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(Talking Points Memo)   Daughter of Newtown principal: Why are gun shops more important than the people that get slain. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH): I...um....well you see. When a lobbyist gives the politician little gifts to secure a vote and...I'm screwed, aren't I?   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 346
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2013-05-01 08:24:21 AM
It is about hyperpartisanship, not lobbying.
 
2013-05-01 08:32:03 AM
Why yes, yes you are
 
2013-05-01 09:01:07 AM
Kelly Ayotte (R-NH): I...um....Because you're a whore!
 
2013-05-01 09:03:20 AM
Same reason car dealers and manufacturers are more important than the people that die in car accidents.

Same reason hospitals and doctors are more important than patients that die from medical malpractice.

Guns, cars, doctors and hospitals do more good than harm.
 
2013-05-01 09:05:48 AM

Pick: Same reason car dealers and manufacturers are more important than the people that die in car accidents.

Same reason hospitals and doctors are more important than patients that die from medical malpractice.

Guns, cars, doctors and hospitals do more good than harm.


LOL!
 
2013-05-01 09:05:58 AM
Because background checks wouldn't have prevent the Newtown killings because the shooter didn't buy any of the guns he used, he stole them from his mother.
 
2013-05-01 09:06:38 AM
I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."
 
2013-05-01 09:07:41 AM

Saiga410: I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."


Maybe you would understand why if it was your mother that was gunned down?

Maybe
 
2013-05-01 09:09:00 AM
No, Saiga410 would respect the right of the gun owner to have shot his mother.... she likely deserved it for getting in the way of the bullet.
 
2013-05-01 09:09:11 AM
Why are the Auto makers more important?

Why are Tobacco growers more important?

Why are Alcohol makers more important?

Why are ....
 
2013-05-01 09:09:28 AM

CPennypacker: Saiga410: I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."

Maybe you would understand why if it was your mother that was gunned down?

Maybe


Doubtful.
 
2013-05-01 09:10:04 AM

CPennypacker: Saiga410: I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."

Maybe you would understand why if it was your mother that was gunned down?

Maybe


Under the same circumstances?..... no.
 
2013-05-01 09:10:30 AM
If I may just defend Ayotte, however backhanded of a defense it may be . . .

Americans have just recently begun to pull their heads out of their asses vis-a-vis gun control.  For decades Americans have been content to just sit and watch while one mass murder after another transpires, all the while saying, more or less, "The second amendment is too sacred to place any limitations on it whatsoever."  Ayotte had every reason from precedent to believe that nobody would care, or that she would be applauded by her constituents, if she voted against background checks.

The fact that politicians didn't feel afraid to vote against it IN THE FIRST PLACE is a pathetic statement on Americans' gun obsession and short attention spans.
 
2013-05-01 09:10:37 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Because background checks wouldn't have prevent the Newtown killings because the shooter didn't buy any of the guns he used, he stole them from his mother.


So obviously background checks would never work.
 
2013-05-01 09:10:56 AM

Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."

Maybe you would understand why if it was your mother that was gunned down?

Maybe

Under the same circumstances?..... no.


Sad
 
2013-05-01 09:12:35 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Because background checks wouldn't have prevent the Newtown killings because the shooter didn't buy any of the guns he used, he stole them from his mother.


People from the left also want to ban the similar weapons the Newtown shooter used. Is that what you are recommending instead (or besides) the background check?
 
2013-05-01 09:12:59 AM

cheyanne9: Why are the Auto makers more important?

Why are Tobacco growers more important?

Why are Alcohol makers more important?

Why are ....


I think we would be all ok if the sale, manufacturing and distribution of guns were treated with the same level of regulations Autos, Tobacco & Alcohol.
 
2013-05-01 09:14:55 AM

Komplex: cheyanne9: Why are the Auto makers more important?

Why are Tobacco growers more important?

Why are Alcohol makers more important?

Why are ....

I think we would be all ok if the sale, manufacturing and distribution of guns were treated with the same level of regulations Autos, Tobacco & Alcohol.


I'm listening
 
2013-05-01 09:21:01 AM
Reap what you sow...

The real reason?

The gun manufacturing lobby has far more power and influence than some nobody like the daughter of a principal and whores like Ayotte are far more beholden to the one's who hold the purse strings then they are to people who have lost loves ones to gun violence.
 
2013-05-01 09:21:57 AM
Perhaps it's because Ayotte is another pair of tits that republicans have used to convince men to vote for them and a vagina they used to get women to vote against their self-interest.
 
2013-05-01 09:22:05 AM

CPennypacker: Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."

Maybe you would understand why if it was your mother that was gunned down?

Maybe

Under the same circumstances?..... no.

Sad


If it is so easy, what is the logical connection between background checks and her tragedy or the recent high visibilty shootings?
 
2013-05-01 09:22:05 AM

Pick: Same reason car dealers and manufacturers are more important than the people that die in car accidents.

Same reason hospitals and doctors are more important than patients that die from medical malpractice.

Guns, cars, doctors and hospitals do more good than harm.


0/10.

/Overused
 
2013-05-01 09:22:34 AM

Pick: Same reason car dealers and manufacturers are more important than the people that die in car accidents.

Same reason hospitals and doctors are more important than patients that die from medical malpractice.

Guns, cars, doctors and hospitals do more good than harm.


One of these things is not like the other.

PR tip: most people don't consider "death or grievous bodily injury" or "threat of death or grievous bodily injury" to be good.
 
2013-05-01 09:23:19 AM

keylock71: Reap what you sow...

The real reason?

The gun manufacturing lobby has far more power and influence than some nobody like the daughter of a principal and whores like Ayotte are far more beholden to the one's who hold the purse strings then they are to people who have lost loves ones to gun violence.


Problem is that people are starting to realize these peoples are whores. Doesn't matter how much money the lobbieists pay if you get elected out of office, as Romney found out.
 
2013-05-01 09:23:26 AM
Because job creators and shut up.
 
2013-05-01 09:23:27 AM

The Name: If I may just defend Ayotte, however backhanded of a defense it may be . . .

Americans have just recently begun to pull their heads out of their asses vis-a-vis gun control.  For decades Americans have been content to just sit and watch while one mass murder after another transpires, all the while saying, more or less, "The second amendment is too sacred to place any limitations on it whatsoever."  Ayotte had every reason from precedent to believe that nobody would care, or that she would be applauded by her constituents, if she voted against background checks.

The fact that politicians didn't feel afraid to vote against it IN THE FIRST PLACE is a pathetic statement on Americans' gun obsession and short attention spans.


So your assertion is that because she has never been called out for being a scumbag before its unfair for us to do it now. If you say so.
 
2013-05-01 09:23:42 AM
We should not only background check the person attempting to buy the gun but all of their known acquaintances, family members, and neighbors. The government should send agents door to door to question everyone who has ever befriended or worked with the gun purchaser.  That is the only way they will know whether there is a risk of a nutter or mentally ill person getting the gun.  Truly, only those who associate with the most upright individuals should be allowed to purchase a firearm. The government should also keep records about the crime rates in each neighborhood and determine if it is safe enough from crime for a person to own the gun there.  Really, only gated communities and those living in million dollar homes should be allowed to purchase guns since they will have guards to protect the housing from invasion and the gun from getting stolen. While we are at it, we should also have a yearly tax on firearms which will enable the IRS to conduct random home checks on a regular basis to ensure compliance with the law.
 
2013-05-01 09:25:30 AM

Shaggy_C: We should not only background check the person attempting to buy the gun but all of their known acquaintances, family members, and neighbors. The government should send agents door to door to question everyone who has ever befriended or worked with the gun purchaser.  That is the only way they will know whether there is a risk of a nutter or mentally ill person getting the gun.  Truly, only those who associate with the most upright individuals should be allowed to purchase a firearm. The government should also keep records about the crime rates in each neighborhood and determine if it is safe enough from crime for a person to own the gun there.  Really, only gated communities and those living in million dollar homes should be allowed to purchase guns since they will have guards to protect the housing from invasion and the gun from getting stolen. While we are at it, we should also have a yearly tax on firearms which will enable the IRS to conduct random home checks on a regular basis to ensure compliance with the law.


0/10 You're not even trying.
 
2013-05-01 09:26:31 AM

Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."

Maybe you would understand why if it was your mother that was gunned down?

Maybe

Under the same circumstances?..... no.

Sad

If it is so easy, what is the logical connection between background checks and her tragedy or the recent high visibilty shootings?


Her mother was a victim of gun violence. Background checks will reduce gun violence by making it harder for the wrong people to get guns

Gee that was hard. What a reach.
 
2013-05-01 09:27:43 AM

Pick: Guns, cars, doctors and hospitals do more good than harm.


You'll get lots of bites, but it would have been a lot funnier if you'd used bath tubs instead of hospitals.

keylock71: The gun manufacturing lobby


Can we please stop blaming the NRA for our inability to pass even the most common-sense gun legislation and put it where it belongs, please: gun owners.

The fact is that the people say they want common-sense change like universal background checks, but the reality is they just don't care enough about people like this woman's mother or the dead kids to actually make it happen. If it happens great, if not, nobody seems to care.

We can't have common sense legislation on this issue because Americans are cynical, self-important dickheads who care more about their "toys" than the well-being of anybody they don't know, not because the NRA holds any special sway and that's all their is to it.

Americans don't farking care about dead kids. That's why we can't have common sense rules about guns.
 
2013-05-01 09:30:12 AM

Shaggy_C: We should not only background check the person attempting to buy the gun but all of their known acquaintances, family members, and neighbors. The government should send agents door to door to question everyone who has ever befriended or worked with the gun purchaser.  That is the only way they will know whether there is a risk of a nutter or mentally ill person getting the gun.  Truly, only those who associate with the most upright individuals should be allowed to purchase a firearm. The government should also keep records about the crime rates in each neighborhood and determine if it is safe enough from crime for a person to own the gun there.  Really, only gated communities and those living in million dollar homes should be allowed to purchase guns since they will have guards to protect the housing from invasion and the gun from getting stolen. While we are at it, we should also have a yearly tax on firearms which will enable the IRS to conduct random home checks on a regular basis to ensure compliance with the law.


Shaggy_C, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
2013-05-01 09:31:07 AM

Chewb1zz: Shaggy_C, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


I take it you're not familiar with his work?
 
2013-05-01 09:31:59 AM
Because the Constitution says so and if you allow the government to take away one right... where will it end?

Now sweetheart, what you should be asking is, why doesn't the government focus their energies on providing schools and other soft targets with well trained armed security to protect us instead of trying to pass laws that the nut jobs that will never abide by?
 
2013-05-01 09:32:04 AM
Let's ask another question, if any of the suggested laws were in place would it have stopped that nut from killing those children in Newton? From my understanding it would not, it would just create more burden on law abiding citizens.
 
2013-05-01 09:33:10 AM
Unsatisfied with Ayotte's answer, Lafferty "stood and stormed out" of the town hall. "I had had enough," she said.

So she didn't get what she wanted and runs off in a huff biatching and complaining she didn't get the answer she wanted...
 
2013-05-01 09:33:24 AM
The nation's top gun lobby, the National Rifle Association, and the National Shooting Sports Foundation each began running radio ads on Monday in New Hampshire thanking Ayotte for opposing legislation that would have expanded background checks on firearm purchases.

Wow, they're actually paying for their own negative press, impressive.
 
2013-05-01 09:33:33 AM

CPennypacker: Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."

Maybe you would understand why if it was your mother that was gunned down?

Maybe

Under the same circumstances?..... no.

Sad

If it is so easy, what is the logical connection between background checks and her tragedy or the recent high visibilty shootings?

Her mother was a victim of gun violence. Background checks will reduce gun violence by making it harder for the wrong people to get guns

Gee that was hard. What a reach.


As an extention from her tragedy it is a reach.
 
2013-05-01 09:35:35 AM

KellyX: So she didn't get what she wanted and runs off in a huff biatching and complaining she didn't get the answer she wanted...


Yea, because if there's one thing no reasonable person would ever get frustrated with it's the type of prevaricating horseshiat "answer" you usually get from a politician....
 
2013-05-01 09:35:54 AM
I love when the headline makes it look like the shiatty politician got served, but the article tells a completely different story.
 
2013-05-01 09:36:50 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Because background checks wouldn't have prevent the Newtown killings because the shooter didn't buy any of the guns he used, he stole them from his mother.


And since he was about to be committed, I'm not sure how fixing the mental health system would help. The fact is though, that Newtown, while tragic, is a small percentage of the murders in this country. The only reason anybody pays attention is that it was mostly cute little white kids from a nice neighborhood who were murdered.
 
2013-05-01 09:36:53 AM
You know, it's really sad that when 3 people are killed in a terrorist attack by some scary Muslims that the republicans are a-ok with trampling 9 out of 10 of the bill of rights, but god forbid you suggest running background checks on all gun purchases to make sure convicted criminals and crazy people don't get their hands on firearms. All of a sudden, the care about people's rights.
 
2013-05-01 09:36:58 AM
 
2013-05-01 09:37:01 AM

Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: CPennypacker: Saiga410: I would have gone with "Mam, what the heck does your mom's death have to do with background checks?  I can understand a desire for mental health reform, maybe increasing restrictions on households that have mentally il residents but for the life of me I cannot understand why you would hitch your pony up to that one issue."

Maybe you would understand why if it was your mother that was gunned down?

Maybe

Under the same circumstances?..... no.

Sad

If it is so easy, what is the logical connection between background checks and her tragedy or the recent high visibilty shootings?

Her mother was a victim of gun violence. Background checks will reduce gun violence by making it harder for the wrong people to get guns

Gee that was hard. What a reach.

As an extention from her tragedy it is a reach.


You may disagree with her ultimate reasoning, but you're pretty friggin hopeless if you can't understand why she wants stricter gun control in any form after what she has gone through. It shows a lack of empathy which, when you think about it, is pretty distrubing.
 
2013-05-01 09:37:09 AM

Arthur Jumbles: Because background checks wouldn't have prevent the Newtown killings because the shooter didn't buy any of the guns he used, he stole them from his mother.


And as we all know, if you can't solve 100% of the problem with one single piece of legislation, there's no point in doing anything. I mean, why even bother? It's hopeless.

Shiat like this is why I've stopped pretending to be shocked when some loon goes off on a tear and shoots up a school. Hey, news flash: IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. It will keep happening until someone has the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the gun lobby.
 
2013-05-01 09:37:28 AM

praymantis: Let's ask another question, if any of the suggested laws were in place would it have stopped that nut from killing those children in Newton? From my understanding it would not, it would just create more burden on law abiding citizens.


It wouldn't have; Now maybe if they had something in there to prevent his mother from keeping guns in her home with a mentally sick person, that might of had some chance of stopping it, but then again, he might just as easily grabbed a knife and did the same shiat.
 
2013-05-01 09:37:48 AM
Let's talk about how if we can't solve everything at once we shouldn't do anything.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-01 09:40:13 AM

Pick: Guns, cars, doctors and hospitals do more good than harm.


If some magic wizard waved his staff and made all the cars, doctors and hospitals disappear tomorrow, our world would suck.

 
If the same magic wizard waved his staff and made all the guns disappear, the world would be no worse and probably better.
 
2013-05-01 09:40:15 AM

skozlaw: KellyX: So she didn't get what she wanted and runs off in a huff biatching and complaining she didn't get the answer she wanted...

Yea, because if there's one thing no reasonable person would ever get frustrated with it's the type of prevaricating horseshiat "answer" you usually get from a politician....


If the girl is smart enough to know that the Republican is in the pocket of lobbyists, then she's smart enough to know that her confronting her won't do shiat either.

Bottom line is she was trying to stir up shiat and make the Republican look bad in front of the media.

/I don't object to the concept, but let's be honest, she never expected to get the answer she'd want, she just was trying to make her look bad
 
2013-05-01 09:40:33 AM
Brick-House: ......... instead of trying to pass laws that the nut jobs that will never abide by?

Then some one from the gun control side can ask--Why have laws against murder or have stop signs and traffic lights?
 
2013-05-01 09:40:34 AM
Republicans: Our Great National Shame
 
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