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(Talking Points Memo)   The conspiracy theory that Obama is buying up all the nation's ammunition is so crazy that even the NRA says it's bull. But that hasn't stopped two GOP congressmen from drafting legislation to combat it   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 256
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2013-05-01 05:31:08 PM
Crazy doesn't need a reason...
 
2013-05-01 05:31:51 PM

FARK rebel soldier: I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.


The derp was flying pretty thick during Bush II's run, especially with the 'he's going to suspend the constitution and declare himself dictator if he loses the election' crowd.

If there's one good thing to be said about idiots, it's that they're fairly consistent regardless of who's actually in power at any given time.
 
2013-05-01 05:32:56 PM
Let them keep buying it. They'll never use it all, regardless of what they say and it will get dumped onto open market as surplus
 
2013-05-01 05:32:58 PM
And ammunition sales boom because of the news of this legislation.
I wonder how much of a kickback Inhofe and Lucas got from industry lobbyists.
 
2013-05-01 05:33:41 PM

toraque: FARK rebel soldier: I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.

The derp was flying pretty thick during Bush II's run, especially with the 'he's going to suspend the constitution and declare himself dictator if he loses the election' crowd.

If there's one good thing to be said about idiots, it's that they're fairly consistent regardless of who's actually in power at any given time.


Were Democrats drafting legislation to stop Bush 2 from suspending the constitution?  Your comparison sucks ass.
 
2013-05-01 05:33:59 PM

Mimic_Octopus: crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ?  Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer.   A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?


I recommend you thank the great and powerful NRA for scaring a few million half-wits into stocking up on enough ammo to invade Canada before OBAMA COMES FOR THEIR GUNS.  Supply and demand is a bitach, ain't it?
 
2013-05-01 05:34:20 PM
www.charlock.org
 
2013-05-01 05:34:47 PM
Pred. Obma govment is buy'ing up all are Ammo. Even tho the Constition say's that it's is MINE. IT IS UNLEGAL ACCORD TO BILL OF ARMS FOR GOVMENT TO BU'Y MY AMO. now how will I protec house from mexicos and invader's from Space. This is Why I listen to the glen gleck show on rado. HE is the Only one that tell's it like is. If the Nra doesnt take serosly then I will QUIT and join a more patriotish group!!!!!1!!one hundred and eleven
 
2013-05-01 05:35:31 PM

Mimic_Octopus: crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ?  Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer.   A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?


Any shortage is due to people like you scared of your own shadows.  Funny little circle of fear you've brought upon yourselves.
 
2013-05-01 05:37:46 PM
Ya know, I've been slapping myself on the back for months for being well stocked. After the great panic of 2008-09, I stockpiled all the necessary calibers and components to survive any future panics.... except friggin' .22lr. Never, ever thought I'd see the day when you couldn't find .22lr.

//It is not a damn conspiracy, it's just hoarding.
 
2013-05-01 05:38:02 PM

Muta: Tilting windmills is the primary function of a small government.


What about tilting at windmills? Possibly, with a guy named Sancho?
 
2013-05-01 05:38:16 PM

toraque: FARK rebel soldier: I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.

The derp was flying pretty thick during Bush II's run, especially with the 'he's going to suspend the constitution and declare himself dictator if he loses the election' crowd.

If there's one good thing to be said about idiots, it's that they're fairly consistent regardless of who's actually in power at any given time.


Yeah, I wasn't around much earlier than the Bush Jr. years.
I know Kennedy supposedly faked the moon landing as well as his own assassination, but I don't know how many government officials bought into those.
I even heard a crazy theory once about Reagan and Bush Sr. providing weapons and other material support to al-Qaeda during the 1980s.
And of course pretty much everybody McCarthy didn't like during the 1950s was a communist...
 
2013-05-01 05:38:54 PM
I find it frightening that conspiracy nutjobs are getting more mainstream.

fark you internet.
 
2013-05-01 05:38:57 PM
At least all the paranoid cowards are helping the economy.
 
2013-05-01 05:39:56 PM

FARK rebel soldier: I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.


Uh.. 9/11 had a few elaborate and fanciful conspiracy theories
 
2013-05-01 05:40:33 PM
1. A bill introduced late last week by Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) and Rep. Frank Lucas (R-OK) would ban federal agencies, excluding the Pentagon, from buying more ammunition during a six-month period if it currently possesses more than its monthly averages during the Bush administration.
2. Republican lawmakers look to limit federal agency purchases of ammunition
3. Lawmakers want to limit government purchases of ammunition
Facebook. OBAMA WANTS TO LIMIT YOUR RIGHT TO PURCHASE AMMO!!

I give it 2-3 days.
 
2013-05-01 05:40:50 PM

Sgt Otter: Triumph: That article is some world-class derp. The GAO is investigating DHS trying to figure out why it suddenly needs so much ammo and DHS doesn't have very good answers so far. It's an agency that obviously has way too big a budget. The legislation would stop agencies from accumulating massive stockpiles they don't need. In government, the trick is to make sure you spend up all your budget, so you don't get slashed the following year. This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.

I wondered about that.  In the military, you don't get rewarded with coming in under budget, and are allowed to keep your surplus for a rainy day.  The beancounters assume that since that's all you needed last fiscal year, then that's what you'll need this fiscal year.

You'll start seeing commanders placing orders for gigantic HDTVs for every flat surface in the headquarters building, and mass purchasing every ridiculous Mall Ninja accessory for their troops' M4s near the end of the fiscal year, because of that stupid line of thinking.


Maybe someone in Congress (maybe the Senate) will introduce legislation that gives government agencies incentives to return unspent money or even gives employees bonuses for spotting where money could be saved. I wonder if anyone has done that recently.
 
2013-05-01 05:41:39 PM

Calmamity: EvilEgg: Wouldn't the manufacturers just say "great!" and add a second shift or something?

As I understand it, the manufacturers are all running at full capacity (supposedly), and the next step would be building new facilities, which none of them are willing to roll the dice on.


Very feast or famine business, the merchantry of death. The history of every gun and ammo maker is a list of bankruptcies and new owners.

But seriously, people, Cheaperthandirt.com has NO .32 ACP ammo AT ALL. That's not a cop or military round; it's not even a very good self defense round. The old lady runs it through her Walther PPK when we got to the range, and I don't want to have to buy 1,000 rounds just to be able to buy it at all.
 
2013-05-01 05:42:05 PM

Triumph: That article is some world-class derp. The GAO is investigating DHS trying to figure out why it suddenly needs so much ammo and DHS doesn't have very good answers so far. It's an agency that obviously has way too big a budget. The legislation would stop agencies from accumulating massive stockpiles they don't need. In government, the trick is to make sure you spend up all your budget, so you don't get slashed the following year. This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.


"President Obama has been adamant about curbing law-abiding Americans' access and opportunities to exercise their Second Amendment rights," Inhofe said in a statement. "One way the Obama Administration is able to do this is by limiting what's available in the market with federal agencies purchasing unnecessary stockpiles of ammunition."

So it really IS about the ammo supplies in retail stores...according to the guy who WROTE THE BILL
 
2013-05-01 05:43:26 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Ya know, I've been slapping myself on the back for months for being well stocked. After the great panic of 2008-09, I stockpiled all the necessary calibers and components to survive any future panics.... except friggin' .22lr. Never, ever thought I'd see the day when you couldn't find .22lr.

//It is not a damn conspiracy, it's just hoarding.


The fact that .22lr is one of the rounds that can't be found is a great demonstration that it isn't government purchasing causing shortages.  I'm fairly certain the use of .22LR by DHS gestapo stormtroopers is minimal.
 
2013-05-01 05:43:39 PM

toraque: FARK rebel soldier: I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.

The derp was flying pretty thick during Bush II's run, especially with the 'he's going to suspend the constitution and declare himself dictator if he loses the election' crowd.

If there's one good thing to be said about idiots, it's that they're fairly consistent regardless of who's actually in power at any given time.


Well, to be fair, he did joke "I wouldn't mind living in a dictatorship, as long as I get to be dictator."
 
2013-05-01 05:44:28 PM
Fark is so very liberal these days.  It almost makes me want to stop reading the site.  Sadly, I enjoy the humor.
 
2013-05-01 05:46:38 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Anyone who was ever in the military knows the "citizens" don't have a hope of standing up against them.
1 minigun would settle all the discussions.


Or an Apache helicopter from miles away, like in all those FLIR videos from the middle east. Many of those guys have AKs too, and a lot of good it does them.
 
2013-05-01 05:47:08 PM

kortex: Fark is so very liberal these days.  It almost makes me want to stop reading the site.  Sadly, I enjoy the humor.


Reality has a liberal bias.
 
2013-05-01 05:47:55 PM
you fools! that's his diversion.

He's also purchasing all the bank owned real estate in major metropolitan areas in an attempt to corner the market but get this! he's going to sell at reasonable prices & NOW even POORs will own homes!!
 
2013-05-01 05:48:59 PM

seventypercent: Pred. Obma govment is buy'ing up all are Ammo. Even tho the Constition say's that it's is MINE. IT IS UNLEGAL ACCORD TO BILL OF ARMS FOR GOVMENT TO BU'Y MY AMO. now how will I protec house from mexicos and invader's from Space. This is Why I listen to the glen gleck show on rado. HE is the Only one that tell's it like is. If the Nra doesnt take serosly then I will QUIT and join a more patriotish group!!!!!1!!one hundred and eleven


SuuuuhMOOCH!
 
2013-05-01 05:48:59 PM

kortex: Fark is so very liberal these days.  It almost makes me want to stop reading the site.  Sadly, I enjoy the humor.


Not really.  You have probably regressed.
 
2013-05-01 05:49:26 PM

CynicalLA: At least all the paranoid cowards are helping the economy.


It's one of the few growth industries around!
 
2013-05-01 05:49:51 PM
I think I need to start an ammo business.  Apparently it's all gravy.
 
2013-05-01 05:50:06 PM
The DHS has admitted they're buying 1.6 billion rounds. The conspiracies revovle around why.
 
2013-05-01 05:50:16 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: CynicalLA: At least all the paranoid cowards are helping the economy.

It's one of the few growth industries around!


See, there is a silver lining to all this crazy.
 
2013-05-01 05:51:25 PM

KittyGlitterSparkles: The DHS has admitted they're buying 1.6 billion rounds. The conspiracies revovle around why.


Department of Homeland Security.  I wonder why.
 
2013-05-01 05:51:28 PM
Inhofe's a lying farkwad.
 
2013-05-01 05:51:52 PM

Loki-L: To be fair, if there was such a conspiracy, the NRA who is wholly in the pocket of the gun and ammunition manufacturers would naturally be in on it since it would make their bosses money.


Care to show a citation for your claim about the NRA being in the pocket of gun & ammo makers?

According to their tax records about half their annual income is from things like advertising (they have several magazines and publications in which they sell ad space) and program fees (e.g. fees for NRA-sanctioned competitions, safety courses, hunters education, training courses, etc.), about half is from paid membership dues, and less than 2% is from contributions from the firearms industry (and most of that is from "round ups" from retailers, where a customer can elect to contribute a few dollars to the NRA at the point of sale).
 
2013-05-01 05:53:02 PM

heypete: Loki-L: To be fair, if there was such a conspiracy, the NRA who is wholly in the pocket of the gun and ammunition manufacturers would naturally be in on it since it would make their bosses money.

Care to show a citation for your claim about the NRA being in the pocket of gun & ammo makers?

According to their tax records about half their annual income is from things like advertising (they have several magazines and publications in which they sell ad space) and program fees (e.g. fees for NRA-sanctioned competitions, safety courses, hunters education, training courses, etc.), about half is from paid membership dues, and less than 2% is from contributions from the firearms industry (and most of that is from "round ups" from retailers, where a customer can elect to contribute a few dollars to the NRA at the point of sale).


This guy is definitely a NRA plant.  Good job.
 
2013-05-01 05:53:59 PM
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2013-05-01 05:54:08 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: I think I need to start an ammo business.  Apparently it's all gravy.


These days it's basically a license to print money.
 
2013-05-01 05:54:43 PM
Also, if you know where to look on the internet, you can find ammo. Luckygunner has plenty of 223, 9mm, 40 cal, 7.62x39 ect. At least they did last night.
 
2013-05-01 05:55:51 PM

KittyGlitterSparkles: Also, if you know where to look on the internet, you can find ammo. Luckygunner has plenty of 223, 9mm, 40 cal, 7.62x39 ect. At least they did last night.


You guys remind me of drug addicts.
 
2013-05-01 05:56:46 PM

detritus: Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration, and good luck finding any on the shelves right now.  Regardless of the intent, the industry has not been able to keep up with civilian demand.


This is why the NRA is not against it. The NRA has become a lobbying arm of the firearm and ammo industries. Anyways, why exactly do people need hollow point rounds for self defense?
 
2013-05-01 05:58:06 PM
I would not put it by the gun dealers and ammo companies to create a false fear, hold back production, and then triple the prices.

That seems to be what is going on. A box of .45 acp that cost 14 dollars a year and a half ago is going for 40 dollars... and people are getting rich off of it...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/20 13/04/25/gun-and-outdoor-gear-retailer-cab ela-1q-profit-jumps-73-percent-topping/
 
2013-05-01 05:58:12 PM

KittyGlitterSparkles: The DHS has admitted they're buying 1.6 billion rounds. The conspiracies revovle around why.


No.  They have not.

The have admitted (and the contracts have always been public) that they have numerous contracts for the next 5 years across multiple departments that would add up to 1.6 Billion rounds only if every single round was purchased for every single agency over the course of every single year of the contracts.

The chances of that actually being the purchases that are made are near zero and they have already said they plan on reducing purchases in the coming year.
 
2013-05-01 05:58:24 PM

Shvetz: detritus: Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration, and good luck finding any on the shelves right now.  Regardless of the intent, the industry has not been able to keep up with civilian demand.

This is why the NRA is not against it. The NRA has become a lobbying arm of the firearm and ammo industries. Anyways, why exactly do people need hollow point rounds for self defense?


The regular bullets are too heavy for them to lift.
 
2013-05-01 06:01:05 PM

detritus: Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration,


this is literally a lie, hth
 
2013-05-01 06:01:20 PM

Shvetz: detritus: Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration, and good luck finding any on the shelves right now.  Regardless of the intent, the industry has not been able to keep up with civilian demand.

This is why the NRA is not against it. The NRA has become a lobbying arm of the firearm and ammo industries. Anyways, why exactly do people need hollow point rounds for self defense?


They're the best man-stopper against a human target not wearing body-armor.  They trade penetration for creating maximum wound channels.  Also, if you live in an apartment, or have kids sleeping in another room, hollow-points rarely over-penetrate.  A full-metal jacket while go through said intruder, through the wall behind him, and into anything into the next room, or the next apartment.

Some people have confused hollow-points with "cop killers," which are armor-piercing rounds.  Hollow-Points are absolutely worthless against body armor.
 
2013-05-01 06:01:24 PM

CynicalLA: KittyGlitterSparkles: Also, if you know where to look on the internet, you can find ammo. Luckygunner has plenty of 223, 9mm, 40 cal, 7.62x39 ect. At least they did last night.

You guys remind me of drug addicts.


Do you have any ammo?
 
2013-05-01 06:01:31 PM

Shvetz: detritus: Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration, and good luck finding any on the shelves right now.  Regardless of the intent, the industry has not been able to keep up with civilian demand.

This is why the NRA is not against it. The NRA has become a lobbying arm of the firearm and ammo industries. Anyways, why exactly do people need hollow point rounds for self defense?


The same reason DHS and every police officer in the US do.
 
2013-05-01 06:01:50 PM

CynicalLA: Mimic_Octopus: crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ?  Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer.   A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?

Crazy farks like you should not own guns.  If you are stupid enough to believe this shiat.


i see it you clown.  i go to multiple stores all the time, no ammo, except hunting rounds. ever.
 
2013-05-01 06:02:00 PM

CynicalLA: See, there is a silver lining to all this crazy.


The sad part is that I really really want one. But I'm told that they (installers) are a year out (the 5! I've called) and they don't even sell the small weather shelter that I want any more! You see having two small children in the middle of tornado alley makes me think that having a small underground shelter is a good idea.

But the effing effers make it to the point that I have to buy a small underground city just to find someone who will give me the time of day.
 
2013-05-01 06:02:06 PM

serial_crusher: Yeah, I wasn't around much earlier than the Bush Jr. years.
I know Kennedy supposedly faked the moon landing as well as his own assassination, but I don't know how many government officials bought into those.
I even heard a crazy theory once about Reagan and Bush Sr. providing weapons and other material support to al-Qaeda during the 1980s.
And of course pretty much everybody McCarthy didn't like during the 1950s was a communist...


Not sure if serious
 
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