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(Washington Post)   George Will explains how even though Obama's words may not be completely eloquent regarding Syria, his actions are absolutely correct. Wait, George Will said that? What is this I don't even   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 54
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-05-02 10:03:24 AM
You may or may not recall that George Will turned into a George Bush critic after he signed McCain Feingold. He's not a Rove puppet.
 
2013-05-02 10:04:59 AM
I'm wondering how many of these conservative supporters of action in Syria will back the President if/when this goes horribly wrong.
 
2013-05-02 10:33:04 AM
Frankly, the country is neither ready nor willing to go right back into another conflict that doesn't concern US interests.  The President did it correctly in Libya; I doubt he'll be willing to send troops in to a conflict that doesn't concern us at all.
 
2013-05-02 10:33:10 AM

ZAZ: You may or may not recall that George Will turned into a George Bush critic after he signed McCain Feingold. He's not a Rove puppet.


He's been a RINO since sometime in 2005 IIRC.
 
2013-05-02 10:33:18 AM
The spectrum of Conservative Pundits Who Aren't Completely Full of Sh*t

Not too Much
-David Frum

Somehwat:
-George Will

Completely Full of Sh*t
-Everyone Else
 
2013-05-02 10:35:34 AM
In the first paragraph, Bowtie Milquetoast uses the phrase "condign punishment" (golly! you are so learned!), calls Obama a blabbermouth (because his predecessor was so terribly eloquent), says his policy is muddled, and calls Obama himself a coward.

Yes, the use of the phrase "red line" was a mistake.  Let's represent that mistake of "rhetorical carelessness" with a golf ball.  Now let's compare it to the mistake, if I may use that word, of invading Iraq.  It is represented by...*looking around*...the sun.
 
2013-05-02 10:37:35 AM

SurfaceTension: I'm wondering how many of these conservative supporters of action in Syria will back the President if/when this goes horribly wrong.


Like Libya, they whined that they wanted Obama to take any action. When he did, they whined that he did take action.

You are also talking about the people who branded anyone a traitor who questioned or criticized a president during wartime. Now they can't stop finding anything even imaginery to criticize the president. The fact that the letter changed after the new president's name is merely a total coincidence.
 
2013-05-02 10:40:13 AM
I don't know why this is strange.  Will has at times given Obama an attaboy when their policy wishes align.
 
2013-05-02 10:41:43 AM
What is the right thing to do with Syria? I don't envy Obama on this one at all.
 
2013-05-02 10:43:41 AM
This guy bothers me because his name always sounds like an incomplete sentence.
 
2013-05-02 10:44:00 AM

coeyagi: The spectrum of Conservative Pundits Who Aren't Completely Full of Sh*t

Not too Much
-David Frum

Somehwat:
-George Will

Completely Full of Sh*t
-Everyone Else


This!

Will is the "usually reasonable, but once-in-a-while completely farking retarded" conservative.

Cletus C.: What is the right thing to do with Syria?


As soon as Graham and McCain express disapproval of an option, go with that one.

/half-kidding
//but only half
 
2013-05-02 10:44:01 AM
George Will is often wrong, seldom petty, and never disingenuous.
 
2013-05-02 10:48:07 AM
The lizard people have finally got to him. They are probably wearing his skin as we speak.
 
2013-05-02 10:48:22 AM

salvador.hardin: George Will is often wrong, seldom petty, and never disingenuous.


So kind of dumb, but not a scumbag? That's a lot better than most pundits for either side of the spectrum.
 
2013-05-02 10:48:39 AM
Oh God, this must mean Obama is horribly wrong on Syria!

(Maybe it's unwarranted, but I reflexively don't want to trust George "There Has Been No Global Warming For Fifteen Years" Will.)
 
2013-05-02 10:49:05 AM

coeyagi: The spectrum of Conservative Pundits Who Aren't Completely Full of Sh*t

Not too Much
-David Frum

Somehwat:
-George Will

Completely Full of Sh*t
-Everyone Else


David Brooks?
 
2013-05-02 10:49:24 AM

NeverDrunk23: SurfaceTension: I'm wondering how many of these conservative supporters of action in Syria will back the President if/when this goes horribly wrong.

Like Libya, they whined that they wanted Obama to take any action. When he did, they whined that he did take action.


Yeah they'll be doing the Gingrich shuffle on this as well.

"I'm for *insert policy*!!! Obama doesn't have the leadership to carry it out! ....Wait Obama said that's what he wanted to do last night? I am totally against that, and it's little surprise that Obama's lack of leadership would lead him to consider such an ill-fated plan."
 
2013-05-02 10:49:49 AM

salvador.hardin: George Will is often wrong, seldom petty, and never disingenuous.


and does not always subscribe to the party line, he has called BS on more than one GOP initiative.
 
2013-05-02 10:51:30 AM

salvador.hardin: George Will is often wrong, seldom petty, and never disingenuous.


Mmh.... so I guess I caught him the one time he was being disingenuous (my link above)? I guess he might have just been suckered in by reading Drudge or a fwd:fwd:fwd email.
 
2013-05-02 10:51:44 AM

MFAWG: ZAZ: You may or may not recall that George Will turned into a George Bush critic after he signed McCain Feingold. He's not a Rove puppet.

He's been a RINO since sometime in 2005 IIRC.


And he's been a humorless crankypants codger since high school when Daisy-Marie Fingerbang wouldn't give him the time of day.

Seriously, Will could teach graduate-level courses on Curmudgeoning. He makes Grumpy Cat look like LSD Cat. He was the No Fun League while the NFL was on strike in '81. He would only pick up a hooker to drop them off at night school. He sticks a lump of coal up his ass, and it turns into a neutron star. His favorite color is khaki.

// this is a very unfunny individual, is my point
 
2013-05-02 10:54:31 AM

SurfaceTension: I'm wondering how many of these conservative supporters of action in Syria will back the President if/when this goes horribly wrong.


They have the model the democrats used with Bush as an example.


I think the president doing nothing with the Syria issue is the right path.  I just wish for his sake he would have kept his mouth shut regarding any action to be take "if" blah, blah blah.  This shouldn't be any game changing moment for the USA in the middle east, both sides are the wrong side.
 
2013-05-02 10:55:18 AM

MFAWG: ZAZ: You may or may not recall that George Will turned into a George Bush critic after he signed McCain Feingold. He's not a Rove puppet.

He's been a RINO since sometime in 2005 IIRC.


No, he's a CINO, or conservative in name only.  His only interest is protecting old money.
 
2013-05-02 10:55:31 AM

BFletch651: coeyagi: The spectrum of Conservative Pundits Who Aren't Completely Full of Sh*t

Not too Much
-David Frum

Somehwat:    <-------------------------|
-George Will                                   |
                                                       |
Completely Full of Sh*t                   |
-Everyone Else                               |
                                                       |
David Brooks?  ------------------------

 
2013-05-02 10:55:38 AM

Dr Dreidel: And he's been a humorless crankypants codger since high school when Daisy-Marie Fingerbang wouldn't give him the time of day.


I think it more stems with him being a Cubs fan.  You cheer for the Cubs long enough only to watch them suck, you end up losing a little bit of your soul.

/Cubs fan... unfortunately
 
2013-05-02 10:58:23 AM

Cletus C.: What is the right thing to do with Syria? I don't envy Obama on this one at all.


-bomb a country that poses the US no threat, killing hundreds or perhaps thousands of its citizens
-don't

Such troubling choices!
 
mhd
2013-05-02 10:59:58 AM
George F. Will being on Obama's side was not unlike watching Atlantis rise again from the sea, the bones of its kings new-covered with flesh.
 
2013-05-02 11:01:42 AM

Ned Stark: Cletus C.: What is the right thing to do with Syria? I don't envy Obama on this one at all.

-bomb a country that poses the US no threat, killing hundreds or perhaps thousands of its citizens
-don't and watch a despotic regime use chemical weapons against a popular uprising of it's citizens.

Such troubling choices!


Added for completion.
 
2013-05-02 11:02:23 AM

Saiga410: Dr Dreidel: And he's been a humorless crankypants codger since high school when Daisy-Marie Fingerbang wouldn't give him the time of day.

I think it more stems with him being a Cubs fan.  You cheer for the Cubs long enough only to watch them suck, you end up losing a little bit of your soul.

/Cubs fan... unfortunately


I would be hard pressed to pick whom I'd rather avoid more at Wrigley Field, the typical drunken lout, or Bowtie Milquetoast.  Imagine hearing him spout platitudes about the mystical Field of Dreams virtues of baseball.  Oops, I'm sorry, did I just dump my 22 oz beer in your lap?
 
2013-05-02 11:05:53 AM

BFletch651: coeyagi: The spectrum of Conservative Pundits Who Aren't Completely Full of Sh*t

Not too Much
-David Frum

Somehwat:
-George Will

Completely Full of Sh*t
-Everyone Else

David Brooks?


David Brooks is wrong about everything.

And his personal ideology may be more moderate than most conservative commentators, but he'll bend over backwards to excuse the batshiattery of Republicans
 
2013-05-02 11:06:00 AM

mhd: George F. Will being on Obama's side was not unlike watching Atlantis rise again from the sea, the bones of its kings new-covered with flesh.


I wonder how he reconciles it with his conviction that progressives conspired with 90+% of climate scientists to make up Global Warming so they could intentionally ration everyone's energy/standard-of-living 1984-style and spy on them while shoving money in green companies' pockets?

Maybe he thinks Obama's just being fooled or such.
 
2013-05-02 11:09:50 AM

Saiga410: Ned Stark: Cletus C.: What is the right thing to do with Syria? I don't envy Obama on this one at all.

-bomb a country that poses the US no threat, killing hundreds or perhaps thousands of its citizens
-don't and watch a despotic regime use chemical weapons against a popular uprising of it's citizens.

Such troubling choices!

Added for completion.


Throw in the fact that as much as we despise the despotic regime, the uprising, if successful, would likely result in an anti-American fundamentalist Muslim power grab.

This is a tough one. I see more gray hair for the president.
 
2013-05-02 11:10:02 AM

Saiga410: Dr Dreidel: And he's been a humorless crankypants codger since high school when Daisy-Marie Fingerbang wouldn't give him the time of day.

I think it more stems with him being a Cubs fan.  You cheer for the Cubs long enough only to watch them suck, you end up losing a little bit of your soul.

/Cubs fan... unfortunately


You sound like a plain-vanilla masochist. I not only like baseball and the Cubs, I enjoy being beaned by foul balls at Cubs games, especially during the playoffs. If it makes me fall from the upper levels to the stands below, so much the better.
 
2013-05-02 11:10:54 AM

Wendy's Chili: David Brooks is wrong about everything.

And his personal ideology may be more moderate than most conservative commentators, but he'll bend over backwards to excuse the batshiattery of Republicans


He is the mascot of BSABSVR.
 
2013-05-02 11:11:47 AM

mhd: George F. Will being on Obama's side was not unlike watching Atlantis rise again from the sea, the bones of its kings new-covered with flesh.


i1168.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-02 11:22:50 AM
If McCain/Palin had been elected,  we would have invaded Syria long ago and turned into a shining peaceful  democracy by now....just like Ira.....

nevermind
 
2013-05-02 11:27:58 AM

salvador.hardin: George Will is often wrong, seldom petty, and never disingenuous.


Didja see his homage to blue jeans? Farking gold.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-04-16/opinions/36788304_1_de ni m-jeans-dress
 
2013-05-02 11:32:50 AM

Tyee: They have the model the democrats used with Bush as an example.


"Things going horribly wrong" is not the same as "finding out you were deceived every step of the way."
 
2013-05-02 12:06:55 PM
Will's primary allegiance is to actual Conservatism, not the Republican Party.  There's an ever-widening difference.
 
2013-05-02 12:27:00 PM
"People who talk incessantly often talk imprecisely, and Barack Obama, who is as loquacious as he is impressed with his verbal dexterity..." mmmf... bwa ha ha... ba HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Sorry, that's as far as I got.
 
2013-05-02 12:32:03 PM
Actually (I posted this in another thread yesterday)...

Sad to say, it is to the strategic benefit of Europe, Israel, America and large chunks of the Arab Middle East for the Syrian conflict to go on as long as possible. It hems in Iran, makes Iraq and Afghanistan think twice about supporting terrorism, isolates Hezbollah and Hamas, and allows the Lebanese to enjoy some well-deserved schadenfreude at the Syrians' expense. I'm guessing the Turks aren't too broken up about the situation either. The Arab-on-Arab violence can only be blamed on the Arabs, and as victory by one side or the other can only result in either an intensified secular dictatorship or yet another religious one, who really cares about the outcome? A pox on both their houses.
 
2013-05-02 12:39:25 PM

Egoy3k: salvador.hardin: George Will is often wrong, seldom petty, and never disingenuous.

So kind of dumb, but not a scumbag? That's a lot better than most pundits for either side of the spectrum.


Both sides are bad, so...watch Charlie Rose?
 
2013-05-02 01:00:45 PM

lilbjorn: Will's primary allegiance is to actual Conservatism, not the Republican Party.  There's an ever-widening difference.


If that's true, he'd be infinitely more critical of Republicans destroying the conservative brand than he is of Obama.

As it is, however, Will is just another shill who has very sporadic moments of clarity but little conscience when it comes to the betterment of anything but the insanely wealthy or the insanely self-righteous.
 
2013-05-02 01:49:15 PM

Ned Stark: Cletus C.: What is the right thing to do with Syria? I don't envy Obama on this one at all.

-bomb a country that poses the US no threat, killing hundreds or perhaps thousands of its citizens
-don't

Such troubling choices!


THIS.  When Obama Administration said they are considering giving arms to the rebels, I nearly lost my mind.  Seriously, this type of shiat gets the Bushes and Reagans of the world (rightly) excoriated.  The fact that farking Obama would even consider it is baffling.

Stay the fark out Syria, Iran, Iraq, et. al.
 
2013-05-02 02:10:06 PM

seelorq: salvador.hardin: George Will is often wrong, seldom petty, and never disingenuous.

Didja see his homage to blue jeans? Farking gold.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2009-04-16/opinions/36788304_1_de ni m-jeans-dress


Holy shiat. It reads like a satire of up-tight white guy....
 
2013-05-02 02:29:40 PM

FLMountainMan: Ned Stark: Cletus C.: What is the right thing to do with Syria? I don't envy Obama on this one at all.

-bomb a country that poses the US no threat, killing hundreds or perhaps thousands of its citizens
-don't

Such troubling choices!

THIS.  When Obama Administration said they are considering giving arms to the rebels, I nearly lost my mind.  Seriously, this type of shiat gets the Bushes and Reagans of the world (rightly) excoriated.  The fact that farking Obama would even consider it is baffling.

Stay the fark out Syria, Iran, Iraq, et. al.


This is about the 5th post I've seen today of people gnashing their teeth over "why would Obama do [vile act]?!

Which of the two words in "lesser evil" confused you?
 
2013-05-02 02:44:11 PM

Ned Stark: FLMountainMan: Ned Stark: Cletus C.: What is the right thing to do with Syria? I don't envy Obama on this one at all.

-bomb a country that poses the US no threat, killing hundreds or perhaps thousands of its citizens
-don't

Such troubling choices!

THIS.  When Obama Administration said they are considering giving arms to the rebels, I nearly lost my mind.  Seriously, this type of shiat gets the Bushes and Reagans of the world (rightly) excoriated.  The fact that farking Obama would even consider it is baffling.

Stay the fark out Syria, Iran, Iraq, et. al.

This is about the 5th post I've seen today of people gnashing their teeth over "why would Obama do [vile act]?!

Which of the two words in "lesser evil" confused you?


Neither.  I completely disagree that this is a "lesser evil". You realize that you don't have to defend every decision The Messiah makes, right?  He's a politician, he's going to fark up.  I'd rate Obama's foreign policy as above average, but certainly not perfect.
 
2013-05-02 02:51:49 PM

FLMountainMan: Ned Stark: FLMountainMan: Ned Stark: Cletus C.: What is the right thing to do with Syria? I don't envy Obama on this one at all.

-bomb a country that poses the US no threat, killing hundreds or perhaps thousands of its citizens
-don't

Such troubling choices!

THIS.  When Obama Administration said they are considering giving arms to the rebels, I nearly lost my mind.  Seriously, this type of shiat gets the Bushes and Reagans of the world (rightly) excoriated.  The fact that farking Obama would even consider it is baffling.

Stay the fark out Syria, Iran, Iraq, et. al.

This is about the 5th post I've seen today of people gnashing their teeth over "why would Obama do [vile act]?!

Which of the two words in "lesser evil" confused you?

Neither.  I completely disagree that this is a "lesser evil". You realize that you don't have to defend every decision The Messiah makes, right?  He's a politician, he's going to fark up.  I'd rate Obama's foreign policy as above average, but certainly not perfect.


Me defend? You're the one who said said it was "baffling" that he would consider killing a bunch of Syrians. He's been doing shiat like that for 5 years now. It is entirely in character.
 
2013-05-02 04:08:32 PM
Yeah, Subby. George Will might have turned into more of an asshole than he should have at one point, but he's since gotten back to his usual ways. Which isn't to say I'm a fan. I just respect him. Which is more than I can say for most of the pundits on his side of the aisle. It's not their politics, it's their method.
 
2013-05-02 04:09:35 PM
George Will is more or less a Goldwater Republican. A dying breed.
 
2013-05-02 04:52:14 PM
And he's a good-looking guy.
 
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