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(Wired UK)   Gearbox is being sued over Aliens:Colonial Marines. Subby wants to know if they could throw in a cease and desist order with the Borderlands 2 nerfing   (wired.co.uk) divider line 90
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2013-05-02 01:45:31 AM  
Eh, this will go nowhere.

I thought sega was finally suing Gearbox over lack of good faith or something like that when it came to making the game, since GB had little to do with the development.
 
2013-05-02 09:25:03 AM  
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2013-05-02 09:56:18 AM  
Tough call. On one hand, Gearbox, if I understand the story correctly, completely misused funds for this game for their own products, and really, should be held liable for that. But people suing because they bought a shiatty game? That sets a precedent that will come back to haunt a LOT of companies, and may even drive smaller, independent companies to re-think whether or not their game they actually put hard work into is worth putting out, in case other people won't like it and will sue them.
 
2013-05-02 09:56:43 AM  

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Coffee just blasted out of my nose.

Bravo!
 
2013-05-02 10:02:59 AM  
Wait, what happened to Borderlands 2?  I've been meaning to finish that game.
 
2013-05-02 10:07:16 AM  

RoxtarRyan: Tough call. On one hand, Gearbox, if I understand the story correctly, completely misused funds for this game for their own products, and really, should be held liable for that. But people suing because they bought a shiatty game? That sets a precedent that will come back to haunt a LOT of companies, and may even drive smaller, independent companies to re-think whether or not their game they actually put hard work into is worth putting out, in case other people won't like it and will sue them.


I agree with you, but I think we can both agree that the game that was hyped and advertised was not the game that was delivered. The fact that they put an embargo on reviews until release day shows they knew it was a shiatty product and wanted to delay the negative feedback as much as possible.

I thought Dragon Age 2 was a shiatty game, but advertising didn't mislead me on that. I just had really lofty expectations for it and that was more my fault. If I had purchased A:CM, I really would've felt that it was false advertising. That game was a best a buggy mess, and at worst not even a finished game.
 
2013-05-02 10:08:36 AM  

Kaeishiwaza: Wait, what happened to Borderlands 2?  I've been meaning to finish that game.


This is actually the more important question.
 
2013-05-02 10:09:28 AM  

Kaeishiwaza: Wait, what happened to Borderlands 2?  I've been meaning to finish that game.


Subby is probably whining about Gearbox nerfing The Bee shield's amp damage amount and per-pellet shotgun silly business, and more recently, the Evil Smasher and the glitch that let you switch back and forth to it while it was doing its reload animation.  The Evil Smasher glitch, while pretty hilarious and fun, was also game breaking.  Anyone with an Evil Smasher and an Infinity Pistol could pretty much make themselves an unstoppable bullet spraying monster.  If they had left that glitch in place with the recent level cap increase, the entire point of having an extremely difficult 3rd playthrough and end game would have been broken, as you could easily walk through the whole 3rd run without issue.  I used to use the Evil Smasher glitch to walk my friends' new characters through the 1st and 2nd playthrough so they could get to the end game stuff without playing the story over and over and over again.
 
2013-05-02 10:11:22 AM  

RoxtarRyan: Tough call. On one hand, Gearbox, if I understand the story correctly, completely misused funds for this game for their own products, and really, should be held liable for that. But people suing because they bought a shiatty game? That sets a precedent that will come back to haunt a LOT of companies, and may even drive smaller, independent companies to re-think whether or not their game they actually put hard work into is worth putting out, in case other people won't like it and will sue them.


It might not happen this case, but there is another out there where the program slipped bitcoin mining code into the program to mine for the publisher.  I don't think the publishers' hardline (and Microsoft's traditional) "we will do whatever we want with the computer you just gave us, and you should be thankful for it" will last much longer.  Don't know where the line will be drawn, bitcoins, installers that continue to torrent their code and use up all your upstream capability until you manually uninstall it, or even bad games.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/secret-bitcoin-mining-softwa re -added-to-video-game-sparks-outrage/
 
2013-05-02 10:11:30 AM  

Kaeishiwaza: Wait, what happened to Borderlands 2?  I've been meaning to finish that game.


They eliminated a cheat (Evil Smasher glitch, or possibly the earlier Bee/Shotgun fix) and cheaters such as subby are annoyed about it.

Now, I'm personally annoyed that they removed the Storage Bank glitch (there was an easy to use glitch that allowed you to store infinite amounts of stuff in the Storage Bank).  Now, this was needed to cover up a blatant design flaw-the amount of storage (in a looting game!) is incredibility small.
 
2013-05-02 10:13:38 AM  
Sued?  Have you seen that piece of shiat game?  I wanna know why Gearbox isnt in gitmo with a elctrodes shocking all their balls off for that piece of shiat.
 
2013-05-02 10:16:34 AM  

Geotpf: Kaeishiwaza: Wait, what happened to Borderlands 2?  I've been meaning to finish that game.

They eliminated a cheat (Evil Smasher glitch, or possibly the earlier Bee/Shotgun fix) and cheaters such as subby are annoyed about it.

Now, I'm personally annoyed that they removed the Storage Bank glitch (there was an easy to use glitch that allowed you to store infinite amounts of stuff in the Storage Bank).  Now, this was needed to cover up a blatant design flaw-the amount of storage (in a looting game!) is incredibility small.


Hahahaha so you aren't a cheater but subby is? Exploiting a glitch is exploiting a glitch, and whether you liked it or not Gearbox designed the Storage Bank to only hold a certain amount.

Me, I'll say that I was upset about all of the nerfs/glitch fixes (Bee, Smasher, bank, etc.). I hadn't had the Bee shield 2 days before they issued that patch. Them farking with the drop rates on super-rares is also BS.

Unless it's something that negatively affects your character or other players, don't fark with the game.
 
2013-05-02 10:20:07 AM  

scottydoesntknow: The fact that they put an embargo on reviews until release day shows they knew it was a shiatty product and wanted to delay the negative feedback as much as possible.


Kind of like how movie studios won't let people review their movie before it hits theaters!
 
2013-05-02 10:21:31 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Geotpf: Kaeishiwaza: Wait, what happened to Borderlands 2?  I've been meaning to finish that game.

They eliminated a cheat (Evil Smasher glitch, or possibly the earlier Bee/Shotgun fix) and cheaters such as subby are annoyed about it.

Now, I'm personally annoyed that they removed the Storage Bank glitch (there was an easy to use glitch that allowed you to store infinite amounts of stuff in the Storage Bank).  Now, this was needed to cover up a blatant design flaw-the amount of storage (in a looting game!) is incredibility small.

Hahahaha so you aren't a cheater but subby is? Exploiting a glitch is exploiting a glitch, and whether you liked it or not Gearbox designed the Storage Bank to only hold a certain amount.

Me, I'll say that I was upset about all of the nerfs/glitch fixes (Bee, Smasher, bank, etc.). I hadn't had the Bee shield 2 days before they issued that patch. Them farking with the drop rates on super-rares is also BS.

Unless it's something that negatively affects your character or other players, don't fark with the game.


One causes you to be able to kill things faster; it removes all skill from the game.  One allows you to actually keep the loot you got from the thing you killed instead of being forced to throw it away or sell it to the vendors.  Quite different.  Plus, almost every public game had people doing the ESS cheat, ruining the game for everybody else until they were kicked.

I would much prefer they add additional storage legitimately to being forced to use the storage bank glitch.
 
2013-05-02 10:24:58 AM  

RoxtarRyan: scottydoesntknow: The fact that they put an embargo on reviews until release day shows they knew it was a shiatty product and wanted to delay the negative feedback as much as possible.

Kind of like how movie studios won't let people review their movie before it hits theaters!


At least with those kind of movies (99% of the time it's the parody or just shiatty comedy ones) you know it's going to be shiat because of the commercials. If the commercials can't even make me crack a smile, I'm not even going to waste the effort looking at reviews.
 
2013-05-02 10:31:45 AM  

chozo13: scottydoesntknow: Prior to purchase:
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Coffee just blasted out of my nose.

Bravo!


Coke burns the sinuses!

/The bubble stuff, not the powder, sheesh!
//He's Hicks...
 
2013-05-02 10:31:50 AM  

Geotpf: One causes you to be able to kill things faster; it removes all skill from the game. One allows you to actually keep the loot you got from the thing you killed instead of being forced to throw it away or sell it to the vendors. Quite different. Plus, almost every public game had people doing the ESS cheat, ruining the game for everybody else until they were kicked.

I would much prefer they add additional storage legitimately to being forced to use the storage bank glitch.


Some people actually like that. Hell I remember playing Diablo II and farming my ass off to try and get the perfect gear so I could build my Hammerdin. That glitch meant insane amounts of damage (20K per hammer), and I could A) Help friends get through the areas faster so we could play and B) farm high-level bosses for more loot.

I'll agree that it could ruin other people's time (I never played online with random people, it was either myself or my friends playing). And I also want them to add more storage to the game, it's pretty dumb to have so few slots for a looting game.
 
2013-05-02 10:33:35 AM  

wraithmare: /The bubble stuff, not the powder, sheesh!
//He's Hicks...


Nope. Hicks is the one that survives to the end with Ripley (although he's really farked up by then).

www.zerosun.com
 
2013-05-02 10:39:50 AM  

scottydoesntknow: RoxtarRyan: scottydoesntknow: The fact that they put an embargo on reviews until release day shows they knew it was a shiatty product and wanted to delay the negative feedback as much as possible.

Kind of like how movie studios won't let people review their movie before it hits theaters!

At least with those kind of movies (99% of the time it's the parody or just shiatty comedy ones) you know it's going to be shiat because of the commercials. If the commercials can't even make me crack a smile, I'm not even going to waste the effort looking at reviews.


Pretty much! On the other hand though, I HATE seeing trailers that give too much away, for either video games or movies. Anytime I see a trailer on TV for a movie I want to see, I change the channel. Example: Iron Man 3. Look, don't give away that Stark has shiatloads of new tech, don't tell me who the bad guy is, or anything else. Most of America has seen the other two, and if not, have seen The Avengers. We know who the hell Tony Stark is, and we know the movie will be chock full of awesome effects and witty one liners and have some kind of new threat. Just tell us the damn movie is coming out on whatever date, and go see it. Save the possible spoilers and kickass explosions for the actual movie.
 
2013-05-02 10:40:49 AM  

Geotpf: I would much prefer they add additional storage legitimately to being forced to use the storage bank glitch.


I just kept bank characters around.  I would create a character for the sole purpose of holding on to things.  Have a friend host the game, join the game with whatever toon has the loot you want to store, drop it on the ground, then exit and join with your "storage toon" and pick up the drops.  I usually name my storage characters "Lootsplosion" and a rarity color to keep track of them.  So, LootsplosionOrange carries and banks nothing but orange loot.  If you need something specific, just grab that toon, have him toss his stuff into Claptrap's stash, and then go grab it with your actual gameplay toon. 

As far as fixing the ES glitch, seriously, that BROKE the game.  I don't ever play with random people, I only play with my wife and our friends, so I don't have to deal with random players.  But I'm certain the game would get boring quickly if there was someone in the game using the ES glitch.  Like I said, I used the ES glitch to help get my friends newly created toons up to the end of playthrough 2 as quickly as possible.  They would usually just stand off to the side while I rushed through the story missions.  With a lvl 50 evil smasher and a lvl 50 infinity pistol (or two, I had a non-elemental and a corrosive one) you could kill the Warrior in about 15 seconds, and half that wait was waiting for him to emerge in the area where they scripted him to die over by the control panel.  With a bee shield on, you were letting loose 2.5million dmg per bullet out of the infinity pistols, with a Gunzerker, double it.  Not to mention, the Evil Smasher glitch also boosted the rate of fire and accuracy of all weapons.  Making the Infinity pistol fire like a laserbeam.  Just tapping the trigger would unleash about 20 million dmg points on the intended target with pinpoint accuracy.  It needed to go, as fun as it was to be able to walk through the first two playthroughs in an afternoon, it certainly ruins casual play.
 
2013-05-02 11:03:18 AM  

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I was expecting just another bug hunt in this thread.
 
2013-05-02 11:15:45 AM  

scottydoesntknow: wraithmare: /The bubble stuff, not the powder, sheesh!
//He's Hicks...

Nope. Hicks is the one that survives to the end with Ripley (although he's really farked up by then).

[www.zerosun.com image 490x290]


And woosh, right over your head.

/saw what was done there
 
2013-05-02 11:30:22 AM  
They should to get sued over all this.  Rarely have I seen a game so misrepresented to the press, gamers, etc.  hat they showed at trade shows was nothign like what actually shipped in the end, and they knew this months before hand.  A lot of angry pre-orders from all this.

You can look back at previous examples, like Killzone 2 and Halo 2, but both later showed off actual gameplay more representative of the game by the time they shipped.

Aliens CM didn't.  They literally mislead everyone, knowing the embargo wouldn't be up till it was too late to effect pre-orders.
 
2013-05-02 11:39:58 AM  

Antimatter: They should to get sued over all this.  Rarely have I seen a game so misrepresented to the press, gamers, etc.  hat they showed at trade shows was nothign like what actually shipped in the end, and they knew this months before hand.  A lot of angry pre-orders from all this.

You can look back at previous examples, like Killzone 2 and Halo 2, but both later showed off actual gameplay more representative of the game by the time they shipped.

Aliens CM didn't.  They literally mislead everyone, knowing the embargo wouldn't be up till it was too late to effect pre-orders.


I was all hyped up to buy this when it was getting close to come out. Got distracted by something I was working on and a few weeks went by. By the time I got ready to buy it, I saw the reviews coming in.

Glad I waited.
 
2013-05-02 11:50:17 AM  
From what I've heard, this does rise to the level of misleading advertising.  Of course, the people who bought the game will get like a dollar or a coupon for a free shiatty game or something.
 
2013-05-02 11:50:35 AM  

Titanius Anglesmith: Antimatter: They should to get sued over all this.  Rarely have I seen a game so misrepresented to the press, gamers, etc.  hat they showed at trade shows was nothign like what actually shipped in the end, and they knew this months before hand.  A lot of angry pre-orders from all this.

You can look back at previous examples, like Killzone 2 and Halo 2, but both later showed off actual gameplay more representative of the game by the time they shipped.

Aliens CM didn't.  They literally mislead everyone, knowing the embargo wouldn't be up till it was too late to effect pre-orders.

I was all hyped up to buy this when it was getting close to come out. Got distracted by something I was working on and a few weeks went by. By the time I got ready to buy it, I saw the reviews coming in.

Glad I waited.


I guess I am one of the few that really enjoy that game. Play the hell out of it single player then went through on multiplayer campaign. All I wanted was to shoot and kill Xenomorphs. That is what I got. No complaints here. Still play it too.
 
2013-05-02 11:57:43 AM  

Antimatter: Rarely have I seen a game so misrepresented to the press, gamers, etc.


Spore? That was supposed to be something much, MUCH better, more involved and more "science-y", instead turned into a DRM-infested crappy shiatfest.
Duke Nukem Forever? Not much else needs to be said about that one.
Dead Space 3? Completely underwhelming. Would love to get my money back for that, but will never happen.

Software is a quirky thing... Any software should have a "buyer beware" sticker on it. Unless they explicitly come out and say "THIS IS THE GAME YOU WILL PLAY", everything shown at a demo is an alpha/ beta and subject to change.

Now, if they actually showed commercials for the product and it had test demo footage or alpha footage in there and it didn't say otherwise, THAT would be misleading. This may or may not be the case for Aliens, cause frankly, I had a feeling it would be a stinker, so never bothered watching them.
 
2013-05-02 12:01:38 PM  

RoxtarRyan: scottydoesntknow: The fact that they put an embargo on reviews until release day shows they knew it was a shiatty product and wanted to delay the negative feedback as much as possible.

Kind of like how movie studios won't let people review their movie before it hits theaters!


This is a little different than hiding a bad product from critics

It would be like Iron Man 3 having Robert Downey, Jr. in the trailers, and then the actual film having Morton Downey, Jr. in it.
 
2013-05-02 12:19:20 PM  

Sgt Otter: It would be like Iron Man 3 having Robert Downey, Jr. in the trailers, and then the actual film having Morton Downey, Jr. in it.


Or Tim Honks?
 
2013-05-02 12:19:59 PM  
Just came in to say that despite my dislike of the Borderlands series, Claptrap is hilarious in Poker Night 2. Little shiat-talking bastard.
 
2013-05-02 12:21:23 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Spore? That was supposed to be something much, MUCH better, more involved and more "science-y", instead turned into a DRM-infested crappy shiatfest.
Duke Nukem Forever? Not much else needs to be said about that one.
Dead Space 3? Completely underwhelming. Would love to get my money back for that, but will never happen.


EA/Spore was sued by two different individuals, specifically for the implentation of SecuROM. That forced EA to remove the DRM and open up the number of authorized machines from 3 to 5. If anything that showed that threatening/filing lawsuits can get publishers and developers to change for the better.

Duke Nuken Forever? If anyone expected that to actually be more than what it was, that was their own fault. I had very low expectations for it which was confirmed by the reviews. The trailers and commercials for it looked like shiat, like the actual game.

Dead Space 3 was a cash-grab definitely, but the game worked and what was advertised is what was reflected in the actual game. I felt the same about Dragon Age 2, but that was my own expectations that weren't met.

Now, if they actually showed commercials for the product and it had test demo footage or alpha footage in there and it didn't say otherwise, THAT would be misleading.

Randy Pitchford said that word for word a couple of times (that it was actual in-game footage) at the different expos and demos showing it off.

The UK Advertising board forced them to add a disclaimer to the bottom of the commercials saying "This does not reflect in-game graphics/content" because even they felt it was misleading.
 
2013-05-02 12:22:35 PM  

mooseyfate: Just came in to say that despite my dislike of the Borderlands series, Claptrap is hilarious in Poker Night 2. Little shiat-talking bastard.


In case you didn't know, the voice of ClapTrap is a Farker. He gets on from time to time.
 
2013-05-02 12:24:13 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mooseyfate: Just came in to say that despite my dislike of the Borderlands series, Claptrap is hilarious in Poker Night 2. Little shiat-talking bastard.

In case you didn't know, the voice of ClapTrap is a Farker. He gets on from time to time.


Good for him. Claptrap always reminded me of GIR.
 
2013-05-02 12:33:02 PM  

yves0010: I guess I am one of the few that really enjoy that game. Play the hell out of it single player then went through on multiplayer campaign. All I wanted was to shoot and kill Xenomorphs. That is what I got. No complaints here. Still play it too.


Same here.  I'll admit I'm a huge Aliens fan, so really anything with a pulse rifle would have made me happy.  But the game wasn't nearly as bad as everyone claims (or assumes) it is.  Some parts were damn clever and a kinda scary.  I've spent more on less, many times.

But really, a lawsuit?  No one made you preorder it.  No one made you buy it before reviews came out.
 
2013-05-02 12:38:02 PM  

mooseyfate: Just came in to say that despite my dislike of the Borderlands series, Claptrap is hilarious in Poker Night 2. Little shiat-talking bastard.


I've lost many a hand just because I'm laughing too hard to make smart plays.  Also, I just suck at poker.
 
2013-05-02 12:39:38 PM  

PanicMan: yves0010: I guess I am one of the few that really enjoy that game. Play the hell out of it single player then went through on multiplayer campaign. All I wanted was to shoot and kill Xenomorphs. That is what I got. No complaints here. Still play it too.

Same here.  I'll admit I'm a huge Aliens fan, so really anything with a pulse rifle would have made me happy.  But the game wasn't nearly as bad as everyone claims (or assumes) it is.  Some parts were damn clever and a kinda scary.  I've spent more on less, many times.

But really, a lawsuit?  No one made you preorder it.  No one made you buy it before reviews came out.


It had several pre-order exclusive items/perks, and the previews all looked very solid.  It's just, the preview were not representative of the actual game being released.
 
2013-05-02 12:45:11 PM  

readymix: Kaeishiwaza: Wait, what happened to Borderlands 2?  I've been meaning to finish that game.

Subby is probably whining about Gearbox nerfing The Bee shield's amp damage amount and per-pellet shotgun silly business, and more recently, the Evil Smasher and the glitch that let you switch back and forth to it while it was doing its reload animation.  The Evil Smasher glitch, while pretty hilarious and fun, was also game breaking.  Anyone with an Evil Smasher and an Infinity Pistol could pretty much make themselves an unstoppable bullet spraying monster.  If they had left that glitch in place with the recent level cap increase, the entire point of having an extremely difficult 3rd playthrough and end game would have been broken, as you could easily walk through the whole 3rd run without issue.  I used to use the Evil Smasher glitch to walk my friends' new characters through the 1st and 2nd playthrough so they could get to the end game stuff without playing the story over and over and over again.


Subby here.  I don't have a problem with the Bee shield and ES fix.  In fact they've made the game better.  What I was referring to was the Seraph store,  raid boss drops and some of the class mods.  It's bad enough that the tougher enemies are already bullet sponges, but cutting back on the weapons, shields and mods that bosses drop(and making certain Seraph weapons raid boss drops only) has made the after endgame a long, boring chore.  I occasionally play with some pretty hardcore farmers and even they are frustrated with the direction things are going.  Gearbox has been gradually nudging the game into a "World of Borderlands" direction and it's sucking the fun out of it.
 
2013-05-02 01:13:03 PM  

PanicMan: yves0010: I guess I am one of the few that really enjoy that game. Play the hell out of it single player then went through on multiplayer campaign. All I wanted was to shoot and kill Xenomorphs. That is what I got. No complaints here. Still play it too.

Same here.  I'll admit I'm a huge Aliens fan, so really anything with a pulse rifle would have made me happy.  But the game wasn't nearly as bad as everyone claims (or assumes) it is.  Some parts were damn clever and a kinda scary.  I've spent more on less, many times.

But really, a lawsuit?  No one made you preorder it.  No one made you buy it before reviews came out.


Hey, you're free to like what you want. But from a technical standpoint, the game failed on pretty much every level, and what was advertised is not what was delivered.

When you can run from the start of a level to the end without firing a single shot, that is not a good game.
 
2013-05-02 01:25:46 PM  
If anyone has standing to sue Gearbox over the game, it's Sega.
 
2013-05-02 01:32:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: PanicMan: yves0010: I guess I am one of the few that really enjoy that game. Play the hell out of it single player then went through on multiplayer campaign. All I wanted was to shoot and kill Xenomorphs. That is what I got. No complaints here. Still play it too.

Same here.  I'll admit I'm a huge Aliens fan, so really anything with a pulse rifle would have made me happy.  But the game wasn't nearly as bad as everyone claims (or assumes) it is.  Some parts were damn clever and a kinda scary.  I've spent more on less, many times.

But really, a lawsuit?  No one made you preorder it.  No one made you buy it before reviews came out.

Hey, you're free to like what you want. But from a technical standpoint, the game failed on pretty much every level, and what was advertised is not what was delivered.

When you can run from the start of a level to the end without firing a single shot, that is not a good game.


I know lots of people didn't like it, and I can understand that.  I just don't know on what grounds you can sue about being unhappy.  I really can't say without seeing the actual lawsuit.
 
2013-05-02 01:42:43 PM  

Flappyhead: readymix: Kaeishiwaza: Wait, what happened to Borderlands 2?  I've been meaning to finish that game.

Subby is probably whining about Gearbox nerfing The Bee shield's amp damage amount and per-pellet shotgun silly business, and more recently, the Evil Smasher and the glitch that let you switch back and forth to it while it was doing its reload animation.  The Evil Smasher glitch, while pretty hilarious and fun, was also game breaking.  Anyone with an Evil Smasher and an Infinity Pistol could pretty much make themselves an unstoppable bullet spraying monster.  If they had left that glitch in place with the recent level cap increase, the entire point of having an extremely difficult 3rd playthrough and end game would have been broken, as you could easily walk through the whole 3rd run without issue.  I used to use the Evil Smasher glitch to walk my friends' new characters through the 1st and 2nd playthrough so they could get to the end game stuff without playing the story over and over and over again.

Subby here.  I don't have a problem with the Bee shield and ES fix.  In fact they've made the game better.  What I was referring to was the Seraph store,  raid boss drops and some of the class mods.  It's bad enough that the tougher enemies are already bullet sponges, but cutting back on the weapons, shields and mods that bosses drop(and making certain Seraph weapons raid boss drops only) has made the after endgame a long, boring chore.  I occasionally play with some pretty hardcore farmers and even they are frustrated with the direction things are going.  Gearbox has been gradually nudging the game into a "World of Borderlands" direction and it's sucking the fun out of it.


Ok, that I can agree with for sure.  The drop rate is ridiculous.  Not only is a good drop from a raid boss not a guaranteed thing, but they have 24 hour timers on the Seraph crystals.  Or they used to.  I stopped giving a crap about the seraph crystals when I realized the junk at the seraph vendor really isn't worth grinding through 5 raid bosses per day for a week to be able to afford them.  The drop rates for the legendary stuff is infuriating for sure.  Things like the Infinity Pistol with a 0.5% drop rate from Doc Mercy.  That means if you kill him 200 times, you might get one.  Or the Bee Shield, that drops from Hunter Hellquist, but if you complete the Hunter Hellquist mission, he's gone for good.  The only way around it is to sit and farm varkids for hours till one of them drops a Quasar grenade, or find a singularity grenade that has an area of effect large enough to piss him off through the wall.  Though the Bee drop rate is much higher than the Infinity, it's still a total grind.  A 5% drop rate for rare stuff would be a HUGE improvement over the current setup.
 
2013-05-02 01:45:44 PM  

scottydoesntknow: RoxtarRyan: Spore? That was supposed to be something much, MUCH better, more involved and more "science-y", instead turned into a DRM-infested crappy shiatfest.
Duke Nukem Forever? Not much else needs to be said about that one.
Dead Space 3? Completely underwhelming. Would love to get my money back for that, but will never happen.

EA/Spore was sued by two different individuals, specifically for the implentation of SecuROM. That forced EA to remove the DRM and open up the number of authorized machines from 3 to 5. If anything that showed that threatening/filing lawsuits can get publishers and developers to change for the better.

Duke Nuken Forever? If anyone expected that to actually be more than what it was, that was their own fault. I had very low expectations for it which was confirmed by the reviews. The trailers and commercials for it looked like shiat, like the actual game.

Dead Space 3 was a cash-grab definitely, but the game worked and what was advertised is what was reflected in the actual game. I felt the same about Dragon Age 2, but that was my own expectations that weren't met.

Now, if they actually showed commercials for the product and it had test demo footage or alpha footage in there and it didn't say otherwise, THAT would be misleading.

Randy Pitchford said that word for word a couple of times (that it was actual in-game footage) at the different expos and demos showing it off.

The UK Advertising board forced them to add a disclaimer to the bottom of the commercials saying "This does not reflect in-game graphics/content" because even they felt it was misleading.


Duke Nukem was exactly what is was supposed to be,
 
2013-05-02 01:53:10 PM  

mooseyfate: Just came in to say that despite my dislike of the Borderlands series, Claptrap is hilarious in Poker Night 2. Little shiat-talking bastard.


I'm loving PN:2!

"I'm going all in. Like I did with your mom last night... turns out she's a really good poker player."
 
2013-05-02 01:53:51 PM  

PanicMan: I know lots of people didn't like it, and I can understand that. I just don't know on what grounds you can sue about being unhappy. I really can't say without seeing the actual lawsuit.


He's not suing because he's unhappy (well he is unhappy, but that's not the basis for the lawsuit). He's suing because the advertising/"game-play" trailers for the game did not reflect what was actually being sold.

It would be like purchasing Marve''s "Thor":
upload.wikimedia.org

And actually ending up with Asylum's "Almighty Thor" on the disk:
www.theasylum.cc
 
2013-05-02 02:00:28 PM  
Playing with someone using the Evil Smasher glitch was boring as hell.

Bank and backpack space would freeze some peoples' systems so it had to be fixed.

They didn't nerf the Bee too much but along with the shotguns not counting pellets really sucks. Also the Baby Maker is kinda useless to throw full now. Personally I use the Flame of the Firehawk now, after lvl 50 the Bee isn't all that great in Ultimate Vault Hunter. Plus it works great on Deathtrap.

Everything else is just people complaining for the sake of complaining. Before the level increase everyone wanted the cap to go higher, now they think it was too much and don't want another one. I say max that f*cker out!
 
2013-05-02 02:07:09 PM  

mooseyfate: Just came in to say that despite my dislike of the Borderlands series, Claptrap is hilarious in Poker Night 2. Little shiat-talking bastard.


stopped by a friend's house the other day, and he was playing that game.  I was quite pleased to discover that you can play poker with Ash from Army of Darkness.
 
2013-05-02 02:11:22 PM  

RoxtarRyan:  But people suing because they bought a shiatty game?


It's not that the game is shiat.   It's that every demo, promo reel and "vertical slice of gaming" put out by them showed the game in a totally different light to what was actually released.  They are in fact two totally different games, even the mechanics used in the demo's are different in the release (or plain not there).

Now if you could just mark it as "not as advertised" (which is true it isn't) and return the damn thing then there would be no need to get the legal people involved, because they're the only ones who make money when you sue people.  But the games industry has systematically stopped the consumer from returning defective or falsely advertised products so that option is not open to people.

The only option that is open is to sue them.   The game industry has brought this on itself, hopefully the suit goes through and slaps the company silly
 
2013-05-02 02:20:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: PanicMan: I know lots of people didn't like it, and I can understand that. I just don't know on what grounds you can sue about being unhappy. I really can't say without seeing the actual lawsuit.

He's not suing because he's unhappy (well he is unhappy, but that's not the basis for the lawsuit). He's suing because the advertising/"game-play" trailers for the game did not reflect what was actually being sold.

It would be like purchasing Marve''s "Thor":
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x326]

And actually ending up with Asylum's "Almighty Thor" on the disk:
[www.theasylum.cc image 256x359]


Thanks, I've been trying to think a way to articulate that same thought using a movie analogy.
 
2013-05-02 02:21:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: PanicMan: yves0010: I guess I am one of the few that really enjoy that game. Play the hell out of it single player then went through on multiplayer campaign. All I wanted was to shoot and kill Xenomorphs. That is what I got. No complaints here. Still play it too.

Same here.  I'll admit I'm a huge Aliens fan, so really anything with a pulse rifle would have made me happy.  But the game wasn't nearly as bad as everyone claims (or assumes) it is.  Some parts were damn clever and a kinda scary.  I've spent more on less, many times.

But really, a lawsuit?  No one made you preorder it.  No one made you buy it before reviews came out.

Hey, you're free to like what you want. But from a technical standpoint, the game failed on pretty much every level, and what was advertised is not what was delivered.

When you can run from the start of a level to the end without firing a single shot, that is not a good game.


The ability to perform a Pacifist Run is not itself demonstrative of poor design quality.

Youtube video creater MrBTongue argued that an "Aliens" based game would work in the "survival horror" genre, where not firing a "single shot" would be of great benefit in conserving resources.
 
2013-05-02 02:30:57 PM  

readymix: Geotpf: I would much prefer they add additional storage legitimately to being forced to use the storage bank glitch.

I just kept bank characters around.  I would create a character for the sole purpose of holding on to things.  Have a friend host the game, join the game with whatever toon has the loot you want to store, drop it on the ground, then exit and join with your "storage toon" and pick up the drops.  I usually name my storage characters "Lootsplosion" and a rarity color to keep track of them.  So, LootsplosionOrange carries and banks nothing but orange loot.  If you need something specific, just grab that toon, have him toss his stuff into Claptrap's stash, and then go grab it with your actual gameplay toon. 

As far as fixing the ES glitch, seriously, that BROKE the game.  I don't ever play with random people, I only play with my wife and our friends, so I don't have to deal with random players.  But I'm certain the game would get boring quickly if there was someone in the game using the ES glitch.  Like I said, I used the ES glitch to help get my friends newly created toons up to the end of playthrough 2 as quickly as possible.  They would usually just stand off to the side while I rushed through the story missions.  With a lvl 50 evil smasher and a lvl 50 infinity pistol (or two, I had a non-elemental and a corrosive one) you could kill the Warrior in about 15 seconds, and half that wait was waiting for him to emerge in the area where they scripted him to die over by the control panel.  With a bee shield on, you were letting loose 2.5million dmg per bullet out of the infinity pistols, with a Gunzerker, double it.  Not to mention, the Evil Smasher glitch also boosted the rate of fire and accuracy of all weapons.  Making the Infinity pistol fire like a laserbeam.  Just tapping the trigger would unleash about 20 million dmg points on the intended target with pinpoint accuracy.  It needed to go, as fun as it was to be able to walk through the first two play ...


Damn. I could use that. It has been long enough that I can't even really describe where my gunzerker is, but every couple of steps involves another giant robot boss to fight. I just got sick of it.
 
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