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(Guardian)   Bobby Jindal defends teaching the controversy over whether or not anti-evolution education harms Louisiana's reputation   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 63
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2013-05-01 02:25:31 PM  
how much time could it really take to teach creationism in class? can't you just toss an addendum on the end of the evolution lecture that says "or god."
 
2013-05-01 02:31:41 PM  
If you allow religion in science classes, then you should allow science to be taught in churches.
 
2013-05-01 02:35:29 PM  

Blues_X: If you allow religion in science classes, then you should allow science to be taught in churches.


God forbid.

Literally.
 
2013-05-01 02:38:01 PM  
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this was said 91 farking years ago.
 
2013-05-01 02:41:43 PM  
Party of stupid strikes again
 
2013-05-01 02:46:18 PM  
To be honest, it's not like teaching creationism made Louisiana's reputation any worse.
 
2013-05-01 02:52:44 PM  
There's really a very simple way of dealing with politicians like this.  Ask them, "What do your own children believe?  What do you teach them?"

If he doesn't say evolution, then he's right out there in the open--I favor teaching other kids religion as science, but I don't fill my own kids' heads with that garbage.
 
2013-05-01 02:54:41 PM  
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2013-05-01 02:55:03 PM  
Whatever happened to "not being the Stupid Party", Bobby?
 
2013-05-01 02:55:07 PM  
You gotta pay the troll-toll to get into the boys soul, you gotta pay the troll toll to get in!

He doesn't want to be a RINO so he has to accept and defend these silly ideologies. The people on his side wont see a problem with this, and the people on the other side are already on the other side.
 
2013-05-01 02:59:54 PM  

Blues_X: If you allow religion in science classes, then you should allow science to be taught in churches.


Tell you what doc.  We're looking for just your type to act as trailblazer for this plan.  You go act as liaison and we'll just wait for you.........

WAY BACK HERE!
 
2013-05-01 03:00:01 PM  
There's good reason Jindal's approval ratings have been in the toilet of late.  Crap like this and then his ambitious plan to overhaul the state income tax system was met with such resistance from a Republican-controlled legislature that even when he pulled back his plan and asked them to simply come up with a reform packaged died in committee.  I think he's regretted that decision about intelligent design and creationism lately, judging by some of his recent speeches, but it's going to be tough for him to live that one down.  The sad thing is my kids will get a better science education at private Catholic schools in New Orleans than kids in public schools in some backwoods parts of the state will get.  Creationism and intelligent design are not science, are not even a "controversy" in the scientific community.  They are part of someone's religious faith, and they are certainly no part of my religious faith, so keep that stuff in your church.
 
2013-05-01 03:01:23 PM  

buckler: Whatever happened to "not being the Stupid Party", Bobby?


This stuff passed long before he made that speech (hence my comment).  Some powerful legislators from the hinterlands of this state foisted it on him and he backed it, though, so he'll have to own it for a long time.
 
2013-05-01 03:01:47 PM  
You know what, Louisiana?  You want to teach creationism in your schools?  Go for it.


But we get to wall off your state so the idiots you produce don't infect the rest of the country.


/build the dang fence...  around Louisiana
 
2013-05-01 03:02:07 PM  
As always, a scientician said it best:

My objection to teaching ID in science class isn't that it's religion, it's that it's not science. -NdGT

// [expletives deleted] - Bill Nye
 
2013-05-01 03:04:12 PM  
and the brain drain of the South continues...
 
2013-05-01 03:10:27 PM  
Bobby Jindal, the Democratic Party would like to thank you for effectively torpedoing any chance of your becoming President Of The United States.
 
2013-05-01 03:23:35 PM  
This is why we should not let foreigners govern.
 
2013-05-01 03:28:34 PM  

thomps: how much time could it really take to teach creationism in class? can't you just toss an addendum on the end of the evolution lecture that says "or god."


Nope. If it's done correctly, hand the kids a blank sheet of paper, tell them that it contains all of the scientific evidence FOR creationism, then move on with the real science.

Of course, if you are teaching a stack of kids who are being funded by government vouchers at Baptist Bible High School of the Deep South in Deepinabayou, LA, then you could get fired for doing that.  In that case, the science is "God sayd it, I buhleeve it, dat settlers it!"
 
2013-05-01 03:29:38 PM  
While I don't think we should be teaching creationism in schools, I also think this guy is a BIT hyperbolic. Many functioning adult scientist were taught creationism when they were in the public schools, they learned to reject such silly thoughts, and they went on with their lives. A few mentions of "God" isn't going to destroy a kids brain and permanently damage them to all science.
 
2013-05-01 03:30:33 PM  
Considering their reputation has them just slightly behind Mississippi and Arkansas, I would say no. We expect uneducated people to come from LA.
 
2013-05-01 03:33:04 PM  

MindStalker: While I don't think we should be teaching creationism in schools, I also think this guy is a BIT hyperbolic. Many functioning adult scientist were taught creationism when they were in the public schools, they learned to reject such silly thoughts, and they went on with their lives. A few mentions of "God" isn't going to destroy a kids brain and permanently damage them to all science.


it does not belong in science class. you could put it a comparative religion class. or even a literature class.
 
2013-05-01 03:34:35 PM  

MindStalker: While I don't think we should be teaching creationism in schools, I also think this guy is a BIT hyperbolic. Many functioning adult scientist were taught creationism when they were in the public schools, they learned to reject such silly thoughts, and they went on with their lives. A few mentions of "God" isn't going to destroy a kids brain and permanently damage them to all science.


The point is it's  not science.  Creationism is not in any way science and should not be taught as such.  I don't want them tested on this crap, or to give them an easy opt-out to everything.  "God did X" and "I don't believe in X" have no place there.
 
2013-05-01 03:34:54 PM  

MindStalker: While I don't think we should be teaching creationism in schools, I also think this guy is a BIT hyperbolic. Many functioning adult scientist were taught creationism when they were in the public schools, they learned to reject such silly thoughts, and they went on with their lives. A few mentions of "God" isn't going to destroy a kids brain and permanently damage them to all science.


I went to a Roman Catholic school and even I wasn't taught creationism in school.
 
2013-05-01 03:37:17 PM  
What is really baffling is when you hear about people who are geologists or whatever who must know earth processes take more than a few thousand years and yet are still convinced that the earth is only 5000 years old.
 
2013-05-01 03:39:30 PM  

MindStalker: While I don't think we should be teaching creationism in schools, I also think this guy is a BIT hyperbolic. Many functioning adult scientist were taught creationism when they were in the public schools, they learned to reject such silly thoughts, and they went on with their lives.


So what you're saying then is that what we knew about science 50 years ago is just as valid and equally true as what we know today?
 
2013-05-01 03:41:19 PM  

Gergesa: What is really baffling is when you hear about people who are geologists or whatever who must know earth processes take more than a few thousand years and yet are still convinced that the earth is only 5000 years old.


There was a geology professor at a Christian university in the US that I saw interviewed on a news show.  He was explaining that he was prohibited from talking about the ages of rocks and such in terms of numerical age.  He would refer to them as old, very old, very very old, very very very old.  etc...

I shiat you not.
 
2013-05-01 03:41:49 PM  

Nabb1: The sad thing is my kids will get a better science education at private Catholic schools in New Orleans than kids in public schools in some backwoods parts of the state will get. Creationism and intelligent design are not science, are not even a "controversy" in the scientific community. They are part of someone's religious faith, and they are certainly no part of my religious faith, so keep that stuff in your church.


I attended a Catholic High school that included Theology in the curriculum. Never once did our Science and Theology classes clash.

In one case a student asked about evolution vs the earth being made in 7 days in our theology class, and the teacher's response was something to the effect of "The bible is full of stories that aren't meant to be taken literally, but to teach us lessons. Who is to say that what the bibled called 7 days wasn't actually few billion years? Who was measuring time before humans got here?"
 
2013-05-01 03:45:27 PM  
That article was like a junior high "write a persuasive essay" assignment. And about as persuasive.
 
2013-05-01 03:45:54 PM  

Malacon: Who was measuring time before humans got here?


Every other living thing.
 
2013-05-01 03:48:29 PM  

buckler: Whatever happened to "not being the Stupid Party", Bobby?


It's almost as if Jindal's rhetoric about "not being the Stupid Party" was meant as contrite-sounding publicity stunt aimed at changing the tone used by the Republican party, and not meant to literally suggest that the Republicans should actually stop doing stupid things.

I, for one, am shocked and heartbroken. Who could have seen this coming?
 
2013-05-01 03:51:15 PM  

FlashHarry: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x285]

this was said 91 farking years ago.


Yes...but he was a progressive. So he's wrong according to the bible-thumpers.
 
2013-05-01 03:53:00 PM  

Paul Baumer: Bobby Jindal, the Democratic Party would like to thank you for effectively torpedoing any chance of your becoming President Of The United States.


He still seems to have a serious shot at the GOP nomination, though.
 
2013-05-01 03:53:30 PM  
This is coming from a guy that performed an exorcism on a female classmate while he was in college and then wrote about it.

I will admit that I did take a temp job teaching an ID class once.

"Welcome class. You have all signed up for Intelligent Design 101: The study of God in Evolution. This is an 8 weeks class with various read material exploring God and his influence in evolution. I take no attendance and give no quizzes. There will be one final exam accounting for 100% of your grade. It will include multiply choice and essay. One each. If you are taking notes the answer to both is "God did it"
Thank you and see you in eight weeks"

Easiest 8 weeks class ever
 
2013-05-01 04:01:24 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Party of stupid strikes again


Jindal's stance here does fly directly into his opposition of being the "party of stupid".  It must be difficult to find perspective from inside the vortex.

But, fark yes, teaching intelligent design in schools in not only astonishingly stupid, requiring inordinate amounts of ignorance, (even it plays well with some of the folks), it is also conspicuously unconstitutional, a de facto endorsement of a religion in public schools.

Go figure.  No party of stupid, here.  The sad thing is that everything here reflects the voter's will.  Our government is only as smart as our voters, apparently.
 
2013-05-01 04:03:27 PM  

FlashHarry: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x285]

this was said 91 farking years ago.


Jindal and his supporters are still stuck in the 19th century.
 
2013-05-01 04:13:50 PM  

IamTomJoad: This is coming from a guy that performed an exorcism on a female classmate while he was in college and then wrote about it.

I will admit that I did take a temp job teaching an ID class once.

"Welcome class. You have all signed up for Intelligent Design 101: The study of God in Evolution. This is an 8 weeks class with various read material exploring God and his influence in evolution. I take no attendance and give no quizzes. There will be one final exam accounting for 100% of your grade. It will include multiply choice and essay. One each. If you are taking notes the answer to both is "God did it"
Thank you and see you in eight weeks"

Easiest 8 weeks class ever


All the electives I took were either moderately difficult or hard. How come I can't get retarded simply classes like that?
 
2013-05-01 04:18:45 PM  
I should run for governor. Seems like an easy job. You can literally just make stuff up.
 
2013-05-01 04:25:42 PM  

Yaxe: All the electives I took were either moderately difficult or hard. How come I can't get retarded simply classes like that?


I think I found the reason.
 
2013-05-01 04:26:57 PM  

MindStalker: While I don't think we should be teaching creationism in schools, I also think this guy is a BIT hyperbolic. Many functioning adult scientist were taught creationism when they were in the public schools, they learned to reject such silly thoughts, and they went on with their lives. A few mentions of "God" isn't going to destroy a kids brain and permanently damage them to all science.


So...a little bit of stupid won't hurt them? And do you think it stops with evolution? Climate change, pollution, carcinogens, Supply Side Jesus economics, operation of lady parts, homunculi, stem cells, arks and floods, humans hunting dinosaurs...you open the door a crack and Larry, Curly and Moe come tumbling in.
 
2013-05-01 04:29:19 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: God forbid.


Emperor Jindal said to Nasruddin, "Mullah, all the great rulers of the past had honorific titles with the name of God in them. There was, for instance, 'God-Gifted' and 'God-Chosen' and so on. Can you think of some such name for me?" "God Forbid," said Nasruddin.
 
2013-05-01 04:45:39 PM  
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Insert Louisiana for Kansas.
 
2013-05-01 04:51:15 PM  

Lorelle: FlashHarry: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x285]

this was said 91 farking years ago.

Jindal and his supporters are still stuck in the 19th century.


And they're pushing hard to move the rest of us back there. It was a simpler time, when rich owned poor, white owned black, and men owned women. The GOP misses that.
 
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2013-05-01 05:16:29 PM  
What kind of religion wants to reduce god to a natural phenomenon that can be studied using the scientific method?
 
2013-05-01 05:18:44 PM  

Kibbler: There's really a very simple way of dealing with politicians like this.  Ask them, "What do your own children believe?  What do you teach them?"

If he doesn't say evolution, then he's right out there in the open--I favor teaching other kids religion as science, but I don't fill my own kids' heads with that garbage.


You have never heard a politician answer a question if you think it's that simple.
 
2013-05-01 05:34:40 PM  

Nabb1: I think he's regretted that decision about intelligent design and creationism lately, judging by some of his recent speeches, but it's going to be tough for him to live that one down.


i got an email from him today with this headline:

"IN CASE YOU MISSED IT:  Governor Jindal's School Choice Reforms Are Working Despite Attacks From Teachers' Union"

sorry about the formatting.

anyway what he is doing is the all to often used diversionary attack. vouchers and creationism would be  fine if it weren't for those meddling teacher's unions. in my reply i ask what he thought of the article we are discussing but i doubt i'll get a response.
 
2013-05-01 05:37:20 PM  

MindStalker: Many functioning adult scientist were taught creationism when they were in the public schools,


would you have a citation for that?
 
2013-05-01 05:40:07 PM  

DeaH: What kind of religion wants to reduce god to a natural phenomenon that can be studied using the scientific method?


The kind that wants to reduce natural phenomena to "it's all just god!"
 
2013-05-01 06:05:08 PM  

Guided_by_Voices: Obligatory:

*bunch of teach the controversy shirts*

I've emailed them, but they have yet to fulfill my request for a 'Greedo shot first' design.
 
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