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(Guardian)   3D printing has hit its "tipping point" and could soon be available to many households the world over for people with a flair for design   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 138
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2013-05-01 01:34:06 PM
In other words, 3D printing will soon hit its tipping point.
 
2013-05-01 01:35:31 PM
Here's a tip, subby: when the headline of an article asks a question, the answer is no.
 
2013-05-01 01:39:04 PM
Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...
 
2013-05-01 01:39:22 PM
Soon as in the next two decades?
 
2013-05-01 01:42:28 PM

KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...


QFT
 
2013-05-01 01:43:43 PM

KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...


You saved me the trouble.
 
2013-05-01 01:43:46 PM
FOR THE LOW, LOW PRICE OF 10,000 DOLLARS A PIECE!

Affordable for ANYONE the world over, you know.
 
2013-05-01 01:46:11 PM
No.
Because everything you print that you didn't design yourself is a copyright violation.

He-Haw!
See how that works?
 
2013-05-01 01:48:21 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Flair?
 
2013-05-01 01:50:43 PM

hogans: Here's a tip, subby: when the headline of an article asks a question, the answer is no.


While subby has been pretty dumb the last few months, I think this is more QA bait than anything else.
 
2013-05-01 01:50:49 PM
"(T)he plastic arms try to stay closed - so the design is at its strongest when open, yet clings to your head face" sounds like bad dialogue from a low-budget sci-fi film.
 
2013-05-01 01:53:55 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: No. Because everything you print that you didn't design yourself is a copyright violation.


You're not that far off from the truth. A couple of makers of high end 3d printers own the patents for high-fidelity printing, which they refuse to license to consumer grade devices. It's as if home computers were still stuck using 286 chips and floppies.
 
2013-05-01 01:58:45 PM

KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...


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2013-05-01 02:00:05 PM

way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*
 
2013-05-01 02:00:36 PM
You just got someone's attention.
 
2013-05-01 02:01:10 PM
Part of me would like to have a machine shop loaded with CNC mills and lathes and a water jet cutter, but for purposes of rapid prototyping I'm better off paying someone who uses the machines 24-7 to add my parts to their work que. I suspect they're actually automated to the point of lights out manufacturing. The costs of financing or leasing $60k of machine tools would damn near pay for all the parts I'd order.

3D printing at home is as efficient as owning a photo developing studio. A small number of people and artist will benefit but the rest of us should just let the pros do it.  Although I must admit I've done a bit of prototyping with a scroll saw, file, hammer, thin plate aluminum and brass rod.

/A coping saw with a metal cutting blade is the poor engineering student's waterjet cutter.
 
2013-05-01 02:01:32 PM

KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*


I caught a 24 hour ban just for calling someone a "petulant child".  I bet it's because he pays $5 and I don't.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:56 PM
Meh to do anything other then PVC or PLS filament costs too dam much. Sure you can do a lot with PVC or PLS, but I still have not figured out how to keep the vibrators from being damaged when printing. Also I would love to do some more natural textured dildos, pocket pussies, and vibes but still have not figured that out. They are great for plastic paddles or clamps though.
 
2013-05-01 02:06:36 PM

tricycleracer: KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*

I caught a 24 hour ban just for calling someone a "petulant child".  I bet it's because he pays $5 and I don't.


Nah just depends on if the mods are on the rag or not. I once caught a 24 hour ban for making a joke about eating puppies.
 
2013-05-01 02:07:06 PM

KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*


Harassing him?! What a farking crock. 5 bucks nothing, he's gotta give a mean handy.
 
2013-05-01 02:11:23 PM
The only way this has reached its tipping point is if they've got on-the-fly swapable extruder, similar to older plotters that swapped pens depending on the colour needed.

It needs to work with a wide range of materials and different colours if its going in to the general publics home, ABS plastic whilst tough enough for most things isn't what people want everything made of.

It also needs something other than a work flow that is decidedly geeky to make it do anything.

  

KellyX: Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*


It's a factually accurate statement though.  That is all he does.
 
2013-05-01 02:11:34 PM

Mentalpatient87: KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*

Harassing him?! What a farking crock. 5 bucks nothing, he's gotta give a mean handy.


Agreed, I did feel it was a crock of shiat and I did contact the mod and was told I should just place him on ignore...
 
2013-05-01 02:13:04 PM

Vaneshi: KellyX: Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*

It's a factually accurate statement though.  That is all he does.


Oh I know, I created that image. I'm just sharing what happened.

Probably get in trouble for discussing that...
 
2013-05-01 02:14:14 PM

KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*


I try to be respectful of everyone, but when a guy comes in and commanders every jesus 3d tech thread to the point where nothing gets discussed but his own thread shiatting... Yea, they deserve a jab in the ribs.

/Its understandable that theres always someone who won't like things that others like.
/but you gotta know when to say your piece and bow out.
 
2013-05-01 02:14:42 PM

KellyX: Probably get in trouble for discussing that...


Probably but then that's what Reddit is for: tormenting idiots whilst banned from Fark.
 
2013-05-01 02:22:35 PM
3D printing will never take off though. Some people have a life
 
2013-05-01 02:24:45 PM
Mark my words - 3D printing will show up in every house within one year of the 'Year of the Linux Desktop'
 
2013-05-01 02:32:13 PM
I mentioned this in the last 3D printing thread, but...

When I got my Volvo C30, I soon noticed that there were no coat hooks in back where every other farking vehicle on the planet has them.  I did find accessory slots, thought, for things like cargo nets and pet barriers.  So, I designed coat hooks to fit into those slots and uploaded the design to Shapeways:

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/c30accessories

I've sold 70 of the things.  I doubt most people would be able to measure for them properly and pick up a CAD tool quickly... most would just find it frustrating.

Plus, I did it for one job. I wouldn't want to own a printing setup.  I certainly don't see manufacturers providing downloadable designs for printable replacement parts rather than selling the parts themselves -- they can't control the quality of a home-printed part being put into something that may be under warranty.  The liability could be quite high on something like a mower, for example.
 
2013-05-01 02:35:21 PM
I did find accessory slots, thought though

FTFM
 
2013-05-01 02:35:49 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Mark my words - 3D printing will show up in every house within one year of the 'Year of the Linux Desktop'


Well, since this year (or was it last year?) is the Year of the Linux Handheld, ship me my printer already!
 
2013-05-01 02:38:42 PM

Obscene_CNN: 3D printing will never take off though. Some people have a life


Wow. Are you trolling or serious? It hard to believe you can't see the potential of owning one.  Speaking as an artist, I can't wait to get my hands on a 3D printer.

BTW, I priced 3D printers last year and found many different models between $800~$1600.
 
2013-05-01 02:40:02 PM

way south: I try to be respectful of everyone, but when a guy comes in and commanders every jesus 3d tech thread to the point where nothing gets discussed but his own thread shiatting... Yea, they deserve a jab in the ribs.


What is funny is that he is still doing that in a thread that he hasn't even appeared in yet!

That is how bad it is!
 
2013-05-01 02:43:08 PM

wildstarr: Obscene_CNN: 3D printing will never take off though. Some people have a life

Wow. Are you trolling or serious? It hard to believe you can't see the potential of owning one.  Speaking as an artist, I can't wait to get my hands on a 3D printer.

BTW, I priced 3D printers last year and found many different models between $800~$1600.


I'm a CAD designer.  I would like to have one but I do not have the money or the space to do so right now (2 Kids, 3 yr old and 1.5yr old).  I would love to start making molds for my wife (she is a beginner silversmith).
 
2013-05-01 02:44:41 PM
It's like Desktop Publishing, but in 3-D.  Now everyone can make poorly designed stuff!
 
2013-05-01 02:44:56 PM

RatOmeter: Fark_Guy_Rob: Mark my words - 3D printing will show up in every house within one year of the 'Year of the Linux Desktop'

Well, since this year (or was it last year?) is the Year of the Linux Handheld, ship me my printer already!


Well, it's a bit of a stretch, but if you have an Android phone or tablet, you do have a Linux Handheld. I will concede that the Linux Desktop is deader than the Playbook.

Still want a 3D printer, tho'.
 
2013-05-01 02:47:55 PM
Hey, let me point you at the APIs for Phonegap, books on HTML, CSS, jQuery, design principles, software architecture, and you can go and build your own to-do list app.

Alternatively, I could write one, and you send me 99c for doing so.

That's why 3D printers will be nothing but a hobby for most, but I can forsee more custom manufacturing as a big growth area. Imagine being able to walk into a shop where you get measured, clothing gets overlayed, then "printed" and mailed to you. We all get tailored clothing.
 
2013-05-01 02:51:35 PM

Burr: wildstarr: I would love to start making molds for my wife (she is a beginner silversmith).


Awesome idea!  My first idea was my own custom chess pieces.

Players of games that use miniatures, Warhammer, 40K and the like, would also love one.

      "Oh, something happened to your figure? Don't worry, I'll print you up a new one."
 
2013-05-01 02:56:45 PM

wildstarr: Players of games that use miniatures, Warhammer, 40K and the like, would also love one.


Games Workshop have a C&D in the post to you as I type, they don't even want you thinking about that let alone trying it.

Although in all honesty the resolution of some of the 'consumer' machines isn't up to doing a such things, close but not quite yet at least not for a price a consumer would pay for the machine.
 
2013-05-01 02:58:01 PM

KellyX: Mentalpatient87: KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*

Harassing him?! What a farking crock. 5 bucks nothing, he's gotta give a mean handy.

Agreed, I did feel it was a crock of shiat and I did contact the mod and was told I should just place him on ignore...


It's a quantum threadshiat.  Before clicking the comments section, QA has either posted or not (there is no way to tell).  Regardless, the thread still ends up threadshiat due to references to him.
 
2013-05-01 03:01:29 PM

farkeruk: Hey, let me point you at the APIs for Phonegap, books on HTML, CSS, jQuery, design principles, software architecture, and you can go and build your own to-do list app.

Alternatively, I could write one, and you send me 99c for doing so.

That's why 3D printers will be nothing but a hobby for most, but I can forsee more custom manufacturing as a big growth area. Imagine being able to walk into a shop where you get measured, clothing gets overlayed, then "printed" and mailed to you. We all get tailored clothing.


Yep.  It'll be a great little "independent hobby shop" sort of thing assuming that the raw materials have a sane cost and there's a semi-reasonable way for the government to be reasonably certain that they're not printing guns (It'll be impossible to stop all of it, but if they can get "good enough", they might not ban the things outright in the state of CA (Oh who am I kidding, of course they'll ban them in CA.  They've already banned everything else)).

/Especially since it's a royal pain to find 42-34 pants.  They sell 38-34 and 44-32, and nothing higher unless you special order off the internets (and then since sizing is a crapshoot even between 2 pairs of the same pair of pants, it's about 50-50 whether you'll have to ship them back.)
 
2013-05-01 03:02:37 PM
TFA seems to say it's gonna be a bit yet due to the learning curve of the 3d modeling software, which makes sense. The other thing they'll need to figure out before they get big is the media used by these printers. Are you going to have to buy different machines or extra parts to switch from a plastic type building media to a metallic one? How pricey are these different printing medias going to be?


/also had a timeout once for calling the infamous threadshiatter out on being a jackass.
//pretty sure it was because the mods that day were hung over and angry though.
 
2013-05-01 03:08:19 PM

wildstarr: Obscene_CNN: 3D printing will never take off though. Some people have a life

Wow. Are you trolling or serious? It hard to believe you can't see the potential of owning one.  Speaking as an artist, I can't wait to get my hands on a 3D printer.

BTW, I priced 3D printers last year and found many different models between $800~$1600.


And the garbage that comes off of them looks like rejects from a chinese sweatshop. And it takes an hour to print. Have any of you who are swooning over 3d printing actually inspected the crap that comes out of the hobbyist printers?
 
2013-05-01 03:08:35 PM

Vaneshi: wildstarr: Players of games that use miniatures, Warhammer, 40K and the like, would also love one.

Games Workshop have a C&D in the post to you as I type, they don't even want you thinking about that let alone trying it.


Lol!  Oh yeah, that thought wasn't far from my mind.  As long as you don't try selling a whole army online and call it "3D printed Tyranid army" you should be fine. I agree that the detail might be too much for a "home" printer now anyway.
 
2013-05-01 03:13:51 PM

CheetahOlivetti: RatOmeter: Fark_Guy_Rob: Mark my words - 3D printing will show up in every house within one year of the 'Year of the Linux Desktop'

Well, since this year (or was it last year?) is the Year of the Linux Handheld, ship me my printer already!

Well, it's a bit of a stretch, but if you have an Android phone or tablet, you do have a Linux Handheld. I will concede that the Linux Desktop is deader than the Playbook.

Still want a 3D printer, tho'.


Not a stretch at all.  My phone (yes, that's a root prompt):

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-01 03:14:39 PM

assjuice: wildstarr: Obscene_CNN: 3D printing will never take off though. Some people have a life

And the garbage that comes off of them looks like rejects from a chinese sweatshop. And it takes an hour to print. Have any of you who are swooning over 3d printing actually inspected the crap that comes out of the hobbyist printers?


When was the last time you did any research on 3D printers, 2003?  Everything you said does not apply to 3D printers today.
 
2013-05-01 03:16:23 PM

Burr: way south: I try to be respectful of everyone, but when a guy comes in and commanders every jesus 3d tech thread to the point where nothing gets discussed but his own thread shiatting... Yea, they deserve a jab in the ribs.

What is funny is that he is still doing that in a thread that he hasn't even appeared in yet!

That is how bad it is!


dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-05-01 03:17:20 PM

way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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No, only "3D printing as replicators" and colonizing space. Get your facts straight.

I love how I'm portrayed as technophobe as I'm sitting between two oscilloscopes...

I'm a hype-phobe. 3D printing at home is a ridiculous notion, just needs a few more disappointed people and it'll be over. Too bad I'm a realist, eh?

My back's hairier than your caveman, BTW.
 
2013-05-01 03:23:11 PM
 
2013-05-01 03:25:33 PM

meyerkev: /Especially since it's a royal pain to find 42-34 pants.  They sell 38-34 and 44-32, and nothing higher unless you special order off the internets (and then since sizing is a crapshoot even between 2 pairs of the same pair of pants, it's about 50-50 whether you'll have to ship them back.)


Seriously?  Look, buy a pair of pants that are a little large on you and take them to a tailor to have them brought in and fit nicely.  You don't buy something off the rack that is perfect, that's a diamond in the rough.  It costs a little extra (About $8.50 for pants from my local tailor), but it's affordable and having clothes that fit and look good go a long way in both confidence and making your day that much better.
 
2013-05-01 03:26:00 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: I love how I'm portrayed as technophobe as I'm sitting between two oscilloscopes...

I'm a hype-phobe. 3D printing at home is a ridiculous notion, just needs a few more disappointed people and it'll be over. Too bad I'm a realist, eh?


I don't think of you as a technophobe QA, but your irrationally intense antipathy towards space exploration may cause others to draw that conclusion.

That said, I do agree with you wrt current consumer grade 3d printing...they're toys.
 
2013-05-01 03:41:33 PM

Stone Meadow: HotIgneous Intruder: No. Because everything you print that you didn't design yourself is a copyright violation.

You're not that far off from the truth. A couple of makers of high end 3d printers own the patents for high-fidelity printing, which they refuse to license to consumer grade devices. It's as if home computers were still stuck using 286 chips and floppies.


... except, aren't those patents being challenged, with a good chance of being overturned?

Eh, the initial statement isn't really accurate anyways.  As I understand, Thingiverse is full of designs with vary degrees of open-ended rights attribution.  There is a whole lot of things that you can print that you didn't design, that isn't a copyright violation.

And it's not like you need a lot of skill to design stuff to print anyways.  You can use Google's old Sketchup app to make things to print.  You can scan real world 3d object and use them as models with everyday devices.  Maybe you can print a plastic version of what you scanned freely (of, say, an antique chess piece or whatever, that has no existing copyright on it), or maybe you can't, but want to print something that can be used with it - scan in your iPhone and your favorite tripod, and print a custom case that mounts to your tripod.

Point is, there are more uses for this sort of thing than you or I can list.
 
2013-05-01 03:42:23 PM
wildstarr:
When was the last time you did any research on 3D printers, 2003?  Everything you said does not apply to 3D printers today.

It depends, what price point are we talking about?  After all the cheaper the machine, the worse the extruder is.  Shapeways (as an example) aren't making stuff using the cheap end of the spectrum so looking at their output and figuring "that's the quality of an $800 3D printer" will leave you exceptionally disappointed when you fire it up.
 
2013-05-01 03:56:33 PM
*ring*

`Hello?'

`Dude - it's Mike! Check out the doog I just dropped! I sent the specs to your 3D printer!'

`If the future is now, I hate it!'
 
2013-05-01 03:57:54 PM

Stone Meadow: irrationally intense antipathy towards space exploration


We can "explore" space from the comfort of our computer chairs. We won't colonize Mars or build asteroid deflectors. What is difficult to understand or believe about this? "Space tourism" is a joyride for rich people to stare out a Plexiglas porthole for a few minutes in the upper atmosphere. We ain't Starfleet yet. What is difficult to understand or believe about this? It's the same elements all across the universe. Rocks and sand, we have plenty of pictures. We even have Moon rocks. And? This still ain't Star Trek. What is difficult to understand or believe about this?

The species doesn't care, and physics won't let you anyways. The delusions about space are what annoy me.

Stone Meadow: I do agree with you wrt current consumer grade 3d printing...they're toys.


Yes, and the endless hype and bogus uses people come up with them is tiresome. Clearly they've never used one. They think they press a button and they'll be buried in high-quality figurines or something.

Then the usual excuses of "yeah but some expensive industrial process that requires three-phase power and a staff of engineers to run is like 3D printing, therefore my glue gun on a stepper motor at home is just the same!" are equally absurd. What is difficult to understand or believe about this?
 
2013-05-01 04:01:54 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: I love how I'm portrayed as technophobe as I'm sitting between two oscilloscopes...


Yeah, that was kind of weird. There's a laundry list of things you could justifiably be called (and I've used a few of them), but technophobe & Luddite aren't on the list.

I never was a fan of calling those things "3D printers" because I suspected that eventually that term would be used to describe something useful that has very little in common with a printer. The concept of a "custom part fabricator" has merit although it clearly ain't done cookin' yet. I'm curious to see what it evolves into in the next 50 years or so.
 
2013-05-01 04:03:32 PM
As I just read an article in Smithsonian magazine about 3d printing, I'm getting a kick.

/tl;dr - Not yet.
 
2013-05-01 04:04:39 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: What is difficult to understand or believe about this? "Space tourism" is a joyride for rich people to stare out a Plexiglas porthole for a few minutes in the upper atmosphere. We ain't Starfleet yet. What is difficult to understand or believe about this?


What you never understand is that people aren't saying "lets goto Mars today", they're saying one day in the future we might be able to goto Mars. Now hush.
 
2013-05-01 04:07:40 PM
Seriously, just ignore it. It's just like he's not even here. Dust in the wind.
 
2013-05-01 04:19:02 PM

Stone Meadow: That said, I do agree with you wrt current consumer grade 3d printing...they're toys.


They're toys now. Ten years ago they weren't available to the hobbyist, and five years ago they'd have cost $10,000, not a few hundred bucks. Those of us with a little foresight can see an awful lot of similarities between home 3d printing and the way home computers changed between the late 70's and the early 80's. And people like you and QA sound an awful lot like this:

"When the computer revolution was unofficially announced in the early 1980s, all indications were that it would change the world. Experts predicted that within five years, every household would have a computer. Dad would run his business on it. Mom would store her recipes on it. The kids would do their homework on it. Today only 15% of American homes have a computer - and the other 85% don't seem the least bit interested. There is a general feeling that the home computer was a fad and that there is really no practical purpose for a computer in the home" -Commodore Magazine, September 1987 edition
 
2013-05-01 04:19:25 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Stone Meadow: irrationally intense antipathy towards space exploration

We can "explore" space from the comfort of our computer chairs. We won't colonize Mars or build asteroid deflectors. What is difficult to understand or believe about this? "Space tourism" is a joyride for rich people to stare out a Plexiglas porthole for a few minutes in the upper atmosphere. We ain't Starfleet yet. What is difficult to understand or believe about this? It's the same elements all across the universe. Rocks and sand, we have plenty of pictures. We even have Moon rocks. And? This still ain't Star Trek. What is difficult to understand or believe about this?

The species doesn't care, and physics won't let you anyways. The delusions about space are what annoy me.


LOL...see what I mean?
 
2013-05-01 04:21:29 PM

Gunther: Stone Meadow: That said, I do agree with you wrt current consumer grade 3d printing...they're toys.

They're toys now. Ten years ago they weren't available to the hobbyist, and five years ago they'd have cost $10,000, not a few hundred bucks. Those of us with a little foresight can see an awful lot of similarities between home 3d printing and the way home computers changed between the late 70's and the early 80's. And people like you and QA sound an awful lot like this:

"When the computer revolution was unofficially announced in the early 1980s, all indications were that it would change the world. Experts predicted that within five years, every household would have a computer. Dad would run his business on it. Mom would store her recipes on it. The kids would do their homework on it. Today only 15% of American homes have a computer - and the other 85% don't seem the least bit interested. There is a general feeling that the home computer was a fad and that there is really no practical purpose for a computer in the home" -Commodore Magazine, September 1987 edition


There...I highlighted the relevant words above, so you won't miss them the second time around.
 
2013-05-01 04:24:03 PM

Saiga410: Soon as in the next two decades?


I guess it's time to start learning autoCAD then.
 
2013-05-01 04:26:52 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: 3D printing at home is a ridiculous notion, just needs a few more disappointed people and it'll be over. Too bad I'm a realist, eh?


I hope you are wrong in so far as a hobbyist I would absolutely love to have a decent 3D printer. Frankly the current extruder format printers are too crude for my liking and frankly not where i think the technology is going to go. I am much more interested in the ones that "print" the 3D image using an inkjet type head with a resin onto a surface of which is then dusted with the material. This seems like a much more reasonable approach if you want to be able to do anything with any sort of quality.

I agree with you that I do not see this going beyond hobbyist or rapid prototyping anytime in the foreseeable future.
 
2013-05-01 04:27:39 PM
3D printing would be fun, but then there's the cost of a CAD program*, the cost of materials, the cost of the printer itself... that all adds up pretty quickly. Then again, any technologically-oriented hobby tends to turn into a money sink, whether it's 3D printing, R/C models, audio and/or video recording, etc.

* There are some free CAD programs out there, but if you want AutoCAD it's going to cost you.
 
2013-05-01 04:29:20 PM

Stone Meadow: There...I highlighted the relevant words above, so you won't miss them the second time around.


That doesn't affect my actual argument, you realize that right?  Are you just nit-picking so you won't have to admit you just got schooled? it's OK, it happens to the best of us sometimes.

Not me obviously. Because I'm awesome.
 
2013-05-01 05:03:38 PM

Gunther: Stone Meadow: There...I highlighted the relevant words above, so you won't miss them the second time around.

That doesn't affect my actual argument, you realize that right?  Are you just nit-picking so you won't have to admit you just got schooled? it's OK, it happens to the best of us sometimes.

Not me obviously. Because I'm awesome.


The problem is...you aren't the best. You just type faster than you think.
 
2013-05-01 05:08:45 PM
Ah, I see TechnoBevets has arrived.....
 
2013-05-01 05:10:41 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Saiga410: Soon as in the next two decades?

I guess it's time to start learning autoCAD then.


Speaking as someone who has used AutoCAD for the last 12 years or so on a daily basis, you probably only want to go the AutoCAD route if you feel that you need more stress in your life or perhaps you haven't cast enough expletives at your computer lately.

I just installed a 1997 version of Cadkey on a retired co-workers computer. He preferred that to a current version of AutoCAD. The only thing AutoCAD has going for it is ubiquity.
 
2013-05-01 05:14:15 PM

Stone Meadow: Gunther: Stone Meadow: There...I highlighted the relevant words above, so you won't miss them the second time around.

That doesn't affect my actual argument, you realize that right?  Are you just nit-picking so you won't have to admit you just got schooled? it's OK, it happens to the best of us sometimes.

Not me obviously. Because I'm awesome.

The problem is...you aren't the best. You just type faster than you think.


What's wrong with your brain?
 
2013-05-01 05:17:38 PM

Stone Meadow: The problem is...you aren't the best. You just type faster than you think.


I don't actually know what your problem is with my post because you're doing the "I won't tell you what my argument is, that way you can't defeat it! I'll just smugly dance around it instead!" thing.

I assume you're gonna claim that you said current 3d printing was a toy and weren't remarking on its future potential, ignoring the fact that you also said you agreed with QA, who's on the record as believing 3d printing is doomed.

Also; I'll have you know that I type really, really slowly. Your vile insinuations about my typing prowess are utter falsehoods.
 
2013-05-01 05:20:12 PM

KellyX: Mentalpatient87: KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*

Harassing him?! What a farking crock. 5 bucks nothing, he's gotta give a mean handy.

Agreed, I did feel it was a crock of shiat and I did contact the mod and was told I should just place him on ignore...


Yeah, because ignoring does any damn thing to stop threads from smelling like shiat due to you guys quoting him. I rightly call him an intellectual coward and get my entire post deleted, while he gets to continue shiatting over and entire tab.

Please y'all, put the shiathead trolls on ignore, for all our sakes.
 
2013-05-01 05:21:15 PM

Stone Meadow: LOL...see what I mean?


No, I don't. You seriously think sending people to Mars is exploring? We have machines, they're getting better all the time. We're not. Explore from the computer chair. You don't need to actually go there to explore it. This should be obvious. Unless the real goal of "exploring" is some Indiana Jones notion that you'll go there with your Fedora and plant grass on Mars or something.

Do you seriously not understand the hostility of space, or the barrenness of a dead dry rock (but but but but there's ppb of water! Which we found out by sending a machine! Oh...) with no magnetosphere?

What, Venus? Jupiter? Mercury? The asteroids? Put down the sci-fi, it ain't happening.

We can send cameras. We won't send people.

Loki009: Quantum Apostrophe: 3D printing at home is a ridiculous notion, just needs a few more disappointed people and it'll be over. Too bad I'm a realist, eh?

I hope you are wrong in so far as a hobbyist I would absolutely love to have a decent 3D printer. Frankly the current extruder format printers are too crude for my liking and frankly not where i think the technology is going to go. I am much more interested in the ones that "print" the 3D image using an inkjet type head with a resin onto a surface of which is then dusted with the material. This seems like a much more reasonable approach if you want to be able to do anything with any sort of quality.

I agree with you that I do not see this going beyond hobbyist or rapid prototyping anytime in the foreseeable future.


I spent about a year at a local geek club during which time I saw more interest in the machines when they were broken. Which makes sense given what the output looked like. Towards the end they started getting pretty good at not breaking down. I gotta say it was fun watching it print out a main drive gear. However you can get similar plastic gears from any Lego Technic kit or Tamiya or hobby shop or smallparts.com...

And they are cheaper and better.

I realized this was just geek masochism. Doing it yourself just because you can. Sure, I get it. I used to etch my own PCBs, but I didn't think people will etch their own PCBs at home to make their own electronic devices.

This was 20 years ago. I simply send out for my boards to be made professionally these days. Sure, I could get a milling machine and a XY plotter and turn it into a CNC drill machine, but who has the time? And more importantly, who cares?

I just think the overlap of people with the skills and money to effectively use 3D printing is miniscule. These people are already doing it.

Some people will use commercial services to get their models done the right way.

Still won't be this massive sea change. It's delusional to think we'll 3D print full size functional cars at home. People who think that are clueless hipsters who have no idea of the complexity that's behind even simple objects, never mind something like a car.

I just don't see the massive need for this, beyond the ego stroking or the geek masochism. I don't think there are piles of VCRs and DVD players just waiting for a new 3D printed main gear or something.

The same technology that I'm told keeps getting better makes repairing old crap futile.

And then there are the stories on Fark... if there was a 3D printer in the next room, well by golly 3D printing is the future.
 
2013-05-01 05:29:28 PM

way south: KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*

I try to be respectful of everyone, but when a guy comes in and commanders every jesus 3d tech thread to the point where nothing gets discussed but his own thread shiatting... Yea, they deserve a jab in the ribs.

/Its understandable that theres always someone who won't like things that others like.
/but you gotta know when to say your piece and bow out.


Do, sort of like what's happening here without the aforementioned person?
 
2013-05-01 05:33:01 PM

AdrienVeidt: I rightly call him an intellectual coward


Oooohhhhh.... Well that settles it, then. Physics will bend to your mighty will! Space itself shall tremble with the might of your 3D printed tin cans!

No planet is safe from Species 8472, they have 3D printers now!

Beep beep boop boop!

Coward me this, why don't we even have Concorde anymore?
 
2013-05-01 05:35:15 PM
As we all know, 3d printers will forever stay at the level they are right now. There will be no further advancements of that technology.

i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-01 05:42:21 PM
What does this do
I have enough junk already
I don't need a junk printer
 
2013-05-01 05:43:34 PM

Uncle Tractor: As we all know, 3d printers will forever stay at the level they are right now. There will be no further advancements of that technology.

[i560.photobucket.com image 400x304]


Exactly. Medical technology will stagnate as well. I mean we already know all we need to about the human body, why bother trying to learn more?
 
2013-05-01 05:44:27 PM

Gunther: I assume you're gonna claim that you said current 3d printing was a toy and weren't remarking on its future potential, ignoring the fact that you also said you agreed with QA, who's on the record as believing 3d printing is doomed.


I don't have to CLAIM anything. I'll just repeat what I wrote: "I do agree with you wrt current consumer grade 3d printing...they're toys."

What's wrong with your reading comprehension? No part of that agrees generally with QA about 3d printing. It is clearly defined as my assessment of current consumer grade 3d printing. I happen to own a prototyping shop with in-house CNC equipment, so can claim to speak with reasonable knowledge of the field.
 
2013-05-01 05:46:39 PM
Built 3d printer from scratch, getting a kick, etc.  Fun to build and use, but I don't delude myself and think I'm going to be printing medical implants or spare tires for my car.  It's largely a novelty, but I do find it incredibly useful on occasion when working on other projects.  Need an oddly shaped part?  30 minutes in openscad + 30 minutes printing, k that'll work.  The parts don't look half bad to me, and are fairly strong if you plan it correctly.  If you put too much force in the wrong plane, though, they'll shear pretty quickly...

I think my total cost was on the order of $300.  To me it's worth that much for the utility alone, not to mention I found the entire process of building it very entertaining.
 
2013-05-01 05:55:30 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: No.
Because everything you print that you didn't design yourself is a copyright violation.

He-Haw!
See how that works?


At one time, I thought a 3D version of Kinkos could be a pretty good business idea.  But then I realized that the IP litigation would be never ending. .
 
2013-05-01 06:13:21 PM

wildstarr: Vaneshi: wildstarr: Players of games that use miniatures, Warhammer, 40K and the like, would also love one.

Games Workshop have a C&D in the post to you as I type, they don't even want you thinking about that let alone trying it.

Lol!  Oh yeah, that thought wasn't far from my mind.  As long as you don't try selling a whole army online and call it "3D printed Tyranid army" you should be fine. I agree that the detail might be too much for a "home" printer now anyway.


I was thinking GW should start a program for their dealers where they lease out the 3D printers and the designs.  That way the stores get print on demand and GW still gets its cut.
 
2013-05-01 06:15:48 PM
I prefer QA's threadshiatting to the rest of y'all's threadshiatting about QA's threadshiatting.

/threadshiatting
 
2013-05-01 06:16:35 PM
Also, the word "threadshiatting" is an apt description of how fused filament fabrication 3D printers operate.
 
2013-05-01 06:44:07 PM
Less 3d printer and more "spew warm ABS filament all over the place machine." I suppose that's what I get for upgrading my firmware.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: At one time, I thought a 3D version of Kinkos could be a pretty good business idea. But then I realized that the IP litigation would be never ending. .


Does Kinkos get sued if you copy a book on a self-service machine? Serious question, I don't know. I assume not, but I'd believe it either way.
 
2013-05-01 06:59:47 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: I realized this was just geek masochism. Doing it yourself just because you can. Sure, I get it. I used to etch my own PCBs, but I didn't think people will etch their own PCBs at home to make their own electronic devices.

This was 20 years ago. I simply send out for my boards to be made professionally these days. Sure, I could get a milling machine and a XY plotter and turn it into a CNC drill machine, but who has the time? And more importantly, who cares?


Printing will never come to the home or small business because your Epson/HP hobbyist toy just can't compete with a Heidelberg.

C'mon, when you need to print 5 of something, do you use your home inkjet/laser, see if you can buy paper that already has the right words on it, or send a copy of your master off to a printer to have plates made and a press brought up?

/I'll give you injection molding > FDM though
//Then again, SLA is a great way to make the masters for injection
///If only the resin was cheaper
 
2013-05-01 07:15:26 PM

Slaves2Darkness: tricycleracer: KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*

I caught a 24 hour ban just for calling someone a "petulant child".  I bet it's because he pays $5 and I don't.

Nah just depends on if the mods are on the rag or not. I once caught a 24 hour ban for making a joke about eating puppies.


I got banned once for making an "Airplane" joke in a Photoshop thread about jet liners. PS threads, serious business.
 
2013-05-01 07:15:35 PM

Uncle Tractor: As we all know, 3d printers will forever stay at the level they are right now. There will be no further advancements of that technology.

[i560.photobucket.com image 400x304]


As we all know, further advancements in technology will not make 3D printing obsolete.

ProfessorOhki: C'mon, when you need to print 5 of something, do you use your home inkjet/laser, see if you can buy paper that already has the right words on it, or send a copy of your master off to a printer to have plates made and a press brought up?


Funny how we always end up comparing completely different things. Putting drops of paint on a piece of paper was easy. Do you not see the difference here? How much structural integrity is demanded from a 2D printout?

How many people still even use printers that much in the era of iPhones and tablets and e-ink and whatnot?

Funny how when technology advances it makes certain things obsolete....

But not 3D printing. We'll live in a solid-state digital world with no moving parts because moving parts are so old-fashioned and obsolete...

Except for 3D printers! Then moving parts are fun again!
 
2013-05-01 07:21:08 PM

Stone Meadow: What's wrong with your reading comprehension?


See what I mean? These people don't even READ what you write and they go cry to Drew or make silly pictures.
 
2013-05-01 07:40:16 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Then the usual excuses of "yeah but some expensive industrial process that requires three-phase power and a staff of engineers to run is like 3D printing, therefore my glue gun on a stepper motor at home is just the same!" are equally absurd. What is difficult to understand or believe about this?


Since when is three-phase power not a household thing?  Also, it's clear you're not an engineer.
 
2013-05-01 07:41:14 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Funny how we always end up comparing completely different things. Putting drops of paint on a piece of paper was easy. Do you not see the difference here? How much structural integrity is demanded from a 2D printout?


Speaking of talking about different things... I use the 2d printing analogy not because they're accomplishing the same thing but because it's a device where the home version is always outdone by the professional version, but it has a place in the way we go about tasks. Perhaps them both having "printer" in the name was too confusing. Maybe I should have asked why they still bother selling sewing machines. I mean, you can just buy a shirt at the store or send a pattern off to a factory to have it made. Why would anyone ever need to sew anything at home? The answers' pretty much the same as 3d printing - it's a fun hobby, it's cheaper for small runs, it's amazing for prototyping, there's a niche industry in pattern creation, and it allows you a large degree of freedom in making things.

Quantum Apostrophe: How many people still even use printers that much in the era of iPhones and tablets and e-ink and whatnot?


Modern commerce, of course, being primarily accomplished through means of hand-written labels.

Quantum Apostrophe: But not 3D printing. We'll live in a solid-state digital world with no moving parts because moving parts are so old-fashioned and obsolete...


No, by all means, come up with a solid state 3d printer. That'd be pretty neat. I mean, I guess you could do SLA via a DLP chip. You'd still have to shift the fluid level though. Maybe a piezoelectric pump? You could get pretty good precision out of it too.

/You're counting MEMS as "solid-state" right?
//I mean, you said iPhone
 
2013-05-01 07:43:36 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Funny how when technology advances it makes certain things obsolete....

But not 3D printing. We'll live in a solid-state digital world with no moving parts because moving parts are so old-fashioned and obsolete...

Except for 3D printers! Then moving parts are fun again!


I understand your point, QA, but don't jump to conclusions too quickly. As someone pointed out above, wrt to 3d printing we are about where we were with PCs 30 years ago. A more prosaic example of technological persistence is the automobile. Here is a Ford from a century ago...yes, a 1913 Ford Model T.

oldcarbrochures.org

And here is the control suite of a 1913 Model T...

upload.wikimedia.org

A driver from a century ago could climb into a 2013 Ford Focus (a modern Model T, arguably) and drive away in it without more than a moment of instruction on how to start the engine. Sure, a lot of the underlying specifics have changed, but the device as a whole is so universally useful that it continues to be made, used and improved upon ubiquitously.

I have a strong feeling computers and, yes, 3d printers will prove as durable.
 
2013-05-01 07:50:51 PM

Dracolich: Quantum Apostrophe: Then the usual excuses of "yeah but some expensive industrial process that requires three-phase power and a staff of engineers to run is like 3D printing, therefore my glue gun on a stepper motor at home is just the same!" are equally absurd. What is difficult to understand or believe about this?

Since when is three-phase power not a household thing? Also, it's clear you're not an engineer.


In 'murica. AFAIK, it's three phase LV grid, but with single phase 240V drops to homes, split with neutral mid. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
2013-05-01 08:12:43 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Stone Meadow: LOL...see what I mean?

No, I don't.


And that's what makes him a lost cause, ladies and gentlemen. He's got his head so far up his ass he can't even tell when he's being an asshole anymore. You simply cannot make it clear that he is a combative, condescending bag of shiat. His crusade is too holy, too just. Surely his attitude is justified by his correctness, and it's everyone else's fault for being so stupid and making him be an asshole...

AdrienVeidt: Yeah, because ignoring does any damn thing to stop threads from smelling like shiat due to you guys quoting him.


This. We didn't even need him here, the idea of QA threadshiat has become too strong. It's out of control and has pretty much ruined this tab. But of course, don't hurt his feelings, he's got a firm grip on mod cock or something.
 
2013-05-01 08:22:33 PM

SN1987a goes boom: KellyX: Mentalpatient87: KellyX: way south: KellyX: Summoning QA to shiat all over this thread... 3... 2... 1...

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Careful, Mod banned me for a day for posting that, told me it was harassing him by doing that *rolls eyes*

Harassing him?! What a farking crock. 5 bucks nothing, he's gotta give a mean handy.

Agreed, I did feel it was a crock of shiat and I did contact the mod and was told I should just place him on ignore...

It's a quantum threadshiat.  Before clicking the comments section, QA has either posted or not (there is no way to tell).  Regardless, the thread still ends up threadshiat due to references to him.


Funniest comment this week.
 
2013-05-01 08:29:44 PM

Slaxl: What you never understand is that people aren't saying "lets goto Mars today", they're saying one day in the future we might be able to goto Mars. Now hush.


And even then you'd have to go to Mars in a 747, which doesn't travel any faster today than it did in 1970.

Or something...
=Smidge=
 
2013-05-01 09:00:16 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Putting drops of paint on a piece of paper was easy.


And yet in my lifetime we've gone from XeroxTM machines the size of a Model T (see what I did there?) that cost tens of thousands of dollars to the color laser sitting on my desk right now that set me back a couple hundred.  The technology advanced to the point where it was feasible to commoditize it.  If you're betting against technological progress you'll lose, nearly every time.

SewerSquirrels: but technophobe & Luddite aren't on the list


I'll argue that Luddism applies, albeit of a strangely narrow-focused sort.  What sets QA above the usual anti-science troll is the unexplainable vehemence of his crusade.  You can be counted upon to show a towering frothing passion in your arguments, and a mighty unwillingness to allow any dissenting opinion to tarnish your rage.

/Show me on the doll where NASA touched you.
 
2013-05-01 09:11:28 PM
What a person with a flair for design might look like:
upload.wikimedia.org

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2013-05-01 10:03:58 PM
Go away, QA, you cock.
 
2013-05-01 10:13:53 PM
It'll be $49.99 for the printer and $3000 for 16ml of that plastic resin.
 
2013-05-01 10:15:54 PM
I am trying to figure out a reason why anyone in middle America would want one of these beyond making homemade dildos and pocket pussies.
 
2013-05-01 10:22:19 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I am trying to figure out a reason why anyone in middle America would want one of these beyond making homemade dildos and pocket pussies.


You're lack of understanding probably stems from your nature - that of a consumer, not a maker.
 
2013-05-01 10:39:00 PM

Stone Meadow: HotIgneous Intruder: No. Because everything you print that you didn't design yourself is a copyright violation.

You're not that far off from the truth. A couple of makers of high end 3d printers own the patents for high-fidelity printing, which they refuse to license to consumer grade devices. It's as if home computers were still stuck using 286 chips and floppies.


Maybe they'll start putting them in Kinko's, until the tech gets loosened up, and the price drops.
If I had a pot to piss in, and a window to throw it out of, I'd get a nice machine, and make things for people.
 
2013-05-01 11:03:57 PM
I have two 3D printers in my lab at work and I'm lecturing at a national conference in July about this technology. This stuff is very very far from "tipping point" technology. The cost is radically prohibitive. Until there are open standards for resin or DLSM or DLSP become mainstream standards, the per-part costs will remain crazy high.
 
2013-05-01 11:15:43 PM

Elmo Jones: Stone Meadow: HotIgneous Intruder: No. Because everything you print that you didn't design yourself is a copyright violation.

You're not that far off from the truth. A couple of makers of high end 3d printers own the patents for high-fidelity printing, which they refuse to license to consumer grade devices. It's as if home computers were still stuck using 286 chips and floppies.

Maybe they'll start putting them in Kinko's, until the tech gets loosened up, and the price drops.
If I had a pot to piss in, and a window to throw it out of, I'd get a nice machine, and make things for people.




Staples is putting them in stores now.
 
2013-05-01 11:17:47 PM

whatshisname: It'll be $49.99 for the printer and $3000 for 16ml of that plastic resin.


Not anymore
 
2013-05-01 11:51:48 PM

mr lawson: whatshisname: It'll be $49.99 for the printer and $3000 for 16ml of that plastic resin.

Not anymore


That's not resin, it's filament.  Filament already runs as low as $15 per KG, which actually goes a long way.  Unfortunately, filament printing won't give you the high resolution people want for a finished look...it very much looks 3d printed.  The resin he's referring to is light curable epoxy, which enables MUCH better resolution and will cost quite a bit for some time to come.
 
2013-05-01 11:55:36 PM

Rezurok: mr lawson: whatshisname: It'll be $49.99 for the printer and $3000 for 16ml of that plastic resin.

Not anymore

That's not resin, it's filament.  Filament already runs as low as $15 per KG, which actually goes a long way.  Unfortunately, filament printing won't give you the high resolution people want for a finished look...it very much looks 3d printed.  The resin he's referring to is light curable epoxy, which enables MUCH better resolution and will cost quite a bit for some time to come.


have you tried a light acetone vapor bath after printing? Makes it look very smooth.
 
2013-05-02 12:06:44 AM
This is the year of 3D desktop printing!
Since our 3D printers only run Linux it is also the year of Linux on the desktop!



Wake me when they can build an entire appliance.
 
2013-05-02 12:09:38 AM

Stone Meadow: Quantum Apostrophe: Funny how when technology advances it makes certain things obsolete....

But not 3D printing. We'll live in a solid-state digital world with no moving parts because moving parts are so old-fashioned and obsolete...

Except for 3D printers! Then moving parts are fun again!

I understand your point, QA, but don't jump to conclusions too quickly. As someone pointed out above, wrt to 3d printing we are about where we were with PCs 30 years ago. A more prosaic example of technological persistence is the automobile. Here is a Ford from a century ago...yes, a 1913 Ford Model T.

[oldcarbrochures.org image 850x637]

And here is the control suite of a 1913 Model T...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x480]

A driver from a century ago could climb into a 2013 Ford Focus (a modern Model T, arguably) and drive away in it without more than a moment of instruction on how to start the engine. Sure, a lot of the underlying specifics have changed, but the device as a whole is so universally useful that it continues to be made, used and improved upon ubiquitously.

I have a strong feeling computers and, yes, 3d printers will prove as durable.


Actually the model T's gearbox was not anything like a modern car.

A model T owner would be quite bewildered by the concept of an automatic gearbox.
 
2013-05-02 12:12:25 AM

fluffy2097: Wake me when they can build an entire appliance.


how about parts?
 
2013-05-02 12:25:17 AM

mr lawson: fluffy2097: Wake me when they can build an entire appliance.

how about parts?


oh yes. I'm sure that one will be on my desktop next week.

Idiot.
 
2013-05-02 12:55:32 AM

HempHead: Staples is putting them in stores now.


There goes another million dollars.
:-(
 
2013-05-02 12:56:36 AM

fluffy2097: oh yes. I'm sure that one will be on my desktop next week.

Idiot.


next week..no
Maybe in a few years...maybe
 
2013-05-02 01:13:38 AM

Stone Meadow: What's wrong with your reading comprehension? No part of that agrees generally with QA about 3d printing. It is clearly defined as my assessment of current consumer grade 3d printing.


Communicating poorly then acting smug when people misunderstand you is pretty douchey behavior, son. Just going from your initial post, it's really hard to tell whether you're agreeing with QA just about current consumer grade 3d printing or whether you're agreeing with him generally about 3d printing.

Anyway, we don't actually seem to disagree. Right now home 3d printing is in its infancy and about as impressive as the first generation of home computers, give it a couple of decades and who knows? We went from this:

upload.wikimedia.org

To this:

upload.wikimedia.org

Pretty quickly. It doesn't sound far-fetched to me that in a generation or so home 3d printers could print with the same resolution as commercial 3d printers can right now, possibly in multiple materials (something conductive that would allow for basic circuitry, for instance). I suspect that would be a technology about as game-changing as the internet or smartphones, and I don't think that I'm being some crazy pie-in-the-sky technophile optimist for thinking that, like QA seems to believe.
 
2013-05-02 02:18:40 AM

KellyX: greed, I did feel it was a crock of shiat and I did contact the mod and was told I should just place him on ignore...




Dems the rules here.

Headline is perfectly acceptable.

/knows nothing
//not over it
 
2013-05-02 02:25:08 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: How many people still even use printers that much in the era of iPhones and tablets and e-ink and whatnot?


Sorry. Sorry. Please, let me breathe. I'm laughing so, so hard at this comment.
 
2013-05-02 02:35:11 AM

fluffy2097: Actually the model T's gearbox was not anything like a modern car.

A model T owner would be quite bewildered by the concept of an automatic gearbox.


Probably no more bewildered that they were when they figured out a planetary gearbox.
 
2013-05-02 02:41:03 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Uncle Tractor: As we all know, 3d printers will forever stay at the level they are right now. There will be no further advancements of that technology.

[i560.photobucket.com image 400x304]

As we all know, further advancements in technology will not make 3D printing obsolete.

ProfessorOhki: C'mon, when you need to print 5 of something, do you use your home inkjet/laser, see if you can buy paper that already has the right words on it, or send a copy of your master off to a printer to have plates made and a press brought up?

Funny how we always end up comparing completely different things. Putting drops of paint on a piece of paper was easy. Do you not see the difference here? How much structural integrity is demanded from a 2D printout?

How many people still even use printers that much in the era of iPhones and tablets and e-ink and whatnot?

Funny how when technology advances it makes certain things obsolete....

But not 3D printing. We'll live in a solid-state digital world with no moving parts because moving parts are so old-fashioned and obsolete...

Except for 3D printers! Then moving parts are fun again!


For all the 'funny' you don't seem to have much of a sense of amusement.
 
2013-05-02 02:42:15 AM

Gunther: Pretty quickly. It doesn't sound far-fetched to me that in a generation or so home 3d printers could print with the same resolution as commercial 3d printers can right now, possibly in multiple materials (something conductive that would allow for basic circuitry, for instance). I suspect that would be a technology about as game-changing as the internet or smartphones, and I don't think that I'm being some crazy pie-in-the-sky technophile optimist for thinking that, like QA seems to believe.


Can I tell a 3D printer to make me a watch, customised to my needs, or a piece of custom jewellery? And not  a bunch of parts - a finished product.

The thing with computers is that all they do is process data from a limited set of inputs and output to a limited set of outputs. An app for entering a tax return or Angry Birds use the same physical IO and the same building blocks. It means they're universally adaptable, which is why computers are so powerful. The closest thing in the real world to software is lego - fitting together is "plug", removing is "unplug" and it's all the same material with a simple connector. But the real world isn't like that. How do you join plastic to metal? Or Metal to wood? You're going to have a machine that does all those aspects of real-world manufacturing, and that isn't going to shrink any more than inkjet printers can shrink beyond the size of a piece of A4.
 
2013-05-02 02:44:52 AM

hardinparamedic: Quantum Apostrophe: How many people still even use printers that much in the era of iPhones and tablets and e-ink and whatnot?

Sorry. Sorry. Please, let me breathe. I'm laughing so, so hard at this comment.


It's all about the cloud now, haven't you heard?
 
2013-05-02 02:53:38 AM

mr lawson: Rezurok: mr lawson: whatshisname: It'll be $49.99 for the printer and $3000 for 16ml of that plastic resin.

Not anymore

That's not resin, it's filament.  Filament already runs as low as $15 per KG, which actually goes a long way.  Unfortunately, filament printing won't give you the high resolution people want for a finished look...it very much looks 3d printed.  The resin he's referring to is light curable epoxy, which enables MUCH better resolution and will cost quite a bit for some time to come.

have you tried a light acetone vapor bath after printing? Makes it look very smooth.


Nah, I don't care much about appearance...I'm a tinkerer, not an artist :p

fluffy2097: This is the year of 3D desktop printing!
Since our 3D printers only run Linux it is also the year of Linux on the desktop!


Wake me when they can build an entire appliance.


They seem to work just fine with windows, fark linux.  And who needs appliances when you can print this?  http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:61796
 
2013-05-02 02:58:10 AM

farkeruk: it's all the same material with a simple connector.


Code is not a bunch of identical bricks, nor are lego creations for that matter.
 
2013-05-02 02:59:50 AM

Rezurok: And who needs appliances when you can print this?


Too bad an advanced artificial intelligence system was not in the requirements for a ceiling lamp. Maybe we can hook it up to the HVAC.
 
2013-05-02 03:20:52 AM

farkeruk: Can I tell a 3D printer to make me a watch, customised to my needs, or a piece of custom jewellery? And not  a bunch of parts - a finished product.


There's an absurd amount of custom jewelry, but no working watches that I'm aware of. People were  printing full size clocks a couple years ago, although some assembly was required at the time. Right now there's been a lot of advances with people making stuff with working parts straight from the 3d printer with no assembly, I'm actually rather curious if someone's managed to make a clock that way yet.

...But anyway, I'm going off on a tangent; the point isn't that the tech is particularly impressive or world-changing  now (it isn't), but rather that it has the potential to become so in a few decades.
 
2013-05-02 06:27:26 AM

ProfessorOhki: Dracolich: Quantum Apostrophe: Then the usual excuses of "yeah but some expensive industrial process that requires three-phase power and a staff of engineers to run is like 3D printing, therefore my glue gun on a stepper motor at home is just the same!" are equally absurd. What is difficult to understand or believe about this?

Since when is three-phase power not a household thing? Also, it's clear you're not an engineer.

In 'murica. AFAIK, it's three phase LV grid, but with single phase 240V drops to homes, split with neutral mid. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


You are correct. 3-phase is only really applicable to high power motors in industry. The complexity increase in wiring houses with 3-phase would overshadow the benefits of using a 3-phase motor in your washing machine or furnace.
 
2013-05-02 09:19:18 AM

Rezurok: mr lawson: whatshisname: It'll be $49.99 for the printer and $3000 for 16ml of that plastic resin.

Not anymore

That's not resin, it's filament.  Filament already runs as low as $15 per KG, which actually goes a long way.  Unfortunately, filament printing won't give you the high resolution people want for a finished look...it very much looks 3d printed.  The resin he's referring to is light curable epoxy, which enables MUCH better resolution and will cost quite a bit for some time to come.


DLP doesn't necessarily have higher resolution that FDM. Further, the larger your object the worse DLP thanks to optics. I good filament based machine can easily print <100 micron layers with an amazing finish. Most people don't bother, though, since it takes considerably longer to finish a print with at layer height and the tradeoff is time vs. quality.

At $15/kg for filament you will regret ever buying it. Things like dimensional tolerance and moisture content are absolutely critical for good results. Or any results, for that matter.

Resin is about $45/liter. In terms of print output it's roughly on par with good quality filament ($30/kg)
=Smidge=
 
2013-05-02 09:46:20 AM

fluffy2097: Stone Meadow: Actually the model T's gearbox was not anything like a modern car.

A model T owner would be quite bewildered by the concept of an automatic gearbox.


A base model Focus has a 5-sp manual 'box, which a Model T driver would have no serious issues operating. And yes, a T's clutch and pedals operate differently to today's cars, but it's nothing one wouldn't catch onto in a moment. I learned to drive a 40's Farmall with T-style pedals and column mounted throttle and spark advance. The transition to a '52 Chevy pickup and later the family car presented no difficulties whatsoever. The larger point remains that even in a rapidly evolving technological environment some technologies will remain persistent long after many of their contemporaries disappear. The form factor may change. Indeed, even the underlying technology may change, but some things are just so useful they will be around for as long as we are.
 
2013-05-02 10:03:57 AM

Gunther: Stone Meadow: What's wrong with your reading comprehension? No part of that agrees generally with QA about 3d printing. It is clearly defined as my assessment of current consumer grade 3d printing.

Communicating poorly then acting smug when people misunderstand you is pretty douchey behavior, son. Just going from your initial post, it's really hard to tell whether you're agreeing with QA just about current consumer grade 3d printing or whether you're agreeing with him generally about 3d printing.

seems to believe.


You grossly misinterpreted my simple declarative sentence, and then persisted when I highlighted where you went awry, and I'm the douchey one? How about this?

almostdumb.com
Oh, and unless you're well into your 80's don't call me son. I'm about to start on my 7th decade.
 
2013-05-02 10:21:51 AM

Uncle Tractor: As we all know, 3d printers will forever stay at the level they are right now. There will be no further advancements of that technology.

i182.photobucket.com
Approves!
/hot
 
2013-05-02 10:49:39 AM

UsikFark: Probably no more bewildered that they were when they figured out a planetary gearbox.


Something like a Smart car would probably scare the jebus out of them though, it changes gear all by itself (other than reverse) as it needs to.   But it'd be a technological marvel scare than the "jesus H christ pick one you farking machine" annoyance Smart drivers often get (at least those with the smaller engined ones, the 750cc's are fine).

I think they'd quickly figure out that D meant Drive forward when faced with a normal automatic.
 
2013-05-02 11:08:21 AM

Smidge204: Rezurok: mr lawson: whatshisname: It'll be $49.99 for the printer and $3000 for 16ml of that plastic resin.

Not anymore

That's not resin, it's filament.  Filament already runs as low as $15 per KG, which actually goes a long way.  Unfortunately, filament printing won't give you the high resolution people want for a finished look...it very much looks 3d printed.  The resin he's referring to is light curable epoxy, which enables MUCH better resolution and will cost quite a bit for some time to come.

DLP doesn't necessarily have higher resolution that FDM. Further, the larger your object the worse DLP thanks to optics. I good filament based machine can easily print <100 micron layers with an amazing finish. Most people don't bother, though, since it takes considerably longer to finish a print with at layer height and the tradeoff is time vs. quality.

At $15/kg for filament you will regret ever buying it. Things like dimensional tolerance and moisture content are absolutely critical for good results. Or any results, for that matter.

Resin is about $45/liter. In terms of print output it's roughly on par with good quality filament ($30/kg)
=Smidge=


Well, it's what I use, and the dimensional accuracy has been great so far...no problems at all with moisture either.  Can't say I regret buying it *shrug*

And where can you get resin for $45?  I was considering playing with a DLP setup but the cost of print material had me running the other way.
 
2013-05-02 11:27:53 AM

Rezurok: Well, it's what I use, and the dimensional accuracy has been great so far...no problems at all with moisture either. Can't say I regret buying it *shrug*


I'd like to see some of your prints. When I say "dimensional accuracy" I'm referring to the filament, not the print. Changes in the diameter, or being oval in cross-section, can make it very difficult to get good results and impossible to get great results.

And where can you get resin for $45? I was considering playing with a DLP setup but the cost of print material had me running the other way.

http://makerjuice.com/  (No affiliation)
=Smidge=
 
2013-05-02 01:02:58 PM

Smidge204: Rezurok: Well, it's what I use, and the dimensional accuracy has been great so far...no problems at all with moisture either. Can't say I regret buying it *shrug*

I'd like to see some of your prints. When I say "dimensional accuracy" I'm referring to the filament, not the print. Changes in the diameter, or being oval in cross-section, can make it very difficult to get good results and impossible to get great results.

And where can you get resin for $45? I was considering playing with a DLP setup but the cost of print material had me running the other way.

http://makerjuice.com/  (No affiliation)
=Smidge=


Hah, unfortunately seeing my prints would do little to tell you the quality of the filament...I don't have everything dialed in for quality yet, since to make the plastic parts I first built a small CNC, then milled an extruder, and I now have a wooden extruder with a hot end made with a drill press jury rigged to an otherwise prusa reprap frame. It works acceptably to make functional parts, but until I get my final extruder and hot-end on there I'm not gonna spend a lot of time trying to make things pretty.  My statements on dimensional accuracy come from measuring quite a bit of the filament with a micrometer...the variance was negligible, within a percent or so, and I haven't had any popping or defects due to moisture.  Maybe I'll find myself hating the filament once the source of defects isn't my own bodges, but thus far I have no complaints.
 
2013-05-02 02:19:17 PM
Stone Meadow:You grossly misinterpreted my simple declarative sentence, and then persisted when I highlighted where you went awry, and I'm the douchey one?

Yes?

You phrased a post in a way that made it look like you were agreeing with someone that you apparently didn't agree with, then when I responded to you you refused to clarify yourself in a smug, douchey way. And now you're posting meme cats. I don't care if you're fifteen or a hundred and fifty, you're still kind of a douche.

Anyway, we apparently don't actually disagree on this topic at all (or at least; you aren't as interested in the topic as you are in this pointless back-and-forth shiat), and an argument over which of us is a douche sounds amazingly boring, so... bye.
 
2013-05-02 03:07:24 PM

Stone Meadow: And yes, a T's clutch and pedals operate differently to today's cars, but it's nothing one wouldn't catch onto in a moment.


I'm sure the operator's manual will indicate which level is the velocitator and which is the deceleratrix, hm?
 
2013-05-02 03:22:29 PM

poot_rootbeer: Stone Meadow: And yes, a T's clutch and pedals operate differently to today's cars, but it's nothing one wouldn't catch onto in a moment.

I'm sure the operator's manual will indicate which level is the velocitator and which is the deceleratrix, hm?


It isn't any great shakes...the three-pedal system we use today (in conventional manual trans cars) is based on that of the T...with a few refinements. Back in the day everyone who replaced their T with an Olds, a Chevy or an A transitioned effortlessly.

BTW, my great-granddad was still driving his '24 T pickup in the late 50's when I was a kid. It was only about 35 years old at the time, about like a 1980 car today.
 
2013-05-02 04:52:49 PM
Nuts to 3-d printers... I think my next project will have to be a useful 3-d scanner.
 
2013-05-02 09:27:02 PM

maxheck: Nuts to 3-d printers... I think my next project will have to be a useful 3-d scanner.


Well, I suppose that's one thing you could do with the scanner/printer combo...
 
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