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2013-05-01 08:14:45 PM
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2013-05-01 08:16:51 PM

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It's happening...


We're done in one.

Maybe not -

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2013-05-01 08:17:25 PM
For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose. People are getting fatter because they stuff their gobs with more sugary shiat than before and then sitting around watching TV for hours.
 
2013-05-01 08:22:25 PM

RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose. People are getting fatter because they stuff their gobs with more sugary shiat than before and then sitting around watching TV for hours.


I would actually say yes.  Not because of any chemical argument, but an economic one.  HFCS and the subsidies that corn gets makes sugary shiat artificially cheap.
 
2013-05-01 08:53:29 PM
Bee thread?
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2013-05-01 11:32:01 PM

RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose.


"Practically the same" doesn't mean it's the same. Stop parroting what the Corn Grower's Association is telling you.
 
2013-05-01 11:54:16 PM

Fark Me To Tears: RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose.

"Practically the same" doesn't mean it's the same. Stop parroting what the Corn Grower's Association is telling you.


The typical HFCS you find in sodas is 55% fructose and 42% glucose. Table sugar is 50% fructose and 50% glucose. Woooooooooooooooooo, big difference.
 
2013-05-02 12:04:17 AM
True fact: high fructose corn syrup is delicious.
 
2013-05-02 12:29:41 AM

RexTalionis: The typical HFCS you find in sodas is 55% fructose and 42% glucose. Table sugar is 50% fructose and 50% glucose. Woooooooooooooooooo, big difference.


CH3OH and CH3CH2OH are practically the same thing. Why don't we drink both?
 
2013-05-02 01:23:03 AM

Fark Me To Tears: RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose.

"Practically the same" doesn't mean it's the same. Stop parroting what the Corn Grower's Association is telling you.


They aren't the same, exactly.  That's true.  I'm not sure, though, that there's any sufficiently conclusive evidence that one is worse than the other, excepting that people consume a farkton more of the stuff in general now.
 
2013-05-02 02:00:06 AM

Relatively Obscure: Fark Me To Tears: RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose.

"Practically the same" doesn't mean it's the same. Stop parroting what the Corn Grower's Association is telling you.

They aren't the same, exactly.  That's true.  I'm not sure, though, that there's any sufficiently conclusive evidence that one is worse than the other, excepting that people consume a farkton more of the stuff in general now.


nail on the head.
 
2013-05-02 02:06:29 AM
on an unrelated note in a totally not cool story bro

my work had some sort of dinner or something and all the left overs were in the back. in one of the boxes there was a shiat ton of those little honey packets the same size as ketchup packets. So I grabbed a couple of handfuls with the intention throwing them in my backpack for when I go camping(honey doesn't go bad so they can stay in my backpack all year). But then I get home and taste one...it was nasty super sweet shiat. so I look at the label and realize it's not honey, it's "honey sauce" or something like that. basically just HFCS dyed yellow.
 
2013-05-02 03:01:05 AM
Well, whoever writes that blog is an idiot.

Honey is not "made" from pollen.

Bees collect nectar from flowers. that nectar is about 20% complex sugars and 80% water. The nectar is there in the flower mainly to attract pollenators. Some flowers even have some caffeine in the nectar which increases bee productivity, and bees preferentially seek out caffeinated flowers such as orange blossoms.

They partially digest the nectar as they fly around, and when they get back to the hive they puke it up. The partial digestion breaks down the complex sugars into simple sugars.

fwiw, the glycemic profile of HFCS55 is almost exactly the same as most non-specialty honey.
 
2013-05-02 03:15:23 AM
This story is not true. The reason was already discovered. California (and other states) grows a lot of nuts and fruit that cannot self pollinate. Bee Keepers rent out colonies to help grow these fruits and nuts. There weren't enough bees to go around so millions (billions perhaps) of bees were imported from Australia. The Australian bees had a virus they were mostly immune to. The native bees here in America had no natural defense to this virus and it started to wipe them out.

It's very similar to what happened to Hawaii back in the day.

FAIL BLOG IS FAIL
 
2013-05-02 03:22:47 AM

RexTalionis: Fark Me To Tears: RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose.

"Practically the same" doesn't mean it's the same. Stop parroting what the Corn Grower's Association is telling you.

The typical HFCS you find in sodas is 55% fructose and 42% glucose. Table sugar is 50% fructose and 50% glucose. Woooooooooooooooooo, big difference.



Actually, there is a big difference. Here is an explanation...


Regular sugar is not the same as High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS)

Table sugar (Sucrose) bonds one molecule of glucose and one molecule of fructose together -- 50%glucose and 50%fructose. Sugar is made from sugar cane or sugar beets. It is pure -- just sugar.

High Fructose Corn Syrup is a blend of glucose and Fructose. (HFCS-42 is comprised of 42% fructose, 50% glucose, 8% highersaccharides. HFCS-55, is comprised of 55% fructose,40% glucose, and 5% higher saccharide.

"Whether it's corn sugar or cane sugar, your body can't tell the difference. Sugar is sugar." Sweetsurpise.

This statement by Sweetsurprise is not true. The body handles fructose differently than it does sugar. They both will make you fat but HFCS is blended so the fructose is not digested in the same way as sugar which is glugose bonded to fructose. The body can indeed tell the difference.

More and more research is finding that High Fructose Corn Syrup HFCS may be harmful to our health. It may be responsible for the high rate of increase in metabolic diseases and diabetes both in children and adults. It is more than the calories which are in fact the same in HFCS as regular sugar. The ratio of fructose and glucose in table sugar is 50/50 but HFCS is not 50/50 and the chemical structure is different. HFCS is blended and that may well be the problem . Some research shows that Fructose is better assimilated by the body when it is bound together in sugar -- the ratio of sugar being 50/50. HFCS can be any ratio the manufactures want it to be.

The metabolization of fructose is very different from glucose. Glucose can be absorbed by any cell in the body. Fructose is metabolized in the liver and how it is introduced into the body affects the way it gets to the liver. How the liver handles the fructose is what initiates the metabolic problems and diseases. Therefore it may indeed be causing havoc on our health -- like cigarettes -- slow -- you do not see the results immediately and without research you may not even make the connection.


The Corn Grower's Association disputes the differences in the way the body metabolizes HFCS vs sugar. The two are not the same. The body certainly can tell the difference.
 
2013-05-02 03:26:18 AM

Ciper: The reason was already discovered.


citation?
 
2013-05-02 03:29:53 AM

RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose. People are getting fatter because they stuff their gobs with more sugary shiat than before and then sitting around watching TV for hours.


This. Sorry, folks. I blew up to 250lbs due to choosing to eat fast food for it's convenience and working a desk job then coming home and sitting at the computer. Controlling my portions, paying attention to what I ate as well, and exercising got me to shed almost 100lbs. The world around you didn't make you fat. You chose to. I'm one of the biggest size sympathizers I know, but when people start pointing the finger elsewhere when they themselves aren't making the necessary changes to their own life style I feel the need to speak up.
 
2013-05-02 03:41:40 AM

12349876: I would actually say yes. Not because of any chemical argument, but an economic one. HFCS and the subsidies that corn gets makes sugary shiat artificially cheap.


This.

It seriously costs less to get soda than juice without sweeteners, sugary processed food that won't go bad as fast than, say, the fixings for a nice salad, and frozen heat-n'-eat processed meat with sauces and breading and such is often cheaper than the cook-it-from-scratch kind.

Americans aren't fat because they lack willpower. They are fat because they're broke and the shiatty food covers more meals than decent food. Subsidize fresh vegetables, plain lean meats, whole grains and such, and statistically, we'd all slim down a lot.
 
2013-05-02 04:24:31 AM

log_jammin: honey sauce


Sounds like something a hooker would call herself
 
2013-05-02 04:41:54 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: honey sauce

Sounds like something a hooker would call herself


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"Honey sauce"
 
2013-05-02 04:42:35 AM
Oh for chrissakes. I thought it was safer for the environment and that's why we switched all of our refrigerators and air conditioners from CFCs.
 
2013-05-02 04:43:43 AM

Fark Me To Tears: Actually, there is a big difference. Here is an explanation..


If you truly understood the argument presented I would think you could explain it better. I'm not saying the problem isn't real, I'm saying you don't seem to understand it, you just accept it. This kind of thinking leads to many problems.
 
2013-05-02 04:52:37 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: honey sauce

Sounds like something a hooker would call herself


She's Honey Sauce, hell on 6 inch heels trained in the mystical martial arts of the Orient and he is Colonel DeJuan Mustard, ex Special Ops with a past he just can't forget. By night they pose as a pimp and his ho.  But their real job is fighting crime and taking it to the man.

Together, they are:  Honey Mustard.  Coming in technicolor to a cinema near you.
 
2013-05-02 04:55:17 AM

pellies: Fark Me To Tears: Actually, there is a big difference. Here is an explanation..

If you truly understood the argument presented I would think you could explain it better. I'm not saying the problem isn't real, I'm saying you don't seem to understand it, you just accept it. This kind of thinking leads to many problems.


Both Chlorine and Sodium are poisonous.  Combined together they are, in the right quantities, necessary for life.
 
2013-05-02 04:59:21 AM

Atillathepun: drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: honey sauce

Sounds like something a hooker would call herself

She's Honey Sauce, hell on 6 inch heels trained in the mystical martial arts of the Orient and he is Colonel DeJuan Mustard, ex Special Ops with a past he just can't forget. By night they pose as a pimp and his ho.  But their real job is fighting crime and taking it to the man.

Together, they are:  Honey Mustard.  Coming in technicolor to a cinema near you.


I was thinking more along the lines of "This fall on ABC."
 
2013-05-02 04:59:36 AM

RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose. People are getting fatter because they stuff their gobs with more sugary shiat than before and then sitting around watching TV for hours.




They are addicts.

We should do the same thing we do to other addicts. Prison!
 
2013-05-02 05:04:39 AM

log_jammin: Atillathepun: drjekel_mrhyde: log_jammin: honey sauce

Sounds like something a hooker would call herself

She's Honey Sauce, hell on 6 inch heels trained in the mystical martial arts of the Orient and he is Colonel DeJuan Mustard, ex Special Ops with a past he just can't forget. By night they pose as a pimp and his ho.  But their real job is fighting crime and taking it to the man.

Together, they are:  Honey Mustard.  Coming in technicolor to a cinema near you.

I was thinking more along the lines of "This fall on ABC."


They'll take the successful movie starring Beyonce and Don Cheadle and recast it for TV with Wanda Sykes and Jaleel White.
 
2013-05-02 05:05:55 AM
Subby, I'll compliment you on a magnificent headline even if these other philistines won't. +1
 
2013-05-02 05:24:22 AM
Is corn good for anything nutritionally beneficial?
No.
 
2013-05-02 05:29:38 AM

RexTalionis: HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose.


No, it isn't.

Free fructose is more readily converted to fatty acids by the liver than glucose and leads to high levels of triglycerides in the blood. While the percentage of free fructose contributed by HFCS isn't terribly high on the face of it, when consumed in the huge quantities typical of the American diet, the aggregate amount of free fructose is more than enough to contribute to metabolic disorder and insulin resistance. You can argue the details of the contributing factors, but there is no doubt that excessive consumption of free fructose does have negative effects that go beyond the negative effects of consuming pure sucrose. In other words, they are not "practically the same" any more than putting sugar on your cereal is the same as the identical cereal without it.
 

Frankly, the entire debate reminds me too much of the early debate about smoking. The simple fact is that the shiat is bad for you and you shouldn't be eating it. It won't kill you in one day any more than smoking will and it has similar social issues as choosing to light up, but it is definitely worse for your health than sucrose even if it isn't poison. If you want to smoke and drink corn syrup go right ahead (hell, dip your cigs in the stuff for all I care), but don't be stupid and pretend it has no adverse effect on your health.
 
2013-05-02 05:37:14 AM

angrymonday: Is corn good for anything nutritionally beneficial?
No.


of course it isn't. It's not like it's been a staple food since prehistoric times or anything.
 
2013-05-02 05:42:36 AM

log_jammin: angrymonday: Is corn good for anything nutritionally beneficial?
No.

of course it isn't. It's not like it's been a staple food since prehistoric times or anything.


But was that the same corn we're eating today?
 
2013-05-02 06:00:55 AM

BarkingUnicorn: But was that the same corn we're eating today?


no. it was less nutritious, less hardy and gave a much smaller yield.

saying corn is not nutritionally beneficial is, at best, ignorant
 
2013-05-02 06:16:47 AM

Bane of Broone: RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose. People are getting fatter because they stuff their gobs with more sugary shiat than before and then sitting around watching TV for hours.

This. Sorry, folks. I blew up to 250lbs due to choosing to eat fast food for it's convenience and working a desk job then coming home and sitting at the computer. Controlling my portions, paying attention to what I ate as well, and exercising got me to shed almost 100lbs. The world around you didn't make you fat. You chose to. I'm one of the biggest size sympathizers I know, but when people start pointing the finger elsewhere when they themselves aren't making the necessary changes to their own life style I feel the need to speak up.


Your poor dietary habits in no way magically make HFCS into being exactly the same thing as table sugar. Glad you were able to take personal responsibility for your choices but that no more alters the chemical make up of HFCS than a criminal deciding to stop mugging people makes the blade of his knife unable to cut. People can put in the effort to avoid HFCS but that still doesn't magically make it the same thing as table sugar. It makes the difference irrelevant for those people but as you can see from the article, it still makes a difference for the bees.
 
2013-05-02 06:29:59 AM
Waiting for Wicker Man. Don't do me like this, Fark.

/Repo man's got all night!
//OK, only 26 minutes.
///Mornin', y'all
 
2013-05-02 06:47:04 AM

log_jammin: But then I get home and taste one...it was nasty super sweet shiat. so I look at the label and realize it's not honey, it's "honey sauce" or something like that. basically just HFCS dyed yellow.


So you made a honey boo boo?

/ducks
 
2013-05-02 06:52:28 AM
The HFCS ratio of 55:45 is a myth especially when it comes to beverages. A study was conducted in 2010 and analyzed the actual sugar content of 23 different sugar-sweetened drinks. The result? "Results showed that the total sugar content of the beverages ranged from 85 to 128% of what was listed on the food label. The mean fructose content in the HFCS used was 59% (range 47-65%) and several major brands appear to be produced with HFCS that is 65% fructose."

http://goranlab.com/pdf/Ventura%20Obesity%202010-sugary%20beverages. pd f

Not to mention HFCS is in everything because it's cheap filler, even in items that when cooked at home do not contain sugar.

In summary if you eat things from a package or can, you are getting sugar in excessive amounts where you wouldn't otherwise. Surprisingly, most people do not know this.
 
2013-05-02 07:05:54 AM

log_jammin: BarkingUnicorn: But was that the same corn we're eating today?

no. it was less nutritious, less hardy and gave a much smaller yield.

saying corn is not nutritionally beneficial is, at best, ignorant


Corn is pig food.
 
2013-05-02 07:08:03 AM
I can't speak for the chemical debate and such, but the ubiquity of HFCS is certainly shiatty for our country and any other country with out of control corn subsidies.

Once again I'm bringing out this picture:

www.fooducate.com

We're at the point where a brand of bread advertises that it doesn't contain corn syrup in it. farking bread. It's a selling point that farking bread doesn't have HFCS added to it.
 
2013-05-02 07:14:52 AM
The article was about colony collapse. A far more important topic than why someone is fat. And the fix for the possible cause in the article is simple and we older farmers knew it. Don't take the honey the bees make at the end of the season. You take some and leave some for the bees. Of course, we were not doing it for the bees health. We were just so dirt poor we didn't want to spend money feeding the bees all winter.
 
2013-05-02 07:17:18 AM

sendtodave: Corn is pig food.


said the British about the native americans choice of food when they colonized the Americas.

seriously guys, comments like that are giving me a big chuckle. keep'em coming. between that, and saying it has no nutritive value, and the other guy in another thread saying that salad dressing can literally kill you, I'm having a real hoot this morning.
 
2013-05-02 07:22:43 AM

log_jammin: sendtodave: Corn is pig food.

said the British about the native americans choice of food when they colonized the Americas.


What?  No, corn IS pig food.  Still.  That's what it's good for.

Feedstuffs for Pigs - Iowa Pork Industry Center - Iowa State University
www.ipic.iastate.edu/publications/320.Feedstuffs.pdf
the pig well. Table 1 presents suggested maximum levels of different feedstuffs in pig diets. Energy Feeds. Corn is the major energy feed fed to pigs.
 
2013-05-02 07:25:07 AM

Asa Phelps: Well, whoever writes that blog is an idiot.

Honey is not "made" from pollen.

Bees collect nectar from flowers. that nectar is about 20% complex sugars and 80% water. The nectar is there in the flower mainly to attract pollenators. Some flowers even have some caffeine in the nectar which increases bee productivity, and bees preferentially seek out caffeinated flowers such as orange blossoms.

They partially digest the nectar as they fly around, and when they get back to the hive they puke it up. The partial digestion breaks down the complex sugars into simple sugars.

fwiw, the glycemic profile of HFCS55 is almost exactly the same as most non-specialty honey.


Well, but natural honey would have pollen IN IT, is the thing. (Which is one of the reasons it can help with allergies). No, it's not made from Pollen, but pollen gets mixed in a bit.

HFCS55 would not.
 
2013-05-02 07:28:40 AM

RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose. People are getting fatter because they stuff their gobs with more sugary shiat than before and then sitting around watching TV for hours.


This.

So tired of people insisting that America wouldn't be fat if soda was still made with cane sugar.
 
2013-05-02 07:33:24 AM

God-is-a-Taco: I can't speak for the chemical debate and such, but the ubiquity of HFCS is certainly shiatty for our country and any other country with out of control corn subsidies.

Once again I'm bringing out this picture:



We're at the point where a brand of bread advertises that it doesn't contain corn syrup in it. farking bread. It's a selling point that farking bread doesn't have HFCS added to it.


If you're concerned about HFCS and buying Sara Lee bread, that's like thinking cigarettes with filters are healthy.
 
2013-05-02 07:35:17 AM

sendtodave: What? No, corn IS pig food. Still. That's what it's good for.

Feedstuffs for Pigs - Iowa Pork Industry Center - Iowa State University
www.ipic.iastate.edu/publications/320.Feedstuffs.pdf
the pig well. Table 1 presents suggested maximum levels of different feedstuffs in pig diets. Energy Feeds. Corn is the major energy feed fed to pigs.


no seriously. thats was a historic fact. The British considered it to be unfit for human consumption in the colonial days. most of our wheat got shipped off and the colonials were left with the corn to eat.

But I'm unsure why you feel the need to point out that corn is used in animal feed. from chickens to cows and, yes, even pigs.
 
2013-05-02 07:42:01 AM
Just to make everyone feel better, a good percentage of the honey you eat is really HFCS or rice fructose syrup, anyway.

Real honey is expensive to produce. You didn't think that $2 bottle you got at Wally World was authentic, did you.
 
2013-05-02 07:42:32 AM

RexTalionis: Fark Me To Tears: RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose.

"Practically the same" doesn't mean it's the same. Stop parroting what the Corn Grower's Association is telling you.

The typical HFCS you find in sodas is 55% fructose and 42% glucose. Table sugar is 50% fructose and 50% glucose. Woooooooooooooooooo, big difference.


H20 and H202 are basically only a single molecule of oxygen apart, they're virtually the same compound. Almost no difference at all. Go ahead and drink both and let me know what you think.
 
2013-05-02 07:48:30 AM

RexTalionis: For the last time, HFCS isn't responsible for obesity by itself. HFCS is practically the same, chemically speaking, as table sugar/sucrose. People are getting fatter because they stuff their gobs with more sugary shiat than before and then sitting around watching TV for hours.


"Practically the same"?  Drink, say, Mt. Dew with HFCS, and then drink a Mt. Dew Throwback.  They taste different.  Drink a Coke from the US (with HFCS) and then drink one from Mexico (or pretty much any other country).  They taste different.  In fact, the HFCS versions always taste sweeter.  Your body is telling you what everybody should already know: HFCS is a sweeter substitute than real sugar is.  The real ratios of HFCS (see PanicAttack's post) proves this.

Sure, soft drinks are bad for you regardless.  But, everybody would be a helluva lot healthier and wouldn't be dealing with sugar addition as much without HFCS in frelling EVERYTHING!
 
2013-05-02 07:48:38 AM

SpiderQueenDemon: 12349876: I would actually say yes. Not because of any chemical argument, but an economic one. HFCS and the subsidies that corn gets makes sugary shiat artificially cheap.

This.

It seriously costs less to get soda than juice without sweeteners, sugary processed food that won't go bad as fast than, say, the fixings for a nice salad, and frozen heat-n'-eat processed meat with sauces and breading and such is often cheaper than the cook-it-from-scratch kind.

Americans aren't fat because they lack willpower. They are fat because they're broke and the shiatty food covers more meals than decent food. Subsidize fresh vegetables, plain lean meats, whole grains and such, and statistically, we'd all slim down a lot.


Let me tell you how I know you don't grocery shop for a family...
 
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