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2013-05-01 11:54:30 PM  
I'm totally trustworthy and I'm over 30.
 
2013-05-01 11:59:48 PM  
newsflash tag mia?
 
2013-05-02 12:03:40 AM  
"Your SS money is safe with us," said the over-30 Wall Street banker.
 
2013-05-02 12:21:50 AM  
Don't be untrustworthy.
 
2013-05-02 12:46:33 AM  
I'm surprised the supreme court scored as high as it did.
 
2013-05-02 01:29:40 AM  
While I'm slighly older than 30, I'd add police to that list.  I know, not quite the same as the others.  But still...
 
2013-05-02 01:39:24 AM  
Amazing how a couple generations of no draft has re-habbed the military's trust by those of draft age. Wouldn't have scored as well in '70.
 
2013-05-02 01:43:32 AM  
And this is different from any generation in history ever how?
 
2013-05-02 01:52:16 AM  

log_jammin: I'm surprised the supreme court scored as high as it did.


Yeah, it makes them look gullible.
 
2013-05-02 01:54:52 AM  

raerae1980: While I'm slighly older than 30, I'd add police to that list.  I know, not quite the same as the others.  But still...


Policeman. Lawyers. Politicians. Bankers.Used car salesman.

Dont ever trust those people
 
2013-05-02 01:55:21 AM  

Triumph: Amazing how a couple generations of no draft has re-habbed the military's trust by those of draft age. Wouldn't have scored as well in '70.


those draftees were the ones who made it as bad as it was. well not totally, but a good sized part of the reason.
 
2013-05-02 01:55:42 AM  
There's some quality world salad in the comments:

Angel#77

I am the daughter of God. But, if you still have doubts that's ok. My name is MariJuana. Marie Jeanne in English, I am a Jinn. But, I never hurt anyone in my life. I miss my friend Fariborg Azad. He was very nice. I especially miss my older brother Bruce Springstein. I am not Jewish, My great Grandparents came to America in The 1930's. They denounced Hitler. My Father to this day is afraid to let anyone know he is German. My Mom is a beautiful Irish women. My Fathers' name is George and My Mothers name is Elizabeth, she was born in Elizabeth, N.J. Chris Kristie is a nice man. I come from a large family. I am the middle child.Stuck in the middle with you.Bruce Springstein is 10 years and 1 day older than me. Keep on rocking in a free world. Peace Out. Your friend always Jeane. Oh, yeah I also like Paul McCartney, and the man who taught me how to sing, Neil Young.

#2.2 - Thu May 2, 2013 12:28 AM EDT


I would love to know where she gets her bath salts.
 
2013-05-02 01:56:15 AM  

raerae1980: While I'm slighly older than 30, I'd add police to that list.  I know, not quite the same as the others.  But still...


I'd say that's covered by "local government."
 
2013-05-02 01:57:13 AM  
On the flip side, nobody over 30 trusts people under 30 to vote.
 
2013-05-02 01:57:26 AM  
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one solution
 
2013-05-02 02:01:10 AM  
I'm about to turn 30, so obviously I trust no one at the moment.
 
2013-05-02 02:04:08 AM  
I find it very worrisome that the military scores so high.
 
2013-05-02 02:04:50 AM  
But do they believe in themselves? Do they believe in the healing power of crystals? What about ancient astronauts?
 
2013-05-02 02:04:50 AM  
I am 36 drunk and listening to ElizabethCook and Steve Earle. I don't trust me either. I wanna Penis Miss Cook though.
 
2013-05-02 02:06:01 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: I find it very worrisome that the military scores so high.

Most people know someone in the Military and trust them.
 
2013-05-02 02:06:41 AM  
I think 40 is a better cut off, honestly. People in their 30s aren't making the world shaking, economy crushing decisions, even if they are on a career path to do so eventually.(barring a few specific examples that prove the rule, like facebook).

I realize it sucks to be entering the workforce as an adult for the first time and looking at the shiatty barren wasteland of job prospects in the last few years. But take heart, this is at least happening at the start of your careers, where a few years of farking up, or struggling for work isn't likely to fark you over long term. Us guys in our 30s were working our careers for a decade when the Bush bubble burst. I've personally been (extremely)lucky to stay working in my field steadily through the great recession(although I've moved on to a different thing), but a lot, and I mean, a shiatload of people got shafted right at the part of their career when they should have been moving from rank and file to prospective leadership. Plop.

My point? None, I guess, except maybe we can all join together and denigrate the real cause of all the problems, the Boomers. fark them.
 
2013-05-02 02:07:21 AM  

gadian: And this is different from any generation in history ever how?


Well, if history began in the 1950s....

Marketers have gotten especially aggressive with kids and teens since then. They've peeled kids and teens off into their own demographic with specialized programming and advertisements that all reinforce the idea that adults want nothing more than to hurt them and deprive them of entitlements.

"Hey kids, your mom hates you unless she buys you this brand of (product)! Go whine to her today! Demand it! Pick on kids who don't have it so they can feel abused by their parents, too! And remember, even if your parents *do* buy you the right product, they still don't 'get it', so never be happy with them, and keep watching us on TV and social media!"
 
2013-05-02 02:07:58 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: I find it very worrisome that the military scores so high.


why?
 
2013-05-02 02:09:13 AM  
neongoats:

My point? None, I guess, except maybe we can all join together and denigrate the real cause of all the problems, the Boomers capitalists. fark them.

When the Boomers die off, the next generation of thieves and bastards will take their place. They always have.
 
2013-05-02 02:10:38 AM  

log_jammin: A Dark Evil Omen: I find it very worrisome that the military scores so high.

why?


Why should anyone trust the military? At best, one should be cautious. A giant organization that exists for the express purpose of killing people for the state should be regarded with skepticism at best.
 
2013-05-02 02:12:20 AM  
Odd question to ask of the military. They're not supposed to do the right thing. They're supposed to do as they're told.

Now, if we were asking Turkish or Thai voters, this would be an entirely different story.
 
2013-05-02 02:13:01 AM  

Foxxinnia: But do they believe in themselves?


Only if they believe in Crystal Light.

/Every time I think of that jingle, I see Joe Don Baker smooching Linda Evans. Gag.
 
2013-05-02 02:15:14 AM  

globalwarmingpraiser: A Dark Evil Omen: I find it very worrisome that the military scores so high.
Most people know someone in the Military and trust them.


Most of the people I know in the military don't really trust it all that much. Institutions take on their own character. You can fill them with decent people, but the structures involved can still produce incredibly shiatty results. And unfortunately, even with good, well intentioned people involved, even if they realize the problem it's usually a biatch to fix.

Yeah- seeing the military that high up is really quite disturbing. In terms of that list, I do trust this President. And that's about it, really. State and Local Government? I live in DC. Dear God, no, I don't trust the DC Council. Or Metro. Or other institutions running this town, like Congress. I learned recently that the reason parking is such a nightmare in DC is because there is an act of Congress specifically prohibiting the District from building municipal parking decks. Want to make it easy for people to access businesses in areas that are hard to get to via public transit? Want to encourage economic development? Want to make it possible to businesses to locate offices in less affluent areas where there's only street parking, but that aren't clogged by tourists? No can has.

Yes, farking Congress.
 
2013-05-02 02:19:45 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Why should anyone trust the military? At best, one should be cautious.

A Dark Evil Omen: with skepticism at best.



cautious about what? skeptical about what? this isn't about a specific incident. The question was if people trusted them to "do the right thing". about half the people said all or most of the time.  I don't see how that is in anyway "troubling". especially when you consider that most people join for a few years so they can learn a trade or get some college money, not for the "express purpose of killing people for the state".
 
2013-05-02 02:20:20 AM  
As someone who is in between those two age groups, I say neither group should be trusted.
 
2013-05-02 02:22:36 AM  

cptjeff: globalwarmingpraiser: A Dark Evil Omen: I find it very worrisome that the military scores so high.
Most people know someone in the Military and trust them.

Most of the people I know in the military don't really trust it all that much. Institutions take on their own character. You can fill them with decent people, but the structures involved can still produce incredibly shiatty results. And unfortunately, even with good, well intentioned people involved, even if they realize the problem it's usually a biatch to fix.

Yeah- seeing the military that high up is really quite disturbing. In terms of that list, I do trust this President. And that's about it, really. State and Local Government? I live in DC. Dear God, no, I don't trust the DC Council. Or Metro. Or other institutions running this town, like Congress. I learned recently that the reason parking is such a nightmare in DC is because there is an act of Congress specifically prohibiting the District from building municipal parking decks. Want to make it easy for people to access businesses in areas that are hard to get to via public transit? Want to encourage economic development? Want to make it possible to businesses to locate offices in less affluent areas where there's only street parking, but that aren't clogged by tourists? No can has.

Yes, farking Congress.


Like I said. drunk. Listening to Elizabeth Cook. Ummm I am not to be trusted.
 
2013-05-02 02:24:09 AM  
There are at most 10 congressmen whom I trust to even make a consistent effort at doing the right thing, as opposed to whatever brings them the most lobbying $.

My own congressman is part of the other 525, unfortunately :(
 
2013-05-02 02:24:46 AM  
Only Sith deal in absolutes...or we could do some Carousel direction
 
2013-05-02 02:27:33 AM  

log_jammin: A Dark Evil Omen: Why should anyone trust the military? At best, one should be cautious.
A Dark Evil Omen: with skepticism at best.


cautious about what? skeptical about what? this isn't about a specific incident. The question was if people trusted them to "do the right thing". about half the people said all or most of the time.  I don't see how that is in anyway "troubling". especially when you consider that most people join for a few years so they can learn a trade or get some college money, not for the "express purpose of killing people for the state".


Skeptical about their existence. Skeptical about the institution. Why should you trust the military to "do the right thing"? I expect the military to follow whatever orders they receive, no matter how heinous and reprehensible. Was Iraq "the right thing"? No, obviously not.

And it doesn't matter why people join; their training and job is, in fact, to kill people for the state, and that is what they do.
 
2013-05-02 02:30:07 AM  
I don't know how you get that people under 30 don't trust people over 30 when the Supreme is stocked full of old farts.

/not saying that's a bad thing, but definitely blows the headline out of the water
 
2013-05-02 02:33:52 AM  

gadian: And this is different from any generation in history ever how?


Ironic, since last Nov. that age group proved they are too stupid to vote for a president.  Romney was no rocket scientist but a parking block would make a better president than B. Hussein Obama.
 
2013-05-02 02:35:50 AM  
I happen to be 30, and I just don't trust boomers.
 
2013-05-02 02:39:44 AM  
Blame the boomers.
Blame the younger generation.
Blame the democrats
Blame the republicans
Blame Obama.
Blame Bush.
Blame the black people
Blame white people.
Blame Mexicans.
ect...ect...ect...

As always, the people in power work constantly to drive a wedge between the different groups while they rape us.  Keep on fighting.  That's the way they like it.
 
2013-05-02 02:39:53 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Was Iraq "the right thing"? No, obviously not.


No it was not. which is why I don't trust congress to do the right thing. The military doesn't just decide to go bomb people. civilians tell them to go do it.

Being angry at the military about the Iraq war is like being angry at the bullet who shot someone instead of the guy who pulled the trigger.


A Dark Evil Omen: their training and job is, in fact, to kill people for the state, and that is what they do.


a very very small number of people in the military has a job where they "kill people for the state".

Perhaps your skepticism and fear is based on ignorance.
 
2013-05-02 02:41:32 AM  
I trust my friends Joe and Doug.  I don't know Media enough (seems too broad of a category).  I mostly trust the Supreme Court, though they've had some senior moments in recent years.  Everybody else is too dodgy to be categorized as trustworthy or not - seems like they could go any way at any time.

But Joe and Doug, they're awesome.
 
2013-05-02 02:42:57 AM  

armoredbulldozer: gadian: And this is different from any generation in history ever how?

Ironic, since last Nov. that age group proved they are too stupid to vote for a president.  Romney was no rocket scientist but a parking block would make a better president than B. Hussein Obama.


And, he was the best the GOP had to offer and he lost. 
*blink*
 
2013-05-02 02:43:25 AM  
Trust but verif- I mean go fark yourself.
 
2013-05-02 02:43:55 AM  
as long as they keep sucking my dick, i don't really care if they trust me...
 
2013-05-02 02:44:54 AM  

log_jammin: A Dark Evil Omen: Was Iraq "the right thing"? No, obviously not.

No it was not. which is why I don't trust congress to do the right thing. The military doesn't just decide to go bomb people. civilians tell them to go do it.

Being angry at the military about the Iraq war is like being angry at the bullet who shot someone instead of the guy who pulled the trigger.


Did I say I was angry at the military? I said it's ridiculous to trust the military. I don't trust a bullet, either. I expect it to come out of the barrel and injure or kill whatever it's shot at.

A Dark Evil Omen: their training and job is, in fact, to kill people for the state, and that is what they do.

a very very small number of people in the military has a job where they "kill people for the state".

Perhaps your skepticism and fear is based on ignorance.


So you're suggesting that all of the people in the military who work as support are there for some other purpose than to support and enable the people that actually do the shooting? What exactly do they do, farking macrame? You can't honestly tell me that you believe the military has some other purpose than military action. Certainly, they are sent to do other things, sometimes, but those other things are not the military's primary purpose. Apparently, your lack of skepticism is based on rose-colored glasses.
 
2013-05-02 02:48:17 AM  

log_jammin: A Dark Evil Omen: Why should anyone trust the military? At best, one should be cautious.
A Dark Evil Omen: with skepticism at best.


cautious about what? skeptical about what? this isn't about a specific incident. The question was if people trusted them to "do the right thing". about half the people said all or most of the time.  I don't see how that is in anyway "troubling". especially when you consider that most people join for a few years so they can learn a trade or get some college money, not for the "express purpose of killing people for the state".


How about their handling of sexual assaults?

Air Force general's reversal of pilot's conviction for sexual assault angers lawmakers

And this isn't an isolated incident. Is that the right thing to do?

See also: pissing on corpses, collecting body parts as souvenirs, torture, etc.
 
2013-05-02 02:49:46 AM  

fusillade762: log_jammin: A Dark Evil Omen: Why should anyone trust the military? At best, one should be cautious.
A Dark Evil Omen: with skepticism at best.


cautious about what? skeptical about what? this isn't about a specific incident. The question was if people trusted them to "do the right thing". about half the people said all or most of the time.  I don't see how that is in anyway "troubling". especially when you consider that most people join for a few years so they can learn a trade or get some college money, not for the "express purpose of killing people for the state".

How about their handling of sexual assaults?

Air Force general's reversal of pilot's conviction for sexual assault angers lawmakers

And this isn't an isolated incident. Is that the right thing to do?

See also: pissing on corpses, collecting body parts as souvenirs, torture, etc.


Yes, I didn't even want to go into the overtly reprehensible things the American military is institutionally guilty of, since it's basically icing on the basic sense cake.
 
2013-05-02 02:59:13 AM  
When I was under 30 people told me not to trust anyone over 30. I was a sucker and I did not believe them. I thought, "how can I not trust my parents. That's silly."

Now that I am well over 30 I have one piece of advice for anyone under 30: do not trust anyone over 30. You probably wont believe me. I know, I've been there. Or you are going to come back and say there have got to be people over 30 who one can trust. Well, yes there are. You can trust me. But I'll tell you the truth. It isn't worth your time trying to figure out which ones of us over 30 are worthy of that trust. Do not trust any of us, that includes your parents; it is simpler and saner that way.

Let me tell you why you should not trust anyone over 30. You never know what you have got until it is gone and the most awesome thing a person can ever lose is their youth. And the number one reason that people over 30 are not trustworthy is because we will say anything, do anything, and exploit you in every way possible in a desperate attempt to do the impossible and get our youth back. We become those lying liars who lie about our lying. It is sick, it is irrational, and it is truth.

/honestly today it really should be 40 and not 30 but the principal remains.
 
2013-05-02 02:59:19 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Did I say I was angry at the military?


you didn't say it no. just your tone.

A Dark Evil Omen: I said it's ridiculous to trust the military.


and gave the iraq war as a reason, like they had a choice, which is just silly.

A Dark Evil Omen: So you're suggesting that all of the people in the military who work as support are there for some other purpose than to support and enable the people that actually do the shooting?


I'm suggesting that for the people in support rolls, their training and job is NOT, in fact, to kill people for the state.

A Dark Evil Omen: What exactly do they do, farking macrame?


cook. type. file paperwork. watch radar screens. paint. I don't think macrame is on the list though.

A Dark Evil Omen: You can't honestly tell me that you believe the military has some other purpose than military action. Certainly, they are sent to do other things, sometimes, but those other things are not the military's primary purpose.


I never said anything remotely like that.
 
2013-05-02 03:01:35 AM  

fusillade762: How about their handling of sexual assaults?

Air Force general's reversal of pilot's conviction for sexual assault angers lawmakers

And this isn't an isolated incident. Is that the right thing to do?

See also: pissing on corpses, collecting body parts as souvenirs, torture, etc.


I never made the claim that the military has never, or will never again, commit atrocities, stone wall an investigation or or commit a cover up.
 
2013-05-02 03:03:00 AM  

log_jammin: A Dark Evil Omen: I said it's ridiculous to trust the military.

and gave the iraq war as a reason, like they had a choice, which is just silly.


And you countered with a strained bullet analogy that just supported my point.

A Dark Evil Omen: So you're suggesting that all of the people in the military who work as support are there for some other purpose than to support and enable the people that actually do the shooting?

I'm suggesting that for the people in support rolls, their training and job is NOT, in fact, to kill people for the state.


No, just to enable the primary mission of the military, to wit, killing people for the state.
 
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