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(Opposing Views)   Bank robber's official defense: "Since the banks had been bailed out and the people had not, I was going to confiscate money from US Bank in Jackson, Wyoming, and redistribute it to the poor and homeless in America. And that's what I did"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 196
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2013-05-01 07:52:00 PM

AugieDoggyDaddy: Yep,  the world would be better  if we got rid of all the banks.


Actually, the world would be a better place if we had a much larger number of banks.
 
2013-05-01 07:53:07 PM
Anytime a bank corporation or even a rich guy is stolen from it should be seen as a good thing.

because none of the above got there without stealing screwing or theiving from someone along the way
 
2013-05-01 07:53:50 PM

Communist_Manifesto: Tatsuma: Treygreen13: I'm sure the glowing praise of the anonymous internet cellar-dwellers will comfort this guy as he prepares to go to jail for a decade.

Seriously everyone who posted things like that have to be basically cellar-dwellers with very little impact on society, this is a beyond farked-up mentality to have.

The reason people don't have a problem with stealing from banks is because the banks may have farked up the entire world economy and caused a lot of grief/harm to people. It's called comeuppance and since no governmental authority has done jack shiat to provide said comeuppance, people will tend to look the other way when shiat like this happens regardless if this guys motives were exactly as he said they were. It may not be right, the people at that bank in Wyoming probably had nothing to do with the actions of the bank at large, but I can at least understand both robbing it and being okay with the guy doing it.


Yep.

I've been called for jury duty this summer.  If I get a bank robbery, I'm voting innocent unless someone got hurt.

I won't admit that during selection, though.
 
2013-05-01 07:53:58 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Voted for what?


Voted for the guy who put a millionaire Wall Street defense attorney in charge of the Department of Justice right after bank fraud brought down the global economy. Oddly, the millionaire Wall Street defense attorney didn't even bother to prosecute any of the clients he will go back to working for when he's back in the private sector in a couple of years.

Hell, just today Obama appointed a major lobbyist for the Cable and Telecommunications industries (as well as a major Obama fundraiser) to be in charge of regulating the Cable and Telecommunications industries at the FCC.
 
2013-05-01 07:59:31 PM

Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: The reason people don't have a problem with stealing from banks is because the banks may have farked up the entire world economy and caused a lot of grief/harm to people.

Actual bank are merely entities, it's the people who control the banks who did all of these things.

Can I go out and start murdering them? It is, after all, comeuppance.

Communist_Manifesto: the people at that bank in Wyoming probably had nothing to do with the actions of the bank at large, but I can at least understand both robbing it and being okay with the guy doing it.

Gangbangers in America are responsible for the death of lots of innocents. If I have a relative who dies in a drive-by, can I just walk up to any gang-banger and shoot him in the head? After all, it might not be this individual who is responsible, but well he's in a group responsible for most of these crimes.


I doubt anyone would complain to much if you did.
for that matter I doubt anyone would care that much at all.

Ive always thought. If one is a member of an outlaw group.
IE. Hells angles bloods crips mafia. Why are they given the same legal protection as anyone else. By definition they belong to an organization bent on breaking law.

who cares if john Q public goes all charles bronson on them?
theyve got it coming
 
2013-05-01 07:59:48 PM
Wonder how much of that defense is actually true and how much is shiat he made up to play on a jury's sympathies.
 
2013-05-01 08:06:36 PM

rolladuck: sgnilward: If I were on the jury, I certainly would be going for nullification on this one.

So, what you're saying is if someone were to come into your place of business with a gun, corale you and your customers into a corner while his friends take all the cash and valuables they could find, that you would be okay with it, as long as you worked for in industry that had been vilified in popular media.
You are messed up.


I don't think your hypothetical is similar to what happened in the news story. There were no weapons involved. He told the bank manager someone else had planted bombs in the snow outside. I'm not condoning his actions, but it seems to me only the bank manager was impacted emotionally by this guy's actions. There was no gun, there was no "coraleing" (I assume you mean corral?) involved.
 
2013-05-01 08:12:48 PM

links136: Tatsuma: links136: It's kinda like when prison guards look the other way while jail-mates beat the shiat out of child molesters. They had it coming.

No, no it's not. It's not the same thing at all.

Communist_Manifesto: I said nothing about justifying homicide mr. strawman.

Oh so only crimes that might lead to murder, like robbing a bank, are justified, but not straight up murder?

Are you kidding?  Private banks have decayed society to the point of collapse.  Frankly, they should all be charged with treason and have banks nationalized.

Wouldn't mind the french revolution either.


Yes, let's nationalize the banks because if anyone has shown they know how to handle money it's the government.
 
2013-05-01 08:15:38 PM

titwrench: PunGent: FTA  "Last week, a U.S. District judge told Donaldson he could not argue before the jury that his actions were justified."

I'm a lawyer, but not a criminal lawyer...did this guy just get a solid issue for appeal?

It sounds as though the judge is saying kind of tounge in cheek that he can argue the legality but he is not able to admit whether or not he feels the robber was justified. A take it as a wink and a nod to the robber even though he has to do his job and upstand the law.


Yup. Intending to do really awesome things with what you steal, even if you're stealing from an utterly evil motherf*cker, doesn't justify stealing from said motherf*cker. Every single one of us is an utterly evil motherf*cker in at least one person's eyes, therefore that cannot be an effective legal defense.
 
2013-05-01 08:22:39 PM

timujin: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Steals from the government (as he sees it) and give to the people


That is actually Robin Hood!

Isn't this stealing from the government? Aren't these funds FDIC insured?


FDIC insures depositors against bank failures.  It does not cover cash stolen from banks.
 
2013-05-01 08:26:46 PM

hardinparamedic: So in other words, this guy blatantly confessed to it, and gave the judge every reason to sentence him not only for armed robbery, but to even tack on terrorism charges as well for it being politically motivated.

BRILLIANT.

I bet that defense attorney sat down with a facepalm after he had to tell the jury that.


Robin Hood is defending himself.  Because lawyers are no better than bankers, y'know.
 
2013-05-01 08:29:57 PM

Tatsuma: I've spent most of the last two years away from fark and with nice and decent folk in an almost Pleasantville setting. It's been a bit of a shock, being back here.


I'm like you.  I stop in every once in a while to check on the freaks in the asylum.  It amazes me to no end the shiat people post on Fark.  Just when you thought you'd read the craziest crap logic here another thread comes along where the robbery of some bank in bumfark, nowhere'sville is championed as putting it to the man.
 
2013-05-01 08:35:28 PM

radioshack: I'm like you. I stop in every once in a while to check on the freaks in the asylum. It amazes me to no end the shiat people post on Fark. Just when you thought you'd read the craziest crap logic here another thread comes along where the robbery of some bank in bumfark, nowhere'sville is championed as putting it to the man.


Yeah. I mean not going on the internet and being around sane folks, then jumping back it is really scary. I heard about these people, The 'Holmies', or Holmes fanboys/girls.

Now, in my innocence, I thought that these were Sherlock Holmes fans, either from the movies or multiple series on television right now about him as a character. No, discovered a couple of days ago that they are in fact fans of James Holmes, the Aurora shooter and write love letters about him and photoshop his face on porn to wank/shlick to it.

There's apparently a huge Johar Tsaernev fanbase on Tumblr as well. People here are rooting for bank robbers and calling for the death of bankers.

There are a lot of scary individuals in the world.
 
2013-05-01 08:35:29 PM

Tatsuma: Calmamity: Good. Fu*k banks.

Oldiron_79: Im ok with this

phlatulence: Hero tag cringing under bank teller desk somewhere?

Ned Stark: Acquit.

ToastTheRabbit: [media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

libranoelrose: He didn't give me any money, but I still support what he did.

Warlordtrooper: I'd like to buy this guy a beer.

AugieDoggyDaddy: Yep,  the world would be better  if we got rid of all the banks.
Yes exactly. 

... what the fark is wrong with you people?

This man robbed a bank, kept tens of thousands of dollars for himself, probably hid away some more, gave thousands to his friends, but because he said 'fark bailouts' and gave some to other homeless people (who happen to be personal friends, as he was himself homeless), suddenly what he did is heroic and justified?

What the fark.

 
2013-05-01 08:35:42 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Ive always thought. If one is a member of an outlaw group.
IE. Hells angles bloods crips mafia. Why are they given the same legal protection as anyone else. By definition they belong to an organization bent on breaking law.


What is your point in relation to this bank robbery.
 
2013-05-01 08:37:44 PM

jcooli09: The reason people don't have a problem with stealing from banks is because the banks may have farked up the entire world economy and caused a lot of grief/harm to people. It's called comeuppance and since no governmental authority has done jack shiat to provide said comeuppance, people will tend to look the other way when shiat like this happens regardless if this guys motives were exactly as he said they were. It may not be right, the people at that bank in Wyoming probably had nothing to do with the actions of the bank at large, but I can at least understand both robbing it and being okay with the guy doing it.


This. One way or the other, the rich in America need to be exposed to the consequences of their enriching themselves by looting the public treasury and taking an ever-larger share of income from the private economy. Nothing will change until that is the case, one only needs to look at recent history.

Roughly 100 years ago there (in a nutshell) was a very legitimate threat from ideological like socialism, communism, and even anarchism. The wiser of the elites realized this existential threat and supported FDR. While he reformed the capitalist system, he did not overthrow the monied interests, and the rich got to stay relatively rich and in power. The elites of today seem much less open to sensible compromise that would aim to keep the capitalist system intact, as the reckless decisions their puppets in the legislature would suggest. There is no foreseeable avenue within the political system to implement reform in a way that would make our crony capitalist economy more equitable while preserving its basic structure.

Things are going to get more and more interesting.
 
2013-05-01 08:40:53 PM

Tatsuma: People here are rooting for bank robbers and calling for the death of bankers.


It's a bunch of bullshiat.  It's internet tough guy talk.  I guarantee if this bank robber robbed their local bank and stole their $200 in savings they would be calling for his death if it wasn't protected by the FDIC.

That's another thing.  What he stole was insured by the FDIC.  So he really only stole from the government.  These idiots haven't even thought through it that far.  It's really sad.
 
2013-05-01 08:43:54 PM
Torn between Hero tag and Dumbass tag, a very rare dilemma indeed.
 
2013-05-01 08:44:07 PM

radioshack: That's another thing. What he stole was insured by the FDIC. So he really only stole from the government. These idiots haven't even thought through it that far. It's really sad.


Yeah he basically stole money from taxpayers for him and his buddies. What a hero!
 
2013-05-01 08:48:38 PM

Tatsuma: Actual bank are merely entities, it's the people who control the banks who did all of these things.

Can I go out and start murdering them? It is, after all, comeuppance.


Knock yourself out.  Like anyone is going to shed a tear for a dead banker in this country?  Besides the lesser crooks on their payrolls, that is.
 
2013-05-01 08:50:13 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: insertsnarkyusername: What minority owned banks exist?

There has to be one, right?



The Freedom National Bank of Harlem was the only bank deemed not too big to fail during the S&L crisis and depositors were only covered to the FDIC $250k limit.  All the other banks' depositors had their deposits covered above $250k.  Bill Cosby lost a small fortune, so no there doesn't have to be another one.
 
2013-05-01 08:50:46 PM
The Robin Hood charity:

5 dollars of every hundred for the poor and 95 dollars out of every hundred for himself.

Hey, that's still better than most charities in this country!
 
2013-05-01 08:51:37 PM

titwrench: PunGent: FTA  "Last week, a U.S. District judge told Donaldson he could not argue before the jury that his actions were justified."

I'm a lawyer, but not a criminal lawyer...did this guy just get a solid issue for appeal?

It sounds as though the judge is saying kind of tounge in cheek that he can argue the legality but he is not able to admit whether or not he feels the robber was justified. A take it as a wink and a nod to the robber even though he has to do his job and upstand the law.


Sounded less tongue in cheek and more "permanent ban on that line of questioning" to me, actually.
 
2013-05-01 08:52:17 PM
US Bank?

where's the HERO tag?
 
2013-05-01 08:52:49 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: titwrench: PunGent: FTA  "Last week, a U.S. District judge told Donaldson he could not argue before the jury that his actions were justified."

I'm a lawyer, but not a criminal lawyer...did this guy just get a solid issue for appeal?

It sounds as though the judge is saying kind of tounge in cheek that he can argue the legality but he is not able to admit whether or not he feels the robber was justified. A take it as a wink and a nod to the robber even though he has to do his job and upstand the law.

Yup. Intending to do really awesome things with what you steal, even if you're stealing from an utterly evil motherf*cker, doesn't justify stealing from said motherf*cker. Every single one of us is an utterly evil motherf*cker in at least one person's eyes, therefore that cannot be an effective legal defense.


Doesn't it go to mens rea, ie, bad intent?  or did they do away with that?

/been a long time since Crim 101.
 
2013-05-01 08:55:13 PM

jayphat: Debeo Summa Credo: jayphat: OgreMagi: Tatsuma: Calmamity: Good. Fu*k banks.

Oldiron_79: Im ok with this

phlatulence: Hero tag cringing under bank teller desk somewhere?

Ned Stark: Acquit.

ToastTheRabbit: [media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

libranoelrose: He didn't give me any money, but I still support what he did.

Warlordtrooper: I'd like to buy this guy a beer.

AugieDoggyDaddy: Yep,  the world would be better  if we got rid of all the banks.


... what the fark is wrong with you people?

This man robbed a bank, kept tens of thousands of dollars for himself, probably hid away some more, gave thousands to his friends, but because he said 'fark bailouts' and gave some to other homeless people (who happen to be personal friends, as he was himself homeless), suddenly what he did is heroic and justified?

What the fark.

If the government had gone after even one person in the mortage and banking scandal, I would not be sympathetic to his argument.  Since NOT ONE FARKING PERSON was even investigated, I say his actions were reasonable.

Yes, he robbed a bank for a couple of hundred thousand.  I'm more concerned with the billions robbed by politically protected rich bastards.  And I'm a libertarian who never goes the "fark the rich bastard" route.

You know what's more disturbing? The fact no-one feels the need to hold the politicians who voted for it accountable because they are a member of the party they favor. The just pisses me right off.

Voted for what?

That pesky TARP.


Oh, yeah, the thing that saved millions and millions of American jobs? The thing that despite any real or perceived faults they may have, both Bush and Obama can justifiably take credit for and point to as an example of where they unequivocally and objectively did right for their country? That pesky thing?
 
2013-05-01 08:55:48 PM
Last week, a U.S. District judge told Donaldson he could not argue before the jury that his actions were justified.

This legal defense is only available to the banks.
 
2013-05-01 08:56:34 PM

2farknfunny: The Freedom National Bank of Harlem was the only bank deemed not too big to fail during the S&L crisis and depositors were only covered to the FDIC $250k limit.  All the other banks' depositors had their deposits covered above $250k.



Total lie.
 
2013-05-01 08:57:41 PM
If I was on that jury, I'd make damned sure it was a 'hung' jury, if I couldn't otherwise convince my fellow jurors that he should be judged "not guilty". Period.
 
2013-05-01 09:02:19 PM
redistributed wealth that goes up is a-ok but redistributed wealth that goes down is for libs and socialisms

too bad libs
 
2013-05-01 09:05:31 PM

BarkingUnicorn: timujin: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Steals from the government (as he sees it) and give to the people


That is actually Robin Hood!

Isn't this stealing from the government? Aren't these funds FDIC insured?

FDIC insures depositors against bank failures.  It does not cover cash stolen from banks.


Thanks.  I knew it covered depositors, but didn't know if it also insured the bank as a whole.  A banker's blanket bond is apparently what covers losses like these.  So... he really just farked over an insurance company, they bank'll get paid... Still having a hard time hating this guy.
 
2013-05-01 09:08:37 PM
Look, let's cut the sh*t about "conservatives" and "libs".  They don't exist.  There's just the scerwers and the people who cheer lead for them because they think they're gonna get in the back door as "one of the good ones", and the screwees who are about 3 clicks shy of building guillotines and, historically, pretty much on schedule.  But let's stop pretending that those emperors cloaks add up to anything like a useful definition for any ideology within a political system that got dismantled and thrown under a train 40 years ago.
 
2013-05-01 09:19:41 PM

timujin: Still having a hard time hating this guy.


The guy robbed a bank.  Because his stated intentions, which I seriously doubt, jive with your political beliefs you give him a pass?  That's some farked up shiat.
 
2013-05-01 09:21:07 PM
My God.

What does it mean when Tats is the only rational person in a thread?
 
2013-05-01 09:22:32 PM

Swiftstone2012: If I was on that jury, I'd make damned sure it was a 'hung' jury, if I couldn't otherwise convince my fellow jurors that he should be judged "not guilty". Period.


Which is why the prosecution would immediately exclude you.  And I bet you'd give off such a vibe that they'd do it on sight.
 
2013-05-01 09:23:17 PM
Fact is he broke a couple of laws.

Right or wrong he will have his day in court.

I doubt he can disprove breaking the law.
 
2013-05-01 09:24:09 PM

timujin: BarkingUnicorn: timujin: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Steals from the government (as he sees it) and give to the people


That is actually Robin Hood!

Isn't this stealing from the government? Aren't these funds FDIC insured?

FDIC insures depositors against bank failures.  It does not cover cash stolen from banks.

Thanks.  I knew it covered depositors, but didn't know if it also insured the bank as a whole.  A banker's blanket bond is apparently what covers losses like these.  So... he really just farked over an insurance company, they bank'll get paid... Still having a hard time hating this guy.


There's no reason for you to hate him.  He did nothing to you or anything you care about.  You're in no position to do anything about him.  Hatred would merely shorten your life in this case.
 
2013-05-01 09:24:26 PM

Zeno-25: jcooli09: The reason people don't have a problem with stealing from banks is because the banks may have farked up the entire world economy and caused a lot of grief/harm to people. It's called comeuppance and since no governmental authority has done jack shiat to provide said comeuppance, people will tend to look the other way when shiat like this happens regardless if this guys motives were exactly as he said they were. It may not be right, the people at that bank in Wyoming probably had nothing to do with the actions of the bank at large, but I can at least understand both robbing it and being okay with the guy doing it.

This. One way or the other, the rich in America need to be exposed to the consequences of their enriching themselves by looting the public treasury and taking an ever-larger share of income from the private economy. Nothing will change until that is the case, one only needs to look at recent history.

Roughly 100 years ago there (in a nutshell) was a very legitimate threat from ideological like socialism, communism, and even anarchism. The wiser of the elites realized this existential threat and supported FDR. While he reformed the capitalist system, he did not overthrow the monied interests, and the rich got to stay relatively rich and in power. The elites of today seem much less open to sensible compromise that would aim to keep the capitalist system intact, as the reckless decisions their puppets in the legislature would suggest. There is no foreseeable avenue within the political system to implement reform in a way that would make our crony capitalist economy more equitable while preserving its basic structure.

Things are going to get more and more interesting.


I think it's cute when liberals think there is going to be a revolution or uprising. The revolutionaries you hold up as heroes of 1917 Russia or 1789 France would puke in your faces if they were here, saw how you lived, and then heard you compare yourselves to them.

The poor in this country are very very comfortable compared the poor of previous revolutionary generations. Revolutions aren't built on envy, they're built on desperation.
 
2013-05-01 09:29:58 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: timujin: I'd say this is an excellent case for jury nullification, but he's not allowed to discuss his motives. Also, what's up with that shiat? If he'd killed some dude because he was sleeping with his wife, the prosecution could use that motivation as evidence.

I guarantee you that if he was robbing minority owned banks cause he didn't like "darkies" having banks he would be facing a new bunch of new charges.


That's a really weird sentiment to shove into the conversation.
 
2013-05-01 09:42:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: insertsnarkyusername: What minority owned banks exist?

There has to be one, right?


I always thought Jews were a minority - don't they own ALL the banks?

dr_blasto: The Stealth Hippopotamus: timujin: I'd say this is an excellent case for jury nullification, but he's not allowed to discuss his motives. Also, what's up with that shiat? If he'd killed some dude because he was sleeping with his wife, the prosecution could use that motivation as evidence.

I guarantee you that if he was robbing minority owned banks cause he didn't like "darkies" having banks he would be facing a new bunch of new charges.

That's a really weird sentiment to shove into the conversation.


He just doesn't want us to forget the REAL victims of racism.
 
2013-05-01 10:03:48 PM

radioshack: timujin: Still having a hard time hating this guy.

The guy robbed a bank.  Because his stated intentions, which I seriously doubt, jive with your political beliefs you give him a pass?  That's some farked up shiat.


Never said I'd give him a pass, just that I didn't hate him.

BarkingUnicorn: There's no reason for you to hate him. He did nothing to you or anything you care about. You're in no position to do anything about him. Hatred would merely shorten your life in this case.


meh... true, hate is a strong word, but it was only meant to make a point... the word is often used this way in the modern vernacular and not meant to indicate actual "hatred".  Don't hate on me, bro.
 
2013-05-01 10:05:07 PM
jso2897:
He just doesn't want us to forget the REAL victims of racism.

That's my guess.
 
2013-05-01 10:09:02 PM

insertsnarkyusername: The Stealth Hippopotamus: timujin: I'd say this is an excellent case for jury nullification, but he's not allowed to discuss his motives. Also, what's up with that shiat? If he'd killed some dude because he was sleeping with his wife, the prosecution could use that motivation as evidence.

I guarantee you that if he was robbing minority owned banks cause he didn't like "darkies" having banks he would be facing a new bunch of new charges.

What minority owned banks exist?


www.shescribes.com
I'm not saying anyone likes them, but...
 
2013-05-01 10:09:10 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Anytime a bank corporation or even a rich guy is stolen from it should be seen as a good thing.

because none of the above got there without stealing screwing or theiving from someone along the way


What about the honest, hardworking, down on his luck guy who happened to pick up the $125M lottery ticket? Is he fair game?
 
2013-05-01 10:16:10 PM

bunner: Last week, a U.S. District judge told Donaldson he could not argue before the jury that his actions were justified.

This legal defense is only available to the banks.


Parties to criminal prosecutions and civil litigation are not allowed to confuse the issues and mislead the jury. Right or wrong, the defense of "Justification" is a legal term of art with limited application, refined through over a century of statutory and case law.  You can argue your commission of homicide was justifiable because that person had broken into your house and was threatening to shoot your toddler.  You cannot argue your bank robbery was justifiable because you're robin hood.  Why not? Because legislatures and courts haven't been convinced by the logic of decriminalizing bank robbery because poor people exist. For some strange reason.
 
2013-05-01 10:21:23 PM

Tatsuma: Communist_Manifesto: I never condoned his actions. You apparently don't know what the word empathy means. So I guess if you're not a troll you're just a straight up moron. Don't bother responding, I'm not going to respond to someone who doesn't even understand the concept of empathy.

You said 'may not be right', 'might not agree', you did not in any way say that you actually disagreed or agreed with his actions. And if your name was not 'Communist Manifesto' I probably would have given you a lot more leeway on this. So answer:

Do you agree with what he did, or do you think he should be sent to prison?


You're a farking moron is all I think. OMG Your screen name obviously means something! HUUURRRRDUURRRR Let me lie and put words in your mouth. DIAF
 
2013-05-01 10:26:55 PM

Communist_Manifesto: You're a farking moron is all I think. OMG Your screen name obviously means something! HUUURRRRDUURRRR Let me lie and put words in your mouth. DIAF


Your screen name, when discussing this, is in fact relevant, because Communists certainly hated banks and only believed in centralized, government banking. There were a lot of terror attacks on bankers before 1917 and well, we know what they did during the revolution.

 If your screenname was 'The Turner Diaries' and you made a comment about African-Americans shrouded in 'might's and 'can see's, I'd sure as shiat want to ascertain why you chose that name.

So do you want to answer the question: Was this man justified, or should he go to jail?
 
2013-05-01 10:54:21 PM

another cultural observer: Because legislatures and courts haven't been convinced by the logic of decriminalizing bank robbery because poor people exist. For some strange reason.


I absitively agree.  I am curious, however, as to how they managed to arrive at the notion that investment bankers colluding to obliterate entire market sectors, not only with impunity, but a fat bonus for their efforts, IS justifiable.  The legal system just gets curiouser and curiouser.
 
2013-05-01 11:06:13 PM

bunner: another cultural observer: Because legislatures and courts haven't been convinced by the logic of decriminalizing bank robbery because poor people exist. For some strange reason.

I absitively agree.  I am curious, however, as to how they managed to arrive at the notion that investment bankers colluding to obliterate entire market sectors, not only with impunity, but a fat bonus for their efforts, IS justifiable.  The legal system just gets curiouser and curiouser.


Justification is not a defense to fraud, either.  Sorry.
 
2013-05-01 11:07:00 PM

another cultural observer: Justification is not a defense to fraud, either.  Sorry.


Apparently "nudge, wink, we're too big to f*ck with" is, though.
 
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