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2013-05-01 12:01:53 PM  

ristst: And all these Ted Nuget-type hunting shows say "take a kid hunting".  It's one of their major themes.


If you look at the statistics gun makers have to push this, since many fewer kids are hunting than they used to.  If you don't get people started on guns early they tend not to buy them later.  It's also the reason they are so protective of the various "military weapons" like the AR15- most of their profit is there since the hunting market is declining.  (Plus most hunters I know don't own arsenals- they typically have 2-3 rifles in different calibers, not the loaded gun safes you see posted here from time to time)
 
2013-05-01 12:02:01 PM  
Shut up and buy more guns ya pussys.
 
2013-05-01 12:02:23 PM  

dittybopper: bdub77: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

just one of those 'crazy accidents' i guess. OOPSIE.

Actually, yes, it is.

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.

/Of course, shouldn't have been any ammo in the room
//Should have been very supervised at that age.
///littlebopper got his first .22 at age 8.


Only 41 kids dead?  Oh, then no problem.  Lets keep kids and guns together.

Or maybe....ZERO kids dead might be a better idea??

Like it would RUIN someone's life if they didn't touch a gun til they are 21?  Seriously??
 
2013-05-01 12:02:41 PM  
csb time:
When my brother was around 13 and I was 10, we were home alone and he got the bright idea to take my Dad's double barrell shotgun and wait until I can around the corner and jerk it closed to scare me - long story short both barrell's blew a hole in the wall right above my head.  I almost became a statistic that day.

/couldn't hear out of my right ear for a while
//required a change of underwear
 
2013-05-01 12:02:41 PM  
Darwin awards.
 
2013-05-01 12:03:10 PM  
More guns for morons! Let Darwin sort this out.
 
2013-05-01 12:03:12 PM  

pseudoscience: doyner: The 5 year-old had a clean record.  Background checks wouldn't have prevented this.

They may, however, have prevented his dumbass parents from purchasing it.

/speculating obviously
//but so is assuming this trigger-happy 5-year-old had a clean record


Your sarcasm detector needs to be calibrated.
 
2013-05-01 12:03:24 PM  
Maybe it's because I live in "Commie" California, but aren't you required to keep guns secured in a house with kids? I know I do, but maybe that's just the COMMON farkING SENSE in me!

Stupid parents a re stupid. I got a BB gun when i was about 10 and didn't get anything more powerful until I was 16, and that was a .22. Then a 12 gauge for hunting at 17. Had to take the Hunter Safety course and did get training from my parents on how to be careful. Guns were never left loaded and were kept away from little kids, even WAY back in those days
 
2013-05-01 12:03:40 PM  
I don't know about that brand, but I've seen similar guns. They only hold a single shell, and they come with a trigger lock that requires a key to remove. They're not intended to be left in the hands of a child. They're meant to be locked away in a cabinet, with the trigger lock attached, and the single shell removed.

The parent did none of those things and should be charged with whatever form of criminal homicide is applicable.
 
2013-05-01 12:03:57 PM  
Terrible parenting fail.

I can't help but think these people should lose their kids or their weapons. Their choice.
 
2013-05-01 12:04:09 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: If you don't get people started on guns early they tend not to buy them later.  It's also the reason they are so protective of the various "military weapons" like the AR15- most of their profit is there since the hunting market is declining.  (Plus most hunters I know don't own arsenals- they typically have 2-3 rifles in different calibers, not the loaded gun safes you see posted here from time to time)


If you're in North America, and (with the exception of bear) you can't kill it with a 30-06, you probably shouldn't be hunting.

Damn newfangled kiddies and their 7mm Remingtons.
 
2013-05-01 12:04:14 PM  
Don't blame the gun; blame the parents and the one who pulled the trigger.
 
2013-05-01 12:04:17 PM  

hardinparamedic: A child at five years of age does not understand the gravity or concept of Death.


THIS. If you tell a child at that age that someone is dead, they will assume it's akin to sleep, and that they will wake up, or that they've left temporarily and will be back. That concept doesn't start to sink in until about a year later, development-wise.
 
2013-05-01 12:05:27 PM  
Bullshiat; I understood death at 5; its all on the shoulders of parenting.
 
2013-05-01 12:05:39 PM  

ristst: As someone who has experienced this kind of thing (one cousin killed his brother in a hunting accident) I will say I don't find anything humorous in this story, nor any of the comments.

I grew up in a family where both sides were committed hunters.  And in this culture it was very common to see children hunting.  We did it, my brother and I hunted from an early age.

I gave it up decades ago, and I would never even think of giving my daughter a loaded weapon.  Before she died I asked my mom how they did it, and she said it was just a different time.

And all these Ted Nuget-type hunting shows say "take a kid hunting".  It's one of their major themes.


Wait, don't you know that there are "phantom statistics" of thwarted home break-ins, that have never been tabulated because "people don't report attempted crimes to the police", that categorically PROVE that you are safer if you keep loaded guns in your home? Don't you care about your family's SAFETY, you heartless, gutless, liberal coward??
 
2013-05-01 12:05:47 PM  
Promotional material on KSA's website says the gun aims to "instill safety in the minds of youth shooters."

Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said the family had not realized a shell was left inside the gun, which was kept in a corner of the house.


Conclusion: "If your grandparents had bought one for me when I was your age, your sister would still be alive."
 
2013-05-01 12:06:08 PM  
The tree of Freedom is watered with the blood of innocents.
 
2013-05-01 12:06:31 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: BB guns for kids under 10. That's the golden rule of guns.

A .22? What the hell were these parents thinking?

A Daisy or even an airsoft would have been just as good for a 5 year old.


Tell that to my cousin who has spent his whole life wearing a glass eye because of a kid with a bb gun.
 
2013-05-01 12:06:48 PM  

graeth: Bullshiat; I understood death at 5; its all on the shoulders of parenting.


Well, I'm glad your anecdotal claim as an adult invalidates decades of psychiatric and developmental psychology research on the subject.

Good thing we had you come into this thread to clear that up.
 
2013-05-01 12:06:53 PM  

doyner: pseudoscience: doyner: The 5 year-old had a clean record.  Background checks wouldn't have prevented this.

They may, however, have prevented his dumbass parents from purchasing it.

/speculating obviously
//but so is assuming this trigger-happy 5-year-old had a clean record

Your sarcasm detector needs to be calibrated.


Time for another cup of coffee.
 
2013-05-01 12:07:02 PM  

nmiguy: Darwin awards.


Except it was a 2 year old that died.  Darwin Award would have been appropriate if the kid shot his idiot guardian that left the gun loaded.
 
2013-05-01 12:07:23 PM  

graeth: Bullshiat; I understood death at 5; its all on the shoulders of parenting.


No, it's on the shoulders of normal variation; countless research projects including interviews with thousands have children have demonstrated it time and time again. You apparently bucked the curve.
 
2013-05-01 12:07:29 PM  
Thank goodness guns are a guaranteed right to every idiot who wants one. This is just the price we pay I guess.
 
2013-05-01 12:07:35 PM  

dittybopper: ///littlebopper got his first .22 at age 8.


Did you let him play with it alone?

chickenhead.com
 
2013-05-01 12:07:39 PM  
I don't really believe the details of the incident -

1) A family obviously familiar with guns "accidentally" leaves it loaded?
2) The single shot fired while the boy was "playing with" the rifle just happened to hit and kill his sister?

I have the nasty suspicion that the kid aimed it at his sister and pulled the trigger - just like the cool guys do on TV.
 
2013-05-01 12:07:51 PM  
Again, please take a look at the rifle in the story. It's selling a farking *gun* as, well, a toy.

You don't see anything wrong with this?

Anything at all?


I just checked the Crickett site.
This page is kind of disturbing really  http://www.crickett.com/crickett_kidscorner.php
 
2013-05-01 12:07:58 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Itstoearly

No, the problem is not that a 5 year old was holding a loaded gun.


THAT IS PRECISELY THE PROBLEM.

Unload the firearm: no accident. Lock up the firearm: no accident.


The problem was that an adult should have been there, also holding the gun, to make sure safety is a priority. I've seen a kid about 18 months shoot a rifle... because his father was holding it at the same time.


There is no set of circumstances under which it would be okay for a child to handle a loaded firearm in a dwelling.


I don't think you understood my post, because we're pretty much in agreement.
 
2013-05-01 12:08:36 PM  

ScaryBottles: The important thing to remember is that further infringement of our second amendment rights would not have prevented this from happening.



Are you currently prohibited from owning a firearm?
 
2013-05-01 12:09:04 PM  

Githerax: The tree of Freedom is watered with the blood of innocents.


Well, then, we ought to be just about up to our ass in freedom trees right about now.
What's that you say? We're not?
Oh well.
 
2013-05-01 12:09:07 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: You should see the bill from the taxidermist.


OMG is that Caroline?
Nope, Chuck Testa!
 
2013-05-01 12:09:15 PM  

crzybtch: dittybopper: bdub77: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: The county coroner has ruled the death 'just one of those crazy accidents.'

No. Some adult gave a loaded gun to a 5-yr old. This isn't a crazy accident. This is parental negligence.

Also WHO GIVES A F*CKING FIREARM TO A 5 YEAR OLD?

Congratulations, dumbass. Now you've ruined at least four lives.

Or brings a loaded gun into the house.  Or leaves a gun leaning in a corner somewhere.

just one of those 'crazy accidents' i guess. OOPSIE.

Actually, yes, it is.

Do you know how many kids age 11 and under die in gun accidents every year?

Less than 50.  In fact, in 2010, the number was 41.  The chance is literally greater than a million to one (the rate is .08 per 100,000).

So yeah, it *IS* one of those crazy accidents.

/Of course, shouldn't have been any ammo in the room
//Should have been very supervised at that age.
///littlebopper got his first .22 at age 8.

Only 41 kids dead?  Oh, then no problem.  Lets keep kids and guns together.

Or maybe....ZERO kids dead might be a better idea??

Like it would RUIN someone's life if they didn't touch a gun til they are 21?  Seriously??


Yeah, because making alcohol illegal for people under 21 stops them from drinking and driving.. and dying over a thousand times each year.  Oh wait, it doesn't.
 
2013-05-01 12:09:18 PM  
Hey, already got that "My First Manslaughter" out of the way too.  Making progress kid.
 
2013-05-01 12:09:33 PM  

buckler: hardinparamedic: A child at five years of age does not understand the gravity or concept of Death.

THIS. If you tell a child at that age that someone is dead, they will assume it's akin to sleep, and that they will wake up, or that they've left temporarily and will be back. That concept doesn't start to sink in until about a year later, development-wise.


Well that and 5 year olds are still in the "I'm going to do this even though I've been told not to, to assert my independence" phase.

Plus, what the flying fark is the big rush? Why does junior have to be allowed to shoot a gun at 5? Wait 3 or 4 goddamn years at least for farks sake! Wait until they at least have somewhat fully developed logic and reasoning?
 
2013-05-01 12:09:36 PM  
Who the hell gives a .22 rifle to a 5 year old?
 
2013-05-01 12:09:41 PM  
Gotta admit, though... it IS a pretty good litmus test of someone's parenting skills.
 
2013-05-01 12:09:59 PM  

hardinparamedic: graeth: Bullshiat; I understood death at 5; its all on the shoulders of parenting.

Well, I'm glad your anecdotal claim as an adult invalidates decades of psychiatric and developmental psychology research on the subject.

Good thing we had you come into this thread to clear that up.


Well, it's a good bet the kid understands death NOW, isn't it?
 
2013-05-01 12:09:59 PM  

Itstoearly: No, the problem is not that a 5 year old was holding a loaded gun.  The problem was that an adult should have been there, also holding the gun, to make sure safety is a priority.  I've seen a kid about 18 months shoot a rifle... because his father was holding it at the same time.  I think teaching kids all about firearms at a young age is good because it takes the "mystery" out of guns.  Like abstinence-only education, kids are going to get curious and experiment.  The thing is, you need to never leave a child alone with a gun, and always keep the gun inaccessible from them, until they are old enough to be responsible.


So you think that it's ok that an 18month old baby is allowed to be part of a gun firing?  If they are scared to hell by the loud sound and maybe rupture an ear drum do you really want them to think it's a toy?  That parent should have been told to leave the range if he was at one.  There are acceptable age ranges for some activities anyone under 6 should never have a loaded weapon.
 
2013-05-01 12:10:15 PM  

Pista: Again, please take a look at the rifle in the story. It's selling a farking *gun* as, well, a toy.

You don't see anything wrong with this?

Anything at all?

I just checked the Crickett site.
This page is kind of disturbing really  http://www.crickett.com/crickett_kidscorner.php


And the image names are the full names of the kids.  Spectacufail.
 
2013-05-01 12:10:41 PM  

Itstoearly: I don't think you understood my post, because we're pretty much in agreement.


I think you ignored the fact that, in reality, the parents were letting the child play with the damn thing as if it were a toy when they weren't shooting. It just happened to be that this time they left a round in the chamber.

Boom. Headshot.

tf2wiki.net
 
2013-05-01 12:10:57 PM  

Citrate1007: Parent(s) should be charged with manslaughter.


This, or at least gross negligence.

PS - yes, you can embalm people (I don't think you stuff them), Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il are both embalmed.
 
2013-05-01 12:11:13 PM  
Giving a five-year-old a gun isn't in itself a problem.  I used to plink cans and such with a .22 all the time with my father when I was a wee child.  Skeet with a small-gauge shotgun, too.  When not actually doing something with the firearms in question they were locked away in a safe that only my parents had the combo to, and I was further instructed not to fark with 'em without my mother or father even if one happened to not be in the safe.

Giving a five-year-old a gun, then leaving him alone with it loaded and no adult supervision, though, that's... essentially manslaughter.  I really think the parents in this case should be facing jail time, this is pretty much the definition of deadly criminal negligence.

//Pretty sure that intentionally giving a minor unsupervised access to a firearm is a felony almost everywhere even if no one's hurt, is KY an exception?  Being "at home" isn't usually sufficient, you have to actually be supervising.  Even storing the gun "in a corner" instead of secured in a domicile with children is a class-b at minimum most places.  I'm.. really not sure how they're getting away with this, or why social services is letting them keep the kid.
 
2013-05-01 12:11:13 PM  
I'm not saying ban guns.  And accidents will happen, and bad guys will kill people.  But is it a mental health issue if you leave your 5 year old alone with your 2 year old while he has a loaded gun?  Or are you bored?  Fatally stupid?  5 year olds can shoot, sure, not a big problem with that.  But to leave him alone with a gun?  I just...I mean...

Basically, I want responsible people to have guns.  Be they good or bad in spirit, at least I know they meant it if they kill me.
 
2013-05-01 12:11:30 PM  
Maybe the safety failed, children's weapons are often not manufactured to the same rigorous quality standards as the real thing...hell, two of the Hello Kitty hand grenades I bought last week went off in the car on the way home...
 
2013-05-01 12:12:19 PM  

Yogimus: Gotta admit, though... it IS a pretty good litmus test of someone's parenting skills.


You can only buy a gun for your kid if you're a good parent, but only a bad parent would want to buy a gun for their kid.

A real "Catch .22".
 
2013-05-01 12:12:37 PM  
Keeping a loaded gun in a corner? Sounds like a Real American to me. Why do people hate True Patriots?
 
2013-05-01 12:12:43 PM  

graeth: Don't blame the gun; blame the parents and the one who pulled the trigger.


Thankfully, 5-year olds typically have the cognitive ability to discern the future consequences of present actions, so we can prosecute him in court.
 
2013-05-01 12:12:44 PM  

Loaf's Tray: Maybe the safety failed, children's weapons are often not manufactured to the same rigorous quality standards as the real thing...hell, two of the Hello Kitty hand grenades I bought last week went off in the car on the way home...


So that's why you're not allowed within 100 foot of schools anymore, and had to go door to door to inform people you were living there?
 
2013-05-01 12:12:52 PM  

James!: Wait wait wait, I have another.  When will Obama call this a terrorist act?


This is Obama's Benghazi.
 
2013-05-01 12:12:59 PM  
They shouldn't be giving 2 year olds skittles...
 
2013-05-01 12:13:01 PM  

Loaf's Tray: Maybe the safety failed, children's weapons are often not manufactured to the same rigorous quality standards as the real thing...hell, two of the Hello Kitty hand grenades I bought last week went off in the car on the way home...


and the ammo jumped into the chamber.
 
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