Marcus Aurelius: jehovahs witness protection: You should see the bill from the taxidermist."He gonna have a heart attack when he sees what I brung him!"
hardinparamedic: graeth: Bullshiat; I understood death at 5; its all on the shoulders of parenting.Well, I'm glad your anecdotal claim as an adult invalidates decades of psychiatric and developmental psychology research on the subject.Good thing we had you come into this thread to clear that up.
dittybopper: ///littlebopper got his first .22 at age 8.
the_immoral_minority: Who was the philosopher that said "There are no accidents"Spot on here
Satanic_Hamster: James!: How farked would that be if the parents did have the toddler stuffed and kept it in the house? Like make the older kid apologize to his stuffed dead sister every day.Can you even do that? I mean, get a person stuffed or have their head mounted?
James!: So the solution to the gun problem is better mental health services in the US but giving a gun to a kinder-gardener is A-OK?
pedrop357: loaba: A 5-yr old should never have had unsupervised access to a loaded weapon. That's it, that's all there is to it. Plain and simple common sense says that any and all gun-based activities should be with an adult. This kid killed his sister and it is completely mom and dad's fault. They were negligent.This.
Rurouni: This isn't a gun issue.This is a parenting issue.The end.
mbillips: Five, dude. Five years old. You can't teach a 5-year-old not to crap his pants with 100 percent success. You buy a rifle for a 5-year-old, you should get a stern talking-to from DFCS. Eight is another thing entirely, but no kid should have unsupervised access to firearms and ammo.
pedrop357: crzybtch: However, if you throw out a vote for a law that gun and cars are banned for all until age 21, you get my vote. Call me an idiot, but I want less dead children.That being said, for you to compare teenagers getting killed in car wrecks versus a FIVE year old killing his little sister with a gun, I think you really need to think a little harder about the difference between the two. Seriously!Vehicles are the cause of death for 4-26 year olds. Lots of small children in there. Far more 4-11 year olds killed in car crashes than killed in gun accidents.Car crashes are the 2nd and/or 3rd leading cause of death for 0-4 year olds. Gun accidents are literally one in a million events.If you actually cared about saving lives, you'd be more interested in the things that 'killed' hundreds of young children and not the thing that 'kills' under 50.
pedrop357: Cupajo: No, but I would certainly criticize parents for allowing their kids to drive cars, and I would most assuredly criticize a company that produces, markets and sells a fully functional car designed especially for 5-year-olds.You really can't be so daft that you don't recognize the difference, right?I do see the difference. But, when kids are left in a car and cause it to move, or snag the keys and cause some kind of injury or death, the parents are blamed and it pretty much ends their. No one starts blaming the "car lobby" or engaging in various diatribes against car ownership or the fact that ANYONE can buy a car.It doesn't happen when parents give their teenager a car either.When guns are involved, you can expect all kinds of half baked attacks on the NRA, gun owners, idiotic strawmen about how if the 2 year old was armed, etc. It's plainly obvious that it's about guns and a political agenda and not about saving lives or protecting children.
Tman144: Why wouldn't you just get the kid a BB gun? What could you possibly be doing at 5 years old that you couldn't do with a BB gun? It's like giving a 5yr old a Kawasaki instead of a tricycle. They're called "baby steps" for a reason.
pedrop357: Lord_Baull: pedrop357: Dusk-You-n-Me: [i.imgur.com image 530x453]I've been assured that nothing can be done and this is just the price we pay for freedom.Don't tell him about the hundreds of kids who die in car crashes.If only there was some sort of government regulation to make cars as safe as possible and limit the number of needless deaths!Yes, and it's doing a wonderful job. Hundreds dead, thousands injured.Repeat with things like pools, bathtubs and buckets and their role in small children drowningGuns which number in the hundreds of millions are responsible for about 40-50 deaths each year, and that is where everyone really wants to focus? Perhaps a little perspective is called for. Parents should be definitely more responsible, but given that we tolerate far more deaths due to accident in other areas, I can't help but wonder why the high priority given to gun accidents.
noitsnot: Itstoearly: hardinparamedic: This was a triumph.I'm making a note here, huge success.It's hard to understate my satisfaction.For the good of all of us...(EXCEPT FOR THOSE THAT ARE DEAD)kbronsito: or neglect to teach a gun owner that you never ever, ever point a gun at another human even if you think it is unloaded (unless your intent is to actually shoot that person)No offense, but perhaps five years old is a little too young to try to teach a child to do anything with a firearm but stay away from them and call an adult if they see one.If he's too young to understand the gravitas of a concept such as death, then he's too young to play with a bang stick.Bull. 5 years is old enough to teach how to properly handle a gun. Not that I would ever trust one alone with one without adult supervision, but a five year old certainly has the mental capacity to learn "Don't point at people or animals, don't hold the trigger unless you are aiming at the paper target, assume there is always a bullet in the gun"No Bull. Have a look here at the emotional development of a five year old. They have not yet learned the concept of death. They cannot yet view the world from another's point of view. They do not understand ethical or moral values.
BraveNewCheneyWorld: Do you have proof that the laws do anything?
Clemkadidlefark: My First Car yields predictable resultshttp://www.nbcnews.com/id/10583657/ns/dateline_nbc/t/car-crash-trail -b roken-lives/Shall we examine Statistics which is deadlier, or just flame gun owners, because that's what the new meme is?
AverageAmericanGuy: You can get your miscarried child mounted in a "memory box"
Shrugging Atlas: What a crazy accident! Just crazy I tells ya!
hardinparamedic: This was a triumph.I'm making a note here, huge success.It's hard to understate my satisfaction.For the good of all of us...(EXCEPT FOR THOSE THAT ARE DEAD)kbronsito: or neglect to teach a gun owner that you never ever, ever point a gun at another human even if you think it is unloaded (unless your intent is to actually shoot that person)No offense, but perhaps five years old is a little too young to try to teach a child to do anything with a firearm but stay away from them and call an adult if they see one.If he's too young to understand the gravitas of a concept such as death, then he's too young to play with a bang stick.
radarlove: When we ban guns for 5-year-olds, only criminal 5-year-olds will have guns!
darth_badger: And all Ralphie got was a Daisy Red Rider BB gun .
Felgraf: This is just a necessary sacrifice of responsible gun ownership. To NOT allow the five year old to have a gun would have been a GRAVE violation of the 2nd amendment.
jehovahs witness protection: You should see the bill from the taxidermist.
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