: Here's why it went on so long "undetected."  The relatives of the disabled men were perfectly happy not having to care for them.

What's interesting is this line from the EEOC attorney:
"Our prosecutors felt that they could not meet the high burden of proof required in criminal court," Greenwood said. In other words, while they are pretty sure some bad stuff happened, they are not sure enough to meet the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.  Imagine this.  Supposedly 30 years of abuse and terrible conditions, and you can't prove that a single crime was committed, yet you feel comfortable charging the guy's company $240 million.


What's wrong with that?
 
2013-05-02 09:03:45 AM  
What a fowl situation.
 
2013-05-02 09:05:56 AM  

SpdrJay: As God is my witness, I thought retarded people like being enslaved to slaughter turkeys!


Was that wrong? Should I have not done that?
 
2013-05-02 09:05:59 AM  

drb9: Supposedly 30 years of abuse and terrible conditions, and you can't prove that a single crime was committed, yet you feel comfortable charging the guy's company $240 million.


It is almost as if criminal and civil proceedings were separate.
 
2013-05-02 09:06:07 AM  
Canino said his agency's next step is to investigate Henry's assets in its effort to collect the money for the disabled men.
"The EEOC will bear down with all our energies to fully explore all the sources of assets of this company," he said. "We're not playing."
Henry's, which also does business as Hill Country Farms, hasn't paid $1.6 million in previous federal and state fines related to the men, according to records.


Yeah they aren't seeing a tater tot of that money.
 
2013-05-02 09:08:13 AM  

ph0rk: drb9: Supposedly 30 years of abuse and terrible conditions, and you can't prove that a single crime was committed, yet you feel comfortable charging the guy's company $240 million.

It is almost as if criminal and civil proceedings were separate.


Obviously they are separate.  I'm saying that if you can accumulate $240 million in damages, you damn well should be able to prove a crime was committed during that time.
 
2013-05-02 09:09:03 AM  
It's nobody's business but the Turks.
 
2013-05-02 09:09:13 AM  
Damn Turks. Constantine would roll over in his grave.
 
2013-05-02 09:11:14 AM  

drb9: ph0rk: drb9: Supposedly 30 years of abuse and terrible conditions, and you can't prove that a single crime was committed, yet you feel comfortable charging the guy's company $240 million.

It is almost as if criminal and civil proceedings were separate.

Obviously they are separate.  I'm saying that if you can accumulate $240 million in damages, you damn well should be able to prove a crime was committed during that time.


How do you feel about the civil judgement against OJ?
 
2013-05-02 09:12:23 AM  
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WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.


The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.
 
2013-05-02 09:15:36 AM  
If we got rid of the EEOC and its job-killing regulations the Market would take care of this. People would do their own research and vote with their dollars. They'd only buy turkeys from non-slave plants. Companies that did this kind of thing would lose customers and treat their workers better.

But we've gotten lazy because the coercive government steals the job creators' money and does it all for us. Thank Galt for Paul Ryan and Rand Paul who will get rid of this Market-distorting abomination and lead us into the Promised Land
 
2013-05-02 09:15:42 AM  

drb9: ph0rk: drb9: Supposedly 30 years of abuse and terrible conditions, and you can't prove that a single crime was committed, yet you feel comfortable charging the guy's company $240 million.

It is almost as if criminal and civil proceedings were separate.

Obviously they are separate.  I'm saying that if you can accumulate $240 million in damages, you damn well should be able to prove a crime was committed during that time.


How about that OJ Simpson thingy?  I read about it on the back page of the paper, 20 years ago or so.
 
2013-05-02 09:15:57 AM  

espiaboricua: p>WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.

The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.


Justice system? More like legal market.
 
gja
2013-05-02 09:16:23 AM  
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2013-05-02 09:16:27 AM  

James!: So that's how they're getting around unions.


Well that and...

Woman ARRESTED For Filming Slaughterhouse from Public Street

LGT Young Turks har har
 
2013-05-02 09:16:47 AM  
"To me, it's a statement that the mentally challenged are human beings, that they do count,to potato" she said.
 
2013-05-02 09:17:38 AM  
To be fair, he really only hired locals to be kept as slaves.  Besides, how else can we compete with China?
 
2013-05-02 09:21:08 AM  

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


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Don't gimme that jive, turkey.
 
2013-05-02 09:22:20 AM  

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


funding to enforce current regulation would help, how do you feel on that?
 
2013-05-02 09:22:57 AM  
fartbongo is anti-business!!!

persecution of 'job creators'!!!!
 
2013-05-02 09:23:56 AM  
The plaintiffs are seriously fooling themselves if they think they'll ever see a dime of that money.  The old crotchety owner will tie this thing up in appeals courts from now till the end of time.
 
2013-05-02 09:24:06 AM  
They really milked that exemption to the minimum wage.  Another reason there is little sense in any exemptions.  But it does highlight the unlikely benefits of the "free market" competition that is always touted if the minimum wage was just done away with.

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


Or bent.  Minimum wages also have (or used to anyway) alternative pay caps for programmers so essentially if the employer paid 5 times minimum wage as salary, they were exempted from paying anything more for your excessive hours.

The Department of Labor was tested by another government auditor by sending in fake employees who complained of clear violations.  8 times the DOL workers gave the fake employee the runaround, blew them off or told them they may as well get another job since the employer will fire them for complaining despite the fact they were supposed to be protected by law for complaining.  Another DOL employee lied and closed the case despite doing nothing and one person actually did their job.   So even if you were getting a screwing, at least under the last administration, you had a 10% shot of anyone giving a crap at the agency there to help with such matters.
 
gja
2013-05-02 09:24:14 AM  

liam76: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

funding to enforce current regulation would help, how do you feel on that?


Show me a solid citation whereby funding has been cut
 
2013-05-02 09:24:27 AM  
Great.  Now my fecal contaminated ground turkey is going to cost me $.02 /lb. more.

Thanks Obama.
 
2013-05-02 09:25:01 AM  
Slavery!  Do you want to know more?
 
2013-05-02 09:25:35 AM  
7.5M$?
Now THATS retarded

Sure, bad and wrong and all that jazz, but how the hell does bad and wrong and shiat work out to be 7.5 Million per person?

I'm never going to understand american law or ethics am I?
 
2013-05-02 09:27:24 AM  

wickedragon: 7.5M$?
Now THATS retarded

Sure, bad and wrong and all that jazz, but how the hell does bad and wrong and shiat work out to be 7.5 Million per person?

I'm never going to understand american law or ethics am I?


So what sort of value (in terms of reparation) would you put on 30 years of slave labor?
 
2013-05-02 09:27:33 AM  

espiaboricua: p>WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.

The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.


Another example of job-killing regulations shutting down industry.
 
2013-05-02 09:28:18 AM  
farking savages.
 
2013-05-02 09:29:18 AM  

espiaboricua: p>WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.

The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.


Okay, a couple of things that may, or may not, have been mentioned in the story (the QC Times keeps rewriting and relinking):

1. This is not the first fine levied against Henry.
2. There are already almost $2 million in fines from the State of Iowa.
3. Henry shut down his Iowa operation and ran back to Texas making it impossible for the State of Iowa to collect.

I'm hoping that EEOC can seize everything that Henry has hidden in Texas.
 
2013-05-02 09:29:19 AM  

espiaboricua: p>WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.

The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.


Let me guess, soon after they opened a new company calls Schmenry's, which miraculously has all of the assets but none of the liabilities of the old company.
 
2013-05-02 09:30:29 AM  
The problem is none of the companies executives and/or stockholders will be facing jailtime over this.  Yet if a store clerk sells cigs to a minor while working for a company he/she is arrested and not just fined like company executives get.
 
2013-05-02 09:32:12 AM  
This Henry character should die in prison.
 
2013-05-02 09:33:36 AM  

gja: liam76: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

funding to enforce current regulation would help, how do you feel on that?

Show me a solid citation whereby funding has been cut


Where did I say funding had been cut?

Now it is possible there are records that show that this house and the workers were investigated by the appropriate agencies, and maybe they dropped the ball.  However I am guessing there was never money to have peopel check up on the work and home conditions of these pople.  Don;t you htink more funding woudl help that?
 
2013-05-02 09:34:39 AM  
This article paints a more descriptive picture of the kind of operation this guy was running. No heath care, wouldn't even help 'the boys' sign up for Medicaid, no company tax returns for years, it goes on and on.

Basically, a good 'job creator'.
 
2013-05-02 09:42:24 AM  

neversubmit: doubled99: Somehow I  don't think PETA  is gonna be all up in arms over this one

People for the Euthanasia of Thousands of Animals

approximately 2,000 animals pass through PETA's front door every year and very few make it out alive. The vast majority -- 96 percent in 2011 -- exit the facility out the back door after they have been killed

Agreed


Noting, of course, that the animals PETA takes in are the ones that cannot be given to no-kill shelters, or who already reached their due date at kill-shelters without being adopted due to either temperament, health issues, or other reasons.  Making a final, almost invariably doomed, attempt to save them from having to be put down may be pointless, but I suppose one would have to figure out a human to animal translation program to ask that last 4% what they think.

Don't be such an idiot that I feel forced to defend PETA.  You disagree with them, fine, disagree with them.  Sea Kittens was probably the stupidest idea for an ad campaign ever.  They have a dozen stupid positions easy argued against at every side.  In fact, about the only thing even more stupid would be koolaid drinking context-less statistical bullshiat to argue against a strawman when the opponent is already so flimsy a strong breeze should knock them over.

Wait, no, I think having a circle jerk over how awesome you are for parroting a talking point out of context in an unrelated article would probably top even that.
 
2013-05-02 09:46:09 AM  
I thought these jackholes already declared bankruptcy, making sure the potato-counters can go get bent. Time to bring back the tar and feather treatment for people like this (not the poor kids who were essentially slaves for most of their lives).
 
2013-05-02 09:47:20 AM  

vudukungfu: Great, just what we need. A couple of more Donald Trumps.


Alright, I lol'd.
 
2013-05-02 09:47:28 AM  

neversubmit: doubled99: Somehow I  don't think PETA  is gonna be all up in arms over this one

People for the Euthanasia of Thousands of Animals

approximately 2,000 animals pass through PETA's front door every year and very few make it out alive. The vast majority -- 96 percent in 2011 -- exit the facility out the back door after they have been killed

Agreed


Sigh.  While I hate defending PETA in any way...you realize you're quoting HuffPo, who are quoting Winograd, who, in his touchy-feely way, completely MIS-quotes the famous Newkirk line thusly "a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."

That's only half the quote; taking something that far out of context is basically lying.

While I agree that homeless animals SHOULD be cared for, nobody's stepping up to the plate to provide them ALL with homes, leaving kill-shelters the last resort in far too many cases.

Instead of biatching about PETA's partial solution, DO something about the problem.  WInograd, at least, is apparently involved in no-kill shelters, but he should reserve his fire for the morons who don't spay their pets.
 
2013-05-02 09:47:28 AM  

ph0rk: Fade2black: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

Pretty much this. Don't be retarded, Libtard.

When most laypeople invoke regulation, they are envisioning those regulations being enforced. So, just assume they mean regulations + enforcement. You could point out they probably mean heightened enforcement and more inspectors, or just be a douche. Your call.


I'm going to say bull feces.

with new gun laws, for instance, the gun nut crowd says to enforce the laws on the books. people don't listen to that and derp about new regulations.

people assume we don't have enough regulatory hurdles, and that new laws enforce themselves. Plus, police enforcers are bad wrong.

people don't seem concerned enough to protest for better enforcement. they just want to stick it to the man with a new legal/ regulatory acronym.
 
2013-05-02 09:50:08 AM  
Say what you will about the crime, but it would make a heck of a horror movie.

Picture Hostel but with retards and livestock.
 
2013-05-02 10:00:29 AM  

maggoo: Say what you will about the crime, but it would make a heck of a horror movie.

Picture Hostel but with retards and livestock.


Already has been done.
 
2013-05-02 10:01:10 AM  
So the company that provided these people as laborers has shut down.  But the actual slaughter facility is going strong, and currently supplies all of the turkey products used in Subway sandwich shops east of the Rockies.  I'm surprised that they didn't get roped into the liability somehow since they have rather deep pockets.
 
gja
2013-05-02 10:03:37 AM  

liam76: gja: liam76: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

funding to enforce current regulation would help, how do you feel on that?

Show me a solid citation whereby funding has been cut

Where did I say funding had been cut?

Now it is possible there are records that show that this house and the workers were investigated by the appropriate agencies, and maybe they dropped the ball.  However I am guessing there was never money to have peopel check up on the work and home conditions of these pople.  Don;t you htink more funding woudl help that?


More funding would likely NOT help. Making the gov employees do their farking job and be more diligent (and also get the local LEO to help them get access and such) WOULD help. FYI, the EEOC funding has increased by quite a few million YOY (year-over-year), so that is why I posit more $ thrown at it won't do very much, if anything at all (sadly).

Plenty of reg's and laws, they just need some really vigorous enforcing. And we need to make some examples of a few such that others go "oh fuuuuuuu they're serious".
 
2013-05-02 10:04:35 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Don't be such an idiot that I feel forced to defend PETA.


So you're saying you feel forced,what else do you feel?

PunGent: Instead of biatching


I wasn't biatching I was agreeing with another poster but thanks for... whatever it is you are doing.
 
2013-05-02 10:06:56 AM  
WTF!?  There is proof of physical abuse and NO ONE IS CHARGED AT ALL!?

Who in the fark can get away with beating up people?

Texan douschebags, that's who.

/ "It's their fault for being kidnapped and forced to work for us, they were asking for it with all the screaming and moaning!"
 
2013-05-02 10:07:43 AM  

buzzcut73: This article paints a more descriptive picture of the kind of operation this guy was running. No heath care, wouldn't even help 'the boys' sign up for Medicaid, no company tax returns for years, it goes on and on.

Basically, a good 'job creator'.


"He said his poor health that he testified to Monday "made no difference" with the jury."
 
2013-05-02 10:09:51 AM  
This is apalling.  Human piece of garbage.  If you read some of the related articles you get a better picture of the guy.  He even goes so far as to blame the families of the disabled men for not visiting and noticing the problems themselves, saying they should feel guilty.
 
2013-05-02 10:12:25 AM  

ongbok: maggoo: Say what you will about the crime, but it would make a heck of a horror movie.

Picture Hostel but with retards and livestock.

Already has been done.


Meat's meat, and man's gotta eat.
 
2013-05-02 10:16:03 AM  
One of my jobs is working with adult mentally disabled men (the youngest guy is ~50, the oldest ~75). I get extremely frustrated with the system they're in. Many go to workshops and do actual work, but there's never money for me to take them to breakfast or even get them a candy bar. I end up spending a huge chunk of my paycheck on candy and colored pencils and Big Boy. I have no access to their financial records, but something seems off. They are kept clean and have a really nice house, which is awesome. Their families rarely call or visit. Many of their guardians are siblings and I'm pretty sure that's where their money is going.

The only things I can do is take them to free stuff, like the senior citizens do a big band performance at a high school and sometimes I'll go to the museum, bat my eyelashes and can sneak them in for free (thanx front desk guy at the DIA).

Stuff like this makes me feel terrible and frustrated. I really hope these guys get taken care of, but I'm pretty sure they'll never benefit from that money. Goddamnitsomuch.
 
2013-05-02 10:18:32 AM  

BitwiseShift: Seriously, there needs to be a Constitutional admendment de-criminalizing compassion.

When corporate persons are told their only purpose is to return as much money to investors and not to be financially distracted by doing the right thing, there's something really wrong the priorities of the legal system.


As happened in Bangladesh. The logical end result of unfettered amoralistic capitalism.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 10:19:59 AM  
tennessee.hillbilly: The old crotchety owner will tie this thing up in appeals courts from now till the end of time.

Normally to put off paying a judgment until after appeal the losing party must post a bond. This is called an "appeal bond" or "supersedeas bond." This rule aims to prevent frivolous appeals for the purpose of delay.

I don't know if the rules applicable to this case require posting a bond.
 
2013-05-02 10:25:25 AM  

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


FTA:
The U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division and the Center for Public Representation have launched investigations into ADA complaints regarding how mentally disabled workers are paid, Gant said.
For instance, prior to this case, companies could hire mentally disabled workers for less than minimum wage if they could prove the worker was in some sort of "training program." The U.S. Department of Labor is revisiting the waiver due to the Atalissa case, she said.
 
2013-05-02 10:35:05 AM  

wickedragon: 7.5M$?
Now THATS retarded

Sure, bad and wrong and all that jazz, but how the hell does bad and wrong and shiat work out to be 7.5 Million per person?

I'm never going to understand american law or ethics am I?


Punitive damages.  And in this particular case, I think it's proper.
 
2013-05-02 10:39:04 AM  

WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.


He's already pleading poverty. He'll shut the business down, blame it on the court case, and people who worked at the place will be unemployed. Then he'll cry about the job creators being persecuted by big government regulations.
 
2013-05-02 10:39:29 AM  

Necronic: This is apalling.  Human piece of garbage.  If you read some of the related articles you get a better picture of the guy.  He even goes so far as to blame the families of the disabled men for not visiting and noticing the problems themselves, saying they should feel guilty.


The families were probably getting and cashing disability checks for a lot of these folks.  That would explain the big gaping silence from them on where the people were and what was happening to them.
 
2013-05-02 10:46:01 AM  

jafiwam: Necronic: This is apalling.  Human piece of garbage.  If you read some of the related articles you get a better picture of the guy.  He even goes so far as to blame the families of the disabled men for not visiting and noticing the problems themselves, saying they should feel guilty.

The families were probably getting and cashing disability checks for a lot of these folks.  That would explain the big gaping silence from them on where the people were and what was happening to them.


Would they have been getting disability checks if they were employed? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if these people were being victimized from all sides.
 
2013-05-02 11:29:58 AM  
Stop me if you heard this one. A guy walks into a bar and spots a hot blonde in the corner. He walks over to her and says, "are your parents retarded, because you sure do look special to me".

/Now pass the gravy over.

culturemob.com
 
2013-05-02 11:42:51 AM  
Something something potato.
 
2013-05-02 11:48:26 AM  

megarian: One of my jobs is working with adult mentally disabled men (the youngest guy is ~50, the oldest ~75). I get extremely frustrated with the system they're in. Many go to workshops and do actual work, but there's never money for me to take them to breakfast or even get them a candy bar. I end up spending a huge chunk of my paycheck on candy and colored pencils and Big Boy. I have no access to their financial records, but something seems off. They are kept clean and have a really nice house, which is awesome. Their families rarely call or visit. Many of their guardians are siblings and I'm pretty sure that's where their money is going.

The only things I can do is take them to free stuff, like the senior citizens do a big band performance at a high school and sometimes I'll go to the museum, bat my eyelashes and can sneak them in for free (thanx front desk guy at the DIA).

Stuff like this makes me feel terrible and frustrated. I really hope these guys get taken care of, but I'm pretty sure they'll never benefit from that money. Goddamnitsomuch.


Who pays for their food and housing? I have a small child as of yet but I've heard that for adults all federal money goes to the agency that provides residence.  Each resident then would only get like $50/month spending money. Rich and poor get the same unless families have set up a special needs trust to pay for the extras - favorite popsicles, an Icee from 7-11, movie, etc. Special needs trusts are a fairly new thing. Clients in the age range you are talking about would have had a tough upbringing with fewer opportunities than our children today. It takes a big heart to do what you are doing. Hats off to you!

I would guess in the this abuse case that families drove over on Sunday to take their loved one out to lunch but never questioned conditions because their loved one was clean and happy to see them. That is what I hope at least, some minimal amount of contact.

Some institutions/group homes require residents to sleep there or they are charged a fee. At a Catholic managed home here, it is $100/night which infuriates me because it discourages families from spending time with their loved ones. On the other hand, there are waiting lists of people to get into these care homes.

We need more advocates, people. If this story upsets you, get out in your community and volunteer or advocate for those with special needs.
 
2013-05-02 11:54:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: drb9: ph0rk: drb9: Supposedly 30 years of abuse and terrible conditions, and you can't prove that a single crime was committed, yet you feel comfortable charging the guy's company $240 million.

It is almost as if criminal and civil proceedings were separate.

Obviously they are separate.  I'm saying that if you can accumulate $240 million in damages, you damn well should be able to prove a crime was committed during that time.

How do you feel about the civil judgement against OJ?


I don't want to speak for him, but there is a difference between saying you fall into the burden gap (difference between criminal and civil) in one case, and falling into it for 30 years.
 
2013-05-02 11:55:43 AM  

jafiwam: Necronic: This is apalling.  Human piece of garbage.  If you read some of the related articles you get a better picture of the guy.  He even goes so far as to blame the families of the disabled men for not visiting and noticing the problems themselves, saying they should feel guilty.

The families were probably getting and cashing disability checks for a lot of these folks.  That would explain the big gaping silence from them on where the people were and what was happening to them.


It is strange that one of the articles said the employer wouldn't help the men sign up for Medicaid. So, I don't think they were getting federal assistance.  The employer though was getting lots of free labor. Had he tried to get federal assistance for them, then he would have been more closely regulated.  These guys may be so old that they would have been cared for the people that birthed them - you know the libertarian ideal - then when they reached adulthood, their families found them a place to live, a job, care, etc.  The employer was probably considered a savior by the families.
 
2013-05-02 11:59:17 AM  
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You wouldn't belive what those workers were forced to do.
 
2013-05-02 12:01:55 PM  
DeerNuts:
He's already pleading poverty. He'll shut the business down, blame it on the court case, and people who worked at the place will be unemployed. Then he'll cry about the job creators being persecuted by big government regulations.

yyyyyyyyyyyyup
 
2013-05-02 12:20:08 PM  
I volunteer to punish owners and management.

A lot. Worse than the Taliban.
 
2013-05-02 12:28:03 PM  

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


Maybe some FUNDING for enforcement, then? It's an old trick politicians use: Pass feel-good laws without the budgetary back-up.

We can't continue to cut taxes and expect our national standards to remain above Bangladesh's forever.
 
2013-05-02 12:45:49 PM  

Madame Ovary: megarian: One of my jobs is working with adult mentally disabled men (the youngest guy is ~50, the oldest ~75). I get extremely frustrated with the system they're in. Many go to workshops and do actual work, but there's never money for me to take them to breakfast or even get them a candy bar. I end up spending a huge chunk of my paycheck on candy and colored pencils and Big Boy. I have no access to their financial records, but something seems off. They are kept clean and have a really nice house, which is awesome. Their families rarely call or visit. Many of their guardians are siblings and I'm pretty sure that's where their money is going.

The only things I can do is take them to free stuff, like the senior citizens do a big band performance at a high school and sometimes I'll go to the museum, bat my eyelashes and can sneak them in for free (thanx front desk guy at the DIA).

Stuff like this makes me feel terrible and frustrated. I really hope these guys get taken care of, but I'm pretty sure they'll never benefit from that money. Goddamnitsomuch.

Who pays for their food and housing? I have a small child as of yet but I've heard that for adults all federal money goes to the agency that provides residence.  Each resident then would only get like $50/month spending money. Rich and poor get the same unless families have set up a special needs trust to pay for the extras - favorite popsicles, an Icee from 7-11, movie, etc. Special needs trusts are a fairly new thing. Clients in the age range you are talking about would have had a tough upbringing with fewer opportunities than our children today. It takes a big heart to do what you are doing. Hats off to you!

I would guess in the this abuse case that families drove over on Sunday to take their loved one out to lunch but never questioned conditions because their loved one was clean and happy to see them. That is what I hope at least, some minimal amount of contact.

Some institutions/group homes require residents to sleep there or they are charged a fee. At a Catholic managed home here, it is $100/night which infuriates me because it discourages families from spending time with their loved ones. On the other hand, there are waiting lists of people to get into these care homes.

We need more advocates, people. If this story upsets you, get out in your community and volunteer or advocate for those with special needs.


The home gets their SSI and benefits. Their workshop money goes into a bank account. It upsets me when a sister or brother has control over an account and I've heard from that sister like, once every few months. They get Popsicles and stuff but no money to do much of anything else. I used to volunteer but now with school and internship (basically volunteer work) and required hours, I don't have spare time until August. I think mentally disabled older adults don't get very much attention so I'm doing fundraisers to get the guys to summer camp and just sort of let people know that this population is out there. The guys I work with are pretty awesome, funny, and good company (especially for a person that doesn't get along well with "normal" people...I'm kind of a jerk).
 
2013-05-02 01:12:07 PM  
To bad they couldn't sentence him to 5 yrs living and working under the same conditions.
 
2013-05-02 01:14:13 PM  

megarian: Madame Ovary: megarian: One of my jobs is working with adult mentally disabled men (the youngest guy is ~50, the oldest ~75). I get extremely frustrated with the system they're in. Many go to workshops and do actual work, but there's never money for me to take them to breakfast or even get them a candy bar. I end up spending a huge chunk of my paycheck on candy and colored pencils and Big Boy. I have no access to their financial records, but something seems off. They are kept clean and have a really nice house, which is awesome. Their families rarely call or visit. Many of their guardians are siblings and I'm pretty sure that's where their money is going.

The only things I can do is take them to free stuff, like the senior citizens do a big band performance at a high school and sometimes I'll go to the museum, bat my eyelashes and can sneak them in for free (thanx front desk guy at the DIA).

Stuff like this makes me feel terrible and frustrated. I really hope these guys get taken care of, but I'm pretty sure they'll never benefit from that money. Goddamnitsomuch.

Who pays for their food and housing? I have a small child as of yet but I've heard that for adults all federal money goes to the agency that provides residence.  Each resident then would only get like $50/month spending money. Rich and poor get the same unless families have set up a special needs trust to pay for the extras - favorite popsicles, an Icee from 7-11, movie, etc. Special needs trusts are a fairly new thing. Clients in the age range you are talking about would have had a tough upbringing with fewer opportunities than our children today. It takes a big heart to do what you are doing. Hats off to you!

I would guess in the this abuse case that families drove over on Sunday to take their loved one out to lunch but never questioned conditions because their loved one was clean and happy to see them. That is what I hope at least, some minimal amount of contact.

Some institutions/group homes requir ...


The current system will be overwhelmed with adults in the near future with the autism generation aging out of the school systems. Parents are becoming greater advocates for their kids fortunately.  Still, I think some parents are so relieved to get some help and fear losing that help that they are willing to accept substandard care for their loved one as long as they aren't "abused".

We are trying to raise our kids with a sense of responsibility for their brother but who knows what will happen. No one wants the risk of having to care for him 24/7, 365 days/yr. Navigating rights, laws, government aide, complicated healthcare needs, etc. is very confusing and budgets for those in care are often the first to be cut.

You are correct, also, that rec is so important for this population. I try to take my son on 3 outings/day - library, 7-11, bike ride, etc.  It can be exhausting but we see behavioral benefits at home.

Keep up the good work! I hope you are going into neuroscience/psych, special ed law, or  special ed or one of the therapies. It sounds like you have the heart for it.
 
2013-05-02 01:14:24 PM  

drb9: Here's why it went on so long "undetected."  The relatives of the disabled men were perfectly happy not having to care for them.


....to the point of expressing no curiosity whatever about the mens' lives, in case they might have to do something. It might not have seen the light of day except the one guy's sister was sharp enough to see how it would make her look for not reporting once she was told.
 
2013-05-02 01:21:08 PM  
There many different studies that rank services for those with disabilities. This was recently published by the United Cerebral Palsy Foundation.http://www.ucp.org/the-case-for-inclusion/2013/ranking_map .html
 
2013-05-02 01:26:33 PM  

zetar: espiaboricua: p>WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.

The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.

Okay, a couple of things that may, or may not, have been mentioned in the story (the QC Times keeps rewriting and relinking):

1. This is not the first fine levied against Henry.
2. There are already almost $2 million in fines from the State of Iowa.
3. Henry shut down his Iowa operation and ran back to Texas making it impossible for the State of Iowa to collect.

I'm hoping that EEOC can seize everything that Henry has hidden in Texas.


Texas is one of the most difficult states in which to enforce a civil judgment, if not the most difficult.
/not an expert
 
2013-05-02 01:27:08 PM  
Traditionally, it's been difficult to beat someone in civil court if the criminal courts hadn't already validated grounds for recompence. Since OJ, the civil courts have been eveners for people who beat the system in the criminal courts. It smells a little like double jeopardy, but who's complaining?
 
2013-05-02 01:31:25 PM  
Madame Ovary:

Thanks! I'm doing my master's in mental health and social work.

Difficulty: Detroit :)

But I love it. Thanks for the kind words! Very much appreciated.
 
2013-05-02 01:42:06 PM  
I'm surprised how quick farkers are to demonize the families. It is exhausting caring for someone with severe disabilities. A life commitment and then some. These men are old. They were raised when disability, especially developmental disability, was seriously stigmatized in the community.  Doctors would tell families to send their dd children away and forget about them, and they would.  If parents could do that, it would be even easier for siblings.

I can't find an anti-bullying documentary from the 1950s.  Mom calls the police because a group of high school boys are bullying the woman's dd son who is playing in the front yard. He is riding a tire horse. Anyway know the psa I'm talking about?
 
2013-05-02 02:11:33 PM  

Madame Ovary: I'm surprised how quick farkers are to demonize the families. It is exhausting caring for someone with severe disabilities. A life commitment and then some. These men are old. They were raised when disability, especially developmental disability, was seriously stigmatized in the community.  Doctors would tell families to send their dd children away and forget about them, and they would.  If parents could do that, it would be even easier for siblings.

I can't find an anti-bullying documentary from the 1950s.  Mom calls the police because a group of high school boys are bullying the woman's dd son who is playing in the front yard. He is riding a tire horse. Anyway know the psa I'm talking about?


I'm not demonizing the families.  Actually, maybe I am.  I believe that many/most of them were quite content to have their relative out of their house and not "exhausting" them.  Not being a "life commitment."  I believe they were so happy to have this be the case that they turned a blind eye to the living and working conditions.  (They are in good company, by the way.  The Kennedys did it to Rosemary.)  And then, when someone told the relatives that they could turn around and profit from this situation, they did what every right-thinking American would do--they greedily accepted this approach.
 
2013-05-02 03:01:32 PM  
Great ruling, except that all of the former workers accepted two pieces of string, a marble, and a chunk of shoe leather in exchange for their share of the judgment amount.
 
2013-05-02 03:42:59 PM  

drb9: Madame Ovary: I'm surprised how quick farkers are to demonize the families. It is exhausting caring for someone with severe disabilities. A life commitment and then some. These men are old. They were raised when disability, especially developmental disability, was seriously stigmatized in the community.  Doctors would tell families to send their dd children away and forget about them, and they would.  If parents could do that, it would be even easier for siblings.

I can't find an anti-bullying documentary from the 1950s.  Mom calls the police because a group of high school boys are bullying the woman's dd son who is playing in the front yard. He is riding a tire horse. Anyway know the psa I'm talking about?

I'm not demonizing the families.  Actually, maybe I am.  I believe that many/most of them were quite content to have their relative out of their house and not "exhausting" them.  Not being a "life commitment."  I believe they were so happy to have this be the case that they turned a blind eye to the living and working conditions.  (They are in good company, by the way.  The Kennedys did it to Rosemary.)  And then, when someone told the relatives that they could turn around and profit from this situation, they did what every right-thinking American would do--they greedily accepted this approach.


Wasn't it a family member that identified the abuse?   Anyways, there is some historical truth to what you're saying, but you really can't speculate.  The only hard facts we have in this case surround an evil old man.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 03:57:32 PM  
GoldDude: Great ruling, except that all of the former workers accepted two pieces of string, a marble, and a chunk of shoe leather in exchange for their share of the judgment amount.

There was a case in Massachusetts a year or two ago where a sleazy loan company was offering a somewhat mentally disabled woman pennies on the dollar for a judgment she had won. For whatever reason (possibly the woman's condition) a judge had to approve the deal. Instead of approving he threatened the company with contempt if they tried to take advantage of the woman again.  Sadly I can't find the case; it was probably on socialaw.com which wipes trial court orders from its site after six months.
 
2013-05-02 05:19:55 PM  

ph0rk: You could point out they probably mean heightened enforcement and more inspectors


And be wrong.  Because there's a pretty clear difference between calling up your critter and asking for more funding/priority for enforcement and asking for new laws.
 
2013-05-02 05:56:30 PM  

nekom: Don't ANY of these people have family looking out for them?


Clearly not many of them had "family" who cared enough to notice and act.

Which is we shouldn't setup a system that requires "family" to bear the sole responsibility for people with a legal disability (including children) in the first place -- not everyone has a family that is able or willing provide (potentially life-long) support services when they're in need, and some of the people have terrible families that will actively exploit them given the chance.
 
2013-05-02 06:00:23 PM  

WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.


FTFA: "Henry's, which also does business as Hill Country Farms, hasn't paid $1.6 million in previous federal and state fines related to the men, according to records."

so these guys have a judgement but little chance of getting any real money.
 
2013-05-02 08:00:23 PM  

JohnCarter: Me thinks there is more to this story.  So these folks lived there for 30 years and the families never ever came by to see them?  They never left, never visited?


There tards --Duh
 
2013-05-03 03:51:24 AM  
That's gonna buy a whole lot of crayons and wrestling tickets.
 
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