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2013-05-02 09:00:48 AM
Yes, Apple is losing it is edge.
 
2013-05-02 09:01:38 AM
When the market gets flooded with countless cheap knockoff $70 tablets, yeah, this was gonna happen. I don't care if it is tablets, cell phones, cars or clothes. Someone makes a product, sells it as a "super-shiny-awesome-4G-with-newest-Android-2.5", they are going to sell the cheap knock-offs to people who don't know any better, hence the "other" category being as high as it is.
 
2013-05-02 09:11:51 AM
And subby is losing hi's edge in punctuation.
 
2013-05-02 09:13:43 AM

RoxtarRyan: When the market gets flooded with countless cheap knockoff $70 tablets, yeah, this was gonna happen. I don't care if it is tablets, cell phones, cars or clothes. Someone makes a product, sells it as a "super-shiny-awesome-4G-with-newest-Android-2.5", they are going to sell the cheap knock-offs to people who don't know any better, hence the "other" category being as high as it is.


That's pretty broad for 'others' given that it doesn't include Motorola, Toshiba, Acer and so on. So I doubt it's all knockoffs. Most people won't buy those things simply due to the cost being so low they assume it's bad quality (and 99 times out of 100, they are right). 

Apple is pricing itself out of the tablet/smartphone war. This is simply due to the fact that Apple is not competing with anyone for iOS loaded hardware. Android hardware suppliers will price cut, add more features and so on to make them more attractive to the common user. 

16GB 7" Tablets
iPad Mini = $330
Nexus 7   = $200. 

The Nexus 7 coming out this summer will launch at $150.
 
2013-05-02 09:14:32 AM
Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,
 
2013-05-02 09:16:45 AM

phimuskapsi: Apple is pricing itself out of the tablet/smartphone war.


Just like they priced themselves out of the PC war (back when IBM/DOS-based and Mac-based computers were both referred to as PCs). It's why the IBM PC is the dominant platform today, and the same will eventually happen between iOS and Android.
 
2013-05-02 09:18:49 AM

moel: Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,


Dunno about you, but I have Google Now on my HTC One, and it is better at understanding me, faster at finding results and isn't 'clever' or 'funny' it just works. I've done tests head to head with an iPhone 4S and 5, Siri ain't got sh*t.
 
2013-05-02 09:21:05 AM

moel: Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,


Honest question here.  Once people get beyond the ooooo I can talk to Siri (or any other voice activation feature on the phone) and it gives an answer, COOL, do they really continue to use it?  Is it a useful tool or a marketing gimmick?
 
2013-05-02 09:28:57 AM

phimuskapsi: Apple is pricing itself out of the tablet/smartphone war. This is simply due to the fact that Apple is not competing with anyone for iOS loaded hardware.


It's the cycle of life.  When you innovate a technology you get to dictate the price on it for a while, but eventually the rest of the world catches up and you're forced to compete on price.  There will be a huge overcorrection as some jackass sets an absurdly low price point to try to squeeze everyone else out of the market (with laptops it was Dell back in the day).  Eventually the market will settle, with 90% of Americans thinking it's a disposable product with a niche market for quality-minded consumers.  The days when Apple can make absurd margins on their tablets are numbered.
 
2013-05-02 09:29:59 AM

RoxtarRyan: When the market gets flooded with countless cheap knockoff $70 tablets, yeah, this was gonna happen. I don't care if it is tablets, cell phones, cars or clothes. Someone makes a product, sells it as a "super-shiny-awesome-4G-with-newest-Android-2.5", they are going to sell the cheap knock-offs to people who don't know any better, hence the "other" category being as high as it is.


Mac Mini, 32GB Wifi, $429.
Nexus 7, 32GB Wifi, $250.
Kindle Fire HD, 32GB Wifi, $230.

All three are really great hardware platforms, hardly 'cheap knock-offs".  Apple could justify it's hardware margins when content on Android was limited.  Now that content on android is at least as good as iOS, there is very little reason for anyone new to the tablet market to choose Apple over an Android counterpart.
 
2013-05-02 09:31:44 AM

phimuskapsi: That's pretty broad for 'others' given that it doesn't include Motorola, Toshiba, Acer and so on.


True, but there is no doubt that cheap knockoffs sell like hotcakes. I'm seeing bids on eBay for them.. people are actually trying to outspend others for these things.

It's sad.


BizarreMan: Honest question here. Once people get beyond the ooooo I can talk to Siri (or any other voice activation feature on the phone) and it gives an answer, COOL, do they really continue to use it? Is it a useful tool or a marketing gimmick?


From what I've understood from Apple users who have used Siri before it became an imbedded Apple install, it was more functional beforehand. After Apple bought it and retooled it, it became less functional. IIRC, even Apple still insists it is "beta" software, but that was a while ago, not sure if they still stand by that)
 
2013-05-02 09:34:19 AM

Driedsponge: All three are really great hardware platforms, hardly 'cheap knock-offs"


Not sure why people keep lumping in name brands with "cheap knock offs". Sounds like a few of you guys have a personal bias.
 
2013-05-02 09:39:27 AM
Did they ever have an edge? The fist usable (no need for lap support) and reasonably fast tablet on the market was the Google Nexus, and the mini iPad, which blatantly copied it is over 100 bucks more expensive and I think doesn't even have NFC, in addition to not running ParanoidAndroid. What "edge" are we talking about here?
 
2013-05-02 09:40:31 AM

RoxtarRyan: Driedsponge: All three are really great hardware platforms, hardly 'cheap knock-offs"

Not sure why people keep lumping in name brands with "cheap knock offs". Sounds like a few of you guys have a personal bias.


You said the market was being flooded with 'cheap knock-offs'.  Apple created the iPad mini in direct response to the market being flooded by the Kindle Fire and the Nexus 7, not Archos and Coby.
 
2013-05-02 09:43:17 AM
edge's, subby. duh.

i tried explaining the apostrophe to these guy's

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they showed me the error of my way's
 
2013-05-02 09:43:17 AM

Driedsponge: Mac Mini, 32GB Wifi, $429.
Nexus 7, 32GB Wifi, $250.
Kindle Fire HD, 32GB Wifi, $230.

All three are really great hardware platforms, hardly 'cheap knock-offs". Apple could justify it's hardware margins when content on Android was limited. Now that content on android is at least as good as iOS, there is very little reason for anyone new to the tablet market to choose Apple over an Android counterpart.


You're absolutely right, but I don't think that's what he's referring to as "knock-offs". There are some really, really bad tablets out there in the $100 range or less running obsolete versions of Android and are extremely underpowered. I think I've even seen one without a capacitive screen. Now, depending on your intentions, those things may actually, but if you get frisky and start installing apps on them, you're gonna have a bad time.
 
2013-05-02 09:49:11 AM

moel: Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,


fark you, hipster
 
2013-05-02 09:50:40 AM
Driedsponge:   Apple created the iPad mini in direct response to the market being flooded by the Kindle Fire and the Nexus 7, not Archos and Coby.

Absolutely true! No company would waste their time/money developing something to compete with the knock-offs. That'd be like Calvin Klein making jeans just to compete with the black market single-stitch jeans. Those shiatty things aren't even worth acknowledging by making a competing product. However, it doesn't mean that enough of those cheap-o tablets have been sold to not have a decent portion of the "other" section.
 
2013-05-02 09:54:20 AM
I flew to Vegas last week and noticed a few things.

A lot of Android tablets compared to last year when I flew mainly Apple.

The guy next to me had a Nexus and I of course as rocking my HP Touchpad.  Which still suits my needs.

The one thing I noticed though is that Ipad users generally had their IPAD, Iphone, and Ipod all sitting in front of them, I do not know whether or not to show off or they just got off by looking at them.
 
2013-05-02 09:54:55 AM

RoxtarRyan: to people who don't know any better


Now THAT'S funny.
 
2013-05-02 09:59:01 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: i tried explaining the apostrophe to these guy's


What's wrong w/ that apostrophe? They are the nomads lead/owned/controlled/whatever by the Dark Soul
 
2013-05-02 10:02:57 AM

moel: Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,


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I have an iPhone 5 and never use Siri.  Honestly, I think iPhones are a bit over-rated.  I stuck with one because of all the apps my daughter and I bought for it...  I sort of regret the decision.

I do, however, envy my fiancee's Galaxy Note 2...
 
2013-05-02 10:03:26 AM

pup.socket:  and the mini iPad, which blatantly copied it is over 100 bucks more expensive and I think doesn't even have NFC


NFC is just a marketing ploy, that being said the mini iPad has worse resolution (and OS) than the Nexus ..  Nothing like paying a premium for worse technology!
 
2013-05-02 10:04:54 AM
Where I work I see a lot of senior management type people and it seems like a good 75% of them have tablets but only about 25% of those tablets seem to be Apple based.
 
2013-05-02 10:07:37 AM

wjllope: Quantum Apostrophe: i tried explaining the apostrophe to these guy's

What's wrong w/ that apostrophe? They are the nomads lead/owned/controlled/whatever by the Dark Soul


Except that the Dark Soul's are a chapter of the Nomads. That's what the second guy punching me told me.
 
2013-05-02 10:09:46 AM
As has been pointed out...  Apple is getting slaughtered because they are pricing themselves out of the market.  If you are not an Apple fanboy, why would you pick up an IPad Mini when you can get a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire HD... two tablets that are as good, if not better, than the mini, for at least $100 less?  Same goes for the 10" tablets.

Apple had a head start...  now the industry has caught them, and in some cases, passed them.  Unless Apple decides to massively slash prices, across the board, they are going to fade at an accelerated pace.  They can no longer take the high ground and claim you are paying a premium price for a premium product.
 
2013-05-02 10:17:22 AM

dragonchild: dragonchild: phimuskapsi: Apple is pricing itself out of the tablet/smartphone war. This is simply due to the fact that Apple is not competing with anyone for iOS loaded hardware.

It's the cycle of life.  When you innovate a technology you get to dictate the price on it for a while, but eventually the rest of the world catches up and you're forced to compete on price.  There will be a huge overcorrection as some jackass sets an absurdly low price point to try to squeeze everyone else out of the market (with laptops it was Dell back in the day).  Eventually the market will settle, with 90% of Americans thinking it's a disposable product with a niche market for quality-minded consumers.  The days when Apple can make absurd margins on their tablets are numbered.


Apple's always been about absurd margins.  They have a choice between keeping the volume or keeping the profit.  Apple has always chosen to keep the profit.  I don't really expect any change.
 
2013-05-02 10:23:14 AM

yet_another_wumpus: Apple's always been about absurd margins. They have a choice between keeping the volume or keeping the profit. Apple has always chosen to keep the profit.


It's sustained by coming out with new products, which they have managed to do for quite a while.  Anyone who looks down on their business model probably thinks the PC market is still a critical chunk of their income.  Their emphasis on margin over volume is not a bad one by itself, and a big reason why they use contract manufacturers.  As long as they can keep coming out with something that no one else has, they're fine.  How long they can keep that up is anyone's guess, though.
 
2013-05-02 10:27:42 AM
Well, considering that I have a few Touchpads, and haven't seen any tablet come close to making me want to switch...

Full size tablet for 200$, 32GB, with stereo 3-d projected sound capacity, the easiest OS to use, with both 2.4 and 5 Ghz WIFI.

Sure it doesn't have a rear camera, and thousands of redundant Apps, but aside that, it does all I need.
 
2013-05-02 10:30:27 AM

MassD: As has been pointed out...  Apple is getting slaughtered because they are pricing themselves out of the market.  If you are not an Apple fanboy, why would you pick up an IPad Mini when you can get a Nexus 7 or Kindle Fire HD... two tablets that are as good, if not better, than the mini, for at least $100 less?  Same goes for the 10" tablets.

Apple had a head start...  now the industry has caught them, and in some cases, passed them.  Unless Apple decides to massively slash prices, across the board, they are going to fade at an accelerated pace.  They can no longer take the high ground and claim you are paying a premium price for a premium product.


 On pure hardware specs the iPad Mini is behind the curve, but the fullsize iPad stacks up well against the fastest Android tablets.

Part of what you pay for with Apple is the entire user experience though. The hardware is well built and sturdy, it feels high quality, and most importantly the iOS app ecosystem is more mature than Android's, especially for tablet apps. The wide variety of screen sizes, aspect ratios, and resolutions available on Android devices is a blessing and a curse. There is more variety in the hardware to appeal to more users, but it makes it harder for developers to create apps that look great on all devices.

Plus, at the end of the day Apple is more interested in profit and margin than in volume. There is a price premium on Apple products, and not everyone will feel it is justified, and Apple knows that. They'd rather sell fewer devices at a higher price than cut margins to chase market share.
 
2013-05-02 10:31:48 AM

moel: and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,


If you are referring to SVoice... perhaps... I played with it when I first got a Samsung, but stopped... Like Siri, its a gimmick.  Oooo... I can talk to my phone and it does something some of the time.  feh....

But Google Now... that's an entirely different animal....   that is a killer application that I use daily, actually, I should say IT helps ME daily since it does it's thing, like telling me that I have to leave soon for an appointment because there's traffic along the way and I might not make it in time... without me asking.

People are 'seeing the light' and moving away from Apple because they put out some kick ass products and then coasted, expecting everyone to bow at their feet.
 
2013-05-02 10:34:13 AM

MassD: Unless Apple decides to massively slash prices, across the board, they are going to fade at an accelerated pace. They can no longer take the high ground and claim you are paying a premium price for a premium product.


Well, they could also release a tablet with a new feature. And no, I don't mean "hey, we made a slight variation to the angle of our corners!". But really, where do consumer tablets go in the next 2-3 years from here? Extended battery life and different sized screens seems to be the point where we are stuck at for tablet improvement. Improving RAM and CPUs, obvious, but it doesn't really change what a tablet does. It's a shame, seeing as how just a few years ago, there was kind of an "arms race" over who get get the best features, best looking screens, all sorts of external ports, keyboard peripherals, etc. Not sure where to go from here. Same goes for cell phones.. they both seem to be seamlessly integrated with everything, from home alarm systems, to hell, even car docks. Where do consumer electronics go from here?
 
2013-05-02 10:41:37 AM
Patented those edges, Subby. It still sucks as a joke, but this way you'd look like less of an idiot.
 
2013-05-02 10:42:13 AM
Commenters here seem to have missed the memo that the Nexus 7 and Kindle tablets are sell through.  They have zero profit in them basically.  Sounds like an amazing business strategy.  Apple isn't pricing themselves out of anything.  They're just the only ones that make any money.  Furthermore, last time I checked all the best Android phones cost the same as iPhones.
 
2013-05-02 10:42:38 AM

imfallen_angel: Well, considering that I have a few Touchpads, and haven't seen any tablet come close to making me want to switch...


Same here.  Bought two during the fire sale almost 2 years ago, and both work incredibly well, whether booting to WebOS or Android.   The only reason I still use my Nook Color (also rooted) is because the Touchpads are too large to fit into my lunch bag. and I don't feel like carrying something larger to work (like a backpack) every day.
 
2013-05-02 10:44:53 AM

Theaetetus: Patented those edges, Subby. It still sucks as a joke, but this way you'd look like less of an idiot.


I thought it was a LITTLE funny, but getting the legalities wrong kind of ruined it.
 
2013-05-02 10:53:12 AM

dragonchild: yet_another_wumpus: Apple's always been about absurd margins. They have a choice between keeping the volume or keeping the profit. Apple has always chosen to keep the profit.

It's sustained by coming out with new products, which they have managed to do for quite a while.  Anyone who looks down on their business model probably thinks the PC market is still a critical chunk of their income.  Their emphasis on margin over volume is not a bad one by itself, and a big reason why they use contract manufacturers.  As long as they can keep coming out with something that no one else has, they're fine.  How long they can keep that up is anyone's guess, though.


For as long as I can remember if you asked me what I wanted to do with technology I could easily name things that I couldn't currently do.  Stream movies in HD on demand, Store stuff external to my house in high volume and have it instantly available everywhere (cloud), get rid of hard copies of media altogether, etc etc.  But now I just don't know what else I would want to do that is not currently possible.  All I want now is for the stuff I do to be cheaper.  There might not be anything else.  Even the revolution that was iTunes (now slowly being replaced by cheaper things) had the pre-existing idea of digital music downloads.  And there were already mp3 players.  They just created a good service around it and packaged it.  Tablets weren't new either.  I had been using Windows tablet edition for years before the iPad.  iPhone just took existing PDA functionality along with iTunes and put a phone on it.  There were already "smart phones" as early as the Handspring Visor.  The big truly revolutionary thing in all this was the app store.  To make that next leap Apple won't do it with hardware.  They will have to come up with the something as revolutionary as the app store.  The reason I list all those other pre-cursors to apple products was people could see it developing,  see it coming.  Apple just was the one that said "hey let's put A and B and C together to make something really cool".  The problem right now is I don't see A and B and C and say "If only I could....".  Nope.  Do what?  Control crap with my mind?  What?
 
2013-05-02 10:53:51 AM

TuteTibiImperes: They'd rather sell fewer devices at a higher price than cut margins to chase market share.


And selling fewer devices is what is going to happen.

But the problem with that model is that you have to give people something to show for that premium price... even that experience advantage is waning....With huge leaps in functionality and features that have come into the recent Android releases, that "You are buying an EXPERIENCE" angle isn't cutting it anymore.
 
2013-05-02 11:00:59 AM

teknishn: Commenters here seem to have missed the memo that the Nexus 7 and Kindle tablets are sell through.  They have zero profit in them basically.  Sounds like an amazing business strategy.  Apple isn't pricing themselves out of anything.  They're just the only ones that make any money.  Furthermore, last time I checked all the best Android phones cost the same as iPhones.


There's a reason that the Nexus 7 and Kindle tablets have zero profits behind them. Google and Amazon have a completely different business focus than Apple. Apple is focused on hardware, so it makes a margin on the hardware (iTunes made up only 6% of Apple's Q3 earnings).

Google is not a hardware company. In fact, most of their hardware that is developed in-house have flopped (Nexus Q, for instance). Google is an advertising company, so they stand to make money through serving you advertising, which is easier if they can get their devices out as cheaply as possible.

Amazon is a content company. Amazon makes hardware, but their hardware are created purely so that the buyer can buy content from Amazon, whether it is through Prime, Instant Video, the MP3 store or their books. Amazon does not care about hardware margins and it is to their benefit to sell their devices as cheaply as possible as well.
 
2013-05-02 11:07:23 AM

The Crepes of Wrath: Just like they priced themselves out of the PC war (back when IBM/DOS-based and Mac-based computers were both referred to as PCs). It's why the IBM PC is the dominant platform today, and the same will eventually happen between iOS and Android.


Except IBM PC & 100% Compatible isn't the dominant platform today.  The x86 architecture is the dominant one sure, but we're nowhere near 100% compatible with the IBM PS/2 (one of the last true IBM 'format defining' machines)... as that had MCA bus slots for everything and a very insane licensing arrangement (if you wanted to use it you had to pay IBM for every clone machine you'd ever produced).

IBM's ability to define the PC spec tanked the second every OEM gave them the finger and went VL-Bus instead (and later PCI and now PCI-Express).

So it's the x86 that's dominant with ARM in hot pursuit (and gaining ground).
 
2013-05-02 11:18:10 AM

MassD: TuteTibiImperes: They'd rather sell fewer devices at a higher price than cut margins to chase market share.

And selling fewer devices is what is going to happen.

But the problem with that model is that you have to give people something to show for that premium price... even that experience advantage is waning....With huge leaps in functionality and features that have come into the recent Android releases, that "You are buying an EXPERIENCE" angle isn't cutting it anymore.


 You're right that Android is getting better every day, as are the other competitors. I used an iPhone, loved it, but when it was time for me to upgrade Apple didn't have anything that appealed to me (the iPhone 5 is just too small with too small a screen). I looked at some Android devices, but they all felt cheap, and unless you buy a Nexus phone right from Google, you end up in a situation where OS upgrades become very hit and miss. I found a solution with a Nokia Lumia 920 running Windows Phone 8 - awesome build quality, big screen, slick OS, and guaranteed future OS updates and support.

When I went to buy a tablet this past December to replace my old Nook Color I looked at the Nexus 10, MS Surface, and of course the iPad. In that case the iPad came out the winner - most solid feeling hardware, great looking high resolution screen, and what sealed the deal, the most complete app store for tablets. The Nexus 10 would have cost less, but I felt the iPad was worth the extra money, and I've been happy with that choice.

There is room in the market for both budget and premium products. Look at the car industry - functionally a loaded Toyota Camry can do pretty much anything a Lexus ES350 can, but there are people willing to spend the extra money to get something that they feel provides an ownership experience worth the extra cost.
 
2013-05-02 11:20:38 AM

teknishn: Commenters here seem to have missed the memo that the Nexus 7 and Kindle tablets are sell through. They have zero profit in them basically.


Posters here to seem to have missed the memo that I don't give two shiats how much profit the purveyors of my consumer electronics make. I have a nexus 7 and I've used it nearly daily for a year. It cost $199 and works wonderfully - I actually don't know who 'makes' that tablet, nor do I care.
 
2013-05-02 11:21:55 AM

wjllope: Quantum Apostrophe: i tried explaining the apostrophe to these guy's

What's wrong w/ that apostrophe? They are the nomads lead/owned/controlled/whatever by the Dark Soul


What I've learned from bikers comes from SoA, but "Dark Soul's" is the name of the club and "Nomads" is the charter.

So, it's like saying TGI Friday's New York.
 
2013-05-02 11:30:22 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I found a solution with a Nokia Lumia 920 running Windows Phone 8 - awesome build quality, big screen, slick OS, and guaranteed future OS updates and support.


I've heard good things... considered picking one up for my next phone, but I'm waiting till the end of this year to see what else Motorola is coming out with.
Still on my Bionic, and even though it is nearing 2 years old, it still rocks as good device. Might wait even longer if nothing really impresses me from anyone.
 
2013-05-02 11:47:33 AM
*sigh* ... another sensationalistic article?  Lesse...

Tablet Year-over-Year Growth (%):  Apple (65.3%) vs Samsung (282.6%)

While Apple is still the world's No. 1 tablet maker, Samsung is No. 2 and growing at a faster rate. Looking specifically at year-over-year growth from first quarter numbers, Apple grew by 65 percent -- not bad. But, Samsung grew by 282 percent, Asus grew by 350 percent, and Amazon grew by 157 percent.

Conclusion: OMG!! Samsung is beating Apple by more than 4-to-1!!!

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Actual numbers (FTA):

1Q12: Apple (11.8M) vs Samsung (2.3M)
1Q13: Apple (19.5M) vs Samsung (8.8M)

Tablet Year-over-Year Growth (Units):  Apple (7.7M) vs Samsung (6.5M)

Conclusion: Apple's per-unit sales actually increased 18% more than Samsung did in the past year.

Yep, article writers suck.

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FWIW, I still bought an Android (ASUS) tablet because I wanted to swap out a memory card, and Apple doesn't support that.  The ASUS tablet is nice, but it crashes semi-frequently, and I wish the OS/apps ran as slick as on my iPhone.  I may eventually buy an iPad just to reduce frustration.  My iPhone 4S has never crashed, and it has more years and more miles on it.  Sure wish I could get an iPad with a memory slot and the ability to directly display pics and videos without having to import it into any app or album.
 
2013-05-02 11:48:12 AM
I have yet to have any Android tablet I owned/own perform overall as well as an iPad. I had a Nexus 7, and I got rid of that.
And before any calls me a Apple fanboy; I sold the iPad I had after I bought an Asus Win 8 tablet.
 
2013-05-02 11:54:01 AM
Yes. Android tablets do the same for less and Windows 8 tablets do more for the same amount of money or only slightly more.
 
2013-05-02 11:54:13 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: IAnd before any calls me a Apple fanboy;


Fanboy
 
2013-05-02 11:58:07 AM

RoxtarRyan: TuteTibiImperes: I found a solution with a Nokia Lumia 920 running Windows Phone 8 - awesome build quality, big screen, slick OS, and guaranteed future OS updates and support.

I've heard good things... considered picking one up for my next phone, but I'm waiting till the end of this year to see what else Motorola is coming out with.
Still on my Bionic, and even though it is nearing 2 years old, it still rocks as good device. Might wait even longer if nothing really impresses me from anyone.


I've been very pleased with it so far. There will be new devices and the next major of Windows Phone coming out this Holiday Season though, so at this point probably smart to wait to see what the next gen products offer.

Supposedly there will be 1080p and quad core devices in the next round for Windows Phone (the 920 is 1280x768 and dual core, but WP8 is pretty light when it comes to resource requirements, so it feels smooth and fast even without the most powerful chips that the newest Android phones have).
 
2013-05-02 12:07:17 PM

xkenny13: and I wish the OS/apps ran as slick as on my iPhone.


For a very long time Android didn't have 3D acceleration of its menus, so the whilst games would obviously work fine the interface for the OS would, occasionally, lag like a mofo (as it was all on the CPU to do everything).   I'd make sure you've got the latest version of Android and that all your apps are the latest version possible as more recently they have made Android handoff to the 3D chip for interface rendering.

It'd also make sure you're not doing funky stuff like installing apps (or their content) to the SD card, it's way slower and more IO constrained than the devices internal storage (think SSD vs USB caddy you'll get the idea).   If you haven't told the device to do this, I'd also make sure it hasn't decided to just do it for you.

That might improve your performance and user experience to be more similar to the iPhone.
 
2013-05-02 12:16:09 PM

phimuskapsi: RoxtarRyan: When the market gets flooded with countless cheap knockoff $70 tablets, yeah, this was gonna happen. I don't care if it is tablets, cell phones, cars or clothes. Someone makes a product, sells it as a "super-shiny-awesome-4G-with-newest-Android-2.5", they are going to sell the cheap knock-offs to people who don't know any better, hence the "other" category being as high as it is.

That's pretty broad for 'others' given that it doesn't include Motorola, Toshiba, Acer and so on. So I doubt it's all knockoffs. Most people won't buy those things simply due to the cost being so low they assume it's bad quality (and 99 times out of 100, they are right). 

Apple is pricing itself out of the tablet/smartphone war. This is simply due to the fact that Apple is not competing with anyone for iOS loaded hardware. Android hardware suppliers will price cut, add more features and so on to make them more attractive to the common user. 

16GB 7" Tablets
iPad Mini = $330
Nexus 7   = $200. 

The Nexus 7 coming out this summer will launch at $150.


Yep, my nieces both asked for Android devices, a nexus and the Amazon tablet, the iPad or the mini didn't even come into the equation because everything they did with their friends were on Android.

I don't know how apple will fix this, they basically need to do what they did with windows PC's and make it compatible.
 
2013-05-02 12:20:23 PM

Vaneshi: xkenny13: and I wish the OS/apps ran as slick as on my iPhone.

For a very long time Android didn't have 3D acceleration of its menus, so the whilst games would obviously work fine the interface for the OS would, occasionally, lag like a mofo (as it was all on the CPU to do everything).   I'd make sure you've got the latest version of Android and that all your apps are the latest version possible as more recently they have made Android handoff to the 3D chip for interface rendering.


Good advice ... I tend to apply updates as soon as they're available.  My OS version is Android 4.1.2 ... that's pretty close to the latest.  I'm not sure if 4.2 is even available for this tablet yet ... presumably, it will prompt me.

Hands-down, the best "upgrade" I did was to move from the built-in browser to using the Chrome app for web surfing.  It's still not perfect (lags/hangs), but it's much better than the standard one.

It'd also make sure you're not doing funky stuff like installing apps (or their content) to the SD card, it's way slower and more IO constrained than the devices internal storage (think SSD vs USB caddy you'll get the idea).   If you haven't told the device to do this, I'd also make sure it hasn't decided to just do it for you.

Never knew this was a potential issue ... I pulled my memory card out to test a camera, and all my apps seem to still be here.  The Fark Mobile app seems to work pretty well, actually.  :-)

That might improve your performance and user experience to be more similar to the iPhone.

Thanks for the tips ... I tend to keep in mind that Android is a more all-encompassing OS, and that things like the Galaxy S3/S4 should be their focus, not-so-much for my offshoot ASUS tablet.  Still, I keep hoping things will get more polished for tablets as time goes on.
 
2013-05-02 12:26:14 PM

xkenny13: Never knew this was a potential issue ... I pulled my memory card out to test a camera, and all my apps seem to still be here.  The Fark Mobile app seems to work pretty well, actually.  :-)


Its not really an option anymore... Starting with 4.1 I think, Android has been moving away from allowing apps to be installed/moved to the external card.  You can put pics, movies and other stuff there, just not apps.  There are 3rd Party apps that can work around this by fooling the OS into thinking a link on the external SD is local... but natively, its no go.
 
2013-05-02 01:11:38 PM

xkenny13: *sigh* ... another sensationalistic article?  Lesse...

Tablet Year-over-Year Growth (%):  Apple (65.3%) vs Samsung (282.6%)

While Apple is still the world's No. 1 tablet maker, Samsung is No. 2 and growing at a faster rate. Looking specifically at year-over-year growth from first quarter numbers, Apple grew by 65 percent -- not bad. But, Samsung grew by 282 percent, Asus grew by 350 percent, and Amazon grew by 157 percent.

Conclusion: OMG!! Samsung is beating Apple by more than 4-to-1!!!

----

Actual numbers (FTA):

1Q12: Apple (11.8M) vs Samsung (2.3M)
1Q13: Apple (19.5M) vs Samsung (8.8M)

Tablet Year-over-Year Growth (Units):  Apple (7.7M) vs Samsung (6.5M)

Conclusion: Apple's per-unit sales actually increased 18% more than Samsung did in the past year.

Yep, article writers suck.

----

FWIW, I still bought an Android (ASUS) tablet because I wanted to swap out a memory card, and Apple doesn't support that.  The ASUS tablet is nice, but it crashes semi-frequently, and I wish the OS/apps ran as slick as on my iPhone.  I may eventually buy an iPad just to reduce frustration.  My iPhone 4S has never crashed, and it has more years and more miles on it.  Sure wish I could get an iPad with a memory slot and the ability to directly display pics and videos without having to import it into any app or album.


The article title is: "Is Apple losing its edge to a cheaper, smarter tablet market?". The answer to that is quite obvious, yes.
Apple grew 65% in this quarter. Android (All of Android) - grew 251.5% (averaged Sammy, Asus, Amazon, Other scores).

You cannot pick and choose numbers based on a single manufacturer with Android, you just can't. That's not how it works. However, I will point out to you that Samsung's S3 CRUSHED the iPhone last year (by itself), and I bet the S4/HTC One will do it again this summer.  

Blah, blah, blah, crashed, blah blah. I hear this all the time from iPhone users that use Android devices. What exactly are you doing? I experienced crashes with my Droid Charge, but that's with a custom firmware/kernel and doing SU type things in the phone. When I leave my Android devices stock, I never, ever, have had an issue. At least if an Android Tab 'breaks' consumers have many options for repair rather than having to specifically deal with Apple. 

My HTC One can broadcast to any smart TV whatever is on my screen. I take 3 fingers, press down and slide up, and poof ... it appears on the TV. I also have an IR Blaster so I can take control of any TV/Cable Box/Home Theater with little to no effort. 

Interesting note: Google Now is now available on the iPhone 4S and 5.

MassD: xkenny13: Never knew this was a potential issue ... I pulled my memory card out to test a camera, and all my apps seem to still be here.  The Fark Mobile app seems to work pretty well, actually.  :-)

Its not really an option anymore... Starting with 4.1 I think, Android has been moving away from allowing apps to be installed/moved to the external card.  You can put pics, movies and other stuff there, just not apps.  There are 3rd Party apps that can work around this by fooling the OS into thinking a link on the external SD is local... but natively, its no go.


There are multiple ways around this. Rooting is necessary, but in reality, most new phones come with embedded internal storage (mine is 32GB for example). So space is not really an issue. Here's one app that can do this easily.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.codlab.int2ext
 
2013-05-02 01:13:49 PM

lilplatinum: pup.socket:  and the mini iPad, which blatantly copied it is over 100 bucks more expensive and I think doesn't even have NFC

NFC is just a marketing ploy, that being said the mini iPad has worse resolution (and OS) than the Nexus ..  Nothing like paying a premium for worse technology!


I will be shocked if NFC is not (at least) on the next iPhone, of not also on the next iPads.
 
2013-05-02 01:14:16 PM
I had a few models of iPad, and I did like them. I still have an iPod touch. However, the iPad is too pricey for what it does, and I decided to sell it, and then spend half of what I got out of it on a Galaxy Tab 2 10.1", and I'm glad I did. I use the tablet as a notebook replacement, and it needs to play nice when I connect a keyboard and mouse. iOS has no mouse support. Android does.

Oh, yeah, and Android can access external hard drives, too. And it's nice expanding storage space with an SD card. And having stereo sound on the tablet itself is kind of cool.

All the apps I had on iOS are available on Android, except Pages, but I do have something close (though I admit it's not as nice as Pages).

The Tab is stable now that they've updated the OS, and the screen is quite nice. The browser supports Flash (had to use an older version of Flash for Android, but it worked), and I don't need to live in Apple's walled garden. I sideload apps without problems.

My mom still rocks her iPad and loves it, and I'm very happy with my iPod touch, but for the tablet I don't feel at all bad about saving $300* and getting all the same functions (plus a few more).

/ * I needed a lot of storage space. Apple doesn't let you use SD cards. You have to buy the most expensive model, instead, if you want more space.
 
2013-05-02 01:27:12 PM

BizarreMan: moel: Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,

Honest question here.  Once people get beyond the ooooo I can talk to Siri (or any other voice activation feature on the phone) and it gives an answer, COOL, do they really continue to use it?  Is it a useful tool or a marketing gimmick?


I think Siri is a lost cause thanks to Apple's need to win design awards over functionality (also, see expanding battery packs). No matter how good Siri may get in the future, it's really a hidden feature until Apple adds a dedicated hardware button to activate it.  Everyone has been trained that the Home button is essentially to be used as a global app closer/finder doohicky, and not a "use this feature button". Unless you use Siri A LOT, the idea of using the Home button to summon that feature quickly disappears from memory as you repeatably use that same button over and over again to close apps.
 
2013-05-02 01:50:03 PM

ZeroCorpse: / * I needed a lot of storage space. Apple doesn't let you use SD cards. You have to buy the most expensive model, instead, if you want more space.


I'm not a fan of this. Even non-Apple cell phones are starting to ditch expandable memory, going instead to cloud storage. I hate the cloud, especially since cell phone data plans have gotten MORE expensive with LESS data caps in the last few years, it doesn't make a lick of sense to the consumer. Streaming music can very quickly kill your data cap in a month, along with basic web browsing, emails, etc... Not a fan at all. Seems like smartphones are actually getting "dumber", with more and more of what they do reliant on data being processed or stored on servers, they are becoming more of a dumb terminal with a nice UI. Looking at my data usage for the last month, Google+ has used up 3.68GB (how???!?? I don't even USE Google+! What the hell is it doing in the background....), K9 Mail uses 503MB, another 113 for Youtube (maybe watched 3 videos on it), with surprisingly one of the lesser programs being Dolphin (48 megs.. shocking, since I use that the most out of anything).

Bandwidth is being squeezed between a lot of hidden processes and background running apps, cell phone manufacturers are aiming more and more features to be server-based, and carriers are tightening down on consumer's wallets for every byte they transmit and receive. Makes me really glad I have unlimited data caps on Comcast and Verizon.
 
2013-05-02 02:19:49 PM

MassD: xkenny13: Never knew this was a potential issue ... I pulled my memory card out to test a camera, and all my apps seem to still be here.  The Fark Mobile app seems to work pretty well, actually.  :-)

Its not really an option anymore... Starting with 4.1 I think, Android has been moving away from allowing apps to be installed/moved to the external card.  You can put pics, movies and other stuff there, just not apps.  There are 3rd Party apps that can work around this by fooling the OS into thinking a link on the external SD is local... but natively, its no go.


Good.  I've seen too many people complain that their Android phone is 'slow' and it turns out they've been using some flavour of 'apps2sd'.  Well gee, that kinda explains the brick wall your phone ran in to speed wise.

I think 4.2's the one that's fully 3D for the UI rendering?  I'm behind on my ASOP changelogs I must admit.

/Not doing to badly for an iOS user though :)
 
2013-05-02 02:36:37 PM

teknishn: Commenters here seem to have missed the memo that the Nexus 7 and Kindle tablets are sell through.  They have zero profit in them basically.  Sounds like an amazing business strategy.  Apple isn't pricing themselves out of anything.  They're just the only ones that make any money.  Furthermore, last time I checked all the best Android phones cost the same as iPhones.


Samsung Galaxy S3 can be had for $49 at Walmart, and $99 at most other places on contract renewal, comparable to the Iphone 5.

HTC 1x, 99 cents.

Galaxy S2 Free, or 300 bucks out right.  Which was LTE in 2011, runs Jellybean, has NFC...
 
2013-05-02 02:57:36 PM

phimuskapsi: The article title is: "Is Apple losing its edge to a cheaper, smarter tablet market?". The answer to that is quite obvious, yes.
Apple grew 65% in this quarter. Android (All of Android) - grew 251.5% (averaged Sammy, Asus, Amazon, Other scores).

You cannot pick and choose numbers based on a single manufacturer with Android, you just can't. That's not how it works.


Meh, I picked Samsung, the big boy ... all the other manufacturers are going to be variations on a theme.  In the end, they're still a half-truth.

Don't get me wrong, Samsung going from 2.3M to 8.8M in a year is fantastic ... however, you can't ignore the fact that if you start from a relatively small number (2.3M vs 11.8M), it's FAR-FAR-FAR easier to quadruple your numbers.

Dollars to donuts ... would you rather have a 65% bump on 11.8M, or a 282% bump on 2.3M?  I'll happily take the former.

In the end, the article writer is trying to paint a picture by "picking and choosing" certain numbers ... which you say is wrong.  I agree, to be fair you need consider all of the numbers, but then you wouldn't get the picture they're trying to sell here.

Samsung tablets are certainly growing, but that doesn't mean the Apple iPad is going into the crapper.  Of course, that doesn't generate as many clicks now does it?

However, I will point out to you that Samsung's S3 CRUSHED the iPhone last year (by itself), and I bet the S4/HTC One will do it again this summer.

We were talking about tablets, not phones ... but if it makes you feel better, we can discuss those too.

"CRUSHED" is a little vague (and pointed), so I'd prefer to see actual numbers ... just so we know they're not being generated in a slanted way, you understand.

Either way I'd still say Samsung has done a good job with the S3, whereas the iPhone 5 just wasn't a "revolutionary" phone ... plus there's that new charging cable that I'm staying away from for now.

Currently, I have an iPhone 4S and my wife has the Galaxy S3, so I have experienced them both.  Both are excellent phones, each has pluses and minuses, and neither is perfect.  Personally, I'd like to see Apple do substantially better things with their camera (preferably out-of-the-box!)  I'd also like to see Samsung (or Android?) clean up the weird issues with their volume control, and make their web browser run a LOT smoother.  Not sure who has the better battery life (probably comparable?), but she has more problems with her charger, and I have none with mine.  FWIW...
 
2013-05-02 02:58:27 PM

xkenny13: FWIW, I still bought an Android (ASUS) tablet because I wanted to swap out a memory card, and Apple doesn't support that.  The ASUS tablet is nice, but it crashes semi-frequently, and I wish the OS/apps ran as slick as on my iPhone.  I may eventually buy an iPad just to reduce frustration.  My iPhone 4S has never crashed, and it has more years and more miles on it.  Sure wish I could get an iPad with a memory slot and the ability to directly display pics and videos without having to import it into any app or album.


FWIW, my iPhone5 has crashed several times in the 3 months I've had it and routinely struggles to update my enterprise email (the gmail app works great at least!).  My wife's Droid Razr Maxx HD has not yet, to my knowledge (she tends to be vocal when her gadgets 'don't just work').

Furthermore, her phone has been a dream to get music, videos, apps, and ebooks loaded onto it, whereas mine requires importing via iTunes (a program I refuse to use for any other purpose on my PC, and took a lot of work to keep it from crashing immediately upon start-up after a fresh install), and converting my videos to specific formats for it to play properly.

/anecdotal experience is anecdotal...
//but, if my choice of work phone wasn't just Blackberry vs. iPhone, I'd be rocking an android phone for sure...
 
2013-05-02 03:03:35 PM
By the way, the fact that this CAN exist, angers the bejesus out of me...

cdn3.sbnation.com
/I hate when companies "innovate" for the sake of "innovation" while sacrificing customer experience
 
2013-05-02 03:21:25 PM

xkenny13: phimuskapsi: The article title is: "Is Apple losing its edge to a cheaper, smarter tablet market?". The answer to that is quite obvious, yes.
Apple grew 65% in this quarter. Android (All of Android) - grew 251.5% (averaged Sammy, Asus, Amazon, Other scores)....


"Research firm IDC ranks the South Korean firm as the world's top smartphone seller in the last three quarters. In the latest July-September period, Samsung sold 56.3 million smartphones versus Apple's 26.9 million, IDC said. "

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/11/08/samsung-apple.html  

Battery life is comparable. Weird volume control? In Jelly Bean (on my phone), if I hit the volume rocker at the home screen it changes the ringer volume. There is a gear I can click when it's up on the screen and see ALL of the volume bars. Each volume bar is touch sensitive for adjustments. Web browser I've had no problems, whether it be the stock browser, or Chrome Mobile. Chrome Mobile handles tabs beautifully, and to close you just swipe them away. 

As for the charger comment, that's pretty funny. Because in my experiences micro-USB is a lot more common than say Apple's proprietary connector. The fact that Apple uses a proprietary connection (which effed all the accessory buyers before the iPhone 5 btw) is nonsense. All Android phones use the same connections. All of em. For accessories or chargers - which makes buying accessories and so on, less of a risk long term. 

Apple makes well designed products, I'll give you that, but Android is more flexible. This really is the PC v. Mac debate revisited, and if you want function tied with excellent performance and function, Android phones are now the ones to beat, not the other way around.
 
2013-05-02 03:54:36 PM

RoxtarRyan: cell phones are starting to ditch expandable memory


That's not true.  Motorola and top-end HTC phones never had expandable memory because they're targeting the people who have cash that they are willing to spend indiscriminately.  Sadly, they're losing the battle because people who indiscriminately spend money are typically people who don't care about freedom/functionality and care more about making a fashion statement.
 
2013-05-02 04:01:07 PM

phimuskapsi: xkenny13: phimuskapsi: The article title is: "Is Apple losing its edge to a cheaper, smarter tablet market?". The answer to that is quite obvious, yes.
Apple grew 65% in this quarter. Android (All of Android) - grew 251.5% (averaged Sammy, Asus, Amazon, Other scores)....

"Research firm IDC ranks the South Korean firm as the world's top smartphone seller in the last three quarters. In the latest July-September period, Samsung sold 56.3 million smartphones versus Apple's 26.9 million, IDC said. "

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/11/08/samsung-apple.html


Hmmm, the original statement was "Samsung's S3 CRUSHED the iPhone last year (by itself)".  Your linked article reads:

Samsung sold 18 million units of its Galaxy S3 between July and September 2012. That was good enough for 11 per cent of the global total of 168 million units and marks the first time since the iPhone's release that a non-Apple device has held the top spot.
Strategy Analytics says Samsung's sales bested those at Apple, which saw 16.2 million versions of the iPhone 4S during that time period.


Certainly 18m vs 16.2m is better, but it isn't crushing, and that doesn't include the 6M iPhone 5 sales:

Apple sold six million units of the iPhone 5 in its first month, so adding that to iPhone 4 sales, Apple still claims the overall sales dominance.

Not sure if you were also saying "crushed" isn't an accurate statement?  This is also just a Q3 report, not a 2012 annual report.

Battery life is comparable. Weird volume control? In Jelly Bean (on my phone), if I hit the volume rocker at the home screen it changes the ringer volume. There is a gear I can click when it's up on the screen and see ALL of the volume bars. Each volume bar is touch sensitive for adjustments. Web browser I've had no problems, whether it be the stock browser, or Chrome Mobile. Chrome Mobile handles tabs beautifully, and to close you just swipe them away.

She's often trying to show me a YouTube video, but can't get the volume control to cooperate.  As you say, some sounds work, but the YouTube remains silent.  Maybe she's just not as savvy enough to figure it out.   At a minimum, it's not as intuitive as the iPhone version as I've had no problems with controlling the volume.  Also, on my ASUS Android Tablet, it would occasionally get stuck in "mute" mode and I'd have to reboot to get out of it ... haven't seen it in a while, so maybe that got fixed in the OS upgrades.

As for the charger comment, that's pretty funny. Because in my experiences micro-USB is a lot more common than say Apple's proprietary connector. The fact that Apple uses a proprietary connection (which effed all the accessory buyers before the iPhone 5 btw) is nonsense. All Android phones use the same connections. All of em. For accessories or chargers - which makes buying accessories and so on, less of a risk long term.

Okay, so micro-USB is more common, but is it more reliable?  I can find either connector in quantity, the point here was she has problems charging her phone.  The connector doesn't always sit right and it causes problems.

As for proprietary ... I can see Apple staying with the 30-pin dock connector, since there are hundreds of products out there built for it.  The new iPhone 5 connector can be inserted upside-down and still work (or so I'm told?), but that hardly seems like a justification for killing all the backwards compatibility.  If we had a time machine and could make Apple use an industry standard connector, I'd most certainly support that ... so long as it was as reliable as the existing connector.

Apple makes well designed products, I'll give you that, but Android is more flexible. This really is the PC v. Mac debate revisited, and if you want function tied with excellent performance and function, Android phones are now the ones to beat, not the other way around.

I wholeheartedly agree.  Apple needs to really deliver with their next iPhone(s).  Hopefully we'll hear something soon...
 
2013-05-02 04:14:02 PM

FarkGrudge: By the way, the fact that this CAN exist, angers the bejesus out of me...

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 640x439]
/I hate when companies "innovate" for the sake of "innovation" while sacrificing customer experience


....the hell is that?
 
2013-05-02 04:24:02 PM

xkenny13: I wholeheartedly agree. Apple needs to really deliver with their next iPhone(s). Hopefully we'll hear something soon...


According to reports, Johnny Ive is going to gut the skeumorphic iOS UI and make it flatter, like Windows Phone 8.
 
2013-05-02 04:31:54 PM

mjbok: I will be shocked if NFC is not (at least) on the next iPhone, of not also on the next iPads.


I'd say you should get ready for a shock.

It's pretty clear that Apple's stance is that NFC technology does not offer enough unique benefit to be worth sacrificing precious device space for.
 
2013-05-02 04:36:34 PM

Vaneshi: Good.  I've seen too many people complain that their Android phone is 'slow' and it turns out they've been using some flavour of 'apps2sd'.  Well gee, that kinda explains the brick wall your phone ran in to speed wise.


And this is exactly why Apple doesn't support SD cards and never will.  Normal people don't want to deal with partition management and other administrative tasks.
 
2013-05-02 05:06:18 PM

poot_rootbeer: It's pretty clear that Apple's stance is that NFC technology does not offer enough unique benefit to be worth sacrificing precious device space for.


You want to make a bet?  One month of Total Fark sponsorship?

poot_rootbeer: And this is exactly why Apple doesn't support SD cards and never will. Normal people don't want to deal with partition management and other administrative tasks.


This has very little (if anything) to do with why Apple doesn't support SD cards.  I have several Android devices and use them solely for media.  Drag files I want to video (or music or picture) folder and that's it.  No thinking necessary, it just works.  Apple doesn't do it for a couple of reasons:  ability to sell 16 more gigs for $100, control of what is put on an iDevice, make it simpler to purchase stuff from iTunes rather than having to convert, import, sync, etc. instead of using files you may already have. Of those reasons 2 are around generating more profit for Apple and one might have a small benefit for idiot users that would put harmful files on their device.

//Have several Apple devices also.  Each flavor has a good side and a bad side.
 
2013-05-02 06:15:41 PM

moel: Eesh I'm seein muppets buy the sgs4 and jumping ship from their iPhone.

I cannot be bothered to show them the light..they will be back as soon as they've realised that they've sacrificed a nice phone for a cheaper phone with more gimmicks than just Siri...and some will be disappointed to find that the Siri version on the galaxy is farking dire,


Huh?  I went from a 3gs to a gs3, never had Siri, did download Evi it's less functional that Samsung's application that fits in that space.

Anyway, point is I still use my 3gs as an iPod touch and if I'm out where I need internet on it, PDANet from my gs3.

The 3gs is even runs the latest version of iOS.  I still hate iTunes!
 
2013-05-02 07:02:45 PM

wjllope: Quantum Apostrophe: i tried explaining the apostrophe to these guy's

What's wrong w/ that apostrophe? They are the nomads lead/owned/controlled/whatever by the Dark Soul


Well, that's what they calmly and pleasantly explained to him when they showed him the error of his ways.
 
2013-05-02 07:04:24 PM
Apple spends very little on R&D compared to Google. They don't innovate.
Apple should be taking their profits and researching 3D printing and home robotics.

Eventually, Google or someone else will come up with something (like Google Glass) that Apple can't have or compete with.

Take a look at Sears.
Led the world in retail and catalog sales for over a century.

Why doesn't Sears, with it's deep pockets and mail order experience, dominate anymore?

Amazon. Because they innovated.

Same story with GM...
...and eventually, Apple.
 
2013-05-02 07:06:02 PM

dragonchild: yet_another_wumpus: Apple's always been about absurd margins. They have a choice between keeping the volume or keeping the profit. Apple has always chosen to keep the profit.

It's sustained by coming out with new products, which they have managed to do for quite a while.  Anyone who looks down on their business model probably thinks the PC market is still a critical chunk of their income.  Their emphasis on margin over volume is not a bad one by itself, and a big reason why they use contract manufacturers.  As long as they can keep coming out with something that no one else has, they're fine.  How long they can keep that up is anyone's guess, though.


Even if they can't, selling at a guaranteed high margin to a niche market you can depend on being there is nice work if you can get it. Apple ain't going anywhere.
 
2013-05-02 07:55:47 PM
TuteTibiImperes:  I looked at some Android devices, but they all felt cheap, and unless you buy a Nexus phone right from Google, you end up in a situation where OS upgrades become very hit and miss. I found a solution with a Nokia Lumia 920 running Windows Phone 8 - awesome build quality, big screen, slick OS, and guaranteed future OS updates and support.

Take a look at the HTC One.  Fantastic build quality, solid aluminum body.
 
2013-05-02 11:54:11 PM

RoxtarRyan: FarkGrudge: By the way, the fact that this CAN exist, angers the bejesus out of me...

[cdn3.sbnation.com image 640x439]
/I hate when companies "innovate" for the sake of "innovation" while sacrificing customer experience

....the hell is that?


USB to USB converter.  Sorry "Lightning" to USB.  Lightning is what replaced the old 30pin dock style connector on Apple's iDevice line of products.  Why?  Who knows but it probably involves screwing over 3rd party cable people.

Looks really damn flimsy compared to the old dock style as well, makes me glad my iPad2 is the old & decrepit 'dock' version... seriously.
 
2013-05-03 12:46:58 AM
An Apple thread without BingeThinker basing fandroids? Apple must be losing its edge.
 
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