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(ESPN)   Texas A&M expanding stadium to hold 102,500 seats, or 82,000 Texas sized people   (espn.go.com) divider line 56
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2013-05-02 07:04:59 AM  
texasscribbler.com
 
2013-05-02 07:23:24 AM  
Feel sorry for them. They're riding the hype with a Heisman winning quarterback who will be gone by the time it's completed. Then they will be like Tennessee, a good school with a huge stadium that won't be consistently filled once they're in the middle of the pack.
 
2013-05-02 07:47:07 AM  
Hahahaha....see that 's funny because Subby is just a bitter UT fan.
 
2013-05-02 07:48:51 AM  
They have to suck in the money somehow. They have the golden goose of Big 12/SEC teams. A Heisman trophy-winning QB they didn't have to spend $400k for.
 
2013-05-02 07:52:04 AM  
$EC
 
2013-05-02 08:06:29 AM  
A&M really is the new hotness in Texas. The balance of power has shifted away from the Longhorns, and I'm not sure the folks in Austin have noticed it yet.
 
2013-05-02 08:12:03 AM  
$450 million for 20,000 seat expansion? Wouldn't that buy a pretty nice new stadium?

That's  $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.
 
2013-05-02 08:19:25 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Hahahaha....see that 's funny because Subby is just a bitter UT fan.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 

Gonz: A&M really is the new hotness in Texas. The balance of power has shifted away from the Longhorns, and I'm not sure the folks in Austin have noticed it yet.



cache.ohinternet.com
 
2013-05-02 08:45:02 AM  
Texas A&M would have destroyed Texas last season. No wonder Texas wants to drop the rivalry.
 
2013-05-02 08:45:18 AM  

Shotgun Justice: Feel sorry for them. They're riding the hype with a Heisman winning quarterback who will be gone by the time it's completed. Then they will be like Tennessee, a good school with a huge stadium that won't be consistently filled once they're in the middle of the pack.


Their stadium is already huge, and it's nearly always full.  I don't think they'll have trouble filling it.
 
2013-05-02 09:14:12 AM  

Explodo: Shotgun Justice: Feel sorry for them. They're riding the hype with a Heisman winning quarterback who will be gone by the time it's completed. Then they will be like Tennessee, a good school with a huge stadium that won't be consistently filled once they're in the middle of the pack.

Their stadium is already huge, and it's nearly always full.  I don't think they'll have trouble filling it.


It's about average for an SEC school stadium.  Compared with some of the Big Ten schools, it would be small.  They won't have the draw that they think they will.  The fact is that the university would make more money off of getting 30000 more people watching on TV and the resulting deal/advertising than spending a fortune to expand the stadium.
 
2013-05-02 09:32:23 AM  
Submitter must have never been to Texas. Prettiest girls in the world are here.

Obesity is primarily rampant among poor people who would have been going hungry years ago but now can use food stamps for their doughnuts and chips.
 
2013-05-02 09:40:22 AM  

Explodo: Shotgun Justice: Feel sorry for them. They're riding the hype with a Heisman winning quarterback who will be gone by the time it's completed. Then they will be like Tennessee, a good school with a huge stadium that won't be consistently filled once they're in the middle of the pack.

Their stadium is already huge, and it's nearly always full.  I don't think they'll have trouble filling it.


Agreed. The school is 50,000 students or so, and there are four major cities within 3 hours of driving distance. It doesn't seem like a terrible idea.
 
2013-05-02 09:47:28 AM  
Disclaimer - I work at Texas A&M and live less than a mile from Kyle Field.

With the move to the SEC and the attention that Manziel has drawn to the school, it's no wonder that we're wanting to upgrade the field.  Yes, we currently can hold around 82,000 people, but just about every game last season was completely sold out before the whole Johnny Heisman thing started happening, so it's no wonder that they'll want to try and get as much out of it as they possibly can.  We'll have at least one more season - 2013 - with Manziel, which if the Aggies do well, will easily push the new stadium into something we 'need' to attract new talent.  My honest belief is that after 2013, if he does well and isn't injured, Manziel'll opt in for the draft and finish his college career like he is now - as a distance student.

I just hope they plan for 100,000 fans descending on the city with more game day parking.  It's already near impossible to get out of my house during Game Day, and don't even think you'll get a cell phone signal when the Aggies are in town for a game.

It's nice to be able to sell the parking spaces at my house for $30 each, though.  ^_^
 
2013-05-02 09:50:56 AM  

ChrisDe: That's $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.


That would be assuming that there is one home game per year.
 
2013-05-02 09:57:31 AM  

seventypercent: ChrisDe: That's $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.

That would be assuming that there is one home game per year.


There are 8 in 2013, including Alabama.
 
2013-05-02 10:01:32 AM  

moothemagiccow: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


This is precisely what I'm talking about. UT believes that it's going to remain absolutely dominant because of birthright or something.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like the Longhorns are going to turn into a raging cesspool of suck or something, but the days of UT just picking the 5-star recruits in the state and having them sign without question are done. A&M is suddenly a much sexier destination.

One school has Johnny Football, and games against Alabama and LSU on ESPN, and Kevin Sumlin running his version of the Mike Leach offense.

The other school has a coach who recruited the last two Heisman trophy winners... to play cornerback. That's all you need to know about the arrogance of Texas- Johnny Manziel and Robert Griffin III weren't good enough, in the eyes of the Longhorns, to play quarterback in Austin.

I'm not a fan of either team, I just happen to see what's painfully obvious.
 
2013-05-02 10:29:43 AM  
If you look at the power balance between Texas and A&M over the last twenty or thirty years, it's been cyclical. In the late 80s and early 90s, A&M dominated the rivalry, just as Texas dominated in the early to mid-aughts. Since I was born (1979), I think A&M has won one more game in the series than Texas. Now, it's obviously not a direct rivalry anymore, but each time has enjoyed time as the "it" team in the state. Right now, A&M has a lot going for it (Manziel, SEC, recent #2 draft pick, etc.), but I imagine Texas will turn it around in a few years, either under Mac or someone else.


Full disclosure: I'm an Aggie, Class of 2002.
 
2013-05-02 10:40:22 AM  
Meh.  UTK will get another donation from the Haslams and add just enough seats to fark A&M out of the record.

/Nothing of significance happens in the UTK athletic department without a nod from Big Jim.
 
2013-05-02 10:43:48 AM  

seventypercent: ChrisDe: That's $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.

That would be assuming that there is one home game per year.


Math/English fail. That should be 225 games, around 30 years or so of home games.
 
2013-05-02 11:23:58 AM  

ChrisDe: seventypercent: ChrisDe: That's $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.

That would be assuming that there is one home game per year.

Math/English fail. That should be 225 games, around 30 years or so of home games.


And $100 is conservative.
 
2013-05-02 12:41:22 PM  

Gonz: moothemagiccow: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is precisely what I'm talking about. UT believes that it's going to remain absolutely dominant because of birthright or something.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like the Longhorns are going to turn into a raging cesspool of suck or something, but the days of UT just picking the 5-star recruits in the state and having them sign without question are done. A&M is suddenly a much sexier destination.

One school has Johnny Football, and games against Alabama and LSU on ESPN, and Kevin Sumlin running his version of the Mike Leach offense.

The other school has a coach who recruited the last two Heisman trophy winners... to play cornerback. That's all you need to know about the arrogance of Texas- Johnny Manziel and Robert Griffin III weren't good enough, in the eyes of the Longhorns, to play quarterback in Austin.

I'm not a fan of either team, I just happen to see what's painfully obvious.


Mack Brown showed his true colors when he benched Applewhite for Simms. Fool.
 
2013-05-02 12:55:03 PM  

tennessee.hillbilly: Meh.  UTK will get another donation from the Haslams and add just enough seats to fark A&M out of the record.

/Nothing of significance happens in the UTK athletic department without a nod from Big Jim.


Unfortunately, he'll be in jail soon, so UTK needs to find someone else.
 
2013-05-02 01:22:30 PM  

Gonz: A&M really is the new hotness in Texas. The balance of power has shifted away from the Longhorns, and I'm not sure the folks in Austin have noticed it yet.


What aggy hotness looks like....


farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-05-02 01:25:19 PM  

Claude the Dog: If you look at the power balance between Texas and A&M over the last twenty or thirty years, it's been cyclical. In the late 80s and early 90s, A&M dominated the rivalry, just as Texas dominated in the early to mid-aughts. Since I was born (1979), I think A&M has won one more game in the series than Texas. Now, it's obviously not a direct rivalry anymore, but each time has enjoyed time as the "it" team in the state. Right now, A&M has a lot going for it (Manziel, SEC, recent #2 draft pick, etc.), but I imagine Texas will turn it around in a few years, either under Mac or someone else.


Full disclosure: I'm an Aggie, Class of 2002.


And we know why, don't we?

www.etsu.edu
 
2013-05-02 01:30:07 PM  
Comparatively speaking the brand new marlins park complete with retractable roof and garish outfield sculpture was 525 mil from the ground up. I'm curious as to what exactly they are getting for the 450?
 
2013-05-02 01:35:00 PM  

baufan2005: Texas A&M would have destroyed Texas last season. No wonder Texas wants to drop the rivalry.


Out of conference schedules are booked years in advance and there are financial ramifications if one team backs out. A&M left knowing full well that it would end their rivalry with Texas. What was really petty of A&M was that they still publicly stated they wanted to play Texas every year even though they knew Texas was contractually bound to play other teams. And, given A&M's penchant for playing cupcakes out of conference (usually including one 1-AA team), I seriously doubt they want to see Texas - or *any* decent non conference foe - any time again soon. And while A&M did post impressive wins against Oklahoma and Alabama last season, keep in mind this was the same team that barely beat Louisiana Tech, Mizzou, and Ole Miss (who Texas destroyed on the road). Truth is, you could never tell with those two teams who had the upper hand going into Thanksgiving.
 
2013-05-02 01:43:34 PM  

Gonz: A&M really is the new hotness in Texas. The balance of power has shifted away from the Longhorns, and I'm not sure the folks in Austin have noticed it yet.


They're still too happy in Austin about crippling the Big 12 in their effort to make it the "Big Texas and a bunch of little submissive biatches" Conference.
 
2013-05-02 02:22:09 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: tennessee.hillbilly: Meh.  UTK will get another donation from the Haslams and add just enough seats to fark A&M out of the record.

/Nothing of significance happens in the UTK athletic department without a nod from Big Jim.

Unfortunately, he'll be in jail soon, so UTK needs to find someone else.


 You're kidding, right?  His little brother's the frickin' governor...

Besides, I was referring to their father as "Big Jim" anyway.
 
2013-05-02 02:37:32 PM  

tennessee.hillbilly: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: tennessee.hillbilly: Meh.  UTK will get another donation from the Haslams and add just enough seats to fark A&M out of the record.

/Nothing of significance happens in the UTK athletic department without a nod from Big Jim.

Unfortunately, he'll be in jail soon, so UTK needs to find someone else.

 You're kidding, right?  His little brother's the frickin' governor...

Besides, I was referring to their father as "Big Jim" anyway.


The Governor himself should be in jail, but fark Tennessee politics.  I'll stay in my little corner in Memphis.
 
2013-05-02 02:49:08 PM  

ChrisDe: $450 million for 20,000 seat expansion? Wouldn't that buy a pretty nice new stadium?

That's  $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.


You forgot to divide by the number of games in a season.....

Figure 8-10, and it's more like 20 years. Also, expansions like that can draw larger bowl games. More money there.

Plus, a larger stadium with more people means you can charge your advertisers more, because the ads are being seen by more eyeballs.
 
2013-05-02 03:02:58 PM  

kidgenius: Also, expansions like that can draw larger bowl games. More money there.


Ain't nobody going to a bowl game in College Station. It's...

Let's just say it's geographically limited, and leave it at that.
 
2013-05-02 03:10:16 PM  

ChrisDe: $450 million for 20,000 seat expansion? Wouldn't that buy a pretty nice new stadium?

That's  $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.


Well, it is A&M, after all.

Maud Dib: Gonz: A&M really is the new hotness in Texas. The balance of power has shifted away from the Longhorns, and I'm not sure the folks in Austin have noticed it yet.

What aggy hotness looks like....


[farm4.static.flickr.com image 500x375]


Wow... Just.... Wow....
 
2013-05-02 03:47:57 PM  

kidgenius: ChrisDe: $450 million for 20,000 seat expansion? Wouldn't that buy a pretty nice new stadium?

That's  $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.

You forgot to divide by the number of games in a season.....

Figure 8-10, and it's more like 20 years. Also, expansions like that can draw larger bowl games. More money there.

Plus, a larger stadium with more people means you can charge your advertisers more, because the ads are being seen by more eyeballs.


The last thing college football needs is more bowl games.
 
2013-05-02 03:50:35 PM  
Aggy needs a bigger arena to let the rest of the country know what a bunch of farking nut-squeezin' morans they are.
I mean, seriously...they're epic retarded.

Nut squeezin'....

i222.photobucket.com


Dead dog scoreboard....

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/9787


Attacking students with a got-damn saber..

2.bp.blogspot.com


List eater..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/12/14/list-eater-on-loose-in-texas /
img13.exs.cx

Backwards B nutjob..

assets.nydailynews.com

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/

They're farking Clownshoes U.
 
2013-05-02 03:51:25 PM  

ChrisDe: $450 million for 20,000 seat expansion? Wouldn't that buy a pretty nice new stadium?

That's  $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.


Naw, they'll just jack up the tuition rates again.
 
2013-05-02 04:02:14 PM  

Maud Dib: Aggy needs a bigger arena to let the rest of the country know what a bunch of farking nut-squeezin' morans they are.
I mean, seriously...they're epic retarded.

Nut squeezin'....

[i222.photobucket.com image 804x599]


Dead dog scoreboard....

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/9787


Attacking students with a got-damn saber..

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x267]


List eater..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/12/14/list-eater-on-loose-in-texas /
[img13.exs.cx image 458x304]

Backwards B nutjob..

[assets.nydailynews.com image 240x194]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/

They're farking Clownshoes U.


Missed one...
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-02 04:07:26 PM  

Maud Dib: Aggy needs a bigger arena to let the rest of the country know what a bunch of farking nut-squeezin' morans they are.
I mean, seriously...they're epic retarded.

Nut squeezin'....

[i222.photobucket.com image 804x599]


Dead dog scoreboard....

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/9787


Attacking students with a got-damn saber..

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x267]


List eater..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/12/14/list-eater-on-loose-in-texas /
[img13.exs.cx image 458x304]

Backwards B nutjob..

[assets.nydailynews.com image 240x194]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/

They're farking Clownshoes U.


I hadn't hear of the list eater before. Clownshoes U, indeed.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-02 04:07:54 PM  
Wife and I went to Tuscaloosa a few months ago for a reunion for my wife's sorority.  Part of it was a tour of Bryant Denny Stadium for the husbands.  I am COMPLETELY biased but that is the most damned impressive building I have ever been in.  Got to go everywhere including locker room. press box etc.
 
2013-05-02 04:08:23 PM  

Maud Dib: Aggy needs a bigger arena to let the rest of the country know what a bunch of farking nut-squeezin' morans they are.
I mean, seriously...they're epic retarded.

Nut squeezin'....

[i222.photobucket.com image 804x599]


Dead dog scoreboard....

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/9787


Attacking students with a got-damn saber..

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x267]


List eater..
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/12/14/list-eater-on-loose-in-texas /
[img13.exs.cx image 458x304]

Backwards B nutjob..

[assets.nydailynews.com image 240x194]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/mccain.sticker/

They're farking Clownshoes U.


Preview fail!

"heard", dammit!
 
2013-05-02 04:34:01 PM  

Maud Dib: Claude the Dog: If you look at the power balance between Texas and A&M over the last twenty or thirty years, it's been cyclical. In the late 80s and early 90s, A&M dominated the rivalry, just as Texas dominated in the early to mid-aughts. Since I was born (1979), I think A&M has won one more game in the series than Texas. Now, it's obviously not a direct rivalry anymore, but each time has enjoyed time as the "it" team in the state. Right now, A&M has a lot going for it (Manziel, SEC, recent #2 draft pick, etc.), but I imagine Texas will turn it around in a few years, either under Mac or someone else.


Full disclosure: I'm an Aggie, Class of 2002.

And we know why, don't we?

[www.etsu.edu image 850x304]


No doubt the Aggies were cheating during those days (had the probation to prove it), but let's be honest. The SWC in those days was about as dirty as it got. As I recall, your Longhorns were on probation at least once during that timeframe as well. Hell, I think everyone but Rice and maybe Arkansas were at least investigated.

And sure, folks at A&M have done some dumb stuff (Listeater was especially hilarious - I mean, really?), but you put 50,000 students together, most of whom are between 18 and 22, and you're bound to get dumb stuff. I daresay the Longhorns have their fair share of idiocy, as well.That being said, since halftime of the '99 football game, I just don't have the same hate for the Longhorns that some other Aggies still harbor.

Also, Vince Young still remains one of the top two or three college players I've ever seen.
 
2013-05-02 04:50:10 PM  
i think the point being missed in some of these comments is that the renovation is not onlyabout more seats.  The entire facility will be overhauled, which by itself is a draw for fans, recruits, etc.

Compare the pricetag to the planned Wrigley renovation-- i believe i saw a pricetag around $500M.

Claude the Dog: That being said, since halftime of the '99 football game, I just don't have the same hate for the Longhorns that some other Aggies still harbor.


Agreed.
 
2013-05-02 05:21:08 PM  

Shotgun Justice: Feel sorry for them. They're riding the hype with a Heisman winning quarterback who will be gone by the time it's completed. Then they will be like Tennessee, a good school with a huge stadium that won't be consistently filled once they're in the middle of the pack.


Please don't lump Tennessee in with a team that isn't even a real SEC school
 
2013-05-02 05:54:35 PM  

Gonz: A&M really is the new hotness in Texas. The balance of power has shifted away from the Longhorns, and I'm not sure the folks in Austin have noticed it yet.


One season is a balance of power.  Okay then.
 
2013-05-02 05:56:41 PM  

mjohnson71: Gonz: A&M really is the new hotness in Texas. The balance of power has shifted away from the Longhorns, and I'm not sure the folks in Austin have noticed it yet.

They're still too happy in Austin about crippling the Big 12 in their effort to make it the "Big Texas and a bunch of little submissive biatches" Conference.


You sound Nebraskan.
 
2013-05-02 06:19:07 PM  

i_got_nuthin: i think the point being missed in some of these comments is that the renovation is not onlyabout more seats.  The entire facility will be overhauled, which by itself is a draw for fans, recruits, etc.


Oh, let me guess!!!!

They're going to add more conference and national championships to their wall during the rennovation?

img.gawkerassets.com

I heard those letters & numbers used on the wall were expensive, but $450 million? Sheesh!
 
2013-05-02 08:41:53 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: [texasscribbler.com image 600x450]


I laugh out loud every time I see this picture.

4NTLRZ: i_got_nuthin: i think the point being missed in some of these comments is that the renovation is not onlyabout more seats.  The entire facility will be overhauled, which by itself is a draw for fans, recruits, etc.

Oh, let me guess!!!!

They're going to add more conference and national championships to their wall during the rennovation?

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x361]

I heard those letters & numbers used on the wall were expensive, but $450 million? Sheeshia


this was ridiculous.

Anyway, A&M has been planning to renovate the stadium for quite a while now.  This isn't SOLELY because of Johnny Football.  Obviously he helped things move along, but I've been hearing about this every year since I started school.  Fine... not so much during Fran's last season.  Also, quit stereotyping the entire student population because there are a bunch of morons in the Corps.

/Aggie '12
 
2013-05-02 11:01:33 PM  

ChrisDe: $450 million for 20,000 seat expansion? Wouldn't that buy a pretty nice new stadium?

That's  $22,500 per seat. If they make $100 per game off that seat, it takes them 225 years to recoup the cost.


They're getting a tax subsidy. Anyone who stays in a hotel near Texas A&M will have an additional charge added to their bill to help pay for the stadium. This is quite common across the country, though usually for pro sports rather than college. The new Atlanta Falcons stadium is going to get somewhere between 600 and 900 million dollars* in subsidies from hotel taxes. The usual Tea Party crowd has kept quiet because it's football, which apparently is a good use of public money in their minds. Plus since it is a tax on hotel stays, the usual "well, I don't have to pay it so I don't care" hypocrisy comes into play. Don't expect there to be any resistance in football crazy Texas from the Tea Party crowd there either.

There are intangibles too. A person who sits in one of those seats and feels a stronger connection to the university because of it, is more likely to buy logo merchandise. They're more likely to donate money and they're more likely to give positive word of mouth to the university. This grows the fan base and makes the student body more competitive. The dollar return on these side effects are hard to quantify.

*Yes, I know the Falcons say it's only 200 million. That's the amount they're getting for initial construction. Their contract states the overage from the tax will go into an account for future improvements, upkeep on the stadium (and surroundings), and day to day operations. Over the life of the tax, the amount raised will be somewhere between 600 million (if there in no inflation, no new hotel rooms, occupancy rates don't improve, and room rates stay the same) and 900 million (average historic growth in those categories) or more if there is above average growth.
 
2013-05-02 11:11:37 PM  
First of all, submeister, I see your fat joke & raise you one "our food is farking delicious so that makes it totally worth it." Anyone who says that nothing tastes as good as skinny feels can kindly fark off because guess what? Burritos. You get two little Mexican grandmothers selling burritos the size of your arm out of a tiny shack in the middle of the desert and it's basically heaven and fark your diet forever.

Second of all, anyone who thinks A&M can't fill a 100,000 seat stadium has never been to a game at Kyle Field. They are insane. They have more maroon cars per capita than anywhere else in the world. The entire school attends Friday night cheer practice. And they'll admit anyone so as you can guess, their alumni base is pretty massive. They will spend any amount of money & fill any sized stadium. They literally have nothing else to live for.
 
2013-05-03 12:07:45 AM  

logggur: veedeevadeevoodee: [texasscribbler.com image 600x450]

I laugh out loud every time I see this picture.

4NTLRZ: i_got_nuthin: i think the point being missed in some of these comments is that the renovation is not onlyabout more seats.  The entire facility will be overhauled, which by itself is a draw for fans, recruits, etc.

Oh, let me guess!!!!

They're going to add more conference and national championships to their wall during the rennovation?

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x361]

I heard those letters & numbers used on the wall were expensive, but $450 million? Sheeshia

this was ridiculous.

Anyway, A&M has been planning to renovate the stadium for quite a while now.  This isn't SOLELY because of Johnny Football.  Obviously he helped things move along, but I've been hearing about this every year since I started school.  Fine... not so much during Fran's last season.  Also, quit stereotyping the entire student population because there are a bunch of morons in the Corps.

/Aggie '12


What was ridiculous, exactly? Honest question.

/has no dog in the hunt
 
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