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(C|Net)   "Is Apple losing its edge in tablets?" I thought they copyrighted those edges?   (news.cnet.com) divider line 78
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2013-05-02 12:16:09 PM  

phimuskapsi: RoxtarRyan: When the market gets flooded with countless cheap knockoff $70 tablets, yeah, this was gonna happen. I don't care if it is tablets, cell phones, cars or clothes. Someone makes a product, sells it as a "super-shiny-awesome-4G-with-newest-Android-2.5", they are going to sell the cheap knock-offs to people who don't know any better, hence the "other" category being as high as it is.

That's pretty broad for 'others' given that it doesn't include Motorola, Toshiba, Acer and so on. So I doubt it's all knockoffs. Most people won't buy those things simply due to the cost being so low they assume it's bad quality (and 99 times out of 100, they are right). 

Apple is pricing itself out of the tablet/smartphone war. This is simply due to the fact that Apple is not competing with anyone for iOS loaded hardware. Android hardware suppliers will price cut, add more features and so on to make them more attractive to the common user. 

16GB 7" Tablets
iPad Mini = $330
Nexus 7   = $200. 

The Nexus 7 coming out this summer will launch at $150.


Yep, my nieces both asked for Android devices, a nexus and the Amazon tablet, the iPad or the mini didn't even come into the equation because everything they did with their friends were on Android.

I don't know how apple will fix this, they basically need to do what they did with windows PC's and make it compatible.
 
2013-05-02 12:20:23 PM  

Vaneshi: xkenny13: and I wish the OS/apps ran as slick as on my iPhone.

For a very long time Android didn't have 3D acceleration of its menus, so the whilst games would obviously work fine the interface for the OS would, occasionally, lag like a mofo (as it was all on the CPU to do everything).   I'd make sure you've got the latest version of Android and that all your apps are the latest version possible as more recently they have made Android handoff to the 3D chip for interface rendering.


Good advice ... I tend to apply updates as soon as they're available.  My OS version is Android 4.1.2 ... that's pretty close to the latest.  I'm not sure if 4.2 is even available for this tablet yet ... presumably, it will prompt me.

Hands-down, the best "upgrade" I did was to move from the built-in browser to using the Chrome app for web surfing.  It's still not perfect (lags/hangs), but it's much better than the standard one.

It'd also make sure you're not doing funky stuff like installing apps (or their content) to the SD card, it's way slower and more IO constrained than the devices internal storage (think SSD vs USB caddy you'll get the idea).   If you haven't told the device to do this, I'd also make sure it hasn't decided to just do it for you.

Never knew this was a potential issue ... I pulled my memory card out to test a camera, and all my apps seem to still be here.  The Fark Mobile app seems to work pretty well, actually.  :-)

That might improve your performance and user experience to be more similar to the iPhone.

Thanks for the tips ... I tend to keep in mind that Android is a more all-encompassing OS, and that things like the Galaxy S3/S4 should be their focus, not-so-much for my offshoot ASUS tablet.  Still, I keep hoping things will get more polished for tablets as time goes on.
 
2013-05-02 12:26:14 PM  

xkenny13: Never knew this was a potential issue ... I pulled my memory card out to test a camera, and all my apps seem to still be here.  The Fark Mobile app seems to work pretty well, actually.  :-)


Its not really an option anymore... Starting with 4.1 I think, Android has been moving away from allowing apps to be installed/moved to the external card.  You can put pics, movies and other stuff there, just not apps.  There are 3rd Party apps that can work around this by fooling the OS into thinking a link on the external SD is local... but natively, its no go.
 
2013-05-02 01:11:38 PM  

xkenny13: *sigh* ... another sensationalistic article?  Lesse...

Tablet Year-over-Year Growth (%):  Apple (65.3%) vs Samsung (282.6%)

While Apple is still the world's No. 1 tablet maker, Samsung is No. 2 and growing at a faster rate. Looking specifically at year-over-year growth from first quarter numbers, Apple grew by 65 percent -- not bad. But, Samsung grew by 282 percent, Asus grew by 350 percent, and Amazon grew by 157 percent.

Conclusion: OMG!! Samsung is beating Apple by more than 4-to-1!!!

----

Actual numbers (FTA):

1Q12: Apple (11.8M) vs Samsung (2.3M)
1Q13: Apple (19.5M) vs Samsung (8.8M)

Tablet Year-over-Year Growth (Units):  Apple (7.7M) vs Samsung (6.5M)

Conclusion: Apple's per-unit sales actually increased 18% more than Samsung did in the past year.

Yep, article writers suck.

----

FWIW, I still bought an Android (ASUS) tablet because I wanted to swap out a memory card, and Apple doesn't support that.  The ASUS tablet is nice, but it crashes semi-frequently, and I wish the OS/apps ran as slick as on my iPhone.  I may eventually buy an iPad just to reduce frustration.  My iPhone 4S has never crashed, and it has more years and more miles on it.  Sure wish I could get an iPad with a memory slot and the ability to directly display pics and videos without having to import it into any app or album.


The article title is: "Is Apple losing its edge to a cheaper, smarter tablet market?". The answer to that is quite obvious, yes.
Apple grew 65% in this quarter. Android (All of Android) - grew 251.5% (averaged Sammy, Asus, Amazon, Other scores).

You cannot pick and choose numbers based on a single manufacturer with Android, you just can't. That's not how it works. However, I will point out to you that Samsung's S3 CRUSHED the iPhone last year (by itself), and I bet the S4/HTC One will do it again this summer.  

Blah, blah, blah, crashed, blah blah. I hear this all the time from iPhone users that use Android devices. What exactly are you doing? I experienced crashes with my Droid Charge, but that's with a custom firmware/kernel and doing SU type things in the phone. When I leave my Android devices stock, I never, ever, have had an issue. At least if an Android Tab 'breaks' consumers have many options for repair rather than having to specifically deal with Apple. 

My HTC One can broadcast to any smart TV whatever is on my screen. I take 3 fingers, press down and slide up, and poof ... it appears on the TV. I also have an IR Blaster so I can take control of any TV/Cable Box/Home Theater with little to no effort. 

Interesting note: Google Now is now available on the iPhone 4S and 5.

MassD: xkenny13: Never knew this was a potential issue ... I pulled my memory card out to test a camera, and all my apps seem to still be here.  The Fark Mobile app seems to work pretty well, actually.  :-)

Its not really an option anymore... Starting with 4.1 I think, Android has been moving away from allowing apps to be installed/moved to the external card.  You can put pics, movies and other stuff there, just not apps.  There are 3rd Party apps that can work around this by fooling the OS into thinking a link on the external SD is local... but natively, its no go.


There are multiple ways around this. Rooting is necessary, but in reality, most new phones come with embedded internal storage (mine is 32GB for example). So space is not really an issue. Here's one app that can do this easily.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.codlab.int2ext
 
2013-05-02 01:13:49 PM  

lilplatinum: pup.socket:  and the mini iPad, which blatantly copied it is over 100 bucks more expensive and I think doesn't even have NFC

NFC is just a marketing ploy, that being said the mini iPad has worse resolution (and OS) than the Nexus ..  Nothing like paying a premium for worse technology!


I will be shocked if NFC is not (at least) on the next iPhone, of not also on the next iPads.
 
2013-05-02 01:14:16 PM  
I had a few models of iPad, and I did like them. I still have an iPod touch. However, the iPad is too pricey for what it does, and I decided to sell it, and then spend half of what I got out of it on a Galaxy Tab 2 10.1", and I'm glad I did. I use the tablet as a notebook replacement, and it needs to play nice when I connect a keyboard and mouse. iOS has no mouse support. Android does.

Oh, yeah, and Android can access external hard drives, too. And it's nice expanding storage space with an SD card. And having stereo sound on the tablet itself is kind of cool.

All the apps I had on iOS are available on Android, except Pages, but I do have something close (though I admit it's not as nice as Pages).

The Tab is stable now that they've updated the OS, and the screen is quite nice. The browser supports Flash (had to use an older version of Flash for Android, but it worked), and I don't need to live in Apple's walled garden. I sideload apps without problems.

My mom still rocks her iPad and loves it, and I'm very happy with my iPod touch, but for the tablet I don't feel at all bad about saving $300* and getting all the same functions (plus a few more).

/ * I needed a lot of storage space. Apple doesn't let you use SD cards. You have to buy the most expensive model, instead, if you want more space.
 
2013-05-02 01:27:12 PM  

BizarreMan: moel: Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,

Honest question here.  Once people get beyond the ooooo I can talk to Siri (or any other voice activation feature on the phone) and it gives an answer, COOL, do they really continue to use it?  Is it a useful tool or a marketing gimmick?


I think Siri is a lost cause thanks to Apple's need to win design awards over functionality (also, see expanding battery packs). No matter how good Siri may get in the future, it's really a hidden feature until Apple adds a dedicated hardware button to activate it.  Everyone has been trained that the Home button is essentially to be used as a global app closer/finder doohicky, and not a "use this feature button". Unless you use Siri A LOT, the idea of using the Home button to summon that feature quickly disappears from memory as you repeatably use that same button over and over again to close apps.
 
2013-05-02 01:50:03 PM  

ZeroCorpse: / * I needed a lot of storage space. Apple doesn't let you use SD cards. You have to buy the most expensive model, instead, if you want more space.


I'm not a fan of this. Even non-Apple cell phones are starting to ditch expandable memory, going instead to cloud storage. I hate the cloud, especially since cell phone data plans have gotten MORE expensive with LESS data caps in the last few years, it doesn't make a lick of sense to the consumer. Streaming music can very quickly kill your data cap in a month, along with basic web browsing, emails, etc... Not a fan at all. Seems like smartphones are actually getting "dumber", with more and more of what they do reliant on data being processed or stored on servers, they are becoming more of a dumb terminal with a nice UI. Looking at my data usage for the last month, Google+ has used up 3.68GB (how???!?? I don't even USE Google+! What the hell is it doing in the background....), K9 Mail uses 503MB, another 113 for Youtube (maybe watched 3 videos on it), with surprisingly one of the lesser programs being Dolphin (48 megs.. shocking, since I use that the most out of anything).

Bandwidth is being squeezed between a lot of hidden processes and background running apps, cell phone manufacturers are aiming more and more features to be server-based, and carriers are tightening down on consumer's wallets for every byte they transmit and receive. Makes me really glad I have unlimited data caps on Comcast and Verizon.
 
2013-05-02 02:19:49 PM  

MassD: xkenny13: Never knew this was a potential issue ... I pulled my memory card out to test a camera, and all my apps seem to still be here.  The Fark Mobile app seems to work pretty well, actually.  :-)

Its not really an option anymore... Starting with 4.1 I think, Android has been moving away from allowing apps to be installed/moved to the external card.  You can put pics, movies and other stuff there, just not apps.  There are 3rd Party apps that can work around this by fooling the OS into thinking a link on the external SD is local... but natively, its no go.


Good.  I've seen too many people complain that their Android phone is 'slow' and it turns out they've been using some flavour of 'apps2sd'.  Well gee, that kinda explains the brick wall your phone ran in to speed wise.

I think 4.2's the one that's fully 3D for the UI rendering?  I'm behind on my ASOP changelogs I must admit.

/Not doing to badly for an iOS user though :)
 
2013-05-02 02:36:37 PM  

teknishn: Commenters here seem to have missed the memo that the Nexus 7 and Kindle tablets are sell through.  They have zero profit in them basically.  Sounds like an amazing business strategy.  Apple isn't pricing themselves out of anything.  They're just the only ones that make any money.  Furthermore, last time I checked all the best Android phones cost the same as iPhones.


Samsung Galaxy S3 can be had for $49 at Walmart, and $99 at most other places on contract renewal, comparable to the Iphone 5.

HTC 1x, 99 cents.

Galaxy S2 Free, or 300 bucks out right.  Which was LTE in 2011, runs Jellybean, has NFC...
 
2013-05-02 02:57:36 PM  

phimuskapsi: The article title is: "Is Apple losing its edge to a cheaper, smarter tablet market?". The answer to that is quite obvious, yes.
Apple grew 65% in this quarter. Android (All of Android) - grew 251.5% (averaged Sammy, Asus, Amazon, Other scores).

You cannot pick and choose numbers based on a single manufacturer with Android, you just can't. That's not how it works.


Meh, I picked Samsung, the big boy ... all the other manufacturers are going to be variations on a theme.  In the end, they're still a half-truth.

Don't get me wrong, Samsung going from 2.3M to 8.8M in a year is fantastic ... however, you can't ignore the fact that if you start from a relatively small number (2.3M vs 11.8M), it's FAR-FAR-FAR easier to quadruple your numbers.

Dollars to donuts ... would you rather have a 65% bump on 11.8M, or a 282% bump on 2.3M?  I'll happily take the former.

In the end, the article writer is trying to paint a picture by "picking and choosing" certain numbers ... which you say is wrong.  I agree, to be fair you need consider all of the numbers, but then you wouldn't get the picture they're trying to sell here.

Samsung tablets are certainly growing, but that doesn't mean the Apple iPad is going into the crapper.  Of course, that doesn't generate as many clicks now does it?

However, I will point out to you that Samsung's S3 CRUSHED the iPhone last year (by itself), and I bet the S4/HTC One will do it again this summer.

We were talking about tablets, not phones ... but if it makes you feel better, we can discuss those too.

"CRUSHED" is a little vague (and pointed), so I'd prefer to see actual numbers ... just so we know they're not being generated in a slanted way, you understand.

Either way I'd still say Samsung has done a good job with the S3, whereas the iPhone 5 just wasn't a "revolutionary" phone ... plus there's that new charging cable that I'm staying away from for now.

Currently, I have an iPhone 4S and my wife has the Galaxy S3, so I have experienced them both.  Both are excellent phones, each has pluses and minuses, and neither is perfect.  Personally, I'd like to see Apple do substantially better things with their camera (preferably out-of-the-box!)  I'd also like to see Samsung (or Android?) clean up the weird issues with their volume control, and make their web browser run a LOT smoother.  Not sure who has the better battery life (probably comparable?), but she has more problems with her charger, and I have none with mine.  FWIW...
 
2013-05-02 02:58:27 PM  

xkenny13: FWIW, I still bought an Android (ASUS) tablet because I wanted to swap out a memory card, and Apple doesn't support that.  The ASUS tablet is nice, but it crashes semi-frequently, and I wish the OS/apps ran as slick as on my iPhone.  I may eventually buy an iPad just to reduce frustration.  My iPhone 4S has never crashed, and it has more years and more miles on it.  Sure wish I could get an iPad with a memory slot and the ability to directly display pics and videos without having to import it into any app or album.


FWIW, my iPhone5 has crashed several times in the 3 months I've had it and routinely struggles to update my enterprise email (the gmail app works great at least!).  My wife's Droid Razr Maxx HD has not yet, to my knowledge (she tends to be vocal when her gadgets 'don't just work').

Furthermore, her phone has been a dream to get music, videos, apps, and ebooks loaded onto it, whereas mine requires importing via iTunes (a program I refuse to use for any other purpose on my PC, and took a lot of work to keep it from crashing immediately upon start-up after a fresh install), and converting my videos to specific formats for it to play properly.

/anecdotal experience is anecdotal...
//but, if my choice of work phone wasn't just Blackberry vs. iPhone, I'd be rocking an android phone for sure...
 
2013-05-02 03:03:35 PM  
By the way, the fact that this CAN exist, angers the bejesus out of me...

cdn3.sbnation.com
/I hate when companies "innovate" for the sake of "innovation" while sacrificing customer experience
 
2013-05-02 03:21:25 PM  

xkenny13: phimuskapsi: The article title is: "Is Apple losing its edge to a cheaper, smarter tablet market?". The answer to that is quite obvious, yes.
Apple grew 65% in this quarter. Android (All of Android) - grew 251.5% (averaged Sammy, Asus, Amazon, Other scores)....


"Research firm IDC ranks the South Korean firm as the world's top smartphone seller in the last three quarters. In the latest July-September period, Samsung sold 56.3 million smartphones versus Apple's 26.9 million, IDC said. "

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/11/08/samsung-apple.html  

Battery life is comparable. Weird volume control? In Jelly Bean (on my phone), if I hit the volume rocker at the home screen it changes the ringer volume. There is a gear I can click when it's up on the screen and see ALL of the volume bars. Each volume bar is touch sensitive for adjustments. Web browser I've had no problems, whether it be the stock browser, or Chrome Mobile. Chrome Mobile handles tabs beautifully, and to close you just swipe them away. 

As for the charger comment, that's pretty funny. Because in my experiences micro-USB is a lot more common than say Apple's proprietary connector. The fact that Apple uses a proprietary connection (which effed all the accessory buyers before the iPhone 5 btw) is nonsense. All Android phones use the same connections. All of em. For accessories or chargers - which makes buying accessories and so on, less of a risk long term. 

Apple makes well designed products, I'll give you that, but Android is more flexible. This really is the PC v. Mac debate revisited, and if you want function tied with excellent performance and function, Android phones are now the ones to beat, not the other way around.
 
2013-05-02 03:54:36 PM  

RoxtarRyan: cell phones are starting to ditch expandable memory


That's not true.  Motorola and top-end HTC phones never had expandable memory because they're targeting the people who have cash that they are willing to spend indiscriminately.  Sadly, they're losing the battle because people who indiscriminately spend money are typically people who don't care about freedom/functionality and care more about making a fashion statement.
 
2013-05-02 04:01:07 PM  

phimuskapsi: xkenny13: phimuskapsi: The article title is: "Is Apple losing its edge to a cheaper, smarter tablet market?". The answer to that is quite obvious, yes.
Apple grew 65% in this quarter. Android (All of Android) - grew 251.5% (averaged Sammy, Asus, Amazon, Other scores)....

"Research firm IDC ranks the South Korean firm as the world's top smartphone seller in the last three quarters. In the latest July-September period, Samsung sold 56.3 million smartphones versus Apple's 26.9 million, IDC said. "

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/11/08/samsung-apple.html


Hmmm, the original statement was "Samsung's S3 CRUSHED the iPhone last year (by itself)".  Your linked article reads:

Samsung sold 18 million units of its Galaxy S3 between July and September 2012. That was good enough for 11 per cent of the global total of 168 million units and marks the first time since the iPhone's release that a non-Apple device has held the top spot.
Strategy Analytics says Samsung's sales bested those at Apple, which saw 16.2 million versions of the iPhone 4S during that time period.


Certainly 18m vs 16.2m is better, but it isn't crushing, and that doesn't include the 6M iPhone 5 sales:

Apple sold six million units of the iPhone 5 in its first month, so adding that to iPhone 4 sales, Apple still claims the overall sales dominance.

Not sure if you were also saying "crushed" isn't an accurate statement?  This is also just a Q3 report, not a 2012 annual report.

Battery life is comparable. Weird volume control? In Jelly Bean (on my phone), if I hit the volume rocker at the home screen it changes the ringer volume. There is a gear I can click when it's up on the screen and see ALL of the volume bars. Each volume bar is touch sensitive for adjustments. Web browser I've had no problems, whether it be the stock browser, or Chrome Mobile. Chrome Mobile handles tabs beautifully, and to close you just swipe them away.

She's often trying to show me a YouTube video, but can't get the volume control to cooperate.  As you say, some sounds work, but the YouTube remains silent.  Maybe she's just not as savvy enough to figure it out.   At a minimum, it's not as intuitive as the iPhone version as I've had no problems with controlling the volume.  Also, on my ASUS Android Tablet, it would occasionally get stuck in "mute" mode and I'd have to reboot to get out of it ... haven't seen it in a while, so maybe that got fixed in the OS upgrades.

As for the charger comment, that's pretty funny. Because in my experiences micro-USB is a lot more common than say Apple's proprietary connector. The fact that Apple uses a proprietary connection (which effed all the accessory buyers before the iPhone 5 btw) is nonsense. All Android phones use the same connections. All of em. For accessories or chargers - which makes buying accessories and so on, less of a risk long term.

Okay, so micro-USB is more common, but is it more reliable?  I can find either connector in quantity, the point here was she has problems charging her phone.  The connector doesn't always sit right and it causes problems.

As for proprietary ... I can see Apple staying with the 30-pin dock connector, since there are hundreds of products out there built for it.  The new iPhone 5 connector can be inserted upside-down and still work (or so I'm told?), but that hardly seems like a justification for killing all the backwards compatibility.  If we had a time machine and could make Apple use an industry standard connector, I'd most certainly support that ... so long as it was as reliable as the existing connector.

Apple makes well designed products, I'll give you that, but Android is more flexible. This really is the PC v. Mac debate revisited, and if you want function tied with excellent performance and function, Android phones are now the ones to beat, not the other way around.

I wholeheartedly agree.  Apple needs to really deliver with their next iPhone(s).  Hopefully we'll hear something soon...
 
2013-05-02 04:14:02 PM  

FarkGrudge: By the way, the fact that this CAN exist, angers the bejesus out of me...

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 640x439]
/I hate when companies "innovate" for the sake of "innovation" while sacrificing customer experience


....the hell is that?
 
2013-05-02 04:24:02 PM  

xkenny13: I wholeheartedly agree. Apple needs to really deliver with their next iPhone(s). Hopefully we'll hear something soon...


According to reports, Johnny Ive is going to gut the skeumorphic iOS UI and make it flatter, like Windows Phone 8.
 
2013-05-02 04:31:54 PM  

mjbok: I will be shocked if NFC is not (at least) on the next iPhone, of not also on the next iPads.


I'd say you should get ready for a shock.

It's pretty clear that Apple's stance is that NFC technology does not offer enough unique benefit to be worth sacrificing precious device space for.
 
2013-05-02 04:36:34 PM  

Vaneshi: Good.  I've seen too many people complain that their Android phone is 'slow' and it turns out they've been using some flavour of 'apps2sd'.  Well gee, that kinda explains the brick wall your phone ran in to speed wise.


And this is exactly why Apple doesn't support SD cards and never will.  Normal people don't want to deal with partition management and other administrative tasks.
 
2013-05-02 05:06:18 PM  

poot_rootbeer: It's pretty clear that Apple's stance is that NFC technology does not offer enough unique benefit to be worth sacrificing precious device space for.


You want to make a bet?  One month of Total Fark sponsorship?

poot_rootbeer: And this is exactly why Apple doesn't support SD cards and never will. Normal people don't want to deal with partition management and other administrative tasks.


This has very little (if anything) to do with why Apple doesn't support SD cards.  I have several Android devices and use them solely for media.  Drag files I want to video (or music or picture) folder and that's it.  No thinking necessary, it just works.  Apple doesn't do it for a couple of reasons:  ability to sell 16 more gigs for $100, control of what is put on an iDevice, make it simpler to purchase stuff from iTunes rather than having to convert, import, sync, etc. instead of using files you may already have. Of those reasons 2 are around generating more profit for Apple and one might have a small benefit for idiot users that would put harmful files on their device.

//Have several Apple devices also.  Each flavor has a good side and a bad side.
 
2013-05-02 06:15:41 PM  

moel: Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,


Huh?  I went from a 3gs to a gs3, never had Siri, did download Evi it's less functional that Samsung's application that fits in that space.

Anyway, point is I still use my 3gs as an iPod touch and if I'm out where I need internet on it, PDANet from my gs3.

The 3gs is even runs the latest version of iOS.  I still hate iTunes!
 
2013-05-02 07:02:45 PM  

wjllope: Quantum Apostrophe: i tried explaining the apostrophe to these guy's

What's wrong w/ that apostrophe? They are the nomads lead/owned/controlled/whatever by the Dark Soul


Well, that's what they calmly and pleasantly explained to him when they showed him the error of his ways.
 
2013-05-02 07:04:24 PM  
Apple spends very little on R&D compared to Google. They don't innovate.
Apple should be taking their profits and researching 3D printing and home robotics.

Eventually, Google or someone else will come up with something (like Google Glass) that Apple can't have or compete with.

Take a look at Sears.
Led the world in retail and catalog sales for over a century.

Why doesn't Sears, with it's deep pockets and mail order experience, dominate anymore?

Amazon. Because they innovated.

Same story with GM...
...and eventually, Apple.
 
2013-05-02 07:06:02 PM  

dragonchild: yet_another_wumpus: Apple's always been about absurd margins. They have a choice between keeping the volume or keeping the profit. Apple has always chosen to keep the profit.

It's sustained by coming out with new products, which they have managed to do for quite a while.  Anyone who looks down on their business model probably thinks the PC market is still a critical chunk of their income.  Their emphasis on margin over volume is not a bad one by itself, and a big reason why they use contract manufacturers.  As long as they can keep coming out with something that no one else has, they're fine.  How long they can keep that up is anyone's guess, though.


Even if they can't, selling at a guaranteed high margin to a niche market you can depend on being there is nice work if you can get it. Apple ain't going anywhere.
 
2013-05-02 07:55:47 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:  I looked at some Android devices, but they all felt cheap, and unless you buy a Nexus phone right from Google, you end up in a situation where OS upgrades become very hit and miss. I found a solution with a Nokia Lumia 920 running Windows Phone 8 - awesome build quality, big screen, slick OS, and guaranteed future OS updates and support.

Take a look at the HTC One.  Fantastic build quality, solid aluminum body.
 
2013-05-02 11:54:11 PM  

RoxtarRyan: FarkGrudge: By the way, the fact that this CAN exist, angers the bejesus out of me...

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 640x439]
/I hate when companies "innovate" for the sake of "innovation" while sacrificing customer experience

....the hell is that?


USB to USB converter.  Sorry "Lightning" to USB.  Lightning is what replaced the old 30pin dock style connector on Apple's iDevice line of products.  Why?  Who knows but it probably involves screwing over 3rd party cable people.

Looks really damn flimsy compared to the old dock style as well, makes me glad my iPad2 is the old & decrepit 'dock' version... seriously.
 
2013-05-03 12:46:58 AM  
An Apple thread without BingeThinker basing fandroids? Apple must be losing its edge.
 
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