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2013-05-02 08:44:08 AM  
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2013-05-02 09:07:25 AM  
The Navy also gave reporters a look at HUQ-1's drone command system:

www.txis.com
 
2013-05-02 10:19:21 AM  
Is buzzing the tower a euphemism?
 
2013-05-02 10:19:36 AM  

UNC_Samurai: The Navy also gave reporters a look at HUQ-1's drone command system:

[www.txis.com image 850x647]


NERD-gasm....
 
2013-05-02 10:19:56 AM  

UNC_Samurai: The Navy also gave reporters a look at HUQ-1's drone command system:

[www.txis.com image 850x647]


It makes sense now.
 
2013-05-02 10:20:06 AM  
He says most Navy drones now are operated by contractors overseen by military personnel.

Ok, this is farking creepy.
 
2013-05-02 10:21:15 AM  
UNC_Samurai:

Took me a minute to realize wtf I was looking at...  What is that, a Runabout?
 
2013-05-02 10:22:27 AM  
OMG! An SFB reference!
 
2013-05-02 10:22:28 AM  
FTA: the [unmanned] squadron will be aboard the Navy's new littoral combat ship

Unmanned?  Shouldn't there be one little man in that boat?
 
2013-05-02 10:24:10 AM  

UNC_Samurai: The Navy also gave reporters a look at HUQ-1's drone command system:

[www.txis.com image 850x647]


Heh, won a memorable match with one of those...my opponent thought he was staying out of range of my drone stack, until I pointed out he was using pursuit plotting, and HAD to move just one more hex toward me...POW, 144 damage to a shield, bridge hit, captain killed.

Almost as funny as the time he ran over his team mate while his expanding sphere generator was fully charged...
 
2013-05-02 10:25:02 AM  
On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?
 
2013-05-02 10:27:11 AM  

PunGent: UNC_Samurai: The Navy also gave reporters a look at HUQ-1's drone command system:

[www.txis.com image 850x647]

Heh, won a memorable match with one of those...my opponent thought he was staying out of range of my drone stack, until I pointed out he was using pursuit plotting, and HAD to move just one more hex toward me...POW, 144 damage to a shield, bridge hit, captain killed.

Almost as funny as the time he ran over his team mate while his expanding sphere generator was fully charged...


Sounds like some of the battles I was in. They didn't call me the U.S.S. Swiss Cheese for nothing. God, I was terrible player!
 
2013-05-02 10:28:09 AM  
Crop of sci-fi novels to spring up about drones being distracted by "I have 50,000 dollars I inherited. Give me your account number so I can transfer" or drones transmitting it continuously and shutting down computers everywhere.

in 3 2 1 years
 
2013-05-02 10:28:23 AM  

PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?


My guess is anything the Navy would be tracking and attacking can't outrun even a helicopter so why have something that needs to fly orbits around a target instead of something that can just hold station and fire away.
 
2013-05-02 10:30:29 AM  

ChipNASA: UNC_Samurai: The Navy also gave reporters a look at HUQ-1's drone command system:

[www.txis.com image 850x647]

NERD-gasm....



Meh. They just scream and leap.
 
2013-05-02 10:30:57 AM  

PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?


Not Navy, but I'd imagine it was so they wouldn't have to build drone carriers. You can land a helo anywhere.
 
2013-05-02 10:32:54 AM  

Fizpez: PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?

My guess is anything the Navy would be tracking and attacking can't outrun even a helicopter so why have something that needs to fly orbits around a target instead of something that can just hold station and fire away.


And the logistics and trust invovled with landing something unmanned on a cleared helipad on the back of a frigate vs. trying to catch a arrestor cable coming in at 100kts with a billion dollars of assets on a carrier deck.
 
2013-05-02 10:32:59 AM  

PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?


It's a littoral combat ship, so some likely missions would be supporting amphibious assaults and/or surveiling costal waters for small-craft threats and targets.
 
2013-05-02 10:33:17 AM  

Fizpez: PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?

My guess is anything the Navy would be tracking and attacking can't outrun even a helicopter so why have something that needs to fly orbits around a target instead of something that can just hold station and fire away.


True...but I'd imagine fixed-wing drones have better endurance and time-to-target than helicopter drones, much like the Navy's jets have better speed than it's manned helicopters.

They deploy any 'regular' drones off carriers/other ships?  If you could pitch one off a destroyer, even, seems like you'd get some aerial recon bang for your buck...recovery could be tricky, of course.

Have to make seaplane drones, and bring back the old-school floatplane recovery cranes :)
 
2013-05-02 10:35:33 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: He says most Navy drones now are operated by contractors overseen by military personnel.

Ok, this is farking creepy.


www.teamjimmyjoe.com

It makes sense. The US has a clear advantage in contracting out to basement-dwelling drones, all with superior piloting and sharpshooting skills to anything the US military could produce.
 
2013-05-02 10:36:56 AM  
Hmmmmm.....what they need now is an artificially intelligent computer system to control many more drones.
 
2013-05-02 10:39:13 AM  
Recalling, once again, the original Star Trek episode where two countries fight with computer simulations to preserve their infrastructure (roads, buildings, libraries, schools, etc). So humans get a warning their area has been hit, then all affected walk into an incinerator.

SPOILER

Kirk, at the end, blows up one of their computers. The leader says, now the other side will think we are really attacking! There will be destruction, mayhem, horror!

To which Kirk replies, then you will know war and knowing war, you may choose to end it.

And this is where we are heading -- we are preserving the US soldiers but using drones means it doesn't cost us anything to kill. At least when we put our own people in harm's way, we might consider not fighting at all. Now we can accidentally obliterate children with impunity.
 
2013-05-02 10:39:57 AM  

PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?


Dipping sonar and towed MAD arrays.  Also easier recovery in that most warships have a helipad.

This is how you recover a fixed wing drone on a boat:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDsA-Y2b4EM">https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=oDsA-Y2b4EM

/they're already testing a carrier launched drone that looks like a B-2 as well in terms of fixed wing
 
2013-05-02 10:40:27 AM  

Thunderboy: PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?

Not Navy, but I'd imagine it was so they wouldn't have to build drone carriers. You can land a helo anywhere.


Ding!

ex HC/HSL puke
 
2013-05-02 10:40:50 AM  
When will nerve stapling replace keelhauling?
 
2013-05-02 10:41:02 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: He says most Navy drones now are operated by contractors overseen by military personnel.

Ok, this is farking creepy.


Privatizing the army. There is no way that can turn out bad!
 
2013-05-02 10:42:03 AM  

LemSkroob: DarkSoulNoHope: He says most Navy drones now are operated by contractors overseen by military personnel.

Ok, this is farking creepy.

Privatizing the army. There is no way that can turn out bad!


This will wind down once a pipeline is established to provide military operators.
 
2013-05-02 10:42:45 AM  

PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_MQ-4C_Triton">http://e n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_MQ-4C_Triton

They have fixed wing drones, not just a squadron of them.

For something on a ship rotary wing drones make more sense as they are easier to land.

They are working on fighters that can land on ships, but they are a ways out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B">http://en.wikip edia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B
 
2013-05-02 10:44:28 AM  

SpdrJay: Hmmmmm.....what they need now is an artificially intelligent computer system to control many more drones.


A system like that would be very expensive. The drones should be programmed to protect it at all costs.
 
2013-05-02 10:44:33 AM  

ha-ha-guy: PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?

Dipping sonar and towed MAD arrays.  Also easier recovery in that most warships have a helipad.

This is how you recover a fixed wing drone on a boat:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDsA-Y2b4EM">https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=oDsA-Y2b4EM

/they're already testing a carrier launched drone that looks like a B-2 as well in terms of fixed wing


Cool snag.

MAD arrays are small enough to be drone-portable now?  cool.
 
2013-05-02 10:45:53 AM  

lymond01: And this is where we are heading -- we are preserving the US soldiers but using drones means it doesn't cost us anything to kill. At least when we put our own people in harm's way, we might consider not fighting at all. Now we can accidentally obliterate children with impunity



Peiopel have been "preserving soilders" with every advancement in military.

Bows, muskets, machine guns, artillery, bombs, nukes, etc.

Switching to drone actuall has little impact on our ability to control air space and reign damage down.
 
2013-05-02 10:46:52 AM  
A large balloon could deploy thousands of these in a matter of hours if it gets high enough into the atmosphere.
 
2013-05-02 10:47:59 AM  
And one Admiral's daughter (Penny Benjamin)
 
2013-05-02 10:47:59 AM  

liam76: PunGent: On a serious note, any Navy guys want to explain why the went with helicopter drones, rather than fixed wing?

For tending sonar buoys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_MQ-4C_Triton">http://e n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_MQ-4C_Triton

They have fixed wing drones, not just a squadron of them.

For something on a ship rotary wing drones make more sense as they are easier to land.

They are working on fighters that can land on ships, but they are a ways out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B">http://en.wikip edia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B


Interesting.  Land based, I see...I wonder if we'll eventually launch a 'drone carrier', like the mini carrier we used in WWII to launch Piper Cubs for artillery spotting during Dragoon.
 
2013-05-02 10:48:02 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: He says most Navy drones now are operated by contractors overseen by military personnel.

Ok, this is farking creepy.


In the case of these drones not really creepy as they are just flying cameras and various systems for identifying targets.  They aren't armed.

Seems like a HUGE waste of money as I can't imagine what they pay per hour for guys to operate unmanned helos.
 
2013-05-02 10:49:04 AM  

lymond01: Recalling, once again, the original Star Trek episode where two countries fight with computer simulations to preserve their infrastructure (roads, buildings, libraries, schools, etc). So humans get a warning their area has been hit, then all affected walk into an incinerator.

SPOILER

Kirk, at the end, blows up one of their computers. The leader says, now the other side will think we are really attacking! There will be destruction, mayhem, horror!

To which Kirk replies, then you will know war and knowing war, you may choose to end it.

And this is where we are heading -- we are preserving the US soldiers but using drones means it doesn't cost us anything to kill. At least when we put our own people in harm's way, we might consider not fighting at all. Now we can accidentally obliterate children with impunity.


So long as they aren't white, Jebus-loving, 'Murikan children, who really cares?
 
2013-05-02 10:51:35 AM  

Fano: When will nerve stapling replace keelhauling?


Well, you gotta bribe enough countries to overturn the UN ban, otherwise it's just not worth it....if you run police state, build X2 police powers units instead, you can double em up as garrison troops if your armor tech is good enough...throw in AA defense versus those pesky missile attacks once you get multiple abilities...

/yes, it's possible I play too much Alpha Centauri
 
2013-05-02 10:51:48 AM  
My dad's an Admiral.
www.techaddiction.ca
 
2013-05-02 10:51:56 AM  
Replacing military helicopters and fixed wing aircraft with drones = good idea

Arming the CIA with weaponized drones = bad idea
 
2013-05-02 10:55:11 AM  

bugmn99: SpdrJay: Hmmmmm.....what they need now is an artificially intelligent computer system to control many more drones.

A system like that would be very expensive. The drones should be programmed to protect it at all costs.


True, and you would definitely want to put the brain of the system in an impregnable bunker so nothing could ever destroy it.....
 
2013-05-02 10:55:46 AM  
Nearly Headless Nuke.
 
2013-05-02 10:58:07 AM  
Kirk actually says "Death, destruction, disease....horror"
 
2013-05-02 10:58:44 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: He says most Navy drones now are operated by contractors overseen by military personnel.

Ok, this is farking creepy.


Saw that.  Whisky Tango Foxtrot...Over?  If they have any kind of weaponry on them how is this even legal under international law.  Wouldn't it be a violation of the Geneva Convention?  Seriously we outsource killing to civilian video gamers?
 
2013-05-02 11:00:11 AM  
Negative Ghost Rider, pattern is full.
 
2013-05-02 11:01:49 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: He says most Navy drones now are operated by contractors overseen by military personnel.

Ok, this is farking creepy.


Not really - the equipment is still in testing. When they roll it out, Navy personal will be operating it.
 
2013-05-02 11:04:15 AM  

lymond01: Recalling, once again, the original Star Trek episode where two countries fight with computer simulations to preserve their infrastructure (roads, buildings, libraries, schools, etc). So humans get a warning their area has been hit, then all affected walk into an incinerator.

SPOILER

Kirk, at the end, blows up one of their computers. The leader says, now the other side will think we are really attacking! There will be destruction, mayhem, horror!

To which Kirk replies, then you will know war and knowing war, you may choose to end it.

And this is where we are heading -- we are preserving the US soldiers but using drones means it doesn't cost us anything to kill. At least when we put our own people in harm's way, we might consider not fighting at all. Now we can accidentally obliterate children with impunity.


Drones dramatically reduce civilian casualties.
 
2013-05-02 11:07:09 AM  

give me doughnuts: lymond01: Recalling, once again, the original Star Trek episode where two countries fight with computer simulations to preserve their infrastructure (roads, buildings, libraries, schools, etc). So humans get a warning their area has been hit, then all affected walk into an incinerator.

SPOILER

Kirk, at the end, blows up one of their computers. The leader says, now the other side will think we are really attacking! There will be destruction, mayhem, horror!

To which Kirk replies, then you will know war and knowing war, you may choose to end it.

And this is where we are heading -- we are preserving the US soldiers but using drones means it doesn't cost us anything to kill. At least when we put our own people in harm's way, we might consider not fighting at all. Now we can accidentally obliterate children with impunity.

So long as they aren't white, Jebus-loving, 'Murikan children, who really cares?


The last time we fought a full scale war against an enemy that wasn't Caucasian was Vietnam.
 
2013-05-02 11:14:20 AM  

Digitalstrange: And one Admiral's daughter (Penny Benjamin)


Came for the Top Gun reference, leaving after being told, "Negative Ghostrider, the pattern's full"
 
2013-05-02 11:16:14 AM  

NumberFiveIsAlive: UNC_Samurai:

Took me a minute to realize wtf I was looking at...  What is that, a Runabout?


No, it's a control sheet from Star Fleet Battles, a table-top Star Trek war game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fleet_Battles

/ISC Plasma splash FTW
 
2013-05-02 11:17:29 AM  

meanmutton: give me doughnuts: lymond01: Recalling, once again, the original Star Trek episode where two countries fight with computer simulations to preserve their infrastructure (roads, buildings, libraries, schools, etc). So humans get a warning their area has been hit, then all affected walk into an incinerator.

SPOILER

Kirk, at the end, blows up one of their computers. The leader says, now the other side will think we are really attacking! There will be destruction, mayhem, horror!

To which Kirk replies, then you will know war and knowing war, you may choose to end it.

And this is where we are heading -- we are preserving the US soldiers but using drones means it doesn't cost us anything to kill. At least when we put our own people in harm's way, we might consider not fighting at all. Now we can accidentally obliterate children with impunity.

So long as they aren't white, Jebus-loving, 'Murikan children, who really cares?

The last time we fought a full scale war against an enemy that wasn't Caucasian was Vietnam.


You're thinking of the Korean War, which technically never ended. 'Nam was a 'police action'
 
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