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(Quad City Times)   Turkey slaughterhouse that employed mentally handicapped men and allowed them to live in squalor while taking 90% of their wages found guilty of varied crimes, ordered to pay the men $240 million   (qctimes.com) divider line 116
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2013-05-02 09:22:20 AM  

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


funding to enforce current regulation would help, how do you feel on that?
 
2013-05-02 09:22:57 AM  
fartbongo is anti-business!!!

persecution of 'job creators'!!!!
 
2013-05-02 09:23:56 AM  
The plaintiffs are seriously fooling themselves if they think they'll ever see a dime of that money.  The old crotchety owner will tie this thing up in appeals courts from now till the end of time.
 
2013-05-02 09:24:06 AM  
They really milked that exemption to the minimum wage.  Another reason there is little sense in any exemptions.  But it does highlight the unlikely benefits of the "free market" competition that is always touted if the minimum wage was just done away with.

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


Or bent.  Minimum wages also have (or used to anyway) alternative pay caps for programmers so essentially if the employer paid 5 times minimum wage as salary, they were exempted from paying anything more for your excessive hours.

The Department of Labor was tested by another government auditor by sending in fake employees who complained of clear violations.  8 times the DOL workers gave the fake employee the runaround, blew them off or told them they may as well get another job since the employer will fire them for complaining despite the fact they were supposed to be protected by law for complaining.  Another DOL employee lied and closed the case despite doing nothing and one person actually did their job.   So even if you were getting a screwing, at least under the last administration, you had a 10% shot of anyone giving a crap at the agency there to help with such matters.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 09:24:14 AM  

liam76: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

funding to enforce current regulation would help, how do you feel on that?


Show me a solid citation whereby funding has been cut
 
2013-05-02 09:24:27 AM  
Great.  Now my fecal contaminated ground turkey is going to cost me $.02 /lb. more.

Thanks Obama.
 
2013-05-02 09:25:01 AM  
Slavery!  Do you want to know more?
 
2013-05-02 09:25:35 AM  
7.5M$?
Now THATS retarded

Sure, bad and wrong and all that jazz, but how the hell does bad and wrong and shiat work out to be 7.5 Million per person?

I'm never going to understand american law or ethics am I?
 
2013-05-02 09:27:24 AM  

wickedragon: 7.5M$?
Now THATS retarded

Sure, bad and wrong and all that jazz, but how the hell does bad and wrong and shiat work out to be 7.5 Million per person?

I'm never going to understand american law or ethics am I?


So what sort of value (in terms of reparation) would you put on 30 years of slave labor?
 
2013-05-02 09:27:33 AM  

espiaboricua: p>WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.

The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.


Another example of job-killing regulations shutting down industry.
 
2013-05-02 09:28:18 AM  
farking savages.
 
2013-05-02 09:29:18 AM  

espiaboricua: p>WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.

The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.


Okay, a couple of things that may, or may not, have been mentioned in the story (the QC Times keeps rewriting and relinking):

1. This is not the first fine levied against Henry.
2. There are already almost $2 million in fines from the State of Iowa.
3. Henry shut down his Iowa operation and ran back to Texas making it impossible for the State of Iowa to collect.

I'm hoping that EEOC can seize everything that Henry has hidden in Texas.
 
2013-05-02 09:29:19 AM  

espiaboricua: p>WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.

The owner of the company has already said that they don't have the money to pay because they closed the company (coincidentially, while this case was being investigated)... so, my most sincere and non-snarky wish of good luck to the EEOC trying to recover that much money from them.


Let me guess, soon after they opened a new company calls Schmenry's, which miraculously has all of the assets but none of the liabilities of the old company.
 
2013-05-02 09:30:29 AM  
The problem is none of the companies executives and/or stockholders will be facing jailtime over this.  Yet if a store clerk sells cigs to a minor while working for a company he/she is arrested and not just fined like company executives get.
 
2013-05-02 09:32:12 AM  
This Henry character should die in prison.
 
2013-05-02 09:33:36 AM  

gja: liam76: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

funding to enforce current regulation would help, how do you feel on that?

Show me a solid citation whereby funding has been cut


Where did I say funding had been cut?

Now it is possible there are records that show that this house and the workers were investigated by the appropriate agencies, and maybe they dropped the ball.  However I am guessing there was never money to have peopel check up on the work and home conditions of these pople.  Don;t you htink more funding woudl help that?
 
2013-05-02 09:34:39 AM  
This article paints a more descriptive picture of the kind of operation this guy was running. No heath care, wouldn't even help 'the boys' sign up for Medicaid, no company tax returns for years, it goes on and on.

Basically, a good 'job creator'.
 
2013-05-02 09:42:24 AM  

neversubmit: doubled99: Somehow I  don't think PETA  is gonna be all up in arms over this one

People for the Euthanasia of Thousands of Animals

approximately 2,000 animals pass through PETA's front door every year and very few make it out alive. The vast majority -- 96 percent in 2011 -- exit the facility out the back door after they have been killed

Agreed


Noting, of course, that the animals PETA takes in are the ones that cannot be given to no-kill shelters, or who already reached their due date at kill-shelters without being adopted due to either temperament, health issues, or other reasons.  Making a final, almost invariably doomed, attempt to save them from having to be put down may be pointless, but I suppose one would have to figure out a human to animal translation program to ask that last 4% what they think.

Don't be such an idiot that I feel forced to defend PETA.  You disagree with them, fine, disagree with them.  Sea Kittens was probably the stupidest idea for an ad campaign ever.  They have a dozen stupid positions easy argued against at every side.  In fact, about the only thing even more stupid would be koolaid drinking context-less statistical bullshiat to argue against a strawman when the opponent is already so flimsy a strong breeze should knock them over.

Wait, no, I think having a circle jerk over how awesome you are for parroting a talking point out of context in an unrelated article would probably top even that.
 
2013-05-02 09:46:09 AM  
I thought these jackholes already declared bankruptcy, making sure the potato-counters can go get bent. Time to bring back the tar and feather treatment for people like this (not the poor kids who were essentially slaves for most of their lives).
 
2013-05-02 09:47:20 AM  

vudukungfu: Great, just what we need. A couple of more Donald Trumps.


Alright, I lol'd.
 
2013-05-02 09:47:28 AM  

neversubmit: doubled99: Somehow I  don't think PETA  is gonna be all up in arms over this one

People for the Euthanasia of Thousands of Animals

approximately 2,000 animals pass through PETA's front door every year and very few make it out alive. The vast majority -- 96 percent in 2011 -- exit the facility out the back door after they have been killed

Agreed


Sigh.  While I hate defending PETA in any way...you realize you're quoting HuffPo, who are quoting Winograd, who, in his touchy-feely way, completely MIS-quotes the famous Newkirk line thusly "a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."

That's only half the quote; taking something that far out of context is basically lying.

While I agree that homeless animals SHOULD be cared for, nobody's stepping up to the plate to provide them ALL with homes, leaving kill-shelters the last resort in far too many cases.

Instead of biatching about PETA's partial solution, DO something about the problem.  WInograd, at least, is apparently involved in no-kill shelters, but he should reserve his fire for the morons who don't spay their pets.
 
2013-05-02 09:47:28 AM  

ph0rk: Fade2black: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

Pretty much this. Don't be retarded, Libtard.

When most laypeople invoke regulation, they are envisioning those regulations being enforced. So, just assume they mean regulations + enforcement. You could point out they probably mean heightened enforcement and more inspectors, or just be a douche. Your call.


I'm going to say bull feces.

with new gun laws, for instance, the gun nut crowd says to enforce the laws on the books. people don't listen to that and derp about new regulations.

people assume we don't have enough regulatory hurdles, and that new laws enforce themselves. Plus, police enforcers are bad wrong.

people don't seem concerned enough to protest for better enforcement. they just want to stick it to the man with a new legal/ regulatory acronym.
 
2013-05-02 09:50:08 AM  
Say what you will about the crime, but it would make a heck of a horror movie.

Picture Hostel but with retards and livestock.
 
2013-05-02 10:00:29 AM  

maggoo: Say what you will about the crime, but it would make a heck of a horror movie.

Picture Hostel but with retards and livestock.


Already has been done.
 
2013-05-02 10:01:10 AM  
So the company that provided these people as laborers has shut down.  But the actual slaughter facility is going strong, and currently supplies all of the turkey products used in Subway sandwich shops east of the Rockies.  I'm surprised that they didn't get roped into the liability somehow since they have rather deep pockets.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 10:03:37 AM  

liam76: gja: liam76: randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.

funding to enforce current regulation would help, how do you feel on that?

Show me a solid citation whereby funding has been cut

Where did I say funding had been cut?

Now it is possible there are records that show that this house and the workers were investigated by the appropriate agencies, and maybe they dropped the ball.  However I am guessing there was never money to have peopel check up on the work and home conditions of these pople.  Don;t you htink more funding woudl help that?


More funding would likely NOT help. Making the gov employees do their farking job and be more diligent (and also get the local LEO to help them get access and such) WOULD help. FYI, the EEOC funding has increased by quite a few million YOY (year-over-year), so that is why I posit more $ thrown at it won't do very much, if anything at all (sadly).

Plenty of reg's and laws, they just need some really vigorous enforcing. And we need to make some examples of a few such that others go "oh fuuuuuuu they're serious".
 
2013-05-02 10:04:35 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Don't be such an idiot that I feel forced to defend PETA.


So you're saying you feel forced,what else do you feel?

PunGent: Instead of biatching


I wasn't biatching I was agreeing with another poster but thanks for... whatever it is you are doing.
 
2013-05-02 10:06:56 AM  
WTF!?  There is proof of physical abuse and NO ONE IS CHARGED AT ALL!?

Who in the fark can get away with beating up people?

Texan douschebags, that's who.

/ "It's their fault for being kidnapped and forced to work for us, they were asking for it with all the screaming and moaning!"
 
2013-05-02 10:07:43 AM  

buzzcut73: This article paints a more descriptive picture of the kind of operation this guy was running. No heath care, wouldn't even help 'the boys' sign up for Medicaid, no company tax returns for years, it goes on and on.

Basically, a good 'job creator'.


"He said his poor health that he testified to Monday "made no difference" with the jury."
 
2013-05-02 10:09:51 AM  
This is apalling.  Human piece of garbage.  If you read some of the related articles you get a better picture of the guy.  He even goes so far as to blame the families of the disabled men for not visiting and noticing the problems themselves, saying they should feel guilty.
 
2013-05-02 10:12:25 AM  

ongbok: maggoo: Say what you will about the crime, but it would make a heck of a horror movie.

Picture Hostel but with retards and livestock.

Already has been done.


Meat's meat, and man's gotta eat.
 
2013-05-02 10:16:03 AM  
One of my jobs is working with adult mentally disabled men (the youngest guy is ~50, the oldest ~75). I get extremely frustrated with the system they're in. Many go to workshops and do actual work, but there's never money for me to take them to breakfast or even get them a candy bar. I end up spending a huge chunk of my paycheck on candy and colored pencils and Big Boy. I have no access to their financial records, but something seems off. They are kept clean and have a really nice house, which is awesome. Their families rarely call or visit. Many of their guardians are siblings and I'm pretty sure that's where their money is going.

The only things I can do is take them to free stuff, like the senior citizens do a big band performance at a high school and sometimes I'll go to the museum, bat my eyelashes and can sneak them in for free (thanx front desk guy at the DIA).

Stuff like this makes me feel terrible and frustrated. I really hope these guys get taken care of, but I'm pretty sure they'll never benefit from that money. Goddamnitsomuch.
 
2013-05-02 10:18:32 AM  

BitwiseShift: Seriously, there needs to be a Constitutional admendment de-criminalizing compassion.

When corporate persons are told their only purpose is to return as much money to investors and not to be financially distracted by doing the right thing, there's something really wrong the priorities of the legal system.


As happened in Bangladesh. The logical end result of unfettered amoralistic capitalism.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 10:19:59 AM  
tennessee.hillbilly: The old crotchety owner will tie this thing up in appeals courts from now till the end of time.

Normally to put off paying a judgment until after appeal the losing party must post a bond. This is called an "appeal bond" or "supersedeas bond." This rule aims to prevent frivolous appeals for the purpose of delay.

I don't know if the rules applicable to this case require posting a bond.
 
2013-05-02 10:25:25 AM  

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


FTA:
The U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division and the Center for Public Representation have launched investigations into ADA complaints regarding how mentally disabled workers are paid, Gant said.
For instance, prior to this case, companies could hire mentally disabled workers for less than minimum wage if they could prove the worker was in some sort of "training program." The U.S. Department of Labor is revisiting the waiver due to the Atalissa case, she said.
 
2013-05-02 10:35:05 AM  

wickedragon: 7.5M$?
Now THATS retarded

Sure, bad and wrong and all that jazz, but how the hell does bad and wrong and shiat work out to be 7.5 Million per person?

I'm never going to understand american law or ethics am I?


Punitive damages.  And in this particular case, I think it's proper.
 
2013-05-02 10:39:04 AM  

WTFDYW: I can't farking believe this went under the radar for so long. I hope Henry's has the assetts to be forced to pay each of these men all that they were awarded.


He's already pleading poverty. He'll shut the business down, blame it on the court case, and people who worked at the place will be unemployed. Then he'll cry about the job creators being persecuted by big government regulations.
 
2013-05-02 10:39:29 AM  

Necronic: This is apalling.  Human piece of garbage.  If you read some of the related articles you get a better picture of the guy.  He even goes so far as to blame the families of the disabled men for not visiting and noticing the problems themselves, saying they should feel guilty.


The families were probably getting and cashing disability checks for a lot of these folks.  That would explain the big gaping silence from them on where the people were and what was happening to them.
 
2013-05-02 10:46:01 AM  

jafiwam: Necronic: This is apalling.  Human piece of garbage.  If you read some of the related articles you get a better picture of the guy.  He even goes so far as to blame the families of the disabled men for not visiting and noticing the problems themselves, saying they should feel guilty.

The families were probably getting and cashing disability checks for a lot of these folks.  That would explain the big gaping silence from them on where the people were and what was happening to them.


Would they have been getting disability checks if they were employed? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if these people were being victimized from all sides.
 
2013-05-02 11:29:58 AM  
Stop me if you heard this one. A guy walks into a bar and spots a hot blonde in the corner. He walks over to her and says, "are your parents retarded, because you sure do look special to me".

/Now pass the gravy over.

culturemob.com
 
2013-05-02 11:42:51 AM  
Something something potato.
 
2013-05-02 11:48:26 AM  

megarian: One of my jobs is working with adult mentally disabled men (the youngest guy is ~50, the oldest ~75). I get extremely frustrated with the system they're in. Many go to workshops and do actual work, but there's never money for me to take them to breakfast or even get them a candy bar. I end up spending a huge chunk of my paycheck on candy and colored pencils and Big Boy. I have no access to their financial records, but something seems off. They are kept clean and have a really nice house, which is awesome. Their families rarely call or visit. Many of their guardians are siblings and I'm pretty sure that's where their money is going.

The only things I can do is take them to free stuff, like the senior citizens do a big band performance at a high school and sometimes I'll go to the museum, bat my eyelashes and can sneak them in for free (thanx front desk guy at the DIA).

Stuff like this makes me feel terrible and frustrated. I really hope these guys get taken care of, but I'm pretty sure they'll never benefit from that money. Goddamnitsomuch.


Who pays for their food and housing? I have a small child as of yet but I've heard that for adults all federal money goes to the agency that provides residence.  Each resident then would only get like $50/month spending money. Rich and poor get the same unless families have set up a special needs trust to pay for the extras - favorite popsicles, an Icee from 7-11, movie, etc. Special needs trusts are a fairly new thing. Clients in the age range you are talking about would have had a tough upbringing with fewer opportunities than our children today. It takes a big heart to do what you are doing. Hats off to you!

I would guess in the this abuse case that families drove over on Sunday to take their loved one out to lunch but never questioned conditions because their loved one was clean and happy to see them. That is what I hope at least, some minimal amount of contact.

Some institutions/group homes require residents to sleep there or they are charged a fee. At a Catholic managed home here, it is $100/night which infuriates me because it discourages families from spending time with their loved ones. On the other hand, there are waiting lists of people to get into these care homes.

We need more advocates, people. If this story upsets you, get out in your community and volunteer or advocate for those with special needs.
 
2013-05-02 11:54:46 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: drb9: ph0rk: drb9: Supposedly 30 years of abuse and terrible conditions, and you can't prove that a single crime was committed, yet you feel comfortable charging the guy's company $240 million.

It is almost as if criminal and civil proceedings were separate.

Obviously they are separate.  I'm saying that if you can accumulate $240 million in damages, you damn well should be able to prove a crime was committed during that time.

How do you feel about the civil judgement against OJ?


I don't want to speak for him, but there is a difference between saying you fall into the burden gap (difference between criminal and civil) in one case, and falling into it for 30 years.
 
2013-05-02 11:55:43 AM  

jafiwam: Necronic: This is apalling.  Human piece of garbage.  If you read some of the related articles you get a better picture of the guy.  He even goes so far as to blame the families of the disabled men for not visiting and noticing the problems themselves, saying they should feel guilty.

The families were probably getting and cashing disability checks for a lot of these folks.  That would explain the big gaping silence from them on where the people were and what was happening to them.


It is strange that one of the articles said the employer wouldn't help the men sign up for Medicaid. So, I don't think they were getting federal assistance.  The employer though was getting lots of free labor. Had he tried to get federal assistance for them, then he would have been more closely regulated.  These guys may be so old that they would have been cared for the people that birthed them - you know the libertarian ideal - then when they reached adulthood, their families found them a place to live, a job, care, etc.  The employer was probably considered a savior by the families.
 
2013-05-02 11:59:17 AM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
You wouldn't belive what those workers were forced to do.
 
2013-05-02 12:01:55 PM  
DeerNuts:
He's already pleading poverty. He'll shut the business down, blame it on the court case, and people who worked at the place will be unemployed. Then he'll cry about the job creators being persecuted by big government regulations.

yyyyyyyyyyyyup
 
2013-05-02 12:20:08 PM  
I volunteer to punish owners and management.

A lot. Worse than the Taliban.
 
2013-05-02 12:28:03 PM  

randomjsa: FlashHarry: clearly we need less regulation!

Don't be inept. Regulations were being violated nine ways from Sunday having more or less regulations would change nothing for the victims in this case.


Maybe some FUNDING for enforcement, then? It's an old trick politicians use: Pass feel-good laws without the budgetary back-up.

We can't continue to cut taxes and expect our national standards to remain above Bangladesh's forever.
 
2013-05-02 12:45:49 PM  

Madame Ovary: megarian: One of my jobs is working with adult mentally disabled men (the youngest guy is ~50, the oldest ~75). I get extremely frustrated with the system they're in. Many go to workshops and do actual work, but there's never money for me to take them to breakfast or even get them a candy bar. I end up spending a huge chunk of my paycheck on candy and colored pencils and Big Boy. I have no access to their financial records, but something seems off. They are kept clean and have a really nice house, which is awesome. Their families rarely call or visit. Many of their guardians are siblings and I'm pretty sure that's where their money is going.

The only things I can do is take them to free stuff, like the senior citizens do a big band performance at a high school and sometimes I'll go to the museum, bat my eyelashes and can sneak them in for free (thanx front desk guy at the DIA).

Stuff like this makes me feel terrible and frustrated. I really hope these guys get taken care of, but I'm pretty sure they'll never benefit from that money. Goddamnitsomuch.

Who pays for their food and housing? I have a small child as of yet but I've heard that for adults all federal money goes to the agency that provides residence.  Each resident then would only get like $50/month spending money. Rich and poor get the same unless families have set up a special needs trust to pay for the extras - favorite popsicles, an Icee from 7-11, movie, etc. Special needs trusts are a fairly new thing. Clients in the age range you are talking about would have had a tough upbringing with fewer opportunities than our children today. It takes a big heart to do what you are doing. Hats off to you!

I would guess in the this abuse case that families drove over on Sunday to take their loved one out to lunch but never questioned conditions because their loved one was clean and happy to see them. That is what I hope at least, some minimal amount of contact.

Some institutions/group homes require residents to sleep there or they are charged a fee. At a Catholic managed home here, it is $100/night which infuriates me because it discourages families from spending time with their loved ones. On the other hand, there are waiting lists of people to get into these care homes.

We need more advocates, people. If this story upsets you, get out in your community and volunteer or advocate for those with special needs.


The home gets their SSI and benefits. Their workshop money goes into a bank account. It upsets me when a sister or brother has control over an account and I've heard from that sister like, once every few months. They get Popsicles and stuff but no money to do much of anything else. I used to volunteer but now with school and internship (basically volunteer work) and required hours, I don't have spare time until August. I think mentally disabled older adults don't get very much attention so I'm doing fundraisers to get the guys to summer camp and just sort of let people know that this population is out there. The guys I work with are pretty awesome, funny, and good company (especially for a person that doesn't get along well with "normal" people...I'm kind of a jerk).
 
2013-05-02 01:12:07 PM  
To bad they couldn't sentence him to 5 yrs living and working under the same conditions.
 
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