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2013-05-01 01:06:54 PM
First rifle at 5.
First BB gun at 8.
First full auto 9.
Never a single 'accident'.
Never a problem.

/gutting and skinning a 2 or 3 year old is too much work.
//not enough meat.
///ticket to hell please
 
2013-05-01 01:07:21 PM

pedrop357: crzybtch: However, if you throw out a vote for a law that gun and cars are banned for all until age 21, you get my vote. Call me an idiot, but I want less dead children.

That being said, for you to compare teenagers getting killed in car wrecks versus a FIVE year old killing his little sister with a gun, I think you really need to think a little harder about the difference between the two. Seriously!

Vehicles are the cause of death for 4-26 year olds.  Lots of small children in there.  Far more 4-11 year olds killed in car crashes than killed in gun accidents.

Car crashes are the 2nd and/or 3rd leading cause of death for 0-4 year olds.  Gun accidents are literally one in a million events.

If you actually cared about saving lives, you'd be more interested in the things that 'killed' hundreds of young children and not the thing that 'kills' under 50.


OMFG!!! seriously? another but car/toaster/baseball bats kill more kids retortt!

www.troll.me
 
2013-05-01 01:07:25 PM

inglixthemad: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

I gave my kids weapons at that age. The differences:

It was only ever out of the case at the range (or for cleaning, but that I did alone for several years)

I held all the ammo, and only loaded it shortly before firing (and I mean RIGHT before firing)

The child was taught it was a WEAPON THAT KILLS and to NEVER point it at anything other than the target AT THE RANGE.

The weapon was kept locked in a locked case (in a locked safe) with the bolt removed. The bolt was locked (along with my other rifle bolts) in a separate lockbox. Finally the ammo was in a different locked room, each caliber in their own lock boxes.

We didn't take chances. My elders didn't take chances with us either. From pellet rifles to bows to firearms, it was relentlessly drilled into us that they kill whatever they are aimed at so don't point it at anyone EVER.


OK, so you seem like a truly reasonable gun owner and, as the article clearly proves, there are some truly dumb gun owners out there.  Would you be OK with making common sense safety measures like the ones you just mentioned a legal requirement for parents who buy their kids guns?
 
2013-05-01 01:07:32 PM

jaytkay: BraveNewCheneyWorld: if you think murder laws are preventing murders, you're an idiot.

If murder were legal, you believe that killings would not increase from failed marriages, failed business deals and bar fights .

I'm not the idiot.


He's still mad Benghazi isn't a scandal. You have to be easy on him. The precious little flower.
 
2013-05-01 01:07:36 PM

mizchief: BraveNewCheneyWorld: jaytkay: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Do you have proof that the laws do anything?

We really need to eliminate homicide laws. We're punishing the responsible killers while criminals will kill regardless of the law.

We still need to punish murderers, so in that regard, the law serves a purpose, but if you think murder laws are preventing murders, you're an idiot.

The issue is that a law banning murder does not an innocent person from defending themselves, where a law banning the tools used in murder do.


Beyond that, gun laws are of questionable usefulness in preventing gun crime because you're dealing with a subset of the population that has already chosen to commit a crime and risk the associated penalties, including a criminal record following them around. Whatever they feel like they have to lose is already small enough to justify whatever they're about to do, and a sentencing enhancement is not the biggest number in this equation.

The existence of the criminal penalty itself, though, looms larger. The idea that murders are not deterred by the criminalization of murder, that there are not large numbers of people who would commit violence against their fellow man if they knew they were going to get away with it, seems like an incredibly optimistic read on human nature, and one that runs contrary to everything we believe about people and have built our entire civilization on.
 
2013-05-01 01:07:45 PM
If you can't afford a safe, you can't afford as gun.
 
2013-05-01 01:07:52 PM

markb289: Kids often have a necessity to go places in cars. No child has a necessity to possess a rifle.


So, we get parents to not let their kids have their own rifles in their room and we might cut down some of the accidental deaths among children.  We might save 10-12 lives, as most kids don't have loaded rifles in their room or in the corner, but find guns in other places that belong to other people.

Now, if we could get away from this idea that kids NEED to go places in cars, we might save hundreds, maybe thousands.

Maybe we don't have to keep kids out of cars, we just have to find some way to get that small segment of parents who don't use seat belts or car seats or drive dangerously with the their kids in the car to start acting more responsibly.  The hard part is reaching them and changing their behavior without unduly and excessively burdening all the parents who already to know to do all that and don't need to be told.  We'll also have to accept that we won't save all kids from accidents and are only really trying to cut down on the preventable deaths while also not unfairly burdening the rest of parents who already do the right thing.
 
2013-05-01 01:08:23 PM

pedrop357: THIS is why I bring up cars and things like that.  I want to see if the people in here advocate for broad regulations and engage in the idiotic strawmen and employ the same anti-gun nonsense will do it for other bigger killers of kids, especially when a significant number of the kids killed in crashes, pool accidents, etc. are ALSO the result of idiot parents.



None of your posts do this, thankfully.
 
2013-05-01 01:09:17 PM

dittybopper: bdub77: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

just one of those 'crazy accidents' i guess. OOPSIE.

Actually, yes, it is.

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.

/Of course, shouldn't have been any ammo in the room
//Should have been very supervised at that age.
///littlebopper got his first .22 at age 8.


Uh, no. Look, shiat might have worked for you, but VERY few young children have the maturity/responsible parentage to own a firearm. This isn't an accident. Someone gave the kid a gun and let him just go play with it.

It takes some astounding mental gymnastics to call this an "accident" and not "criminal negligence on the part of the parents."
 
2013-05-01 01:09:48 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: sammyk: pedrop357: Dusk-You-n-Me: [i.imgur.com image 530x453]

I've been assured that nothing can be done and this is just the price we pay for freedom.

Don't tell him about the hundreds of kids who die in car crashes.

You know, I grew up around guns. Hunted most of my life and I do in fact support the 2nd amendment. The rest of us reasonable and rational gun owners really wish guys like you would STFU. You are not helping. Your argument is the worst kind of nonsense and everyone see's through your lame attempt to change the subject.

Weird, because I wish the douchebags who insist that "the laws don't stop all crime anyway herp derp" would stop spreading their bullshiat everywhere.  Huh.


Oh I agree with you %100 on that.
 
2013-05-01 01:10:12 PM

pedrop357: markb289: Kids often have a necessity to go places in cars. No child has a necessity to possess a rifle.

So, we get parents to not let their kids have their own rifles in their room and we might cut down some of the accidental deaths among children.  We might save 10-12 lives, as most kids don't have loaded rifles in their room or in the corner, but find guns in other places that belong to other people.

Now, if we could get away from this idea that kids NEED to go places in cars, we might save hundreds, maybe thousands.

Maybe we don't have to keep kids out of cars, we just have to find some way to get that small segment of parents who don't use seat belts or car seats or drive dangerously with the their kids in the car to start acting more responsibly.  The hard part is reaching them and changing their behavior without unduly and excessively burdening all the parents who already to know to do all that and don't need to be told.  We'll also have to accept that we won't save all kids from accidents and are only really trying to cut down on the preventable deaths while also not unfairly burdening the rest of parents who already do the right thing.


It's like a textbook exercise in apologetics.
 
2013-05-01 01:10:20 PM

markb289: No 5 Year Old should have a rifle or any firearm. There's a reason 5 Year Olds are not held legally responsible for their actions. It is because they do not have the maturity to weigh the consequences of decisions and the relationship of cause and effect


I said something similar in an earlier post, I was just pointing out in Canada you're required to go through a course to get a license to purchase firearms, plus I believe you after to be at least 18.  much like driving a vehicle.
 
2013-05-01 01:10:48 PM
This kind of rifle is very hard to accidently fire. The bolt not only has to be closed, but it also has to be manually cocked. I am thinking the parents must have left the rifle completely at the ready.
 
2013-05-01 01:11:20 PM

mbillips: Five, dude. Five years old. You can't teach a 5-year-old not to crap his pants with 100 percent success. You buy a rifle for a 5-year-old, you should get a stern talking-to from DFCS. Eight is another thing entirely, but no kid should have unsupervised access to firearms and ammo.


Well certainly not the ammo. It's a choking hazard.
 
2013-05-01 01:12:34 PM
before anyone goes sideways, you don't have to be 18 (16) to drive but I do believe now you don't get your full fledged drivers license until then.
 
2013-05-01 01:12:56 PM

Haliburton Cummings: 'The county coroner local hick has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

hicks + no education + guns = funeral party

losers


I'm guessing the county coroner in that neck of the woods is also the local veterinarian as well as working for the highway department that cleans up roadkill.
 
2013-05-01 01:13:09 PM

LavenderWolf: dittybopper: bdub77: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

just one of those 'crazy accidents' i guess. OOPSIE.

Actually, yes, it is.

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.

/Of course, shouldn't have been any ammo in the room
//Should have been very supervised at that age.
///littlebopper got his first .22 at age 8.

Uh, no. Look, shiat might have worked for you, but VERY few young children have the maturity/responsible parentage to own a firearm. This isn't an accident. Someone gave the kid a gun and let him just go play with it.

It takes some astounding mental gymnastics to call this an "accident" and not "criminal negligence on the part of the parents."


We can stop piling on him now - he's not sticking his head back up anytime soon (in this thread...)
 
2013-05-01 01:13:57 PM

Der Poopflinger: before anyone goes sideways, you don't have to be 18 (16) to drive but I do believe now you don't get your full fledged drivers license until then.


That depends completely on your specific locality.
 
2013-05-01 01:14:11 PM

pedrop357: Tman144: pedrop357: Cupajo: No, but I would certainly criticize parents for allowing their kids to drive cars, and I would most assuredly criticize a company that produces, markets and sells a fully functional car designed especially for 5-year-olds.
You really can't be so daft that you don't recognize the difference, right?

I do see the difference.  But, when kids are left in a car and cause it to move, or snag the keys and cause some kind of injury or death, the parents are blamed and it pretty much ends their.  No one starts blaming the "car lobby" or engaging in various diatribes against car ownership or the fact that ANYONE can buy a car.
It doesn't happen when parents give their teenager a car either.

When guns are involved, you can expect all kinds of half baked attacks on the NRA, gun owners, idiotic strawmen about how if the 2 year old was armed, etc.  It's plainly obvious that it's about guns and a political agenda and not about saving lives or protecting children.

Let me know when Ford starting making and marketing fully functional cars for 5yr olds. Then I'll blame the "car lobby"

One small gun maker marketing guns to PARENTS for their children is not the totality of the gun industry, and not like Ford doing it.


Fine, then find me ONE car company who makes fully functioning cars for 5yr olds. Also, all things designed for children are marketed to those kids parents. Kids don't have any money, their parents do.
 
2013-05-01 01:14:30 PM

theknuckler_33: You do realize that there ARE laws about buckling up and having children in car seats, etc. I got pulled over for speeding in NY several years ago on a trip to NH and the cop was about to ticket me for my daughter not being in a car seat (she was about 6), but she was in a booster seat and just had a blanket over her lap so the cop didn't see it.


There are laws about buckling up and child seats, just like there are laws about storing firearms,  In the absence of laws about storing firearms, there are laws about recklessness and/or neglect.

The point being that these kinds of laws are hard to ratchet up to the point of dealing with these parents who actually cause the problems without needlessly restricting the parents who don't and comprise the vast majority of parents.

We seem to accept quite a few children dying in car crashes despite quite a few being preventable because we realize that the methods needed to go after those remaining preventable deaths would have to be incredibly draconian.

Many here don't apply that kind of thinking to guns.  They don't realize that the kind of parent who does what these parents did is extremely rare.  They also seem to take the position that anything goes to stop these preventable (but still 1 in a million)  deaths.
The contrast between this position and the position (or lack thereof) when it comes to similarly preventable deaths that are also more common cannot be overlooked.
 
2013-05-01 01:15:01 PM
Lord_Baull: Look up the terms "windshield horse collar effect", then get back to me.

I just tried and failed.
What is it?
 
2013-05-01 01:15:10 PM

pedrop357: Maybe we don't have to keep kids out of cars, we just have to find some way to get that small segment of parents who don't use seat belts or car seats or drive dangerously with the their kids in the car to start acting more responsibly.  The hard part is reaching them and changing their behavior without unduly and excessively burdening all the parents who already to know to do all that and don't need to be told.  We'll also have to accept that we won't save all kids from accidents and are only really trying to cut down on the preventable deaths while also not unfairly burdening the rest of parents who already do the right thing.



Getting law-abiding parents to buckle up their children is such an unfair burden.
 
2013-05-01 01:15:20 PM
It's time to repeal the second amendment.
 
2013-05-01 01:15:21 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Lord_Baull: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Yeah, because making alcohol illegal for people under 21 stops them from drinking and driving.. and dying over a thousand times each year.  Oh wait, it doesn't.

And the number would be what without those laws? Higher, maybe? Your position that we should do nothing because current laws are not 100% effective is, well, stupid.

Do you have proof that the laws do anything?  Do teenagers care that alcohol is illegal?  Do they care that drinking and driving is illegal?


img.photobucket.com

You guys are actually trying engage this loose stool on his "points"?
 
2013-05-01 01:15:27 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: crzybtch: Well you are the one that decided to equate a 5 year old with a gun to sales of alcohol, so I call that a fail.

I call your reading comprehension a fail.


Ooooooooooooooo  good one, I think you are right, I am going to go out and buy a gun for a five year old and make sure it is loaded too.   Makes so much more sense than a new bike, or legos, or a kite, or puzzles, any number of toys that he can't kill his sister with.
 
2013-05-01 01:15:46 PM

pedrop357: Exactly how does anyone here propose to deal with these 40-50 accidental deaths each year? Then, tell me how you can do it without yet another rule/regulation that will only add yet another burden to the types of people who don't need while also not really doing about the careless idiots. Then, are you willing to engage in the same kind of effort for all those preventable deaths from car crashes and drownings like I described above?


There are more laws and restrictions on everything you post than we do with guns.  The fact that all the other items you talk about are normally needed for everyday life whereas a gun is not.  Then there's the fact that NOBODY is saying there should be more regulation.  Quote a post please.  Should there be a law, hell yeah there should be one saying a 5 year old should never be left unsupervised with a gun; but god forbid anyone try because that would infringe on the only part of the constitution you care about.

So the only thing we can hope is you idiots can get it the message out to all the other idiots that it's not a good idea to leave guns laying around in a household of children.  Maybe have the NRA fight that battle instead of some imaginary "Obama's coming for our guns".
 
2013-05-01 01:16:05 PM

Sofa King Smart: but they're sooooo cute with their little guns...
won' t someone think of the children('s second amendment rights)

[www.addictinginfo.org image 650x422]

btw... don't do a google image search of 'kids with guns'


www.addictinginfo.org

Most unbelievable image ever. If the girl on the right lets fly, she could take out both the others with the same bullet. And her finger is right at the trigger too.
 
2013-05-01 01:16:44 PM

theknuckler_33: pedrop357: How many unbuckled, un-car seated kids are killed each year?  All of those are preventable, yet the only way to deal with them would be largely invasive and infringing upon the vast majority that don't need to be told again to buckle up or use car seats.

You do realize that there ARE laws about buckling up and having children in car seats, etc. I got pulled over for speeding in NY several years ago on a trip to NH and the cop was about to ticket me for my daughter not being in a car seat (she was about 6), but she was in a booster seat and just had a blanket over her lap so the cop didn't see it.


I think it's hilarious when gun nutters (that is, single-issue idiots who can't see the forest what with all the damn trees in the way) compare gun laws to car laws, as though guns are anywhere near as regulated in the US.
 
2013-05-01 01:16:51 PM

hardinparamedic: pedrop357: markb289: Kids often have a necessity to go places in cars. No child has a necessity to possess a rifle.

So, we get parents to not let their kids have their own rifles in their room and we might cut down some of the accidental deaths among children.  We might save 10-12 lives, as most kids don't have loaded rifles in their room or in the corner, but find guns in other places that belong to other people.

Now, if we could get away from this idea that kids NEED to go places in cars, we might save hundreds, maybe thousands.

Maybe we don't have to keep kids out of cars, we just have to find some way to get that small segment of parents who don't use seat belts or car seats or drive dangerously with the their kids in the car to start acting more responsibly.  The hard part is reaching them and changing their behavior without unduly and excessively burdening all the parents who already to know to do all that and don't need to be told.  We'll also have to accept that we won't save all kids from accidents and are only really trying to cut down on the preventable deaths while also not unfairly burdening the rest of parents who already do the right thing.

It's like a textbook exercise in apologetics.


The intellectual dishonesty of not acknowledging the miriad laws on the books for car/driver/passenger/road safety that are designed to do exactly what he is saying is stunning.
 
2013-05-01 01:16:52 PM

pedrop357: crzybtch: However, if you throw out a vote for a law that gun and cars are banned for all until age 21, you get my vote. Call me an idiot, but I want less dead children.

That being said, for you to compare teenagers getting killed in car wrecks versus a FIVE year old killing his little sister with a gun, I think you really need to think a little harder about the difference between the two. Seriously!

Vehicles are the cause of death for 4-26 year olds.  Lots of small children in there.  Far more 4-11 year olds killed in car crashes than killed in gun accidents.

Car crashes are the 2nd and/or 3rd leading cause of death for 0-4 year olds.  Gun accidents are literally one in a million events.

If you actually cared about saving lives, you'd be more interested in the things that 'killed' hundreds of young children and not the thing that 'kills' under 50.


Can't we care about both?
 
2013-05-01 01:17:27 PM

BadReligion: This kind of rifle is very hard to accidently fire. The bolt not only has to be closed, but it also has to be manually cocked. I am thinking the parents must have left the rifle completely at the ready.


This is the only explanation and why these parents should be arrested.

When I was a kid my Ruger 10-22 was kept is a locked guncase and the ammo stored in a separate locked case in another room.
 
2013-05-01 01:17:42 PM
He should have shot his idiot parents instead
 
2013-05-01 01:19:03 PM

HotWingConspiracy: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Lord_Baull: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Yeah, because making alcohol illegal for people under 21 stops them from drinking and driving.. and dying over a thousand times each year.  Oh wait, it doesn't.

And the number would be what without those laws? Higher, maybe? Your position that we should do nothing because current laws are not 100% effective is, well, stupid.

Do you have proof that the laws do anything?  Do teenagers care that alcohol is illegal?  Do they care that drinking and driving is illegal?

[img.photobucket.com image 200x219]

You guys are actually trying engage this loose stool on his "points"?


He's right, though. Laws do nothing. There's no difference between the USA and Somalia. Teenagers don't care that drinking is illegal - that's why they never try to hide that activity.
 
2013-05-01 01:19:51 PM
No one needs to go to jail over this. The fact that your actions led to your child's death is enough. You will think about that every day. They should never own a gun again though. They lost that right with the you're too stupid sub clause in the 2nd.

/was target shooting as a kid. Guns were locked up otherwise though
 
2013-05-01 01:19:55 PM

tuna fingers: Lord_Baull: Look up the terms "windshield horse collar effect", then get back to me.

I just tried and failed.
What is it?


It's what would happen to people that rammed their head through the windshield during a head-on collision.
The head would go through, then the inertia would bring the body back into the car, effectively decapitating the victim. This was due to the type of glass used in windshields. Laws were put in place to make car manufactures use the type of glass that shatters into tiny pieces.
 
2013-05-01 01:20:49 PM

theknuckler_33: The intellectual dishonesty of not acknowledging the miriad laws on the books for car/driver/passenger/road safety that are designed to do exactly what he is saying is stunning.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-05-01 01:21:23 PM

Lord_Baull: pedrop357: Maybe we don't have to keep kids out of cars, we just have to find some way to get that small segment of parents who don't use seat belts or car seats or drive dangerously with the their kids in the car to start acting more responsibly.  The hard part is reaching them and changing their behavior without unduly and excessively burdening all the parents who already to know to do all that and don't need to be told.  We'll also have to accept that we won't save all kids from accidents and are only really trying to cut down on the preventable deaths while also not unfairly burdening the rest of parents who already do the right thing.


Getting law-abiding parents to buckle up their children is such an unfair burden.


It's not a burden and I never said was, you farking moron.

The point is that some parents STILL choose not to buckle or car seat their children despite the warnings, advocacy, etc. about it.

Those deaths are all preventable, yet we end up accepting that the laws, rules, regulations, etc. can only go so far to try and prevent them because the end result is that law abiding, responsible parents who already buckle, use car seats, etc. will bear unfair and needless burdens in this effort to eliminate the remaining deaths.

That kind of understanding seems to be lost when it comes to preventable deaths from firearms.  They are exceptionally rare, yet the solutions tossed out are basically "by any means" necessary.  Why not apply that same level of enforcement or advocacy to the more numerous preventable deaths in other areas as well?
 
2013-05-01 01:22:00 PM
dittybopper:
Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).


What's the number from last year? Is it higher?

/got my first rifle at 5. Was instructed how to use it and only in presence of adults.
 
2013-05-01 01:22:08 PM

hardinparamedic: t's like a textbook exercise in apologetics.


It's almost like you don't have a response.
 
2013-05-01 01:22:26 PM
The statement that produces the most rage - "Well we didn't realize it was loaded."

Rules for parenting include turning the handles of hot pots & pans so kids can't reach them, making sure you didn't leave your steak knife on the edge of the counter, and CHECKING YOUR TODDLER'S RIFLE FOR AMMUNITION before leaving them unsupervised "for just a few minutes".
 
2013-05-01 01:22:50 PM
Wow. Disgusting and sad. WTF is wrong with gun nuts?
 
2013-05-01 01:23:16 PM
If gun death stories keep showing up in the news, the next election cycle will be interesting indeed. Gun deaths like this have have always happened because... well because people are Morans and guns kill. The fact that news media reports on them more now reflects the interest of the readers and that interest means that guns will be a part of the conversation for the next election cycle. If  these lines stabilize and don't return to last year's level, we'll move on legislation after the next election cycle.
 
2013-05-01 01:23:28 PM

justanotherfarkinfarker: No one needs to go to jail over this. The fact that your actions led to your child's death is enough. You will think about that every day. They should never own a gun again though. They lost that right with the you're too stupid sub clause in the 2nd.

/was target shooting as a kid. Guns were locked up otherwise though


Sure they should. What they did was criminally negligent, and lead to the death of their child, and will tramatize the other child. I can promise you, this gun as left not only unlocked(this type of gun has a built in lock that makes it so the bolt can't close), but also left it loaded and most likely even cocked. They deserve punishment above "my kid just died and I can't take it".
 
2013-05-01 01:23:47 PM

Clemkadidlefark: My First Car yields predictable results

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10583657/ns/dateline_nbc/t/car-crash-trail -b roken-lives/

Shall we examine Statistics which is deadlier, or just flame gun owners, because that's what the new meme is?


1.3 deaths per 100 MILLION mile driven in 2010. Sure, lets talk about it.
 
2013-05-01 01:23:59 PM

pedrop357: It's almost like you don't have a response.


I got tired of typing out posts to you and being ignored, so I figured I'd do the next best thing and mock you for your incredible intellectual dishonesty and mental gymnastics.

bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-01 01:24:14 PM

Stoj: The statement that produces the most rage - "Well we didn't realize it was loaded."

Rules for parenting include turning the handles of hot pots & pans so kids can't reach them, making sure you didn't leave your steak knife on the edge of the counter, and CHECKING YOUR TODDLER'S RIFLE FOR AMMUNITION before leaving them unsupervised "for just a few minutes".


Their lack of actual knowledge that it was loaded seems like the only thing that should let them off easy with negligent homicide.
 
2013-05-01 01:24:19 PM

pedrop357: hardinparamedic: t's like a textbook exercise in apologetics.

It's almost like you don't have a response.



Your lucky anyone is responding to you.
 
2013-05-01 01:24:28 PM

jaytkay: BraveNewCheneyWorld: if you think murder laws are preventing murders, you're an idiot.

If murder were legal, you believe that killings would not increase from failed marriages, failed business deals and bar fights .

I'm not the idiot.


I'mma have to agree with jaytkay on this one.
 
2013-05-01 01:25:15 PM

TNel: Should there be a law, hell yeah there should be one saying a 5 year old should never be left unsupervised with a gun; but god forbid anyone try because that would infringe on the only part of the constitution you care about.


Nearly every state has such a law.  Even without an explicit law, it would seem that neglect and/or reckless endangerment laws would cover it.

I'm also going after the trolling morons with their comments like "if only the 2 year old was carrying" or "blah blah, signed the NRA"

Unlike all the other preventable deaths that I've talked about, it's not just the parents that are responsible for blatantly tossing caution and good sense to the wind, it's the NRA and gunmakers, etc.
 
2013-05-01 01:25:21 PM
It's a real working rifle! You know, for kids!
 
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