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(The Hill)   Sen. Harry Reid agrees w/ Sen. Baucus that Obamacare may become 'train wreck.' Reid's solution? More funding. What were you expecting?   (thehill.com) divider line 99
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2013-05-02 09:23:00 AM  
This is a pretty classic example of GOP obstructionism working. Deny the government the necessary funds to run a program, watch as the program then falters, and you can then both (i) campaign on how the program is broken and government doesn't work and (ii) campaign against Democrats asking for more funding.
 
2013-05-02 10:02:19 AM  

DamnYankees: This is a pretty classic example of GOP obstructionism working. Deny the government the necessary funds to run a program, watch as the program then falters, and you can then both (i) campaign on how the program is broken and government doesn't work and (ii) campaign against Democrats asking for more funding.


"The National Health Service is safe in our hands." - Margaret Thatcher

The thought of a successful public health program terrifies the GOP.  Not even Thatcher dared kill the NHS.  Funny how the people can get used to not becoming sick or dying.
 
2013-05-02 10:04:53 AM  
The Republican Party motto: "Government is the problem. Elect us, and we'll prove it!"
 
2013-05-02 10:06:14 AM  
The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".

Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.
 
2013-05-02 10:07:51 AM  
The GOP is going to regret pinning Obama's name to this legislation.
 
2013-05-02 10:08:00 AM  

DamnYankees: This is a pretty classic example of GOP obstructionism working. Deny the government the necessary funds to run a program, watch as the program then falters, and you can then both (i) campaign on how the program is broken and government doesn't work and (ii) campaign against Democrats asking for more funding.


Pretty much. The whargle-sphere has been exploding with "Look how much its going to cost! The Government always lies! If only they listened to me[Glenn Beck], Sean, or Rush!

I mean when you have 30+ votes on how repealing a measure, and lord knows how many votes aimed at under/defunding specific portions of it. That is just at the Federal level, the various derps at the state level are even worse in republican supermajority states.
 
2013-05-02 10:09:23 AM  
wow now it is 50-60 million people?

The study done by Harvard suggests 20 million....of which illegal aliens are included, people who qualify for govrnment programs but do not apply, and young professionals who feel they are young and healthy and don't need health insurance.


I predict democrats claiming 100 million without health insurance within 3 months in order to drum up more emotional must do something now type reaction.

In 6 months democrats will claim 150 million without health insurance.
 
2013-05-02 10:10:26 AM  

CPennypacker: We are all going to regret this legislation.


Edited for accuracy.
 
2013-05-02 10:12:18 AM  

s2s2s2: Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.


You forget that in order to prevent soshalizums from stealing our precious bodily fluids, we must institute as Rube-Goldberg-y health insurance system as possible to ensure that HI companies, as well as providers, get their cut of this ever-expanding (now-)almost-fifth of the economy.

The easiest way to get 100% coverage and stable program funding is a government-run system.
The most capitalistest (and therefore, god-approved) way to do it is to sign over your paychecks to Aetna/BC.
 
2013-05-02 10:13:10 AM  
It's time to bury health insurance companies.
 
2013-05-02 10:15:03 AM  

FarkedOver: It's time to bury health insurance companies.


Single payer, takes a layer of profit out of the system and "should" cut costs. Works in other single payer based countries but we all know the USA likes to be #1 so why not #1 in health care costs...
 
2013-05-02 10:16:03 AM  

s2s2s2: CPennypacker: We are all going to regret this legislation.

Edited for accuracy.


So obviously you hate it. What would you have done instead?
 
2013-05-02 10:17:09 AM  

monoski: FarkedOver: It's time to bury health insurance companies.

Single payer, takes a layer of profit out of the system and "should" cut costs. Works in other single payer based countries but we all know the USA likes to be #1 so why not #1 in health care costs...


I think it scares the shiat out of not only health insurance companies, but regular businesses as well.  You may see people leaving jobs they would otherwise feel "stuck" at just because of the benefits.  This could be a revolutionary moment for the working class to actually pick and choose their occupation.
 
2013-05-02 10:17:51 AM  
Bush's "No Child Left Behind" was a train wreck because of improper funding. Not sure what the outrage is here over learning from his many, many mistakes.
 
2013-05-02 10:18:34 AM  
I love that we can't fund healthcare for poor people but we can allocate money for tanks that the Pentagon doesn't even want.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/28/army-says-no-to-more-tank s- but-congress-insists/
 
2013-05-02 10:20:33 AM  
I used to hate this bill because it fails to do enough to fix the problem, that decent health care is too expensive or inaccessible for too many people, banning pre-existing condition rejections and covered until 26 provisions aside.

I've come around though. I like it now because it will be the last gasp of our private, employer sponsored health system. It'll fail to sufficiently fix the problem and the system will be forced to move towards a more public sponsored model.
 
2013-05-02 10:22:50 AM  
GOP on National Healthcare: NO!
GOP on Guns: We need more healthcare, not more laws!


Anyone else think this is odd?
 
2013-05-02 10:22:56 AM  
So the act was passed without funding mechanisms in place to ensure smooth enactment? How did that happen?
 
2013-05-02 10:25:48 AM  

Lord_Baull: GOP on National Healthcare: NO!
GOP on Guns: We need more healthcare, not more laws!


Anyone else think this is odd?


Not at all, perfectly consistent for them. Keep in mind that they don't want things to work.
 
2013-05-02 10:26:01 AM  

Serious Black: What would you have done instead?


I may have the country wrong, but I think it is Thailand's healthcare system: Go to whatever Dr you want, get care, Dr sends bill to the government.
 
2013-05-02 10:26:20 AM  

FarkedOver: monoski: FarkedOver: It's time to bury health insurance companies.

Single payer, takes a layer of profit out of the system and "should" cut costs. Works in other single payer based countries but we all know the USA likes to be #1 so why not #1 in health care costs...

I think it scares the shiat out of not only health insurance companies, but regular businesses as well.  You may see people leaving jobs they would otherwise feel "stuck" at just because of the benefits.  This could be a revolutionary moment for the working class to actually pick and choose their occupation.


You're being a little too modest with your use of the word "may." I would have used the word "will." RAND did a clever study looking at the rate of entrepreneurship just before turning a certain age and just after turning a certain age for people between the ages of 55 and 75. There was no difference in the rate of creating new businesses for people on either side of that division for any age save one. That one age where people created more businesses after turning it than before turning it? 65. Coincidentally, 65 is when people become eligible for Medicare.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/periodicals/rand-review/issues/2011/summer/ ne ws2.html
 
2013-05-02 10:26:42 AM  

Lord_Baull: GOP on National Healthcare: NO!
GOP on Guns: We need more healthcare, not more laws!


Anyone else think this is odd?


Don't worry. Now that they feel the guns are safe they'll go back to denying more health care
 
2013-05-02 10:28:06 AM  

s2s2s2: Serious Black: What would you have done instead?

I may have the country wrong, but I think it is Thailand's healthcare system: Go to whatever Dr you want, get care, Dr sends bill to the government.


Isn't that effectively what Medicare is for people over the age of 65 in America?
 
2013-05-02 10:28:53 AM  
I wonder how much support there would be for something like:

"Would you agree to pay x% more taxes for universal government provided healthcare?" where x% is the amount necessary to pay for it.

I'm not sure it would garner majority support. There is a pretty big group that doesn't want taxes raised for anything, even if they made up for the increased taxes with no healthcare costs.
 
2013-05-02 10:32:07 AM  

Serious Black: Isn't that effectively what Medicare is for people over the age of 65 in America?


It's not what it is for me.
 
2013-05-02 10:34:42 AM  
The important thing here is not what may or may not be happening in objective reality. The important thing her is that LIBS ARE BAD.
 
2013-05-02 10:35:03 AM  

js34603: "Would you agree to pay x% more taxes for universal government provided healthcare?" where x% is the amount necessary to pay for it.


Well, you're already on the hook for 2.9% of your income to help old people, and they eat up something like 40% of health care costs in the country already. If we bumped it to 5.8% and you no longer had to worry about paying your own premia, billing for care, the insanity of ER care, finding a "covered" or "in-network" doctor; and providers no longer had to track Medicare and private-care (and god help them if they serve multiple insurance companies) separately, etc, I think you might have a hard time keeping people from the polls.

Of course, it won't stop the capitalism-uber-alles crowd from derping it up in opposition.

// can't stop the derp, Mal
 
2013-05-02 10:35:44 AM  

s2s2s2: The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".

Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.


Yep.
 
2013-05-02 10:37:31 AM  

Ned Stark: s2s2s2: The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".

Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.

Yep.


Take it a step further.  The government should subsidize people going to school to become doctors and nurses as well.
 
2013-05-02 10:39:06 AM  
It's a train wreck because that is the way it was written.  Dems can't pin this one on anyone but themselves, no matter how hard they may try.  You can sugarcoat a dog turd all you want..When you bite into it, it's still just a dog turd.  Obamacare will fail.
 
2013-05-02 10:41:00 AM  

FarkedOver: Ned Stark: s2s2s2: The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".

Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.

Yep.

Take it a step further.  The government should subsidize people going to school to become doctors and nurses as well.


Include architects, engineers, chemists and other useful careers.
 
2013-05-02 10:42:09 AM  

FarkedOver: Ned Stark: s2s2s2: The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".

Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.

Yep.

Take it a step further.  The government should subsidize people going to school to become doctors and nurses as well.


Our "education" system could use a lot more work than that.

But yeah.
 
2013-05-02 10:42:13 AM  

s2s2s2: Serious Black: Isn't that effectively what Medicare is for people over the age of 65 in America?

It's not what it is for me.


"Medicare's eligibility age is now 0." Voila. Then it would be for you as well.

/I agree that I'd rather have Medicare for All than a Frankenstein's monster of a system
 
2013-05-02 10:45:07 AM  

Lord_Baull: FarkedOver: Ned Stark: s2s2s2: The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".

Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.

Yep.

Take it a step further.  The government should subsidize people going to school to become doctors and nurses as well.

Include architects, engineers, chemists and other useful careers.


It already does. Even for your art history degree.
 
2013-05-02 10:49:33 AM  

s2s2s2: The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".


Yep. And when people pointed that out at the time they were shouted down with "But the only alternative is doing nothing!"

Political careers were at stake and lobbyists had to be paid. So something was done.
 
2013-05-02 10:50:50 AM  

FarkedOver: I think it scares the shiat out of not only health insurance companies, but regular businesses as well. You may see people leaving jobs they would otherwise feel "stuck" at just because of the benefits. This could be a revolutionary moment for the working class to actually pick and choose their occupation.


Here's something a bona fide "Farxist" and I can agree on!
 
2013-05-02 10:51:12 AM  

FarkedOver: monoski: FarkedOver: It's time to bury health insurance companies.

Single payer, takes a layer of profit out of the system and "should" cut costs. Works in other single payer based countries but we all know the USA likes to be #1 so why not #1 in health care costs...

I think it scares the shiat out of not only health insurance companies, but regular businesses as well.  You may see people leaving jobs they would otherwise feel "stuck" at just because of the benefits.  This could be a revolutionary moment for the working class to actually pick and choose their occupation.


May Day could actually be a holiday here.
 
2013-05-02 10:52:49 AM  

monoski: May Day could actually be a holiday here.


Isn't Labor Day essentially the same thing?
 
2013-05-02 10:53:37 AM  

Cletus C.: Lord_Baull: FarkedOver: Ned Stark: s2s2s2: The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".

Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.

Yep.

Take it a step further.  The government should subsidize people going to school to become doctors and nurses as well.

Include architects, engineers, chemists and other useful careers.

It already does. Even for your art history degree.



Art sciences. Get it right.
 
2013-05-02 10:56:46 AM  
A huge undertaking that may go wrong and then require repeated stopgap little funding bills, each of them in the tens of billions of dollars, and the rhetoric about the undertaking keeps changing, to explain why it's not all a huge clusterfark, it really was the right thing to do.

Hm.

Nope, can't think of anything like that in the past.
 
2013-05-02 10:56:53 AM  

FarkedOver: Ned Stark: s2s2s2: The plan was stupid and it should never have passed just so they could say they "did something".

Gov should pay for healthcare. That is all.

Yep.

Take it a step further.  The government should subsidize people going to school to become doctors and nurses as well.


At least as much as it subsidizes big oil and king corn.
 
2013-05-02 10:58:19 AM  

GoldSpider: monoski: May Day could actually be a holiday here.

Isn't Labor Day essentially the same thing?


Yes, but May Day SHOULD be an American holiday.  Typically it commemorates an American event with the whole Haymarket Affair and the struggle for the 8 hour work day.
 
2013-05-02 11:02:17 AM  
Here we go.

T-240 days and the blame mitigation has already begun.  The next 12 months will be interesting.
 
2013-05-02 11:05:13 AM  

FarkedOver: monoski: FarkedOver: It's time to bury health insurance companies.

Single payer, takes a layer of profit out of the system and "should" cut costs. Works in other single payer based countries but we all know the USA likes to be #1 so why not #1 in health care costs...

I think it scares the shiat out of not only health insurance companies, but regular businesses as well.  You may see people leaving jobs they would otherwise feel "stuck" at just because of the benefits.  This could be a revolutionary moment for the working class to actually pick and choose their occupation.


Funny!!

+2 Internet for you
Owe me a new keyboard, etc
 
2013-05-02 11:06:34 AM  

DamnYankees: This is a pretty classic example of GOP obstructionism working. Deny the government the necessary funds to run a program, watch as the program then falters, and you can then both (i) campaign on how the program is broken and government doesn't work and (ii) campaign against Democrats asking for more funding.


What funds were actually denied?

This is classic democrat. Pass the bill so we can find out what is in it, find out it is under funded.
Blame the GOP.
 
2013-05-02 11:06:47 AM  
So, we're finally understanding what's in it?

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-02 11:06:48 AM  

GoldSpider: monoski: May Day could actually be a holiday here.

Isn't Labor Day essentially the same thing?


Labor Day? That phony baloney holiday cooked up by far car union gangsters?

/hot damn, a day off
 
2013-05-02 11:07:27 AM  

js34603: GoldSpider: monoski: May Day could actually be a holiday here.

Isn't Labor Day essentially the same thing?

Labor Day? That phony baloney holiday cooked up by far car union gangsters?

/hot damn, a day off


Or fat cat, whichever.
 
2013-05-02 11:08:48 AM  

TheCruxOfTheBiscuitIsTheApostrophe: So, we're finally understanding what's in it?

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Don't give yourself too much credit
 
2013-05-02 11:11:52 AM  

Cletus C.: So the act was passed without funding mechanisms in place to ensure smooth enactment? How did that happen?


It was passed by the democrats and signed off by 0bama

That is how

Of course now they try the blame the GOP strategy
 
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