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2013-05-02 11:24:48 AM
The drink fee is part of the airline's move to become an "ultra low cost carrier," according to a Frontier press release.

The airline also will start charging many customers who book their tickets through third-party sites a $25 to $100 fee for carry-on bags, excluding certain members of its frequent flier program.


Yeah, you can count me among the people who will never fly with Frontier at any point in the future.

/hadn't even heard of them until a few minutes ago
 
2013-05-02 11:28:18 AM
Why is paying for a drink a big deal?  I've been doing that on budget airlines in Europe for years, and do recall US Airways used to do the same years ago.

The carryon bag fee is ridiculous though of course, even shiatty Ryanair doesn't do that- in Europe you're only allowed to carry on one bag though, not "one bag and a personal item" which means bag and backpack.
 
2013-05-02 11:38:46 AM
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"Doesn't affect me a bit."

 
2013-05-02 11:39:12 AM
Bear Grylls Airways?
 
2013-05-02 11:39:26 AM
The carryon bag fee they reference is only if you book through a third party like Expedia or Orbitz. Just go directly to the airline's site to book and there's no fee.
 
2013-05-02 11:43:39 AM

tgramuh: The carryon bag fee they reference is only if you book through a third party like Expedia or Orbitz. Just go directly to the airline's site to book and there's no fee.


Yea, I don't have a problem with this. They're just trying to recoup some of the money they have to pay 3rd party booking sites. Booking via Frontier is typically the same price anyway, at least in my limited experience.

It says right there that  "Customers who book at the airline website will still qualify for free carry-on bags on all tickets."
 
2013-05-02 11:44:50 AM
The goal of the carry-on fee is to get more people to check their bags, said airline spokeswoman Kate O'Malley.

Wasn't the point of the checked bag fee supposedly to get more people to carry on? You'll have to forgive me if I believe the goal of your fees is actually to make more money.
 
kab
2013-05-02 11:49:02 AM
Charge all you like for whatever you like, I'll be happily driving to my destination unless there's an ocean in the way, or work is footing the bill.
 
2013-05-02 11:49:26 AM
As someone who just flew Frontier, count me out.  They had a nice plane and decent service, but charging for a carry-on and a soda?  fark you. Go out of business, do not pass go, do not collect $200. They already charge an arm and a leg for checked baggage.  It's time to bring in the feds, this is beyond ridiculous.  The next thing you know they're going to start charging for oxygen.
 
2013-05-02 11:52:06 AM
If you want to become an ULCC then you should have a crayon fee if you want to bring bags onto the plane. Frontier is just following the same path Spirit is doing and some people just want to travel that way.
 
2013-05-02 11:55:39 AM
This is an outrage!  Flying is only cheaper than it's ever been!
 
2013-05-02 12:00:22 PM

Funk Brothers: If you want to become an ULCC then you should have a crayon fee if you want to bring bags onto the plane. Frontier is just following the same path Spirit is doing and some people just want to travel that way.


That's it, the kids aren't coming next time!
 
2013-05-02 12:02:20 PM
THE CARRY-ON BAG FEE ONLY APPLIES IF YOU BOOK THROUGH A 3RD PARTY SITE LIKE ORBITZ OR EXPEDIA. AND YOU'RE PROBABLY FAT, SO YOU DON'T NEED A SODA. DRINK WATER.

I swear, I'm reasonably certain half the people here subsist on paste and old crayons.
 
2013-05-02 12:02:37 PM

Dafatone: This is an outrage!  Flying is only cheaper than it's ever been!


That's the point. Everyone's turning included services into fees so they can drop their prices, because that's the one factor people choose when booking a flight, thanks to the rise of expedia et al.
 
2013-05-02 12:04:29 PM

Andromeda: Why is paying for a drink a big deal?  I've been doing that on budget airlines in Europe for years, and do recall US Airways used to do the same years ago.

The carryon bag fee is ridiculous though of course, even shiatty Ryanair doesn't do that- in Europe you're only allowed to carry on one bag though, not "one bag and a personal item" which means bag and backpack.


I kinda feel the same way. I forget what EasyJet charges but I wouldn't pay 2 bucks for a CAN of soda or crappy airline coffee, but than again I rarely drink soda. If I want a soda that badly I'll buy one in the airport before, wait until after.To me it kinda like switching Heinz ketchup for Catsup, you have got serious financial problems. I have never flown them anyway and never plan too. Their prices are not that much cheaper than everybody else who flies to Denver out of Phoenix and I am probably part of the minority that don't always buy the "cheapest ticket". I also never use those third party sites for airline tickets.

Bottom line, they are a business so let them do they please, as a consumer we have the power not to use them. Flier Beware.
 
2013-05-02 12:07:50 PM

moothemagiccow: Dafatone: This is an outrage!  Flying is only cheaper than it's ever been!

That's the point. Everyone's turning included services into fees so they can drop their prices, because that's the one factor people choose when booking a flight, thanks to the rise of expedia et al.


Are there any price comparison sites that include additional service fees in the displayed price?  I need to enter the number of travellers; why not ask me to enter the number of bags?
 
2013-05-02 12:07:57 PM
Gaumond: I am probably part of the minority that don't Doesn't always buy the "cheapest ticket". I also never use those third party sites for airline tickets.

FTFM
 
2013-05-02 12:11:43 PM

moothemagiccow: Dafatone: This is an outrage!  Flying is only cheaper than it's ever been!

That's the point. Everyone's turning included services into fees so they can drop their prices, because that's the one factor people choose when booking a flight, thanks to the rise of expedia et al.


Don't forget that ancillary fee revenue is not subject to the 7.5% FAA tax (you know, the one that keeps the runways and navigational aids, and air traffic control up and running). Unbundling has saved the airlines (and people buying tickets) a lot of taxes.

As far as Expedia, Orbitz, etc go, I use them a lot to find the itinerary I want, and then I go to the airline's website to actually book it since it is usually the same price there...the third party sites are great for comparing prices and schedules across airlines, but you seem to get better service from the airline if you've booked directly with them if you should need to make a change or something goes tango uniform with your original flight.


/Frontier did get me the hell out of Missouri last summer when I needed to get back home on short notice
//About $500 less than anybody else 3 days out
 
2013-05-02 12:42:18 PM
They're going to be serving Bud Light for free? That's amazing.
 
2013-05-02 01:04:19 PM

moothemagiccow: Dafatone: This is an outrage!  Flying is only cheaper than it's ever been!


My outrage comes not from them wanting to charge for soda but that it's a monopoly.  You don't have the option to bring a soda with you from home for your flight (stupid TSA rules).  So you either pay $3.00 once you're past security or $2.00 in the air.  It's a racket.
 
2013-05-02 01:05:19 PM
Goddamnit, Frontier, you used to be cool.
 
2013-05-02 01:11:08 PM

aedude01: moothemagiccow: Dafatone: This is an outrage!  Flying is only cheaper than it's ever been!

My outrage comes not from them wanting to charge for soda but that it's a monopoly.  You don't have the option to bring a soda with you from home for your flight (stupid TSA rules).  So you either pay $3.00 once you're past security or $2.00 in the air.  It's a racket.


Okay, so the airlines are racketing you out of 2 or 3 bucks if you want a soda.  Meanwhile, flying's hundreds of dollars cheaper than it once was and much more convenient in terms of how often flights fly.  I'll take it.
 
2013-05-02 01:15:34 PM
Hey! Remember the great business success that was People's Express? They charged for sodas too.
 
2013-05-02 01:51:43 PM

Gaumond: I kinda feel the same way. I forget what EasyJet charges but I wouldn't pay 2 bucks for a CAN of soda or crappy airline coffee, but than again I rarely drink soda. If I want a soda that badly I'll buy one in the airport before, wait until after.


EXACTLY.  Flew Easyjet from Paris to Venice last year during my Euro vacation and they charge for EVERYTHING.  2 euros for a soda, seats don't recline, and they have a very irritating system of making you get out of the line, go to some counter to pay for a bag, and then come back in line.  LIkely the last time I'll fly them.

Frontier is beginning their death spiral.  Amazing how all these airlines MUST charge for everything and they cry they don't make money, yet Southwest (although no longer the cheapest option but...) gives you free drinks, 2 free bags, and basically hassle free experience.

I like Virgin America, though.  Even though they are a little more expensive and you pay for bags, their inflight amenities trash Spirit and Frontier.

Goodbye, Frontier.  Perhaps you should have bought 737s instead of your Airbus fleet...perhaps you'd be a bit cheaper and would not have to resort to nickle-and--diming your customers.
 
2013-05-02 02:59:37 PM
Frontier lost me as a customer when they stopped handing out free fresh cookies on flights.
 
2013-05-02 03:46:20 PM

VTGremlin: THE CARRY-ON BAG FEE ONLY APPLIES IF YOU BOOK THROUGH A 3RD PARTY SITE LIKE ORBITZ OR EXPEDIA. AND YOU'RE PROBABLY FAT, SO YOU DON'T NEED A SODA. DRINK WATER.

I swear, I'm reasonably certain half the people here subsist on paste and old crayons.


You forgot to mention THE CARRY-ON BAG FEE HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET.
 
2013-05-02 03:53:09 PM
My problem with Frontier is that it isn't actually a cheap airline. Their average ticket prices might be less than other airlines' averages but their cheapest tickets are no cheaper than anybody else.

If you had to travel on a specific day then Frontier is ok price wise, but if you have any flexibility it's better to go with someone else.
 
2013-05-02 04:03:28 PM

BarkingUnicorn: You forgot to mention THE CARRY-ON BAG FEE HASN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET.


=D I know, I know. Screaming on the internet is absurd. But it was posted twice above that, and it was in the article, and people are still losing their shiat and Frontier is the devil and I'll never fly with them again and omg omg. When in reality, this will only affect the people too lazy to search on one site and book on another. Someone else does it right too. Search on Kayak, Expedia, etc, and then if Frontier is the lowest price for your flight dates, go to Frontier and book it. The price will be the same, and there's no additional baggage fee. Easy peasy. You'll still have to fork up $2 for the soda though, so I guess the sky must be falling.

To The Escape Zeppelin!: My problem with Frontier is that it isn't actually a cheap airline. Their average ticket prices might be less than other airlines' averages but their cheapest tickets are no cheaper than anybody else.

If you had to travel on a specific day then Frontier is ok price wise, but if you have any flexibility it's better to go with someone else.


That probably depends on where you live. Flying out of DIA, Frontier is the cheapest 50% of the time, at least for the places I go. I fly Southwest first because their great flight change policy is worth the extra $10 to me, Frontier second, and the shiatty "U" airlines 3rd.
 
2013-05-02 07:13:26 PM
Charlie checked his bags in Austin, flew to New York City,
And connected for Bangor, Maine.
When he got there the attendant told him "ninety more dollars" --
Charlie couldn't get off that plane!

But did he ever return, no, he never returned
And his fate is still unlearned.
He may fly forever in the skies of America,
He's the man who never returned.
 
2013-05-02 09:54:14 PM
Take an empty Nalgene bottle through security.  Fill it up from a fountain.  Fixed.
 
2013-05-02 10:10:52 PM

Mi-5: Gaumond: I kinda feel the same way. I forget what EasyJet charges but I wouldn't pay 2 bucks for a CAN of soda or crappy airline coffee, but than again I rarely drink soda. If I want a soda that badly I'll buy one in the airport before, wait until after.

EXACTLY.  Flew Easyjet from Paris to Venice last year during my Euro vacation and they charge for EVERYTHING.  2 euros for a soda, seats don't recline, and they have a very irritating system of making you get out of the line, go to some counter to pay for a bag, and then come back in line.  LIkely the last time I'll fly them.

Frontier is beginning their death spiral.  Amazing how all these airlines MUST charge for everything and they cry they don't make money, yet Southwest (although no longer the cheapest option but...) gives you free drinks, 2 free bags, and basically hassle free experience.

I like Virgin America, though.  Even though they are a little more expensive and you pay for bags, their inflight amenities trash Spirit and Frontier.

Goodbye, Frontier.  Perhaps you should have bought 737s instead of your Airbus fleet...perhaps you'd be a bit cheaper and would not have to resort to nickle-and--diming your customers.


JetBlue is Airbus and charges just a tad more then Southwest and gives pretty much a great flight with free music/tv, drinks, snack, and 1 free checkin and free carry-ons.
 
2013-05-03 12:11:32 AM
How much then, for the stewardess's urine?
 
2013-05-03 01:32:04 AM
Am I the only one who gets dehydrated as all get out on flights?  I usually fill an empty water bottle I take with at the drinking fountain.  Then I get apple juice because they usually give you the full can and it has a lot of water.  So dry.  So very dry.
 
2013-05-03 02:00:51 AM
Surprisingly it is a monopoly, but what's the harm in paying a few dollars for a cold drink when you're 5 miles above ground?
 
2013-05-03 03:56:13 AM
I'm always paying for booze, so that part doesn't bother me.

The fee for the carry-on, does.
 
2013-05-03 05:41:51 AM
So they are charging more fees to be an ultra low cost carrier?

Low costs do not work that way.

What they are trying to be is the lowest quoted rate on Orbitz searches.
 
2013-05-03 05:44:31 AM
Bottom line, the idiocy will continue until the booking sites inclued fees and taxes in their quotes, which would not be hard to do.
 
2013-05-03 06:34:19 AM
It was only a matter of time before the free inflight beverage service went away. I used to be a road warrior (200K miles a year on average) and I always felt sorry for the poor flight attendants who have to wrestle that stupid cart up and down the aisles. Then again, I only saw that on the short flights, since I was otherwise up in first class where all the booze is free and all the drinks are brought to you personally by the hottest of the hotties.

Still never got to bang any of them, but...
 
2013-05-03 06:47:41 AM

Macular Degenerate: It was only a matter of time before the free inflight beverage service went away. I used to be a road warrior (200K miles a year on average) and I always felt sorry for the poor flight attendants who have to wrestle that stupid cart up and down the aisles. Then again, I only saw that on the short flights, since I was otherwise up in first class where all the booze is free and all the drinks are brought to you personally by the hottest of the hotties.

Still never got to bang any of them, but...


Yeah, the FA serving my aisle on my next-to-last flight had a band-aid on one of her fingers from a cart attacking it.  Of course, while you might be stuck in the back on the short flights, it's the long ones that are worked by the FAs with enough seniority to hold onto them on their schedules - you know, the ones who've been working for the airline as long as you've been alive.  Short flights, regionals, and foreign airlines with dodgy histories, on the other hand, are full of the fresh-out-of-FA-school, no-seniority-to-speak-of, barely-legal hotties.

/none of which I've ever done any more than chat with, of course...
 
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