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2013-05-01 01:51:33 PM  

pedrop357: TNel: pedrop357: Those deaths are all preventable, yet we end up accepting that the laws, rules, regulations, etc. can only go so far to try and prevent them because the end result is that law abiding, responsible parents who already buckle, use car seats, etc. will bear unfair and needless burdens in this effort to eliminate the remaining deaths.

So you yourself are saying there should be laws and regulations on guns then to help reduce the amount of deaths and accidents just like cars.

Gun accident deaths are pretty rare with the current regulatory system and there are already laws and regulations that try to reduce the amount of deaths and accidents.

Gun ownership is a protected right.  Given that there will always be a small segment of people who act foolishly, recklessly, etc. and there are limits as to how far the law can go to try to stop them we have to accept some amount of preventable deaths, the same way we openly do with cars, pools, bathtubs, etc.


I'm not even sure what you're arguing about anymore. Most people in this thread just want these idiot parents to go to jail for leaving a loaded gun with a 5yr old, not to ban all guns everywhere.

Let's say, in response to this tragedy, a law was proposed to ban the manufacture and sale of guns that look like toys. Would you have a problem with that?
 
2013-05-01 01:51:44 PM  

Bravo Two: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

I have kids. I have loaded guns in my house. All of them secured in quick-access safes which use either biometrics or a combination code that I and my wife and my live-in parents know. The kids do not. The kids are never allowed to handle firearms unless they go to the range, are sat down at the bench, and a firearm is placed on the bench before them with an adult right there.

I also do not give a firearm to anyone under the age of 10. I refuse to teach them, I refuse to help select guns for them, etc. Kids under 10 years of age don't understand the gravity of the item before them.

This is the shiat that i'm most sick about. Crazy guy doing crazy shiat is bad but not something I can change. But when I read about gun owners being so irresponsible as to give a gun to someone who can't even begin to contemplate the nuances of safety or the repercussions of their behavior? No.

This is why I'm all for stiff penalties for this. Safe storage laws. Safety training. Background checks. My 2nd Amendment Rights aren't more important than the lives of a child, and I'll jump through a few hoops to stop this shiat from happening.


Thumbs up. Guy who actually has kids and has his life set up in a responsible manner.

All you nineteen year old knuckleheads posting - take notice.
 
2013-05-01 01:52:16 PM  

pedrop357: Bravo Two: This is why I'm all for stiff penalties for this. Safe storage laws. Safety training. Background checks. My 2nd Amendment Rights aren't more important than the lives of a child, and I'll jump through a few hoops to stop this shiat from happening.

Thing is, these types of parents ignore those laws in the states that have them.  The only people really burdened are the people who don't need them.

You jumping through more hoops doesn't stop it from happening.  Them jumping through these hoops won't stop it if they just disregard the laws/advice and act like idiots anyway.

Our current system of laws has produced an environment where accidental deaths are extremely rare despite the ubiquitous nature of firearms in many households.  The remainder are going to be very difficult to mitigate without serious and draconian steps that STILL may not eliminate of the remaining deaths.

The question is how far are we willing to go to eliminate some or all of less than 50 accidental child deaths in a year?


I know, but this hurts, probably moreso than Sandy Hook. I can't blame a kid doing a bad thing on knowing better -- he didn't. And we teach our kids that this shiat's okay.
 
2013-05-01 01:52:58 PM  

dittybopper: bdub77: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

just one of those 'crazy accidents' i guess. OOPSIE.

Actually, yes, it is.

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.

/Of course, shouldn't have been any ammo in the room
//Should have been very supervised at that age.
///littlebopper got his first .22 at age 8.


You have to be one of the biggest pieces of shiat on this site.  The NRA must be paying you to be such a terrible human being.  If they are not paying you then I pray for your family.
 
2013-05-01 01:54:20 PM  

pedrop357: udhq: pedrop357: THIS is why I bring up cars and things like that.  I want to see if the people in here advocate for broad regulations and engage in the idiotic strawmen and employ the same anti-gun nonsense will do it for other bigger killers of kids, especially when a significant number of the kids killed in crashes, pool accidents, etc. are ALSO the result of idiot parents.

Cars are subject to registry, and that information is made available to almost anyone in federal, state or local government that wants it for any reason.

If you're willing at accept those conditions for gun ownership, then you MIGHT have an argument.

What good does an open registry do to stop preventable deaths from things like unsecured children, unbuckled children, idiotic parent drivers?


Are you on glue?

The entire licensing and registration structure allows for standards to be applied enhancing vehicular safety. The fact that you don't get to install substandard windshield glass in cars for resale, for example, has saved many lives. How is this managed? Licensing and registration. I mean, pick a safety feature, and the registration structure is there to ensure it isn't defeated before sale/resale, and if it is, track down and punish those responsible. And there are laws on the books regarding seatbelts, etc. If you don't wear it, and especially if you don't buckle your children, you will be fined for not wearing it, you could even be prosecuted for endangering the welfare of a child.

You're being deliberately obtuse by demanding the conversation follow the false dichotomy you've created between responsible gun owners and completely irresponsible parents/drivers. Those irresponsible drivers run risk of being fined and prosecuted every time they do that. This is how laws are supposed to work. And it can be easily said that the seat belt laws work - the number of people who don't wear seatbelts has declined decade on decade.

You want to talk about easily preventable deaths? Look at the gun suicides statistic.
 
2013-05-01 01:55:33 PM  
You are born free.
The second amendment places no age restriction on gun ownership.
I have no problem with this.

Cmon, like that kid was going to be an upstanding citizen anyways?

Look at it this way, one less future doner to the NRA.
 
2013-05-01 01:55:35 PM  

freewill: This is less like your kid slipping out the patio door and falling into the pool and more like you standing your kid on the edge of the pool, throwing a toy into the pool, and walking away.


Another would be parents who disable pool alarms or child proof locks because it's too inconvenient.  That, or parents who don't buckle/car seat their kids because "it's just a short trip".

I don't think the parents meant any harm and will give them the benefit of the doubt that they thought nothing bad would happen, BUT they willingly disregarded piles of safety advice about guns in the process, the same way the parent who disables a pool alarm or tosses the kid in the front seat does.

How do we deal with that?
 
2013-05-01 01:55:45 PM  

pedrop357: What good does an open registry do to stop preventable deaths from things like unsecured children, unbuckled children, idiotic parent drivers?


It allows authorities to track multiple infractions and issue citations/suspensions as appropriate.

When I was a kid, my dad once got a ticket because I was not buckled up in the back.  You best believe I knew I was going to get the business if that ever happened again.
 
2013-05-01 01:56:12 PM  

Bravo Two: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

I have kids. I have loaded guns in my house. All of them secured in quick-access safes which use either biometrics or a combination code that I and my wife and my live-in parents know. The kids do not. The kids are never allowed to handle firearms unless they go to the range, are sat down at the bench, and a firearm is placed on the bench before them with an adult right there.

I also do not give a firearm to anyone under the age of 10. I refuse to teach them, I refuse to help select guns for them, etc. Kids under 10 years of age don't understand the gravity of the item before them.

This is the shiat that i'm most sick about. Crazy guy doing crazy shiat is bad but not something I can change. But when I read about gun owners being so irresponsible as to give a gun to someone who can't even begin to contemplate the nuances of safety or the repercussions of their behavior? No.

This is why I'm all for stiff penalties for this. Safe storage laws. Safety training. Background checks. My 2nd Amendment Rights aren't more important than the lives of a child, and I'll jump through a few hoops to stop this shiat from happening.


I like you.

I give you three internet thumbs up. I had to steal one of these thumbs from a hobo, so be grateful.
 
2013-05-01 01:56:45 PM  

James!: Marcus Aurelius: jehovahs witness protection: You should see the bill from the taxidermist.

"He gonna have a heart attack when he sees what I brung him!"

How farked would that be if the parents did have the toddler stuffed and kept it in the house?  Like make the older kid apologize to his stuffed dead sister every day.



Actually, in an extreme sort of way, this makes sense. Make people see the consequences of gun ownership; make it a reminder of the responsibility our 2nd amendment rights carry.
 
2013-05-01 01:58:02 PM  

Tman144: I'm not even sure what you're arguing about anymore. Most people in this thread just want these idiot parents to go to jail for leaving a loaded gun with a 5yr old, not to ban all guns everywhere.

Let's say, in response to this tragedy, a law was proposed to ban the manufacture and sale of guns that look like toys. Would you have a problem with that?


Not saying anyone was interested in banning guns everywhere, am interested in why people are willing to tolerate a certain amount of completely preventable deaths from cars, pools, etc. but not guns.

I would be opposed to a law that banned "guns that look like toys " because such a law would be severely abused in some areas and would have next to no effect on accidental firearm deaths.
 
2013-05-01 01:58:51 PM  
First thought when I saw this article?

Good. Give small children weapons, see what happens. This happens. And I'm okay with that.

/Mostly because the people who are dumb enough to do this will get weeded out, THANKS DARWIN
 
2013-05-01 01:59:42 PM  
The Lexington Herald-Leader reports the weapon - a Crickett branded by makers Keystone Sporting Arms as "My First Rifle" - was given to the boy last year.

assets.nydailynews.com

I wonder if that's a publicly traded company? Ah, it doesn't matter... the story's already five hours old. Too late to buy stock at the cheap, pre-tragedy price. The market will already have priced in the huge bump in expected sales now that one of their kiddie guns has succeeded in killing a kid.

You  know they've already gotten a year's worth of orders today. You  know it.
 
2013-05-01 01:59:59 PM  

Rwa2play: jehovahs witness protection: You should see the bill from the taxidermist.

You're attempts to divert and evade from this tragedy is noted.  Sad and idiotic as they are.


Do you even lift?
 
2013-05-01 02:02:53 PM  

pedrop357: Tman144: I'm not even sure what you're arguing about anymore. Most people in this thread just want these idiot parents to go to jail for leaving a loaded gun with a 5yr old, not to ban all guns everywhere.

Let's say, in response to this tragedy, a law was proposed to ban the manufacture and sale of guns that look like toys. Would you have a problem with that?

Not saying anyone was interested in banning guns everywhere, am interested in why people are willing to tolerate a certain amount of completely preventable deaths from cars, pools, etc. but not guns.

I would be opposed to a law that banned "guns that look like toys " because such a law would be severely abused in some areas and would have next to no effect on accidental firearm deaths.


As has been explained to you six ways from Sunday, because we already do what is necessary and not too onerous to ensure the safety of most products/services. Not that this is total and unimpeachable - new laws are enacted all the time, and occasionally removed as unnecessary. Why is it that guns should be exempt from this? Even just trying to close loopholes in existing gun laws results in a horrendous wailing from the nutters.
 
2013-05-01 02:03:14 PM  
That kid gun safety-trained the shiat out of his little sister.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:20 PM  
dittybopper:

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.


For those of you keeping score at home, that's 48 more people than died at the hands of terrorists in the United States in 2010.
 
2013-05-01 02:04:26 PM  
In other news, popcorn supplies severely depleted.
 
2013-05-01 02:05:23 PM  

caramba421: dittybopper:

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.

For those of you keeping score at home, that's 48 more people than died at the hands of terrorists in the United States in 2010.


-7 people died of terrorism in the US?

Did someone reverse-bomb a morgue?
 
2013-05-01 02:06:25 PM  

dittybopper: bdub77: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

just one of those 'crazy accidents' i guess. OOPSIE.

Actually, yes, it is.

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.

/Of course, shouldn't have been any ammo in the room
//Should have been very supervised at that age.
///littlebopper got his first .22 at age 8.


apologists gonna apologize
 
2013-05-01 02:07:48 PM  

bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.


A reasonable, intelligent gun owner, of course!

\pretty much every gun nut I've met thinks that owning a gun shows responsibility
 
2013-05-01 02:07:55 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: noitsnot: Sofa King Smart: but they're sooooo cute with their little guns...
won' t someone think of the children('s second amendment rights)

[www.addictinginfo.org image 650x422]

btw... don't do a google image search of 'kids with guns'

[www.addictinginfo.org image 650x422]

Most unbelievable image ever. If the girl on the right lets fly, she could take out both the others with the same bullet. And her finger is right at the trigger too.

But wait! There's more. Apparently the same kids with a weapons upgrade.


Once upon a time there were three little girls who went to the police academy and they were each assigned very hazardous duties. But I took them all away from that and now they work for me. My name is Charlie.
 
2013-05-01 02:08:05 PM  

LavenderWolf: As has been explained to you six ways from Sunday, because we already do what is necessary and not too onerous to ensure the safety of most products/services. Not that this is total and unimpeachable - new laws are enacted all the time, and occasionally removed as unnecessary. Why is it that guns should be exempt from this? Even just trying to close loopholes in existing gun laws results in a horrendous wailing from the nutters.


Yes, we do what is necessary and not too onerous.  Implicit in that is that we accept a certain amount of 'failures' ie., preventable deaths.  It would be nice if people applied the same standard to firearms.

Guns ARE heavily regulated-their manufacture, distribution, transfer, possession, etc. are all regulated more than many many things in this country.  Guns have fewer accidental (preventable) deaths than cars, pools, etc. yet we have to hear the guns aren't regulated and people act as though even one death is too many and imply that we need to eliminate all of the accidental deaths when the same standard would be unacceptable and unachievable with any other form of preventable death.
 
2013-05-01 02:09:42 PM  

inglixthemad: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

I gave my kids weapons at that age. The differences:

It was only ever out of the case at the range (or for cleaning, but that I did alone for several years)

I held all the ammo, and only loaded it shortly before firing (and I mean RIGHT before firing)

The child was taught it was a WEAPON THAT KILLS and to NEVER point it at anything other than the target AT THE RANGE.

The weapon was kept locked in a locked case (in a locked safe) with the bolt removed. The bolt was locked (along with my other rifle bolts) in a separate lockbox. Finally the ammo was in a different locked room, each caliber in their own lock boxes.

We didn't take chances. My elders didn't take chances with us either. From pellet rifles to bows to firearms, it was relentlessly drilled into us that they kill whatever they are aimed at so don't point it at anyone EVER.


You know, you raise a point here, and I'm using your post to articulate it, but don't take it personally.

We hear relentlessly about guns being important tools for protecting yourself and your family against, say, intruders. Someone breaks into your house and you nobly blow their farking head off because you are an armed citizen aware of and exercising your second amendment rights.

So, tell me. How the fark do you "protect your family" if you have the guns locked up, the ammo somewhere else, the bolts locked up in a separate place?

Do you ask the intruders nicely: "Please wait for me to assemble my tool of home protection and then stand still so I can kill you"

If a loaded gun isn't immediately accessible and immediately fireable in the event of an intruder - then what is the farking point???

If you just like to have guns to shoot them at a range and so you think having the rest of society suffer the consequences of millions of guns in the hands of whomever is a-okay - go get a different farking hobby!
 
2013-05-01 02:10:56 PM  
Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said the family had not realized a shell was left inside the gun, which was kept in a corner of the house.

All guns are always loaded.

Revealing the shooting would be ruled accidental, White added: "It's just one of those crazy accidents."

No, it is neglect.

/gun nut.
 
2013-05-01 02:11:57 PM  
This isn't a gun issue.

This is a parenting issue.

The end.
 
2013-05-01 02:12:31 PM  

Rurouni: This isn't a gun issue.

This is a parenting issue.

The end.


This.
 
2013-05-01 02:12:34 PM  

pedrop357: LavenderWolf: As has been explained to you six ways from Sunday, because we already do what is necessary and not too onerous to ensure the safety of most products/services. Not that this is total and unimpeachable - new laws are enacted all the time, and occasionally removed as unnecessary. Why is it that guns should be exempt from this? Even just trying to close loopholes in existing gun laws results in a horrendous wailing from the nutters.

Yes, we do what is necessary and not too onerous.  Implicit in that is that we accept a certain amount of 'failures' ie., preventable deaths.  It would be nice if people applied the same standard to firearms.

Guns ARE heavily regulated-their manufacture, distribution, transfer, possession, etc. are all regulated more than many many things in this country.  Guns have fewer accidental (preventable) deaths than cars, pools, etc. yet we have to hear the guns aren't regulated and people act as though even one death is too many and imply that we need to eliminate all of the accidental deaths when the same standard would be unacceptable and unachievable with any other form of preventable death.


You have more accidental gun deaths than any other civilized nation. Your gun laws are looser than any other civilized nation. Your suicide-by-gun rate is worse than any other civilized nation. Homicide-by-gun as well.

Your arguments are simply wrong, as shown by actual reality.
 
2013-05-01 02:12:55 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: James!: How farked would that be if the parents did have the toddler stuffed and kept it in the house? Like make the older kid apologize to his stuffed dead sister every day.

Can you even do that?  I mean, get a person stuffed or have their head mounted?


Well, you can try: see: Jeremy Bentham
 
2013-05-01 02:15:14 PM  

noitsnot: Sofa King Smart: but they're sooooo cute with their little guns...
won' t someone think of the children('s second amendment rights)

[www.addictinginfo.org image 650x422]

btw... don't do a google image search of 'kids with guns'



Most unbelievable image ever. If the girl on the right lets fly, she could take out both the others with the same bullet. And her finger is right at the trigger too.


I was thinking the same thing. That picture should earn the parents a visit from dfs.
 
2013-05-01 02:15:35 PM  

Pista: This page is kind of disturbing really


I like the picture with this little girl the best.
www.crickett.com
"Hold my beer and watch this."
 
2013-05-01 02:17:10 PM  

Rurouni: This isn't a gun issue.

This is a parenting issue.

The end.


Why not both?
 
2013-05-01 02:18:29 PM  

Rurouni: This isn't a gun issue.

This is a parenting issue.

The end.


Yes, if this kid hadn't had access to a gun, he would have just killed his sister some other way.  *snert*
 
2013-05-01 02:18:36 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I blame the movie "Natural Born Killers," and violent video games and boxingfor this.



FTFY.
 
2013-05-01 02:18:49 PM  
IT REALLY PISSES ME OFF THAT THERE ARE MORE PRECAUTIONS TOWARDS A CHILD BUYING A PACK OF CIGARETTES THAN A GUN!  The more I think about it the more I'm pissed off at this stupid retarded redneck shiatty country!
 
2013-05-01 02:20:07 PM  

Bravo Two: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

I have kids. I have loaded guns in my house. All of them secured in quick-access safes which use either biometrics or a combination code that I and my wife and my live-in parents know. The kids do not. The kids are never allowed to handle firearms unless they go to the range, are sat down at the bench, and a firearm is placed on the bench before them with an adult right there.


So, do you live in Detroit, or do you just shiat yourself everytime you see a blah person?
 
2013-05-01 02:20:53 PM  

LavenderWolf: You have more accidental gun deaths than any other civilized nation. Your gun laws are looser than any other civilized nation. Your suicide-by-gun rate is worse than any other civilized nation. Homicide-by-gun as well.

Your arguments are simply wrong, as shown by actual reality.

 Our gun laws are indeed looser than most countries.  Our constitution specifically requires it by forbidding the government from infringing on those rights.
Our suicide rate as a whole is actually lower or on par with quite a few countries.  See South Korea, Japan, Australia

Our non-firearm violence rate is also higher than every 1st world nation.  We're a violent country with issues that transcend guns.

Your arguments are the same anti-gun crap that gets tossed around.  Why the singular focus on firearm suicide when countries with strict gun laws have higher or similar overall suicide rates?  is it really better for a country to have more people kill themselves as long as they don't use guns?

Why ignore the high non-firearm homicide and overall violent crime rate?
 
2013-05-01 02:21:56 PM  

udhq: Rurouni: This isn't a gun issue.

This is a parenting issue.

The end.

Yes, if this kid hadn't had access to a gun, he would have just killed his sister some other way.  *snert*


1.5/10
 
2013-05-01 02:23:51 PM  
More kids will die from birthday cake....

just sayin.

// Both from immediately choking and from obesity as an adult.
 
2013-05-01 02:24:54 PM  

pedrop357: Rurouni: This isn't a gun issue.

This is a parenting issue.

The end.

This.


It's a dead girl issue. It goes beyond the immediate family. The parents are idiots and criminals; society needs to protect little girls from parents like these. That girl deserved more than a headstone that reads "Another hero died for Liberty". She deserved a society that cared enough to put reasonable restrictions on exposing young children to guns BEFORE they are killed.

It is a parent's job to raise their children. But guess what? Many parents don't raise them safely. Like these parents, some don't raise their children at all.

If our culture can wean itself from owning people based on the color of their skin, from treating women as property, from sending children to be worked to death in unsafe employment, then our society can wean itself from the "you can't take mah guns away from me" paranoid opposition to reasonable controls on guns and their ownership. We owe that much to the murdered kids of Newton, this poor girl and all the innocent people killed by guns. And we owe them a swift prosecution of those responsible for their murders and their deaths.
 
2013-05-01 02:25:15 PM  
If they'd just enforce the laws we already have and prosecute that 5 year old as an adult, this never would've happened!
 
2013-05-01 02:26:49 PM  
At least make gun ownership like driver's licenses: ownership at sixteen after a shooting course.
 
2013-05-01 02:26:53 PM  
Daughter of a former cop here, and by that I mean that my dad was the cop who taught other cops about firearms safety and how to shoot. Grandpa was a marine. My brother and I held a rifle for the first time before either of us could remember it.

But here's the thing... Gun safety was HUGE with my dad and grandpa. The fear of guns and what they were capable of was HEAVILY instilled upon us, and if we saw a gun we did not touch it. We called an adult. If we handled a gun, there was someone standing right next to us helping us to aim it properly and to make sure we didn't point it at anything other than a target. My dad to this day will say that you should ALWAYS assume a gun is loaded, even if you are a trained professional. And if there are kids in the house, you want them locked in a gun safe.

Too many people will buy a gun with no clue as to how to use it properly-- much less taking the time to sign up for gun safety classes. It does you no good if you don't know how to use it, folks. Recoil is the least of your worries.
 
2013-05-01 02:27:05 PM  

LavenderWolf: caramba421: dittybopper:

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.

For those of you keeping score at home, that's 48 more people than died at the hands of terrorists in the United States in 2010.

-7 people died of terrorism in the US?

Did someone reverse-bomb a morgue?


Yes.
 
2013-05-01 02:27:07 PM  

spiderpaz: mjohnson71: BadReligion: This kind of rifle is very hard to accidently fire. The bolt not only has to be closed, but it also has to be manually cocked. I am thinking the parents must have left the rifle completely at the ready.

This is the only explanation and why these parents should be arrested.

When I was a kid my Ruger 10-22 was kept is a locked guncase and the ammo stored in a separate locked case in another room.

THIS.  If you have kids and you have guns ... get a damn gunsafe (and lock the farker).  They shouldn't be able to "play" with their guns unless you are somewhere shooting with them, or teaching them to clean it.  God forbid you should actually do some parenting.  It's not like leaving them alone with an erector set so you can watch TV ... it's a damn gun.  When they're teenagers and they've proven they can be responsible enough to go out alone with them - fine.  Even then, no minor should be able to just go grab one any time they want without asking.  But a 5 year old has no business touching a firearm without an adult supervising everything and actively making it a learning experience.

Unfortunately we have people in this country that are too stupid to operate a DVR, much less how to safely handle and own weapons.  And THOSE are the kinds of people buying their kids guns WAY too early.

/They're also the type that only own pistols and AR15's, and like guns because they're "cool" instead of "useful"


A gun safe will not only keep your kids out of your guns, if it is big and heavy enough it will keep burglars from stealing your guns as well.
 
2013-05-01 02:27:58 PM  
The Crickett gun in question actually has a built in lock and should have been used AND shouldn't have been left so that a child could reach it. If the parents had simply used the lock that is already built in to the gun, the 2 year old would still be alive.
 
2013-05-01 02:28:02 PM  

udhq: pedrop357: Dusk-You-n-Me: [i.imgur.com image 530x453]

I've been assured that nothing can be done and this is just the price we pay for freedom.

Don't tell him about the hundreds of kids who die in car crashes.

When guns are subject to even a fraction of the regulation that cars are, then you MIGHT have an argument here.....


No, there is no point here and no equivalence.

A car's sole purpose is transportation. A car is built and regulated to maximize safety, but some deaths will still occur and have to be acceptable (while still attempting in many different ways from laws to safety devices to minimize them) because the purpose of transportation is so important.

A gun's purpose is to kill. There is no other purpose, and it is built with the sole intent to be as deadly as possible. It is also minimally regulated. Millions of deaths occur and that is not acceptable because there IS NO OVERRIDING PURPOSE.
 
2013-05-01 02:28:31 PM  

pedrop357: Jairzinho: pedrop357: Since cars, pools, parents, etc. kill far more children than guns, why the obsession with guns?

Q: Which of the following were invented to inflict harm and death?

a- cars
b- pools
c- guns

I suppose you want the answer c, so I'll give you that.

What's great about the order you placed those in, is that it's the same rank those things have in accidental deaths and injuries of small children.

The one thing "invented to inflict harm and death " is responsible for much less of it than things not invented for that purpose.

I guess when it comes to focusing on the things that kill and injure small children, their welfare takes a backseat (no pun intended) to more agenda pushing.


Much like the agenda you're pushing... in pretty much every single one of your posts.

We get it. But this is a thread about a 5-year old who shot a 2-year old. With a rifle. Produced by a company that markets their product to children. Surprise, you'll find most people here talking about things related to this incident.
 
2013-05-01 02:29:15 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: noitsnot: Sofa King Smart: but they're sooooo cute with their little guns...
won' t someone think of the children('s second amendment rights)

[www.addictinginfo.org image 650x422]

btw... don't do a google image search of 'kids with guns'

[www.addictinginfo.org image 650x422]

Most unbelievable image ever. If the girl on the right lets fly, she could take out both the others with the same bullet. And her finger is right at the trigger too.

But wait! There's more. Apparently the same kids with a weapons upgrade.


I've seen a few shops in my time
 
2013-05-01 02:31:38 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: TheShavingofOccam123: noitsnot: Sofa King Smart: but they're sooooo cute with their little guns...
won' t someone think of the children('s second amendment rights)

[www.addictinginfo.org image 650x422]

btw... don't do a google image search of 'kids with guns'

[www.addictinginfo.org image 650x422]

Most unbelievable image ever. If the girl on the right lets fly, she could take out both the others with the same bullet. And her finger is right at the trigger too.

But wait! There's more. Apparently the same kids with a weapons upgrade.

I've seen a few shops in my time


Let's not cloud the issue with facts. It does look a little shopped. The scope on the AR-15 looks a little out of perspective.
 
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