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(Talking Points Memo)   The conspiracy theory that Obama is buying up all the nation's ammunition is so crazy that even the NRA says it's bull. But that hasn't stopped two GOP congressmen from drafting legislation to combat it   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 256
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2013-05-01 02:44:51 PM  
somebody should add up all the time and money the GOP has spent since 2010 drafting bullshiat legislation like this, the 36 obamacare repeals, reading the constitution aloud, etc. etc.

and that doesn't even count passing blatantly unconstitutional bullshiat laws in the states.

party of small government, my ass.
 
2013-05-01 02:48:02 PM  
There isn't an anti-Obama conspiracy theory yet that the House GOP hasn't attempted to draft laws to combat.
 
2013-05-01 02:55:21 PM  
OMG!  the NRA!  Obama got to them!
 
2013-05-01 03:02:20 PM  

Aarontology: There isn't an anti-Obama conspiracy theory yet that the House GOP hasn't attempted to draft laws to combat.


Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
 
2013-05-01 03:10:02 PM  
Inhofe huh? My money was on King or Gohmert. All are idiots though.
 
2013-05-01 03:46:33 PM  
Makes me proud to be from Oklahoma!

/Which way are the escape pods?
 
2013-05-01 04:04:04 PM  
don't worry though submitter, some brave fark "posters" will be in here soon enough to tell us that NOAA has purchased 1.6 billion bullets and DHS has purchased 2700 MRAPs.
 
2013-05-01 04:05:28 PM  
Too much hurr in their derp.
 
2013-05-01 04:12:51 PM  
Senators, actually.
 
2013-05-01 04:24:09 PM  
Wouldn't the manufacturers just say "great!" and add a second shift or something?
 
2013-05-01 04:33:31 PM  

EvilEgg: Wouldn't the manufacturers just say "great!" and add a second shift or something?


As I understand it, the manufacturers are all running at full capacity (supposedly), and the next step would be building new facilities, which none of them are willing to roll the dice on.
 
2013-05-01 04:40:54 PM  
That article is some world-class derp. The GAO is investigating DHS trying to figure out why it suddenly needs so much ammo and DHS doesn't have very good answers so far. It's an agency that obviously has way too big a budget. The legislation would stop agencies from accumulating massive stockpiles they don't need. In government, the trick is to make sure you spend up all your budget, so you don't get slashed the following year. This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.
 
2013-05-01 04:47:03 PM  
Really, I can think of a lot of things the gov can spend that money on that are better than ammo they don't need.
 
2013-05-01 04:50:05 PM  
*scans headline*


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2013-05-01 04:51:49 PM  

FlashHarry: somebody should add up all the time and money the GOP has spent since 2010 drafting bullshiat legislation like this, the 36 obamacare repeals, reading the constitution aloud, etc. etc.

and that doesn't even count passing blatantly unconstitutional bullshiat laws in the states.

party of small government, my ass.


I'd bet there would be a cost savings. The more time they spend doing this the less time they have to find new and interesting ways to spend money.

I mean they are in town anyway so really the only cost would be all the copies they have to print of the actual legislation so the Congresspersons can read them. And really how many copies do you think are requested?! So like 10 - 15 bucks max.
 
2013-05-01 04:53:43 PM  
 
2013-05-01 04:56:16 PM  

EvilEgg: Wouldn't the manufacturers just say "great!" and add a second shift or something?


Here is an article covering that question and calling BS on the government hording ammo

Link
 
2013-05-01 04:59:15 PM  

Triumph: This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.


FTFA:

DHS spending on ammunition represents less than one tenth of one percent of the DHS budget
 
2013-05-01 05:08:02 PM  

Triumph: That article is some world-class derp. The GAO is investigating DHS trying to figure out why it suddenly needs so much ammo and DHS doesn't have very good answers so far. It's an agency that obviously has way too big a budget. The legislation would stop agencies from accumulating massive stockpiles they don't need. In government, the trick is to make sure you spend up all your budget, so you don't get slashed the following year. This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.


I wondered about that.  In the military, you don't get rewarded with coming in under budget, and are allowed to keep your surplus for a rainy day.  The beancounters assume that since that's all you needed last fiscal year, then that's what you'll need this fiscal year.

You'll start seeing commanders placing orders for gigantic HDTVs for every flat surface in the headquarters building, and mass purchasing every ridiculous Mall Ninja accessory for their troops' M4s near the end of the fiscal year, because of that stupid line of thinking.
 
2013-05-01 05:09:04 PM  
Tilting windmills is the primary function of a small government.
 
2013-05-01 05:10:15 PM  
GOP legislators have no clue about reality......shocking!
 
2013-05-01 05:11:17 PM  
To be fair, if there was such a conspiracy, the NRA who is wholly in the pocket of the gun and ammunition manufacturers would naturally be in on it since it would make their bosses money.
 
2013-05-01 05:11:33 PM  
I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.
 
2013-05-01 05:13:35 PM  
NRA probably debunked it because they couldn't figure out a way to scare some money out of the gun crowd with the story
 
2013-05-01 05:14:01 PM  

jeffspec: Makes me proud to be from Oklahoma!

/Which way are the escape pods?


Save room for me!
 
2013-05-01 05:14:09 PM  
Well those congressmen are responding due to ammo concerns by citizens.  The government buys more than they need, sure, but it's the same with everything.  Some places in the country, it's impossible to find ammunition.  Everyone is hoarding, including the government.
 
2013-05-01 05:17:01 PM  

Aarontology: There isn't an anti-Obama conspiracy theory yet that the House GOP hasn't attempted to draft laws to combat.


Personally; I think that Obama needs to release his long form cat-scan certificate to prove that he's not a lizard person.
 
2013-05-01 05:18:29 PM  

Apos: *scans headline*


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This!

Hell, that's my feeling most days.
 
2013-05-01 05:18:47 PM  
Don't worry, Ted has you covered.

http://tednugentammo.com/
 
2013-05-01 05:19:20 PM  

PreMortem: Inhofe huh? My money was on King or Gohmert. All are idiots though.


I couldn't open the article.  I was betting on Bachmann.
 
2013-05-01 05:19:40 PM  
crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ?  Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer.   A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?
 
2013-05-01 05:20:11 PM  

Muta: Tilting windmills is the primary function of a small government.


Well yeah. They are dutch thus foreign and are associated with dykes, making this an assault on Christian values. Foreign assaults are terrorism. Thus windmills are foreign terrorists attacking American assets here at home as part of the queer islamofascist agenda. Hence the party of small government acting to disarm the Department of Homeland Defense.
 
2013-05-01 05:20:26 PM  

Loki-L: To be fair, if there was such a conspiracy, the NRA who is wholly in the pocket of the gun and ammunition manufacturers would naturally be in on it since it would make their bosses money.


I suspect all the hysteria about guns being taken away, which is also propagated by the NRA, is intended to drive up gun sales.

If the US government really went rogue in this day and age, they'd just take out problem people with drones or even satellites. They aren't worried about people having guns.
 
2013-05-01 05:21:10 PM  
Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration, and good luck finding any on the shelves right now.  Regardless of the intent, the industry has not been able to keep up with civilian demand.
 
2013-05-01 05:21:49 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ?  Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer.   A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?


Supply and demand.  It's not the gun nuts per se, it's the preppers.
 
2013-05-01 05:22:48 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Loki-L: To be fair, if there was such a conspiracy, the NRA who is wholly in the pocket of the gun and ammunition manufacturers would naturally be in on it since it would make their bosses money.

I suspect all the hysteria about guns being taken away, which is also propagated by the NRA, is intended to drive up gun sales.

If the US government really went rogue in this day and age, they'd just take out problem people with drones or even satellites. They aren't worried about people having guns.


Anyone who was ever in the military knows the "citizens" don't have a hope of standing up against them.
1 minigun would settle all the discussions.
 
2013-05-01 05:23:47 PM  
Well somebody must be hoarding all the ammo because there's not enough ammo around for me to hoard.
 
2013-05-01 05:24:17 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: NRA probably debunked it because they couldn't figure out a way to scare some money out of the gun crowd with the story


The NRA debunked this because their gun selling whoremasters stand to make less profit if the government is prohibited by law from buying ammunition made by the NRA's gun selling whoremasters.

Its as simple as that.
 
2013-05-01 05:24:18 PM  
Actually, the plan is buy the bullets and then return them for a refund, after lacing them with a genetically engineered disease using stem cells from aborted babies. Then law-abiding gun owners will all get get AIDS Butt Cancer when they buy the returned bullets.
 
2013-05-01 05:24:44 PM  

FARK rebel soldier: I'm not old enough to be sure, but has there ever been this much horseshiat conspiracy theory stuff about a president before? All I can remember was them doing this to Clinton and, while ridiculous, it was never this fanciful or elaborate.

Yeah, they totally spared Bush of any of this nonsense. /sarc
 
2013-05-01 05:25:27 PM  
Oh goody, that's my friggin Representative.

Like I said once before, at some point stuff like this should be considered treason. The right has done more than any terrorist group to cripple the US government. I say let them see Guantanamo first hand... and stay there.
 
2013-05-01 05:25:34 PM  
Shouldn't the free market be able to handle this?

/don't really care
//too much whargarble
 
2013-05-01 05:25:37 PM  

nytmare: Well somebody must be hoarding all the ammo because there's not enough ammo around for me to hoard.


Exactly.  When you buy based on paranoia, it becomes a self-reinforcing cycle when the supply runs out.
 
2013-05-01 05:26:57 PM  

detritus: Except the DHS has been buying a ridiculous amount of hollow point ammo under the Obama administration, and good luck finding any on the shelves right now.  Regardless of the intent, the industry has not been able to keep up with civilian demand.


Establishing mutli-year contracts and price caps to replace expiring ones and actually  'buying' are two different things.  Most of the big numbers being thrown around are by taking the maximum number off of multi-year contracts for every department and every year of the contract.  The rounds have not actually been 'bought' or acquired so blaming them for any issues in the supply chain doesn't make any sense.  Even if the DHS acquired a billion rounds, that would still be a very small percentage of production.

Basically, they are based on a huge level of ignorance on how government contracting works.  Way to go Patriots!
 
2013-05-01 05:28:14 PM  
Regardless of conspiracy theories, keeping the government from buying unnecessary amounts of ammo would put at least a little bit of ammo back on the market for civilians to hoard.
 
2013-05-01 05:28:55 PM  

BolloxReader: Muta: Tilting windmills is the primary function of a small government.

Well yeah. They are dutch thus foreign and are associated with dykes, making this an assault on Christian values. Foreign assaults are terrorism. Thus windmills are foreign terrorists attacking American assets here at home as part of the queer islamofascist agenda. Hence the party of small government acting to disarm the Department of Homeland Defense.


It's all so clear to me now!
 
2013-05-01 05:29:17 PM  
Because companies have a limited number of bullets they can manufacture and sell
 
2013-05-01 05:30:08 PM  

nmrsnr: Triumph: This is about keeping government agencies from wasteful spending, not about the ammo supplies in retail stores.

You'd be right, except that Inhofe and Lucas explicitly said that you're wrong:

"President Obama has been adamant about curbing law-abiding Americans' access and opportunities to exercise their Second Amendment rights," said Inhofe. "One way the Obama Administration is able to do this is by limiting what's available in the market with federal agencies purchasing unnecessary stockpiles of ammunition."

"After hearing from my constituents about the shortage of ammunition in Oklahoma and the Department of Homeland Security's profligate purchases of ammunition," said Lucas. "We have introduced the AMMO Act of 2013 to curtail these purchases so Americans can exercise their Second Amendment rights without being encumbered by the federal government."


To us guys here up North, those jimmy-crack-corn politicians sound like this...

"President Obama has been adamant about curbin' law-abidin' South Car'linans' access an' oppo'tunities t'exercise their Second Amendment rights," said Inhofe. "One way th' Obama Administrashun is able t'do this hyar is by limitin' whut's available in th' market wif federal ajuncies purchasin' unnecessary stockpiles of ammunishun."

"Af'er hearin' fum mah cornstituents about th' sho'tage of ammunishun in Oklahoma an' th' Department of Homelan' Security's profligate purchases of ammunishun," said Lucas. "We haf intrydooced th' AMMO Ack of 2013 t'curtail these purchases so South Car'linans kin exercise their Second Amendment rights wifout bein' incumbered by th' federal govment."

YeeeehaaaaW!
 
2013-05-01 05:30:22 PM  

serial_crusher: Regardless of conspiracy theories, keeping the government from buying unnecessary amounts of ammo would put at least a little bit of ammo back on the market for civilians to hoard.


What definition of 'unnecessary' are we going to use?  I'm guessing these guys won't use the same definition for tanks and jet engines.
 
2013-05-01 05:31:04 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: crazy huh ? care to tell me where all the target grade and price 9mm and .40S&W has been for the past farking year then asshole ?  Dont tell me the gun nuts are buying it, they are forced to spend goddamned $500 a case on tactical hollow points since a box of regular FMJ has not hit a shelf since last summer.   A little expensive to practice to proficiency at that rate wouldn't you say ?


Crazy farks like you should not own guns.  If you are stupid enough to believe this shiat.
 
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