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(CBS Sports)   The 1988 Indians have produced five current MLB managers. Jobu approves   (cbssports.com) divider line 36
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2013-05-01 11:23:36 AM
"It's funny to look back at that list," says Bob DiBiasio, the Indians' public relations director in '88 and senior vice-president, public affairs today.

Mr. DiBiasio then concluded his statement by shouting, "Everybody's got a price! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
 
2013-05-01 11:25:52 AM
"We're out of towels and I'm too old to go diving into lockers!"
 
2013-05-01 11:45:11 AM
Jobu approves?  You sayin Jesus Christ couldn't manage a MLB team?
 
2013-05-01 11:53:39 AM
None of them had any marbles!
 
2013-05-01 12:22:47 PM
Those who can't do, teach.  Those who can't teach, teach gym.  Those who can't teach gym, manage.
 
2013-05-01 12:36:06 PM
I was more shocked to see that WMMS is the radio home for the Cleveland Indians
 
2013-05-01 12:49:17 PM

Over_Zealously_Apathetic: Those who can't do, teach.  Those who can't teach, teach gym.  Those who can't teach gym, manage.


Those who can't manage, manage the Indians
 
2013-05-01 12:51:09 PM
Up yer butt Jobu
 
2013-05-01 12:57:05 PM
I was curious which single season team produced the most managers, rather than asking fark I asked google.

It appears to be the 1956 St. Louis Cardinals: Ken Boyer, Alvin Dark, Joe Frazier, Alex Grammas, Grady Hatton, Solly Hemus, Whitey Lockman, Red Schoendienst, Bill Virdon.

(Discounting the problem with 19th century player-managers, etc).

Link
 
2013-05-01 01:03:48 PM

Lee's_Austin: Jobu approves?  You sayin Jesus Christ couldn't manage a MLB team?


Nope.
 
2013-05-01 01:23:24 PM
Is very bad...
 
2013-05-01 01:29:28 PM

TheManofPA: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: Those who can't do, teach.  Those who can't teach, teach gym.  Those who can't teach gym, manage.

Those who can't manage, manage the Indians


" Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls."
 
2013-05-01 01:46:35 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-01 01:47:52 PM

Tiberius Gracchus: I was curious which single season team produced the most managers, rather than asking fark I asked google.

It appears to be the 1956 St. Louis Cardinals: Ken Boyer, Alvin Dark, Joe Frazier, Alex Grammas, Grady Hatton, Solly Hemus, Whitey Lockman, Red Schoendienst, Bill Virdon.

(Discounting the problem with 19th century player-managers, etc).

Link


They were not all on the roster at the same time though, the Cardinals had some big trades during the season and several players on the manager list were traded for other players on the manager list
 
2013-05-01 01:50:38 PM
A better question: Who was the last non-shiatty player to become a manager?

Don Mattingly is the only one I can think of currently managing. Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

// Pete Rose, for the win-lulz
 
2013-05-01 01:52:47 PM

El Supe: They were not all on the roster at the same time though, the Cardinals had some big trades during the season and several players on the manager list were traded for other players on the manager list


Interesting - but probably leaves the 59/60 Braves as most simultaneous future managers on a team (and for the longest period of time).

I wonder what the team had the "most" "good" future managers lurking deep on the bench.
 
2013-05-01 01:53:02 PM

Dr Dreidel: A better question: Who was the last non-shiatty player to become a manager?

Don Mattingly is the only one I can think of currently managing. Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

// Pete Rose, for the win-lulz


Robin Ventura
 
2013-05-01 01:53:28 PM

Dr Dreidel: A better question: Who was the last non-shiatty player to become a manager?

Don Mattingly is the only one I can think of currently managing. Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

// Pete Rose, for the win-lulz


Kirk Gibson.
 
2013-05-01 02:24:34 PM
You might run like Mays but you run manage like shiat.
 
2013-05-01 02:48:24 PM
Hey bartender. Jobu needs a refill.
 
2013-05-01 02:49:58 PM

Dr Dreidel: Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.


Torre should probably be in the Hall of Fame as a player, so you do not remember correctly.
 
2013-05-01 02:53:36 PM

Ishkur: Hey bartender. Jobu needs a refill.


Is very bad to steal Jobu's rum.

/Is very bad
 
2013-05-01 02:54:39 PM
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.
 
2013-05-01 02:57:58 PM

DeWayne Mann: Dr Dreidel: Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

Torre should probably be in the Hall of Fame as a player, so you do not remember correctly.


If you go by Baseball-Reference.com, it seems he's more in the Hall of Very Good.  In his 15th and final season of eligiblity, he got 22% support, and never got more than 15% in any other year....

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/torrejo01.shtml
 
2013-05-01 03:09:05 PM

buckeyebrain: DeWayne Mann: Dr Dreidel: Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

Torre should probably be in the Hall of Fame as a player, so you do not remember correctly.

If you go by Baseball-Reference.com, it seems he's more in the Hall of Very Good.  In his 15th and final season of eligiblity, he got 22% support, and never got more than 15% in any other year....

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/torrejo01.shtml


Well, I'm not going by the voters. Because they're dumb. The more important takeaway there is his JAWS ranking (7th best catcher, ahead of several other catchers).

A somewhat better site for HOF stuff is Hall of Stats, where every player is given a score based on WAR & WAA. A score of 100 or more is Hall of Stats worthy, and the HoS has the same number of players as the HoF. Torre's score is 111:

http://www.hallofstats.com/player/torrejo01
 
2013-05-01 04:09:56 PM

Dafatone: Dr Dreidel: A better question: Who was the last non-shiatty player to become a manager?

Don Mattingly is the only one I can think of currently managing. Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

// Pete Rose, for the win-lulz

Kirk Gibson.


What, no love for Frank Robinson?
 
2013-05-01 04:30:27 PM

UberDave: "We're out of towels and I'm too old to go diving into lockers!"


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-01 04:47:41 PM

SnatchMcGillicudy: Dafatone: Dr Dreidel: A better question: Who was the last non-shiatty player to become a manager?

Don Mattingly is the only one I can think of currently managing. Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

// Pete Rose, for the win-lulz

Kirk Gibson.

What, no love for Frank Robinson?


Indeed. Although most of their managerial turns were brief, the 1964 Reds had a few decent players turn manager later on (and a few "Who?" ones):

starters:
Pete Rose
Frank Robinson
Steve Boros

reserves:
Tony Perez
Tommy Helms
Bob Skinner
Mel Queen (5 games in 1997)

/and for kicks, Gordy Coleman who went on to be an announcer.
 
2013-05-01 05:27:04 PM

Lee's_Austin: Jobu approves?  You sayin Jesus Christ couldn't manage a MLB team?


Well he sure can't hit a curve ball.
 
2013-05-01 05:30:51 PM
*looking up from a Hustler magazine to see Cerrano praying*
Oh, sure, NOW you come around.  He's not fooled.
 
2013-05-01 08:20:27 PM

DeWayne Mann: buckeyebrain: DeWayne Mann: Dr Dreidel: Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

Torre should probably be in the Hall of Fame as a player, so you do not remember correctly.

If you go by Baseball-Reference.com, it seems he's more in the Hall of Very Good.  In his 15th and final season of eligiblity, he got 22% support, and never got more than 15% in any other year....

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/torrejo01.shtml

Well, I'm not going by the voters. Because they're dumb. The more important takeaway there is his JAWS ranking (7th best catcher, ahead of several other catchers).

A somewhat better site for HOF stuff is Hall of Stats, where every player is given a score based on WAR & WAA. A score of 100 or more is Hall of Stats worthy, and the HoS has the same number of players as the HoF. Torre's score is 111:

http://www.hallofstats.com/player/torrejo01

Way to dork up a "Major League" thread.
 
2013-05-02 11:38:41 AM

BKITU: "It's funny to look back at that list," says Bob DiBiasio, the Indians' public relations director in '88 and senior vice-president, public affairs today.

Mr. DiBiasio then concluded his statement by shouting, "Everybody's got a price! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"


*standing ovation*
 
2013-05-02 01:51:05 PM

Dr Dreidel: A better question: Who was the last non-shiatty player to become a manager?

Don Mattingly is the only one I can think of currently managing. Torre maybe, but IIRC, his stats are kind of pedestrian.

// Pete Rose, for the win-lulz


Mike Scioscia is listed as having the 133rd best defensive WAR on bb-ref.  Given the thousands upon thousands of players that have played MLB so far, that stat puts him squarely in the "non-shiatty" category.  He wasn't a superstar.

I would also go with Dusty Baker as a non-shiatty player that became a manager.  I would posit that most notable players turned managers (outside of Mattingly, Scioscia, Baker, Ventura, Gibson etc) are decent players that turned manager (Weiss, Melvin, Bochy, Black, Girardi, Matheny, etc).
 
2013-05-02 03:26:52 PM

buckeyebrain: Ishkur: Hey bartender. Jobu needs a refill.

Is very bad to steal Jobu's rum.

/Is very bad



www.clevescene.com

Up yerz, Jobu!
 
2013-05-02 05:36:28 PM

ladodger34: Mike Scioscia is listed as having the 133rd best defensive WAR on bb-ref.


Because of the way dWAR is calculated, that basically just means "he played catcher a lot, and wasn't a complete trainwreck at it."
 
2013-05-03 01:55:17 AM
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