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(New York Daily News)   Giving five-year-old "My First Rifle" yields predictable results   (nydailynews.com) divider line 613
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2013-05-02 03:51:09 AM  
test the parents for marijuana. it's the only reasonable explanation.

there's a reason guns are legal and weed is not. weed causes these sorts of crazy accidents.

my friend tried weed once and raped a girl. so i never touch the stuff.
 
2013-05-02 05:22:50 AM  
Good farking god! My dad taught me to shoot at 5-years old, and it worked out fine. The gun was a .22 rifle that held ten rounds. We were at a shooting range and I took to it immediately. I understood all the safety rules and had no problem with the trust and responsibility that my dad rightfully judged me to be ready for. This was the 1970's when people weren't so Goddamned stupid!
 
2013-05-02 05:44:03 AM  

7FARK7: Good farking god! My dad taught me to shoot at 5-years old, and it worked out fine. The gun was a .22 rifle that held ten rounds. We were at a shooting range and I took to it immediately. I understood all the safety rules and had no problem with the trust and responsibility that my dad rightfully judged me to be ready for. This was the 1970's when people weren't so Goddamned stupid!


Looks like they were a LOT damn stupider in the 70s.

www.childrensdefense.org
 
2013-05-02 10:08:11 AM  

way south: Maybe its a matter of perspective.
By seven I was playing with Estes model rockets and somehow managed to come away from that with all of my fingers. The concept of "do this wrong and it can kill you" was ingrained in me early, even tho I didn't grow up in a gun owning family.
Did I need to be at a model club learning how to arm a black powder missile?  Probably not.
Was it a fun memory? Hell yea. Playing with model aircraft taught me alot.


From the current Estes catalog:

PLEASE READ-IMPORTANT STUFF!
Estes model rocketry is recommended for ages 10 years and up. Adult supervision is recommended for those under 12 years of age. Unless otherwise speci- fied, all models require assembly. Engines, recovery wadding, igniters and igniter plugs, launch system, glue and finishing supplies are not included with model rocket kits.
 
2013-05-02 02:05:07 PM  

pedrop357: Serious Post on Serious Thread: 1. Dangerous things ought to be regulated to make them less dangerous. Pools and cars are pretty well regulated, and apparently most sane, rational people don't have a problem with that. But proposing similar regulations on guns yields weapons grade whargarbl from gun nuts along the lines of: "But other things kill kids more, so NO GUN REGULATION!" This is not an argument, it is farktarded.

Guns are already regulated, AND they are protected under the 2nd amendment to the constitution, so you may not be able to do to them what you do to pools, cars, etc.


2. Things that are NOT designed to kill and mame people still do and are thus regulated.

We know that, thanks.

So things that ARE designed to kill and mame logically should be regulated even more closely even if the death toll is lower than pools and cars.

That's just your opinion, not logic.  You're proving my point that some people aren't about saving lives as much as they are about adding more restrictions to guns.


That is NOT just an opinion. It's pretty much the DEFINITION of logic. IF A Then B. If C is equal to or greater than A, then also B. ie, if something not designed to be dangerous is regulated b/c it creates a danger then something that IS designed to be dangerous should be regulated.  Again, are you slow?

"But other things kill kids more, so NO GUN REGULATION!" Is not an argument, it is farktarded.

No one is calling for "no gun regulations", you're the only one talking about it.


These are YOUR WORDS: "All of those things have more accidental deaths than guns.

Giving a gun to a 5 year old the way they did was farking stupid and they should have known better.
"


The clear meaning being that b/c other things kill more kids so NO MORE GUN REGULATION. SO STOP LYING YOU LYING LIAR. That is EXACTLY what you are saying.

I am suggesting that we take the same approach to accidental gun deaths that we do with the other more numerous accidental deaths, ie., "We've done what we can do.  Within the limit of rights, cost, etc. we can't do much more without serious encroachment.  The concept of diminishing returns applies to these 1 in a million gun deaths the same way it does other deaths."

Now THAT is an opinion, not logic. And I'm suggesting since the article makes it clear no one is gonna do hard time for arming a 5 yo who shoots someone, then WE HAVE NOT DONE ALL WE CAN DO.
 
2013-05-02 04:14:43 PM  

pedrop357: boyuber: Why are we not making sure that only demonstrably and meticulously safe individuals are the only ones that have firearms in households with small children (and criminals/the criminally insane)?

How would you do that?

It's about as easy as making sure no car ever drives with an unbuckled or un-car seated child.


I don't know. Perhaps, like with vehicles, we require that an examination be passed, and that the operator be licensed? To make sure that the person understands what kind of behavior is expected and acceptable?

Let's take a look at what kind of proficiency is required to obtain and use a rifle in Kentucky:

Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No
Registration of rifles and shotguns? No
Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No
Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No

It would appear that these parents in no way had to demonstrate that they would be fit to possess a firearm in their household. They did not have to pass a firearm safety course, or become certified to indicate that they had even the most tenuous grasp of the responsibilities associated with firearm ownership.

Would any of these steps prevent all firearm-related deaths? Absolutely not. Would it reduce the number of fatalities? Of course. There are two options: do something, or do nothing. I'm putting my eggs in the first basket.
 
2013-05-02 04:18:40 PM  

hemorrhoidal singularity: the_immoral_minority: Who was the philosopher that said "There are no accidents"

Spot on here

That was the turtle in "Kung Fu Panda."

Still spot on.


No, that was Nicholas Angel.

Still spot on.
 
2013-05-02 05:27:52 PM  

noitsnot: Estes model rocketry is recommended for ages 10 years and up.


Recommendations are not laws!
Besides, playing with fire, engines, and electronics is an essential part of a child's education.

/They sell pills to kill babies over the counter but tie the guns up in red tape to save babies.
/We've come to a strange time.
 
2013-05-02 05:37:12 PM  

way south: noitsnot: Estes model rocketry is recommended for ages 10 years and up.

Recommendations are not laws!
Besides, playing with fire, engines, and electronics is an essential part of a child's education.

/They sell pills to kill babies over the counter but tie the guns up in red tape to save babies.
/We've come to a strange time.


This.  I knew quite a few 2nd and 3rd graders who did model rockets, it wasn't just A sized engines.

Looking back it would probably generate nothing but panic and hysteria for 7 and 8 years olds to be walking to a park or the school playground on a weekend with rockets as tall as them that used multiple C and D engines.
 
2013-05-02 07:37:54 PM  

way south: noitsnot: Estes model rocketry is recommended for ages 10 years and up.

Recommendations are not laws!
Besides, playing with fire, engines, and electronics is an essential part of a child's education.

/They sell pills to kill babies over the counter but tie the guns up in red tape to save babies.
/We've come to a strange time.


That comparison might work if eggs, embryos, and fetuses were babies, which they're not.
 
2013-05-02 08:01:30 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: way south: noitsnot: Estes model rocketry is recommended for ages 10 years and up.

Recommendations are not laws!
Besides, playing with fire, engines, and electronics is an essential part of a child's education.

/They sell pills to kill babies over the counter but tie the guns up in red tape to save babies.
/We've come to a strange time.

That comparison might work if eggs, embryos, and fetuses were babies, which they're not.




...yet.
Given time, there's no argument if they would be.
 
2013-05-02 11:43:30 PM  
So I skipped to the end, but this is kind of telling.

The Crickett website is offline. It is not 404ing, it is going to an apache default template. Their page is down.

It was not hacked, they took it down. (speculation, but no reports of ddosing or the normal chatter.)

So even the gun manufacture is acting more responsibly than some in this thread.

Marketing guns to kids is evil.


/grew up hunting.
//got first .22 at 12 after passing qualifiers
///NEVER GOT TO HANDLE GUNS ALONE.
 
2013-05-03 12:18:53 AM  

hardinparamedic: 7FARK7: Good farking god! My dad taught me to shoot at 5-years old, and it worked out fine. The gun was a .22 rifle that held ten rounds. We were at a shooting range and I took to it immediately. I understood all the safety rules and had no problem with the trust and responsibility that my dad rightfully judged me to be ready for. This was the 1970's when people weren't so Goddamned stupid!

Looks like they were a LOT damn stupider in the 70s.

[www.childrensdefense.org image 650x377]


Is that pirates to deaths or snowstorms?  I can't tell.
 
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