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(Examiner)   Tiny 'alien' skeleton debunked by DNA: But wait a minute what is that?   (examiner.com) divider line 38
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2013-05-01 08:40:04 AM  
7 votes:
Deoxyribonucleic acid.  It's the genetic 'code' that describes all living things, but that's not what's important right now.
2013-05-01 10:57:50 AM  
5 votes:
That whole article reeked of bullsh*t.
2013-05-01 01:39:05 PM  
4 votes:
One thing I find fascinating is that how so many people are ready to call BS on this but really have no idea the circumstances behind this story. It's almost as if people only believe what is spoon feed to them. They don't have to do any further thinking because the guys on the evening news, or the NYT didn't say so.

Anyway, to those that want to know more:

This is a real creature.

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4- 22 -2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf

It is not a non-human primate (i.e. monkey)

It has very similar DNA to a human.

It is 6-8 years in age. (not a human fetus)

It has 10 ribs.

It is 6" in length.

It's cause of death is considered to blunt force trauma.

There are no known human conditions that would account for the abnormalities

There were no genetic markers that would indicate dwarfism or other deformation.

It was tested by two leading scientists in their respective fields. Dr. Nolan and Dr. Lachman of Stanford.

This is really exciting news, even if the thing is not a alien. Again, there is no known human to ever of had this condition. That alone is news worthy. Alien stuff is just icing on the cake.


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Dr. Nolan is continuing to work on the DNA analysis, and when he concludes his work, he is writing a paper for peer review.
2013-05-01 01:01:00 PM  
3 votes:
Hrm... Well, to be open minded about this, the person did say close to human, and here's the thing about DNA, human share 98% of the same DNA as chimps, so this thing being "closer to human" than to say chimps may mean the thing was 1-2% higher on the DNA ladder than humans, which is 2-4% higher than chimps...

And as Neil Tyson-DeGrasse said, "2%, that's what separates us from the chimps. So if you took the smartest chimpanzee in the world, the Einstein or Stephen Hawking of chimpanzees and you measured it's intelligence by what it can accomplish, what would you have? A chimp that can understand a few basic commands, maybe do some sign language. It would have about the same cognitive skills as a human 3 year old. Now imagine another species that is 2% higher in DNA than us. How would we look to them? If they asked us to display human intelligence and we rolled Stephen Hawking before them to explain Quantum Physics, they would laugh at us in the face. 'Aaaaawww, isn't it cute, it knows Quantum Physics, little Johny learned that at what, 2, 3 years old?"

I'm not saying it's an alien, but...

/tiny human
2013-05-01 11:05:48 AM  
3 votes:

ArkAngel: Probably carved


Yeah.  The skull is a composite; the maxilae of one animal are glued on to the frontal of another; you can see the join at a horizontal crack on the frontal that should not be there on any mammal.  The back of the skull looks like it might be a coati, with the zygomatic arches broken off, and the face is probably a small monkey, or that might be carved as well.

The body looks like it is carved out of a single piece.  It looks a lot like what people imagine skeletal material looks like, when they haven't actually seen any.
2013-05-02 12:00:01 PM  
2 votes:

FloydA: Some have actually studied both human and non-human mammal skeletal anatomy.


The complete absence of condyles or processes on the legs is a dead giveaway for me.  In some rarely-shown close-ups, the leg bones are revealed to be almost perfectly cylindrical: no points of muscle attachment or articulation are evident.  The tiba and fibula are particularly crudely rendered.

It's a fake.
2013-05-01 02:33:31 PM  
2 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

I thought they were taller in the books.
2013-05-01 01:37:53 PM  
2 votes:
Old news is so exciting...
It has already been determined this was human. It is a HUMAN (or at least something that tested positive for human DNA) that is 6 inches tall and lived for 6 to 8 years WITHOUT modern medicine. That is interesting on its own and warrants further research.
2013-05-01 01:33:15 PM  
2 votes:
My guess: parasitic twin. They say it seems to have survived for several years after birth, so my guess would be a parasitic twin that was more like a conjoined twin, something that in those days could have reasonably been removed by what passed for a surgeon at the time.
2013-05-01 01:32:33 PM  
2 votes:
If that lived to 6-8 years, that's remarkable itself and leads to other interesting questions
2013-05-01 11:09:25 AM  
2 votes:
This whole skeleton reeks of bullshirt. The bones in the hands and feet are completely unworkable, no sternum, incorrect number or ribs.

If it is a real human skeleton then I'd wager it's a grossly mutated and deformed fetus that was miscarried.

Looks more like something someone made on Etsy.
2013-05-01 10:55:30 AM  
2 votes:
This is marketing for an upcoming Predator movie, isn't it...
2013-05-01 09:35:00 AM  
2 votes:
Probably carved
2013-05-01 09:28:56 PM  
1 votes:
Why do people assume aliens would have heads?

Or bones, for that matter?
2013-05-01 06:38:02 PM  
1 votes:
Ghastly
If it is a real human skeleton then I'd wager it's a grossly mutated and deformed fetus that was miscarried.

If that thing slid out of me, I'd be screaming in Lovecraftian horror.
2013-05-01 05:57:57 PM  
1 votes:

GungFu: internut scholar: stevetherobot: internut scholar: stevetherobot: I am astounded that so many people with adequate brain power to operate a computer in order to post on Fark actually believe that this is a skeleton of a 6-8 year old human being. I would think that anyone who couldn't recognize that this story is complete and utter bullshiat would have difficulty controlling their own bowels, much less operate a computer.

When I point out and prove how you are wrong, will you come back and admit it, or will you disappear like everyone else does?

If it was proved to my satisfaction, I'd be happy to admit I'm wrong. I seriously doubt that I will ever have to. If you find better evidence that a sketchy article like TFA, feel free to bring it to my attention.

/EIP
//Though I don't check it often, so I might not respond promptly.

Im just messing around with you.

Forget the alien angle thing to this. That is Greer's thing, and it is irrelevant, scientifically speaking.

This being is a biological creature and not a hoax it was tested be two leading Stanford scientists. One a specialist in skeletal abnormalities and one that is a specialist in genetics.

They performed DNA testing, CT scans and Xrays. The being has a visible heart and lungs.

They said, not Greer, that it is real, it is unlike anything that is known to medical science and that it is not a fetus.

I can't link from phone so read my previous comments and links.

If i'm in possession of something that of a biological 'creature' that seems to have never been known before, I'd pretty much give it to as many scientists as possible to get definitive results. And not just two bods from Stanford, regardless of what their qualifications are. This is potential humanity changing and yet, that's it? Inconclusive results? Most likely human. Nolan even states that he will publish a final paper on it when he's finished with it but has already said that DNA doesn't provide all the answers. But it's likely human.

So, despite all the early Greer PR for the documentary, we have something that's not an alien. And based on the miniscule bits of the figurine being tested (ie not every part of it) there's suggestion that it's human. However, bear in mind that if you scrape a few bits of a dildo for DNA testing, I bet you can conclude the dildo is human too.

What needs to be done and stop with the wishy washy bullshiat these stories engender, is to have full scientific testing of everything. Personally, if there's evidence of hearts of lungs and shiat in the figurine, test those bits too, and so on and so forth.

As a project in PR and media interest for the documentary, the story has done remarkably well. I've grown to hate UFO and alien assholes as the evidence is so flimsy, improbably and unbelievable, that I can't watch documentaries anymore with these subject matters. It give s me a headache. However, I was interested in this one as Greer was such a polarizing figure on the Joe Rogan Podcast. Of course, I didn't buy into his bullshiat but I was surprised that others did, initially. As such, when the documentary came out, I skipped all the UFO Disclosure bollocks and went to the little 'alien' tests at the end. Disappointed. But not unexpected.

Greer is a hack, even the UFO community thinks he's a hack. BUt nice try with the documentary and the little alien gimmick. It suckered even me for a few minutes in making me watch his documentary. For further evidence of his bollock, I suggest listening to him on Joe's podcast and the shiat he spews. It's unbelievable - at least for most.


Firstly, I must say I appreciate your response. Secondly, I probably won't do much justice to it since I'm still on my phone and 3 beers deep. But I'll try..

I completely understand your reservations with Greer, he says some really sketchy things. I know this.
Like you, I want scientific proof.

When I initially heard about this, I was skeptical but still have a fascination with these type matters.

When the report came out and said this was human DNA I was confident that Greer was running a scam. But I had to be sure. I reached out to Dr. Nolan and picked his brain, per say.

After talking with him, and reconsidering his report. I have to say I am very intrieged with this whole thing.

Again. I'm not claiming alien. I am saying it is a intact biological organism.

I only say this because of the previous mentioned scientists test results.

Dr. Nolan is not claiming ET either. But you have to understand this is a real being, with human DNA, with no known human defects.
2013-05-01 05:18:30 PM  
1 votes:
I'm going with aliens. Aliens seeded the earth with DNA, evolution is the basic fundamental that created us as who we are, life is present throughtout the universe and is mostly similar with respect to using DNA under the same basic conditions. This thing is some kind of freak off-shoot.

Yeah, I know it all seems like BS, but that's where I'm dropping my money. I want to believe.

I also found this quote freaky from the article on Buzz Aldrin on why we aren't really searching Mars where we should be (something I harp on in every Curiosity thread);
"Because the foundations of every fundamentalist orthodox belief system on earth would be up-ended".


Buzz makes a great point. Greer made the disclosure project, and despite what anyone may take issue with of his personal beliefs, it was a great project. He has on-tape testimony from dozens of credible sources from astronauts to airline pilots and military personal all speaking about their ufo experiences. Believe them or not, it's a great set of speeches. You can find it on Youtube.
2013-05-01 04:22:51 PM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: FARK rebel soldier: Reminds me of this place which has apparently closed since I was there 20 years ago.

The most asked-for exhibit at the Dime Museum is Abraham Lincoln's last bowel movement -- supposedly taken from a chamber pot at Ford's Theater -- mounted in a dusty frame along with a faded, handwritten note attesting to its authenticity. Horne had taken the turd down -- he changes his exhibits frequently -- but people kept asking for it, so he put it back up. The crusty, blackened poop was exposed as a fraud, Horne says, when an analysis revealed that it contained Necco wafers, which weren't sold until 1912. Of course, even Horne's explanation may be a fraud -- who can say?

I could swear that NECCO wafers were sent to Union troops in the Civil War.


Uh...how would they know the poop contained Necco wafers? They are pretty much sugar and would dislove into their constituent molecules in the body during the process of digestion. I don't think you could make poop out of Necco wafers, there wouldn't be any of them left. It's not like they are corn kernels.
2013-05-01 03:40:36 PM  
1 votes:

DeathCipris: What I don't believe is that well-respected scientists AND the University of Stanford would stake their reputations and falsify test results for some PR campaign of a silly movie.


Read carefully.  They didn't examine the specimen, they were provided a DNA sample (which would never be admissible in a court of law for the complete lack of a chain of custody) and the Xray films.

They're dupes, not co-conspirators.
2013-05-01 03:32:01 PM  
1 votes:

stevetherobot: I am astounded that so many people with adequate brain power to operate a computer in order to post on Fark actually believe that this is a skeleton of a 6-8 year old human being. I would think that anyone who couldn't recognize that this story is complete and utter bullshiat would have difficulty controlling their own bowels, much less operate a computer.


What I don't believe is that well-respected scientists AND the University of Stanford would stake their reputations and falsify test results for some PR campaign of a silly movie. You sound like the Catholic church when Galileo told the Pope that the Earth revolves around the Sun. It is why they are running more tests on it.
2013-05-01 03:26:59 PM  
1 votes:
I don't get the people crying "fake" and "bullshiat." The article seems to imply that this thing is real, but it's really a deformed human. Are the people crying BS saying that the doctors are in on the hoax, or that the doctors can't recognize a real skeleton from a figurine carved from human bone no matter what test they run on it?

The first time I saw it, I too assumed it was a fake. Then I saw the x-rays and heard the medical reports. Every followup seems to indicate that it's real, and not a carved figurine or a mashup of different bones.

I dunno. I have a hard time believing it's an alien, but I have an equally hard time believing that it's a human that lived to the age of six in a poor country hundreds of years ago. If it's human, it appears that it's about a quarter of the size of the shortest human ever documented, and at the age of six (or older) was about half the size of the shortest baby ever. That alone makes it a historic find, regardless of whether or not it's an alien. The chance a human that tiny would live a week, much less six years or more, would seem to be very small.

It seems clear that it's not a fetus or baby due to the bone density, it wasn't a dwarf due to the long limbs, and the skull sure doesn't look like a monkey skull to me.
2013-05-01 03:16:26 PM  
1 votes:
I am astounded that so many people with adequate brain power to operate a computer in order to post on Fark actually believe that this is a skeleton of a 6-8 year old human being. I would think that anyone who couldn't recognize that this story is complete and utter bullshiat would have difficulty controlling their own bowels, much less operate a computer.
2013-05-01 02:56:57 PM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Yeah, the Dr. Greer dude is a nutbag. If he's the "credible" one in this, I'm calling hoax.


No, he's the one that tried to say it was an alien. The credible ones are:

Garry Nolan, professor of microbiology and immunology at Stanford School of Medicine, and
Dr. Ralph Lachman, professor emeritus, UCLA School of Medicine, and clinical professor at Stanford University
2013-05-01 02:35:41 PM  
1 votes:

internut scholar: swahnhennessy: Did you not get the bit about the guy's own website? You're really going to give that to me as a source? You can't be serious Sirius.

Right, now read it, and follow the links in the report, from the scientists that did the testing. I am telling you that it is legit. I personally conversed with one of the scientists.

I am not saying that this is an alien. What I am saying is that they don't know what it is.


What I found interesting about this was that Greer wanted this to be an alien, so he took it to actual scientists, who studied it and concluded it was a 6 inch human(oid) that was probably 6 years old. The scientific opinion seems just as unbelievable as the alien theory, but these are reputable people from Stanford that studied it.

I would be hesitant about calling this BS, even if there is a pretty large chasm of WTF between what we will accept at face value and what the Stanford guys are saying.
2013-05-01 02:30:59 PM  
1 votes:
Why are people arguing that this thing isn't an alien?  The whole article is saying nothing but "this isn't an alien" and everyone in the thread is saying "this isn't an alien" and yet I still see a bunch of posts saying (paraphrased) "DURRRR, nutjobs thinks this is an alien, dumbasses" when the one thing I see everyone agreeing on...IS THAT IT ISN'T AN ALIEN.

Jesus...just INCLUDING the word alien in teh headline is apparently all it takes.

I read about the tiny skeleton on Yahoo earlier today, but I imagine every internet article is using the same sources.  In the end it looks like all they know is:

DNA is human, no (known) markers for dwarfism, has the wrong number of ribs, not a fetus.

/And since we are all internet-armchair-scientizing about it, my guess is weird random mutation that we don't see because it is not conducive to survival, therefore the mutation is not reinforced and is not increasingly present in the gene pool.
//Or, ya know, it's aliens...
2013-05-01 02:28:24 PM  
1 votes:
Some more background on Dr. Greer, the guy behind this latest alien hoax. He literally claims that an alien ambassador from the Andromeda Galaxy named "Bijou" follows him around. So everyone who seems to have lost all critical reasoning capabilities and are blathering on about how people who are skeptical aren't being open-minded enough should really keep that in mind.

He's a known loon, and this is yet another hoax. It's not that skeptics aren't open-minded enough.... it's just that you're so "open-minded" that you're too willing to believe any silly garbage which conforms to your desires.
2013-05-01 01:56:43 PM  
1 votes:
I think I know enough about human nature to know if that thing ever actually lived it spent a sizable portion its life shoved up some guys arse.
2013-05-01 01:39:26 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: ArkAngel: Probably carved

Yeah.  The skull is a composite; the maxilae of one animal are glued on to the frontal of another; you can see the join at a horizontal crack on the frontal that should not be there on any mammal.  The back of the skull looks like it might be a coati, with the zygomatic arches broken off, and the face is probably a small monkey, or that might be carved as well.

The body looks like it is carved out of a single piece.  It looks a lot like what people imagine skeletal material looks like, when they haven't actually seen any.


I've been wondering what your take on this would be.  Things that stuck out to me: it's too perfect and we never get any info about how or where it was found; the skull seems to be a composite; the preservation of all of the tiny phalanges and metatarsals is too good to be true; the leg bones are too big; and the remaining tissue is too perfect.  My guess is Fimo clay+monkey skull+some token human tissue.  We also don't know if the samples they used were taken directly from the remains or provided to the researchers as separate samples.
/Fiji Mermaid
2013-05-01 01:30:17 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: It lived to the age of six to eight

The fark? I could believe this was a premature baby or fetus, but no way it lived like that for years
2013-05-01 01:18:25 PM  
1 votes:

FARK rebel soldier: Reminds me of this place which has apparently closed since I was there 20 years ago.


The most asked-for exhibit at the Dime Museum is Abraham Lincoln's last bowel movement -- supposedly taken from a chamber pot at Ford's Theater -- mounted in a dusty frame along with a faded, handwritten note attesting to its authenticity. Horne had taken the turd down -- he changes his exhibits frequently -- but people kept asking for it, so he put it back up. The crusty, blackened poop was exposed as a fraud, Horne says, when an analysis revealed that it contained Necco wafers, which weren't sold until 1912. Of course, even Horne's explanation may be a fraud -- who can say?

I could swear that NECCO wafers were sent to Union troops in the Civil War.
2013-05-01 01:18:10 PM  
1 votes:

FARK rebel soldier: FloydA: ArkAngel: Probably carved

Yeah.  The skull is a composite; the maxilae of one animal are glued on to the frontal of another; you can see the join at a horizontal crack on the frontal that should not be there on any mammal.

Reminds me of this place which has apparently closed since I was there 20 years ago.


Curses! I'd live there!
2013-05-01 01:17:25 PM  
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: I would guess one problem with this "thing" being an alien species is if it got here, then that denotes intelligence and its head size seems too small to have the brain power. Obvious intelligence that could create an interstellar spacecraft capable of large distances.

I've read that there is no direct correlation between body size and brain power in a species.  For instance, humans don't possess the biggest brain, but obviously we're the smartest on the planet.  OTOH, isn't there a minimum brain size needed for developing self-awareness, critical thought, imagination, etc?


There is a strong correlation between brain size relative to body size and intelligence though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization_quotient
2013-05-01 01:15:52 PM  
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: I would guess one problem with this "thing" being an alien species is if it got here, then that denotes intelligence and its head size seems too small to have the brain power. Obvious intelligence that could create an interstellar spacecraft capable of large distances.

I've read that there is no direct correlation between body size and brain power in a species.  For instance, humans don't possess the biggest brain, but obviously we're the smartest on the planet.  OTOH, isn't there a minimum brain size needed for developing self-awareness, critical thought, imagination, etc?




We spend our days in death-mobiles and cube farms. Don't be so proud.
2013-05-01 12:54:07 PM  
1 votes:
www.popsci.com
2013-05-01 12:47:31 PM  
1 votes:
Pop-in audio ad, that when you close it, pushes another pop-up?

Lovely.
2013-05-01 12:47:29 PM  
1 votes:
from TFA: It only had nine ribs; humans have 24.

I can count 16 just from the crappy photo.  More proof that editing is a dead art.
2013-05-01 11:00:34 AM  
1 votes:
Looks a little chili in there.
2013-05-01 09:00:37 AM  
1 votes:
"The conclusion? The so-called "alien" is an "interesting mutation of a male human that had survived post-birth for between six and eight years," Greer commented.

"I can say with absolute certainty that it is not a monkey. It is human, closer to human than chimpanzees. It lived to the age of six to eight," said Garry Nolan, director of stem cell biology at Stanford University's School of Medicine in California."

Really a humanoid  mutation that survived that long, 6 -10 yrs inChile at 8 inches long? Don't think so...But what do I know. What do they mean by humanoid anyway? Mix with?? Also many believe we were seeded by part alien DNA and Chile has been considered a hub forever in digs and to this day sightings and activity.

That being said whatever this is I want to know more how the heck did a third word mother keep the child alive etc wow!!!
 
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