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2013-05-01 01:30:17 PM  
FTA: It lived to the age of six to eight

The fark? I could believe this was a premature baby or fetus, but no way it lived like that for years
 
2013-05-01 01:30:49 PM  
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2013-05-01 01:31:39 PM  
Looks like alien mummy jerky to me.
 
2013-05-01 01:32:07 PM  
A live one of those would probably make for great bass bait.
 
2013-05-01 01:32:33 PM  
If that lived to 6-8 years, that's remarkable itself and leads to other interesting questions
 
2013-05-01 01:33:09 PM  
In other news, the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary.
 
2013-05-01 01:33:12 PM  

CeroX: Hrm... Well, to be open minded about this, the person did say close to human, and here's the thing about DNA, human share 98% of the same DNA as chimps, so this thing being "closer to human" than to say chimps may mean the thing was 1-2% higher on the DNA ladder than humans, which is 2-4% higher than chimps...

And as Neil Tyson-DeGrasse said, "2%, that's what separates us from the chimps. So if you took the smartest chimpanzee in the world, the Einstein or Stephen Hawking of chimpanzees and you measured it's intelligence by what it can accomplish, what would you have? A chimp that can understand a few basic commands, maybe do some sign language. It would have about the same cognitive skills as a human 3 year old. Now imagine another species that is 2% higher in DNA than us. How would we look to them? If they asked us to display human intelligence and we rolled Stephen Hawking before them to explain Quantum Physics, they would laugh at us in the face. 'Aaaaawww, isn't it cute, it knows Quantum Physics, little Johny learned that at what, 2, 3 years old?"

I'm not saying it's an alien, but...

/tiny human


Now, imagine creatures 100% higher than us in DNA. Talk to any dust mites lately? We humans imagine that we understand the universe, and the eyelash we're collectively grooming is about to get plucked by forces we could not understand if we tried, and if we could, the revelation would drive us into a screaming psychosis.
 
2013-05-01 01:33:15 PM  
My guess: parasitic twin. They say it seems to have survived for several years after birth, so my guess would be a parasitic twin that was more like a conjoined twin, something that in those days could have reasonably been removed by what passed for a surgeon at the time.
 
2013-05-01 01:33:53 PM  
La Santa Muerte approves...not that I do...

i466.photobucket.com
 
2013-05-01 01:35:56 PM  
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2013-05-01 01:37:13 PM  

chuggernaught: What makes you think humans are the smartest on the planet?
What makes you think an advanced alien race would think humans are the smartest creature on the planet?


Yeah, yeah. We've all read "Dolphin's Way" by Dickson.
 
2013-05-01 01:37:53 PM  
Old news is so exciting...
It has already been determined this was human. It is a HUMAN (or at least something that tested positive for human DNA) that is 6 inches tall and lived for 6 to 8 years WITHOUT modern medicine. That is interesting on its own and warrants further research.
 
2013-05-01 01:38:14 PM  

amindtat: Tiny 'alien' skeleton debunked by DNA: 'Alien' shown to be human after all[images.45cat.com image 788x800]


There's something about that pic...

/So right.
//42 is the answer.
 
2013-05-01 01:38:30 PM  

KimNorth: "The conclusion? The so-called "alien" is an "interesting mutation of a male human that had survived post-birth for between six and eight years," Greer commented.

"I can say with absolute certainty that it is not a monkey. It is human, closer to human than chimpanzees. It lived to the age of six to eight," said Garry Nolan, director of stem cell biology at Stanford University's School of Medicine in California."

Really a humanoid  mutation that survived that long, 6 -10 yrs inChile at 8 inches long? Don't think so...But what do I know. What do they mean by humanoid anyway? Mix with?? Also many believe we were seeded by part alien DNA and Chile has been considered a hub forever in digs and to this day sightings and activity.

That being said whatever this is I want to know more how the heck did a third word mother keep the child alive etc wow!!!



encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
The third word is "Torgo".
 
2013-05-01 01:39:05 PM  
One thing I find fascinating is that how so many people are ready to call BS on this but really have no idea the circumstances behind this story. It's almost as if people only believe what is spoon feed to them. They don't have to do any further thinking because the guys on the evening news, or the NYT didn't say so.

Anyway, to those that want to know more:

This is a real creature.

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4- 22 -2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf

It is not a non-human primate (i.e. monkey)

It has very similar DNA to a human.

It is 6-8 years in age. (not a human fetus)

It has 10 ribs.

It is 6" in length.

It's cause of death is considered to blunt force trauma.

There are no known human conditions that would account for the abnormalities

There were no genetic markers that would indicate dwarfism or other deformation.

It was tested by two leading scientists in their respective fields. Dr. Nolan and Dr. Lachman of Stanford.

This is really exciting news, even if the thing is not a alien. Again, there is no known human to ever of had this condition. That alone is news worthy. Alien stuff is just icing on the cake.


.

Dr. Nolan is continuing to work on the DNA analysis, and when he concludes his work, he is writing a paper for peer review.
 
2013-05-01 01:39:26 PM  

FloydA: ArkAngel: Probably carved

Yeah.  The skull is a composite; the maxilae of one animal are glued on to the frontal of another; you can see the join at a horizontal crack on the frontal that should not be there on any mammal.  The back of the skull looks like it might be a coati, with the zygomatic arches broken off, and the face is probably a small monkey, or that might be carved as well.

The body looks like it is carved out of a single piece.  It looks a lot like what people imagine skeletal material looks like, when they haven't actually seen any.


I've been wondering what your take on this would be.  Things that stuck out to me: it's too perfect and we never get any info about how or where it was found; the skull seems to be a composite; the preservation of all of the tiny phalanges and metatarsals is too good to be true; the leg bones are too big; and the remaining tissue is too perfect.  My guess is Fimo clay+monkey skull+some token human tissue.  We also don't know if the samples they used were taken directly from the remains or provided to the researchers as separate samples.
/Fiji Mermaid
 
2013-05-01 01:40:53 PM  

Draskuul: My guess: parasitic twin. They say it seems to have survived for several years after birth, so my guess would be a parasitic twin that was more like a conjoined twin, something that in those days could have reasonably been removed by what passed for a surgeon at the time.


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2013-05-01 01:41:47 PM  

Draskuul: My guess: parasitic twin. They say it seems to have survived for several years after birth, so my guess would be a parasitic twin that was more like a conjoined twin, something that in those days could have reasonably been removed by what passed for a surgeon at the time.



My guess: parasitic alien twin. One human. One alien. The alien twin died because of earth's germs. The human twin had a cold. The alien twin succumbed to illness.
 
2013-05-01 01:42:39 PM  

Calmamity: That whole article reeked of bullsh*t.


this
 
2013-05-01 01:45:01 PM  

Leashlaw: We also don't know if the samples they used were taken directly from the remains or provided to the researchers as separate samples


Yes we do. See my link above.

"We obtained excellent DNA material by surgically dissecting the distal ends of two right
anterior ribs on the humanoid"

I heard in a interview with Dr. Nolan, he was saying that the being is so fragile, that they were afraid they were going to break it when extracting the DNA material.
 
2013-05-01 01:45:26 PM  
I just watched Prometheus, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-05-01 01:45:41 PM  
solid guts?
don't we get a little soft just under the ribs
solid legs?
i'm in with the B.S. crowd
 
2013-05-01 01:46:13 PM  

internut scholar: One thing I find fascinating is that how so many people are ready to call BS on this but really have no idea the circumstances behind this story. It's almost as if people only believe what is spoon feed to them. They don't have to do any further thinking because the guys on the evening news, or the NYT didn't say so.

Anyway, to those that want to know more:

This is a real creature.

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4- 22 -2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf

It is not a non-human primate (i.e. monkey)

It has very similar DNA to a human.

It is 6-8 years in age. (not a human fetus)

It has 10 ribs.

It is 6" in length.

It's cause of death is considered to blunt force trauma.

There are no known human conditions that would account for the abnormalities

There were no genetic markers that would indicate dwarfism or other deformation.

It was tested by two leading scientists in their respective fields. Dr. Nolan and Dr. Lachman of Stanford.

This is really exciting news, even if the thing is not a alien. Again, there is no known human to ever of had this condition. That alone is news worthy. Alien stuff is just icing on the cake.

Dr. Nolan is continuing to work on the DNA analysis, and when he concludes his work, he is writing a paper for peer review.



Oh fark off!

www.starchildproject.com

Seems to me you're the one who believes in any bullshiat these kooks dish out, including the 'Starchild' alien skull bollocks, or whatever 'proof' they've used in the past.
 
2013-05-01 01:46:46 PM  

Perlin Noise: Calmamity: That whole article reeked of bullsh*t.

this


I don't get it. Why is everyone calling bullshiat? The mummy has been reported on by other sources to test positive for human DNA, just like the article says.

Or the it being an alien part is bullshiat? Which I will admit is a REALLY big stretch...
 
2013-05-01 01:47:21 PM  

Bastard Toadflax: In other news, the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary.


bullshiat. It is too, I looked it up.
 
2013-05-01 01:48:01 PM  
It's just a common Pixie.  You people act like you have never seen one before.

http://www.lucy learns.com/pixies-fairies-elves.html
 
2013-05-01 01:48:46 PM  
Why doesn't it have a sternum?
 
2013-05-01 01:50:36 PM  
Is it just me, or do the bones in the picture look bronze cast?  Granted, I usually work around bones in people that are still alive, so I don't know what fossilized remains would really look like, but 'bronze cast' was the thought that ran through my head when I looked at the ribs.

Then again, I could be completely wrong...this bears some investigation.
 
2013-05-01 01:50:52 PM  

GungFu: Oh fark off!

Seems to me you're the one who believes in any bullshiat these kooks dish out, including the 'Starchild' alien skull bollocks, or whatever 'proof' they've used in the past.


Well since you have it all figured out, why don't you tell me what it is.
 
2013-05-01 01:51:50 PM  
Does anyone have a link that isn't the Examiner or the guy's own website? I find it impossible to believe that that thing is real, let alone that it was a human that survived 6-8 years.
 
2013-05-01 01:52:56 PM  

swahnhennessy: Does anyone have a link that isn't the Examiner or the guy's own website? I find it impossible to believe that that thing is real, let alone that it was a human that survived 6-8 years.


http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4- 22 -2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf
 
2013-05-01 01:56:08 PM  
Did you not get the bit about the guy's own website? You're really going to give that to me as a source? You can't be serious Sirius.
 
2013-05-01 01:56:43 PM  
I think I know enough about human nature to know if that thing ever actually lived it spent a sizable portion its life shoved up some guys arse.
 
2013-05-01 01:58:41 PM  

chuggernaught: SirEattonHogg: I would guess one problem with this "thing" being an alien species is if it got here, then that denotes intelligence and its head size seems too small to have the brain power. Obvious intelligence that could create an interstellar spacecraft capable of large distances.

I've read that there is no direct correlation between body size and brain power in a species.  For instance, humans don't possess the biggest brain, but obviously we're the smartest on the planet.  OTOH, isn't there a minimum brain size needed for developing self-awareness, critical thought, imagination, etc?

What makes you think humans are the smartest on the planet?
What makes you think an advanced alien race would think humans are the smartest creature on the planet?


www.technovelgy.com
 
2013-05-01 01:58:59 PM  

swahnhennessy: Did you not get the bit about the guy's own website? You're really going to give that to me as a source? You can't be serious Sirius.


Right, now read it, and follow the links in the report, from the scientists that did the testing. I am telling you that it is legit. I personally conversed with one of the scientists.

I am not saying that this is an alien. What I am saying is that they don't know what it is.
 
2013-05-01 02:00:16 PM  
it certainly does look delicious, that's for sure
 
2013-05-01 02:04:07 PM  

SirEattonHogg: but obviously we're the smartest on the planet.


www.cwporter.com
 
2013-05-01 02:04:27 PM  
'Since this does not agree with my narrow and uneducated view of reality, I am going to call bullshiat.'
 
2013-05-01 02:04:50 PM  
From the Discovery article linked in TFA:

"The skull also showed signs of turricephaly, or high-head syndrome, a birth defect in which the top of the skull is cone-shaped."

shesaidzed.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-01 02:18:00 PM  

internut scholar: One thing I find fascinating is that how so many people are ready to call BS on this but really have no idea the circumstances behind this story. It's almost as if people only believe what is spoon feed to them. They don't have to do any further thinking because the guys on the evening news, or the NYT didn't say so.


Thank you for saving me those keystrokes.  The people who just snort "BS" are one thing; normal skeptical reaction. But the ones who spin fantasies more fantastic than TFA to "support" their skepticism are just precious.

"When faced with the choice of changing their minds or proving that it is unnecessary to do so, most people immediately get busy on the proof."  John K. Galbraith.
 
2013-05-01 02:18:01 PM  

Choo-Choo Bear: The finds were released in a new documentary called Sirius.

In addition to studying the origins of Ata, Sirius explores the subject of UFO and ET visitation, the disclosure of secret UFO files, and the investigation of advanced energy and propulsion technologies extra-terrestrial civilizations are using to travel to Earth.

Sirius premiered in Los Angeles on Earth Day and was released online and in select theaters starting last month.

This is a promotion for a film.  It's a fake documentary.


It certainly looks like that. The guy behind this is not only saying it's proof of aliens, but also promising new free energy technology. This whole thing just reeks of 100% utter BS. It seems to be a nice career for a UFO nutter... Just accept some fake artifact from someone and Kickstarter a movie based around examining it. As long as there are other UFO kooks willing to shell out some bucks on projects like that he'll make himself a nice living.
 
2013-05-01 02:19:26 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Looks like alien mummy jerky to me.


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2013-05-01 02:21:11 PM  

Proximuscentauri: 'Since this does not agrees with my narrow and uneducated view of reality, I am going to call bullshiat just choose to believe what I want to believe in my heart.'


FTFY
 
2013-05-01 02:21:56 PM  

internut scholar: GungFu: Oh fark off!

Seems to me you're the one who believes in any bullshiat these kooks dish out, including the 'Starchild' alien skull bollocks, or whatever 'proof' they've used in the past.

Well since you have it all figured out, why don't you tell me what it is.



I don't think your mind can process the idea that the figurine is neither human nor alien. It's a shiatty model attached to a story spun for the idiots who have the capability of thinking that it can be some ET from another planet. Throughout history there has been extremely similiar attempts at deception.

Throughout history, there has not been an alien lifeform (of the popular culture kind) found on earth. I rest my case.
 
2013-05-01 02:27:50 PM  

GungFu: internut scholar: GungFu: Oh fark off!

Seems to me you're the one who believes in any bullshiat these kooks dish out, including the 'Starchild' alien skull bollocks, or whatever 'proof' they've used in the past.

Well since you have it all figured out, why don't you tell me what it is.


I don't think your mind can process the idea that the figurine is neither human nor alien. It's a shiatty model attached to a story spun for the idiots who have the capability of thinking that it can be some ET from another planet. Throughout history there has been extremely similiar attempts at deception.

Throughout history, there has not been an alien lifeform (of the popular culture kind) found on earth. I rest my case.


So you are implying the scientists Dr. Nolan and Dr. Greer are staking their professional careers and totally making this shiat up about it testing positive for human DNA when in reality it is just a doll?

Again not saying it isn't possible, but just like that thing ACTUALLY being an alien, it is a long shot.
 
2013-05-01 02:28:24 PM  
Some more background on Dr. Greer, the guy behind this latest alien hoax. He literally claims that an alien ambassador from the Andromeda Galaxy named "Bijou" follows him around. So everyone who seems to have lost all critical reasoning capabilities and are blathering on about how people who are skeptical aren't being open-minded enough should really keep that in mind.

He's a known loon, and this is yet another hoax. It's not that skeptics aren't open-minded enough.... it's just that you're so "open-minded" that you're too willing to believe any silly garbage which conforms to your desires.
 
2013-05-01 02:30:59 PM  
Why are people arguing that this thing isn't an alien?  The whole article is saying nothing but "this isn't an alien" and everyone in the thread is saying "this isn't an alien" and yet I still see a bunch of posts saying (paraphrased) "DURRRR, nutjobs thinks this is an alien, dumbasses" when the one thing I see everyone agreeing on...IS THAT IT ISN'T AN ALIEN.

Jesus...just INCLUDING the word alien in teh headline is apparently all it takes.

I read about the tiny skeleton on Yahoo earlier today, but I imagine every internet article is using the same sources.  In the end it looks like all they know is:

DNA is human, no (known) markers for dwarfism, has the wrong number of ribs, not a fetus.

/And since we are all internet-armchair-scientizing about it, my guess is weird random mutation that we don't see because it is not conducive to survival, therefore the mutation is not reinforced and is not increasingly present in the gene pool.
//Or, ya know, it's aliens...
 
2013-05-01 02:32:44 PM  

DeathCipris: So you are implying the scientists Dr. Nolan and Dr. Greer are staking their professional careers and totally making this shiat up about it testing positive for human DNA when in reality it is just a doll?

Again not saying it isn't possible, but just like that thing ACTUALLY being an alien, it is a long shot.



Uhhh, see that makes no sense at all. It being an actual alien would be the long shot - being a hoax is all too common. There's been many supposed skeletons of fantastical things throughout history which have been hoaxes.

And Dr. Greer is a known nutbag who claims aliens from another galaxy literally follow him around, and that every time he observes the night sky he sees alien spaceships. So hoax is not only the more likely explanation, it's almost certainly THE explanation.
 
2013-05-01 02:33:31 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

I thought they were taller in the books.
 
2013-05-01 02:33:35 PM  

GungFu: I don't think your mind can process the idea that the figurine is neither human nor alien. It's a shiatty model attached to a story spun for the idiots who have the capability of thinking that it can be some ET from another planet. Throughout history there has been extremely similiar attempts at deception.

Throughout history, there has not been an alien lifeform (of the popular culture kind) found on earth. I rest my case.



Except for the parts where you are totally wrong I agree with you.

The part where you are wrong is that this "figurine" is a biological humanoid and that it is not a hoax.

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/signed-Lachma n- report.pdf

http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Chile-Specime n_ GPN-Summary.pdf
 
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