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(Mother Jones)   NYC Mayor Mike Bloomberg does a double-reverse Kanye West and dives into the racism pool concerning the NYPD's policy of stop-and-frisk   (motherjones.com) divider line 79
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2013-05-01 11:07:10 AM  
So he's a straight fish instead of a gay fish?
 
2013-05-01 11:10:00 AM  
It's basically a combination of 'you're racist for not getting outraged at their deaths, cause they're not white kids', and 'won't someone please think of the children???'.

It's Unconstitutional, dude.  And you're going to get your ass handed to you when it hits a judge's desk.
 
2013-05-01 11:10:26 AM  
I'm pretty sure there's plenty of precedent that says you can't do that.
 
2013-05-01 11:16:31 AM  
The people with the pinkish hue are the real threat to society. No pink in our rainbow, thank you. It's too dangerous.

/amidoinitrite
 
2013-05-01 11:19:21 AM  
Bloomberg embodies the statism of conservative nightmares and the plutocracy of liberal nightmares.

Only New York could create such a monster.
 
2013-05-01 11:20:11 AM  
Even in our age with the Fourth Amendment has been murdered and necrophiled, I seriously don't see how Stop and Frisk can be a real thing that is happening. Where is the outrage? I guess that's a mostly rhetorical question since it's mostly happening to minorities.
 
2013-05-01 11:22:51 AM  

Karma Chameleon: Even in our age with the Fourth Amendment has been murdered and necrophiled, I seriously don't see how Stop and Frisk can be a real thing that is happening. Where is the outrage? I guess that's a mostly rhetorical question since it's mostly happening to minorities.


I didn't know it was happening until today.  I wager there's a lot of 'ignoring' going on about such things.
 
2013-05-01 11:23:09 AM  
Imagine if it was Sherrif Joe who implemented this policy. His head would already be on a stake. But since it is in ultra tolerant liberal bastion of NYC....*crickets*
 
2013-05-01 11:25:06 AM  
I think we should start shaking down everyone in a suit on Wall St to make sure they don't have money that belongs to someone else on them.
 
2013-05-01 11:29:10 AM  
TFA: A policy can be "effective" and still be illegal because it doesn't recognize those rights. Surely Bloomberg can understand that.

I'm sure he understands that.  I'm also sure he doesn't care.
 
2013-05-01 11:30:19 AM  

MyRandomName: Imagine if it was Sherrif Joe who implemented this policy. His head would already be on a stake. But since it is in ultra tolerant liberal bastion of NYC....*crickets*


Can it.  I'm fairly sure most of us hadn't heard about this until now.
 
2013-05-01 11:32:31 AM  
But I heard he was the libbiest libtard who ever farted a libfart.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting. Libtards are the real racists.

Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-05-01 11:34:18 AM  

MyRandomName: Imagine if it was Sherrif Joe who implemented this policy. His head would already be on a stake. But since it is in ultra tolerant liberal bastion of NYC....*crickets*


Yeah, because stop and frisk is so popular with liberals in this thread.  Look at all the people running to defend it.
 
2013-05-01 11:36:05 AM  
Quite a few of the people guilty in Wall Street Crimes are Jewish, by religion or birth.    Not all, but many.
Way more than the percentage of Jews in the United States.
So, NYPD should target Jews for increased financial surveillance.       Operate based on the idea that someone Jewish is more likely to be guilty, peer in their bank accounts and financial transactions a bit more carefully.

What?   Its anti-semitic?  Disgusting?   Reminds you of Nazi Germany?
HOW THE FARK IS STOP-AND-FRISK, OR THE SYSTEMATIC SURVEILLANCE OF MUSLIM STUDENTS, BOTH COMMONLY PRACTICED BY THE NYPD,ANY FARKING DIFFERENT?
 
2013-05-01 11:36:28 AM  

MyRandomName: Imagine if it was Sherrif Joe who implemented this policy. His head would already be on a stake. But since it is in ultra tolerant liberal bastion of NYC....*crickets*


You haven't spent much time in Chandler, Arizona, have you? That city had the farking pants sued off of it by Hispanics who were stopped by police. Sheriff Joe learned from Chandler's mistakes. Plus, the county is a different animal than Chandler was at the time.
 
2013-05-01 11:36:30 AM  
This is a great statistic...

FTFA:
Black: 2.3 Million stops = 16,000 seizures
Hispanic: 1.4 Million stops = 14,000 seizures
White: 435,000 = 16,000 seizures

Here folks, is the answer to your questions about per capita crime rates and who the law offenders in our society really are. People who try to push the narrative that black people commit more crime in America always point to incarceration rates, number of arrests, and convictions. The inference is that if white people committed just as much crime they would be arrested and convicted of crimes at the same rate. I have always maintained that there is no crime where the police don't patrol. If a black guy somes a joint on his porch and the police who are always patrolling his neighborhood roll by, he's a criminal. If a white kid smokes a joint on his porch in the suburbs, where the police come when they're called, he's just high. Now, what would the crime statistics in New York look like if there were 2.3 million stops of white people? Things that make you say, hmmmmm.
 
2013-05-01 11:39:30 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Bloomberg embodies the statism of conservative nightmares and the plutocracy of liberal nightmares.

Only New York could create such a monster.


Bloomberg's the modern equavalent of Ross Perot: a successful businessman who is used to getting what he wants and has no use for the inefficiencies of government.  If only SNL would make fun of him like they did with Ross
 
2013-05-01 11:41:06 AM  

MyRandomName: Imagine if it was Sherrif Joe who implemented this policy. His head would already be on a stake. But since it is in ultra tolerant liberal bastion of NYC....*crickets*


Oh yeah, we're totally for stop-and-frisk. Thanks for once again telling us what we think.

And being completely, 100% wrong about it.
 
2013-05-01 11:43:20 AM  
So, is there anyone left, Repub or Dem, right or left, that thinks Bloomberg has a chance in hell of being POTUS? *crickets* So, I guess we can thank New Yawkers for something, exposing this fascist douchebag.
 
2013-05-01 11:45:20 AM  
He has a point, poorly stated as it may be. People who purport to care about minorities sure don't actually concern themselves with reducing violence in those communities. I'd rather a few people be frisked than a dead teenager.

And face it: getting patted down and being sent on your way is not some gross human rights violation. It's inconvenient, but pretty tame and largely effective. Is it constitutional? I don't know, and I hope the judge follows the law, but the practice is certainly sensible.
 
2013-05-01 11:46:44 AM  

MyRandomName: Imagine if it was Sherrif Joe who implemented this policy. His head would already be on a stake. But since it is in ultra tolerant liberal bastion of NYC....*crickets*


Joe? No, because he's a nut. Giuliani or Chris Christie? Sure.
 
2013-05-01 11:51:16 AM  

Wayne 985: I'd rather a few people be frisked than a dead teenager.


You know what? I rather think we can find Constitutional ways to avoid the dead teenager. But then I'm an American and you clearly are not.
 
2013-05-01 11:51:27 AM  

Wayne 985: He has a point, poorly stated as it may be. People who purport to care about minorities sure don't actually concern themselves with reducing violence in those communities. I'd rather a few people be frisked than a dead teenager.

And face it: getting patted down and being sent on your way is not some gross human rights violation. It's inconvenient, but pretty tame and largely effective. Is it constitutional? I don't know, and I hope the judge follows the law, but the practice is certainly sensible.



You think its sensible to frisk black people because you aren't black. Fark you.
 
2013-05-01 11:51:30 AM  

Wayne 985: He has a point, poorly stated as it may be. People who purport to care about minorities sure don't actually concern themselves with reducing violence in those communities. I'd rather a few people be frisked than a dead teenager.

And face it: getting patted down and being sent on your way is not some gross human rights violation. It's inconvenient, but pretty tame and largely effective. Is it constitutional? I don't know, and I hope the judge follows the law, but the practice is certainly sensible.


It's an illegal search.  We don't do things like that in the US.

Bloomberg's a dick and he's going to get his ass handed to him when this reaches the higher courts.
 
2013-05-01 11:52:13 AM  

Karma Chameleon: Where is the outrage? I guess that's a mostly rhetorical question since it's mostly happening to minorities.


Only 90% minorities...what's the problem?
 
2013-05-01 12:00:36 PM  

StrikitRich: Wendy's Chili: Bloomberg embodies the statism of conservative nightmares and the plutocracy of liberal nightmares.

Only New York could create such a monster.

Bloomberg's the modern equavalent of Ross Perot: a successful businessman who is used to getting what he wants and has no use for the inefficiencies of government.  If only SNL would make fun of him like they did with Ross


Bank accounts aside, Ross Perot could not be further from Mike Bloomberg.

Ow! That was my feelings!: So, is there anyone left, Repub or Dem, right or left, that thinks Bloomberg has a chance in hell of being POTUS? *crickets* So, I guess we can thank New Yawkers for something, exposing this fascist douchebag.


I'm not worried about him being elected outside of New York, but he and his Wall Street buddies have long set the tone for political debates in the media, and now he's promising to get directly involved in races if candidates don't vote the way he wants them too. Today it's background checks, tomorrow it could be food, finance, or foreign policy.

Dude is f*cking dangerous.
 
2013-05-01 12:00:55 PM  
FTA: There was not even a mention of his murder in our paper of record, the New York Times. "All the news that's fit to print" did not include the murder of 17-year-old Alphonza Bryant.

He's supposed to be a smart guy, and he doesn't even know that the murder of an ordinary black man is only reported when a white man does it.
 
2013-05-01 12:03:13 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Here folks, is the answer to your questions about per capita crime rates and who the law offenders in our society really are. People who try to push the narrative that black people commit more crime in America always point to incarceration rates, number of arrests, and convictions. The inference is that if white people committed just as much crime they would be arrested and convicted of crimes at the same rate. I have always maintained that there is no crime where the police don't patrol. If a black guy somes a joint on his porch and the police who are always patrolling his neighborhood roll by, he's a criminal. If a white kid smokes a joint on his porch in the suburbs, where the police come when they're called, he's just high. Now, what would the crime statistics in New York look like if there were 2.3 million stops of white people? Things that make you say, hmmmmm.


You jumped to quite a few conclusions there that you can't really pull from just the numbers.  If the police are pulling over every PoC they see but only white people that they have a tip on or are actually acting suspicious then of course the false positives are going to be completely skewed.  It says far more about the shiatty practices of the police department than it does of the people that are actually committing crimes.
 
2013-05-01 12:03:34 PM  
Bloomberg is right about one thing:  The Center for Constitutional Rights does not, for even one second, give half a tinker's fart about black youth.  They care about keeping themselves in business.  Just like every other activist organization, successful or otherwise.

And, as many here have said, he is going to have his ass handed to him on a platter when this reaches the higher courts.
 
2013-05-01 12:05:20 PM  
What I don't understand is how the numbers are so LOW. Seriously, they're getting less than 1% on blacks and just around 1% for hispanics (though they seem to be getting about ~4% with whites). I'm pretty sure if I randomly searched people on the street I could find contraband on more than 1% of them... So, are the purposely aiming for innocent people or what?

Going by the numbers it looks like whites are the ones who are really prone to criminality, so I guess that answers part of that question.

But for real - how the hell do they get numbers so low? How farking incompetent are they? How can they possibly claim that this is a reasonable policy, even ASIDE from the massive civil rights violations? I'm sorry, it's not effective. The numbers aren't lying. That's literally worse than chance. I bet more than 4% of the dudes that work on wall street have drugs on them!
 
2013-05-01 12:05:34 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Bloomberg embodies the statism of conservative nightmares and the plutocracy of liberal nightmares.

Only New York could create such a monster.


Or Italy, Germany or even the US of A in the early 1900s.
There is a word for this and it starts with an F
 
2013-05-01 12:11:33 PM  

angrymonday: Wendy's Chili: Bloomberg embodies the statism of conservative nightmares and the plutocracy of liberal nightmares.

Only New York could create such a monster.

Or Italy, Germany or even the US of A in the early 1900s.
There is a word for this and it starts with an F


It saddens me to see, but yes, this is a prime example of what NOT TO DO in a democracy.  Our protection against illegal search and seizure was important enough to be listed in the Bill of Rights as the Fourth Amendment and I do NOT care what your reasoning is for violating it.  STOP IT.
 
2013-05-01 12:12:46 PM  

IrateShadow: DROxINxTHExWIND: Here folks, is the answer to your questions about per capita crime rates and who the law offenders in our society really are. People who try to push the narrative that black people commit more crime in America always point to incarceration rates, number of arrests, and convictions. The inference is that if white people committed just as much crime they would be arrested and convicted of crimes at the same rate. I have always maintained that there is no crime where the police don't patrol. If a black guy somes a joint on his porch and the police who are always patrolling his neighborhood roll by, he's a criminal. If a white kid smokes a joint on his porch in the suburbs, where the police come when they're called, he's just high. Now, what would the crime statistics in New York look like if there were 2.3 million stops of white people? Things that make you say, hmmmmm.

You jumped to quite a few conclusions there that you can't really pull from just the numbers.  If the police are pulling over every PoC they see but only white people that they have a tip on or are actually acting suspicious then of course the false positives are going to be completely skewed.  It says far more about the shiatty practices of the police department than it does of the people that are actually committing crimes.



Yes. Exactly. Shiatty police work, racism, whatever you want to call it. If the police initiated contact with white people as aggressively as they do with minorities, the per capita argument would go away because the statistics would more accurately reflect the situation. You also cannot make the assumption that all of the black people who had something seized from them were acting suspicious, nor can you assume that the whites who were acting "normal" were all acting within the law. No one gives a shiat about the statistical sample when they're advocating the unlawful searching of all blacks based on what a small percentage have done.
 
2013-05-01 12:18:41 PM  

angrymonday: Wendy's Chili: Bloomberg embodies the statism of conservative nightmares and the plutocracy of liberal nightmares.

Only New York could create such a monster.

Or Italy, Germany or even the US of A in the early 1900s.
There is a word for this and it starts with an F


You talkin' shiat on Teddy?
 
2013-05-01 12:20:28 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: IrateShadow: DROxINxTHExWIND: Here folks, is the answer to your questions about per capita crime rates and who the law offenders in our society really are. People who try to push the narrative that black people commit more crime in America always point to incarceration rates, number of arrests, and convictions. The inference is that if white people committed just as much crime they would be arrested and convicted of crimes at the same rate. I have always maintained that there is no crime where the police don't patrol. If a black guy somes a joint on his porch and the police who are always patrolling his neighborhood roll by, he's a criminal. If a white kid smokes a joint on his porch in the suburbs, where the police come when they're called, he's just high. Now, what would the crime statistics in New York look like if there were 2.3 million stops of white people? Things that make you say, hmmmmm.

You jumped to quite a few conclusions there that you can't really pull from just the numbers.  If the police are pulling over every PoC they see but only white people that they have a tip on or are actually acting suspicious then of course the false positives are going to be completely skewed.  It says far more about the shiatty practices of the police department than it does of the people that are actually committing crimes.


Yes. Exactly. Shiatty police work, racism, whatever you want to call it. If the police initiated contact with white people as aggressively as they do with minorities, the per capita argument would go away because the statistics would more accurately reflect the situation. You also cannot make the assumption that all of the black people who had something seized from them were acting suspicious, nor can you assume that the whites who were acting "normal" were all acting within the law. No one gives a shiat about the statistical sample when they're advocating the unlawful searching of all blacks based on what a small percentage have done.


In every town I've lived in, the murder rate has been much, much, much higher on the black side.

If this is due to a difference in the quality policing as you suggest, then I must have missed getting my mandatory "how to hide a dead body" training at my monthly white people meetings.

Because otherwise, I'm at a loss as to explaining why all the vast majority of murder victims are found on the black side of town.
 
2013-05-01 12:22:03 PM  

Infernalist: Our protection against illegal

unreasonable search and seizure

It'd only be illegal if it was unreasonable. Otherwise, it'd only be illegal because it's illegal.

// pedantic? maybe
 
2013-05-01 12:22:37 PM  
Bloomy pauses, takes a big gulp, and performs the reverse Kanye.
He joined the banned.
 
2013-05-01 12:24:38 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Yes. Exactly. Shiatty police work, racism, whatever you want to call it. If the police initiated contact with white people as aggressively as they do with minorities, the per capita argument would go away because the statistics would more accurately reflect the situation.


Only if you thought all criminlas were caught because of stop and frisk.
 
2013-05-01 12:32:23 PM  

Elegy: In every town I've lived in, the murder rate has been much, much, much higher on the black side.

If this is due to a difference in the quality policing as you suggest, then I must have missed getting my mandatory "how to hide a dead body" training at my monthly white people meetings.

Because otherwise, I'm at a loss as to explaining why all the vast majority of murder victims are found on the black side of town.



You sound concerned. I could lead you in a discussion about socio-economics, the destruction of the black family, and the war on drugs, but I'm sure you're more concerned with asserting your superiority as a white male by vilifying an entire race of people. Its unfortunate that in a world dominated by people who look like you, you have such a poor existence that your self-worth is tied to your feelings about the comparitive success or failure of others. Maybe one day you'll succeed in something and that will bring you to the realization that your worth can only be determined by your actions and not the perceived worthlessness of others.
 
2013-05-01 12:33:22 PM  

Wendy's Chili: angrymonday: Wendy's Chili: Bloomberg embodies the statism of conservative nightmares and the plutocracy of liberal nightmares.

Only New York could create such a monster.

Or Italy, Germany or even the US of A in the early 1900s.
There is a word for this and it starts with an F

You talkin' shiat on Teddy?


And Woody
 
2013-05-01 12:35:19 PM  

liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: Yes. Exactly. Shiatty police work, racism, whatever you want to call it. If the police initiated contact with white people as aggressively as they do with minorities, the per capita argument would go away because the statistics would more accurately reflect the situation.

Only if you thought all criminlas were caught because of stop and frisk.


The NY stop and frisk laws only illuminate a larger problem...unless you believe that black people are more likely to make an unsignalled lane change or have a blinking tail light.
 
2013-05-01 12:40:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: Imagine if it was Sherrif Joe who implemented this policy. His head would already be on a stake. But since it is in ultra tolerant liberal bastion of NYC....*crickets*

Oh yeah, we're totally for stop-and-frisk. Thanks for once again telling us what we think.

And being completely, 100% wrong about it.


per usual
 
2013-05-01 12:41:51 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: Yes. Exactly. Shiatty police work, racism, whatever you want to call it. If the police initiated contact with white people as aggressively as they do with minorities, the per capita argument would go away because the statistics would more accurately reflect the situation.

Only if you thought all criminlas were caught because of stop and frisk.

The NY stop and frisk laws only illuminate a larger problem...unless you believe that black people are more likely to make an unsignalled lane change or have a blinking tail light.


Come to think of it, TFA never did mention Asians.
 
2013-05-01 12:43:00 PM  
www.dailyhaha.com

/I'll just leave this here...
 
2013-05-01 12:43:22 PM  

Draq: Come to think of it, TFA never did mention Asians.


See "other".
 
2013-05-01 12:44:09 PM  

MyRandomName: Imagine if it was Sherrif Joe who implemented this policy. His head would already be on a stake. But since it is in ultra tolerant liberal bastion of NYC....*crickets*


It is kind of controversial.
 
2013-05-01 12:46:25 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Bloomy pauses, takes a big gulp, and performs the reverse Kanye.
He joined the banned.


Big gulps were never banned. Not that you care about what actually happened.
 
2013-05-01 12:46:39 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: Yes. Exactly. Shiatty police work, racism, whatever you want to call it. If the police initiated contact with white people as aggressively as they do with minorities, the per capita argument would go away because the statistics would more accurately reflect the situation.

Only if you thought all criminlas were caught because of stop and frisk.

The NY stop and frisk laws only illuminate a larger problem...unless you believe that black people are more likely to make an unsignalled lane change or have a blinking tail light.


Once again, are most criminals caught in traffic stops?
 
2013-05-01 12:52:27 PM  

liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: liam76: DROxINxTHExWIND: Yes. Exactly. Shiatty police work, racism, whatever you want to call it. If the police initiated contact with white people as aggressively as they do with minorities, the per capita argument would go away because the statistics would more accurately reflect the situation.

Only if you thought all criminlas were caught because of stop and frisk.

The NY stop and frisk laws only illuminate a larger problem...unless you believe that black people are more likely to make an unsignalled lane change or have a blinking tail light.

Once again, are most criminals caught in traffic stops?


Don't ask rhetorical questions that you don't have the answer too.
 
2013-05-01 12:55:08 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is a great statistic...

FTFA:
Black: 2.3 Million stops = 16,000 seizures
Hispanic: 1.4 Million stops = 14,000 seizures
White: 435,000 = 16,000 seizures

Here folks, is the answer to your questions about per capita crime rates and who the law offenders in our society really are. People who try to push the narrative that black people commit more crime in America always point to incarceration rates, number of arrests, and convictions. The inference is that if white people committed just as much crime they would be arrested and convicted of crimes at the same rate. I have always maintained that there is no crime where the police don't patrol. If a black guy somes a joint on his porch and the police who are always patrolling his neighborhood roll by, he's a criminal. If a white kid smokes a joint on his porch in the suburbs, where the police come when they're called, he's just high. Now, what would the crime statistics in New York look like if there were 2.3 million stops of white people? Things that make you say, hmmmmm.


You will note that the stops of black people netted more than 10x the number of gun seizures.  This is all Bloomberg and the city give a shiat about.  The other two categories are basically meaningless to them.
 
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