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(National Geographic)   Study shows conservatives avoid buying cost-efficient light bulbs if they are labeled "environmentally-friendly"   (news.nationalgeographic.com ) divider line 104
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2013-05-01 04:11:55 AM  
"Gawd dangit if'n it haint f*ckin' up the planet, ah don't want it an' I ain't a gonna be buyin' no hippie light bulbs fer no Marxist tree huggers, cause MERKuh, gawd dangit!1!1"  In other news, every dipsh*t with an ax to grind because it's not 1951 anymore calls themselves "conservative".
 
2013-05-01 04:33:24 AM  
These, I'm guessing, are the same folks who let you know that they'll eat two animals for every one you don't.
 
2013-05-01 04:58:36 AM  
There is something broken in your head if you eschew energy-saving bulbs because it might make some hippy content. I mean, it's sociopathic and masochistic at the same time. It's like cutting off your nose because liberals have noses, too.

/i didn't want to say "make some hippy happy."
 
2013-05-01 05:53:45 AM  
Nothing like good conservative values than to waste money and energy because you hate the hippies. The Ironic tag is around here somewhere
 
2013-05-01 06:24:34 AM  
It looks like "If dem enbironmentalics are fur it, I'm agin' it!" has been covered.

I don't understand this. If product A costs the same as B in initial purchase, but the ongoing costs are lower for the same effect, why not switch?

And even then, Product A might be cheaper than Product B in the initial cost...

This makes no sense to me. Then again, i'm not an American conservative.
 
2013-05-01 06:45:04 AM  
I can't speak for "conservatives", but I can relate my own experience.

I was an early adopter of CFL's, and have now switched most of my "always seems to be on" lighting to LED's. In both cases, the new lighting technology promised energy savings which would more than compensate for the higher cost of bulbs-as well as the annoying light qualities.

My own experience is that "environmentally friendly" is a synonym for "expensive lighting products that have nowhere near the lifetime we quote on the package". LED lighting seems to be about the worst, although it is improving.

I save all the packaging from LED lighting as well as the receipts-and constantly seem to be spending $5 to mail a burned-out bulb to the manufacturer for a "free" replacement. I have carefully avoided calculating total cost of ownership for these things, but I have the feeling they aren't saving me anything.

And if you add in the environmental cost of mailing lightbulbs around the country, all the extra packaging, and the cost to make and dispose of the defective units-it might very well be a  wash.
 
2013-05-01 07:29:51 AM  
I bought a twelve pack of those little curly bulbs from Amazon for about 9 bucks. That was like a year ago I guess? Still have four under the sink.

Seem like every other light bulb to me.
 
2013-05-01 07:31:36 AM  

mr_a: save all the packaging from LED lighting as well as the receipts-and constantly seem to be spending $5 to mail a burned-out bulb to the manufacturer for a "free" replacement.


And am I guessing you think that makes you sound sane and smart in some way?
 
2013-05-01 07:34:43 AM  

mr_a: I can't speak for "conservatives", but I can relate my own experience.

I was an early adopter of CFL's, and have now switched most of my "always seems to be on" lighting to LED's. In both cases, the new lighting technology promised energy savings which would more than compensate for the higher cost of bulbs-as well as the annoying light qualities.

My own experience is that "environmentally friendly" is a synonym for "expensive lighting products that have nowhere near the lifetime we quote on the package". LED lighting seems to be about the worst, although it is improving.

I save all the packaging from LED lighting as well as the receipts-and constantly seem to be spending $5 to mail a burned-out bulb to the manufacturer for a "free" replacement. I have carefully avoided calculating total cost of ownership for these things, but I have the feeling they aren't saving me anything.

And if you add in the environmental cost of mailing lightbulbs around the country, all the extra packaging, and the cost to make and dispose of the defective units-it might very well be a  wash.


Seriously dude. Why would you do all that? In what sort of recess of your human hindbrain, did any of this make sense to you?
 
2013-05-01 07:36:31 AM  
Here's what you do. Throw out the damn bulb, and buy a new one.

See how that works?
 
2013-05-01 07:40:36 AM  

Confabulat: mr_a: I can't speak for "conservatives", but I can relate my own experience.

I was an early adopter of CFL's, and have now switched most of my "always seems to be on" lighting to LED's. In both cases, the new lighting technology promised energy savings which would more than compensate for the higher cost of bulbs-as well as the annoying light qualities.

My own experience is that "environmentally friendly" is a synonym for "expensive lighting products that have nowhere near the lifetime we quote on the package". LED lighting seems to be about the worst, although it is improving.

I save all the packaging from LED lighting as well as the receipts-and constantly seem to be spending $5 to mail a burned-out bulb to the manufacturer for a "free" replacement. I have carefully avoided calculating total cost of ownership for these things, but I have the feeling they aren't saving me anything.

And if you add in the environmental cost of mailing lightbulbs around the country, all the extra packaging, and the cost to make and dispose of the defective units-it might very well be a  wash.

Seriously dude. Why would you do all that? In what sort of recess of your human hindbrain, did any of this make sense to you?


I don't know about you, but when I buy a $25 light bulb, supposedly to save money, when it burns out after a month I expect a replacement.
 
2013-05-01 07:56:01 AM  

Confabulat: Here's what you do. Throw out the damn bulb, and buy a new one.

See how that works?


It must take a lot of butthurt to reply 4 times to one comment...
 
2013-05-01 08:19:43 AM  
Are you still allowed to call yourself "Conservative" if you openly brag that you waste money and energy as opposed to, y'know, conserving?
 
2013-05-01 08:25:20 AM  
I'm going to market my own line of light bulbs for target demographics. For example, label some "environmentally damaging." Once the concept takes off, I'll slowly rebrand to fit in the modern trend of shortening names - I'll just start calling them "mentally damaged"
 
2013-05-01 08:37:13 AM  
That's not conservative.
 
2013-05-01 08:39:06 AM  
I've been testing things like CFLs for years.  The good ones are very good compared to the bad ones and the bad ones are still getting worse.

At the office we started replacing the old school fluorescents with new LED replacements.  3 people in the office were started getting odd headaches so one night I moved the LEDs to where I couldn't see them.  3 of 4 of one type were cool to the touch but the other was hot enough that I ended up getting a blister on my fingers.  There is no way that bulb is saving energy over the older lights.

The new bulbs cost us $36 and they replaced bulbs that cost less than $5.  The new ones are about 5% more efficient than the old 37W bulbs.  Part of their inefficiency is due to the fact they are to be put in existing fixtures without removing the ballast.  It will cost us $50 a fixture to have the ballast removed.  It would be cheaper to put in T5 lights and they will save energy.

I've got no idea about the headaches.  I expect it was a result of the single bulb that gets hot but since the 4 of its kind have been moved into a hallway, there are no more headache complains.

After this story, I expect to see two sets of boxes, one with a pictures of peace signs and messages of Be Green! and the other with a more conservative design mentioning a great ROI.
 
2013-05-01 08:43:31 AM  
Conservative thinking (as in the modern (R) form, not the very traditional sense) tends to have stronger Critical Thinking characteristics than more liberal thinking.  Critical Thinking is a good thing in moderation but too little or too much is a very bad thing since one makes you naive and the other makes you paranoid.
 
2013-05-01 08:46:03 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: These, I'm guessing, are the same folks who let you know that they'll eat two animals for every one you don't.


Hey, some folks won't eat a skunk....then again, some folk'll.
 
2013-05-01 08:47:25 AM  
So what I'm hearing is that there's a good amount of money to be made from manipulating conservatives, and that they'll instinctively fall for it as long as you package something correctly.

Good to know.
 
2013-05-01 08:47:25 AM  
Repeat.
 
2013-05-01 08:48:15 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: These, I'm guessing, are the same folks who let you know that they'll eat hump two animals for every one you don't.


Allow me to offer a minor correction for the sake of accuracy.
 
2013-05-01 08:48:24 AM  
This was interesting yesterday, and it's even more interesting today!
 
2013-05-01 08:51:53 AM  
Well, if you know absolutely nothing about what you're buying other than what's on the packaging... statistically 99 times in 100 "environmentally friendly" means the price is jacked up for no reason with no actual benefit to the environment.  It's like "all-natural".

Light bulbs are one of the exceptions, sure, but it's not necessarily a bad rule of thumb.

//I like the CFLs because they last like 5 years lit and rarely have to be replaced more than the energy savings, honestly.  Needing to ensure they're recycled is a small price to pay for not having to think about it most of the time.
//LED bulbs... well, they're not really worth the increased price, their effective lifetime doesn't scale up anywhere near as well.
 
2013-05-01 08:52:30 AM  

markfara: This was interesting yesterday, and it's even more interesting today!


Study shows that Fark mods will keep green lighting links as long as they say "environmentally friendly."
 
2013-05-01 08:53:13 AM  
This is a repeat. 

So when it comes to selling energy efficient light bulbs to conservatives, the approach is similar to getting your dogs to eat broccoli.

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2013-05-01 08:55:35 AM  

Confabulat: Here's what you do. Throw out the damn bulb, and buy a new one.

See how that works?


OMG can you miss the point any more?

The entire point of buying an energy saving bulb is that the energy savings will offset the cost of the bulb.  if you buy the bulb for 20-50 bucks (some LEDs go that high) it damned well better last years and years to recoup the cost in energy savings.  When it doesn't, you simply paid WAY more for a bulb that doesn't last any longer than the old incandescents.

Derp.
 
2013-05-01 08:56:03 AM  

dogdaze: This is a repeat.


markfara: This was interesting yesterday, and it's even more interesting today!


Alphax: Repeat.



Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-05-01 08:57:56 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Are you still allowed to call yourself "Conservative" if you openly brag that you waste money and energy as opposed to, y'know, conserving?


Yes, because in America, 'conservative' means 'I do what Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/Coulter/AM radio tells me to do'. In the rest of the world, environmentalism is seen as a conservative value.
 
2013-05-01 09:04:44 AM  
You can't put a price on stupid, but you can figure out how to sell to it
 
2013-05-01 09:05:15 AM  
Try and keep a water pipe, valve or pressure regulator from freezing with a CFL bulb.
 
2013-05-01 09:05:58 AM  
If they feel so strongly about it, they should have impeached President Bush after he signed the law requiring more efficient light bulbs in 2007.
 
2013-05-01 09:06:44 AM  

Alphax: Repeat.


Yup.
 
2013-05-01 09:10:54 AM  

JAYoung: If they feel so strongly about it, they should have impeached President Bush after he signed the law requiring more efficient light bulbs in 2007.


Back to ignoring Obama's time machine again, I see. How convenient. Saul Alinsky has taught you well.
 
2013-05-01 09:11:22 AM  
LED bulbs burn out regularly?
 
2013-05-01 09:12:24 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Light bulbs are one of the exceptions, sure, but it's not necessarily a bad rule of thumb.


Because apparently putting five minutes of effort into educating oneself on the item in question is just too much to ask...

/ Oh, wait... education... conservatives... never mind, I see the problem
 
2013-05-01 09:13:20 AM  
What if global warming is just a hoax and we are making this a better planet to live on for nothing?
 
2013-05-01 09:13:54 AM  
This should be obvious, but "conservatives" are not conservative. They are right-wing ideologues. They are radicals and extremists.
 
2013-05-01 09:15:47 AM  
It's all about marketing:
Hey Bubba, check out these new light bulbs! It says here they've a got a new Doublewide swirl and lasts longer than a Motor Speedway rain delay
 
2013-05-01 09:18:36 AM  
Meh. While I don't doubt that many conservatives are viscerally opposed to anything environmental, and are willing to go against their self interests to spite environmentalists, it's very possible that people are turned off on products labeled "environmentally friendly" because those products sometimes suck ass compared to the standard "rape the earth" predecessors.

See the light bulbs in question.

I still have a box of low energy bulbs that I try to use whenever another bulb goes out, but I'm frequently vetoed by my super liberal wife who can't stand how long they take to provide maximum light. And she has a point, when you turn a light on you want light now, not wait a minute for the bulb to warm up.
 
2013-05-01 09:21:09 AM  

DON.MAC: Conservative thinking (as in the modern (R) form, not the very traditional sense) tends to have stronger Critical Thinking characteristics than more liberal thinking.  Critical Thinking is a good thing in moderation but too little or too much is a very bad thing since one makes you naive and the other makes you paranoid.


www.avforums.com
 
2013-05-01 09:25:09 AM  
I remember having a conversation with a got who wanted to buy a Hummer. Not because he needed one, or thought they looked cool, or would get him laid. He didn't even particularly like them. He j just wanted to drive one around town all day long because he thought it would piss off the hippies and libs.

Same thing here. To some minds buying an "environmentally friendly" lightbulb means the liberals win, and they'd rather literally light their money on fire than allow that. So avoiding lightbulbs is a minor thing.
 
2013-05-01 09:26:38 AM  
In this thread: repeated one-off posts by people complaining about problems of a first-generation product that hasn't been available outside of remainder sales and 'discount warehouse' stores for years. Also people complaining about how they liked it when replacing a recently burnt-out lightbulb required heat-proof gloves, dangit.
 
2013-05-01 09:26:42 AM  
Conservatives: cutting of their noses to spite their faces since forever...
 
2013-05-01 09:27:48 AM  
Does anyone still even use incandescent bulbs? Not getting LED I can understand, but every bulb in my apartment is CFL and it really is convenient. They really take a long time to burn out, that alone is good enough reason to use them - less hassle of changing bulbs.
 
2013-05-01 09:28:21 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Meh. While I don't doubt that many conservatives are viscerally opposed to anything environmental, and are willing to go against their self interests to spite environmentalists, it's very possible that people are turned off on products labeled "environmentally friendly" because those products sometimes suck ass compared to the standard "rape the earth" predecessors.

See the light bulbs in question.

I still have a box of low energy bulbs that I try to use whenever another bulb goes out, but I'm frequently vetoed by my super liberal wife who can't stand how long they take to provide maximum light. And she has a point, when you turn a light on you want light now, not wait a minute for the bulb to warm up.


I like them because you can get more light out of whatever fixture you have because of the maximum wattage restricting standard light bulbs
 
2013-05-01 09:28:50 AM  
They are the party of Captain Planet villains.
 
2013-05-01 09:29:42 AM  
I've been switching to LED and I haven't had one burn out yet. I tend to just leave them on. I go into my basement two or three times a week but it hasn't been dark for years.
 
2013-05-01 09:32:22 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Meh. While I don't doubt that many conservatives are viscerally opposed to anything environmental, and are willing to go against their self interests to spite environmentalists, it's very possible that people are turned off on products labeled "environmentally friendly" because those products sometimes suck ass compared to the standard "rape the earth" predecessors.

See the light bulbs in question.

I still have a box of low energy bulbs that I try to use whenever another bulb goes out, but I'm frequently vetoed by my super liberal wife who can't stand how long they take to provide maximum light. And she has a point, when you turn a light on you want light now, not wait a minute for the bulb to warm up.


Buy the quick starting CFL bulbs then. Problem solved. Unless they are really old bulbs they should be up to colour in 1-3 seconds typically.
 
2013-05-01 09:33:47 AM  
I hate those damned CFL bulbs.  The line was "they'll last so much longer!" but so far they don't and they cost more.  I have to replace them just as often as incandescent bulbs.  I'm still waiting on good LEDs.
 
2013-05-01 09:34:56 AM  
Someone needs to tell Don Draper that.

Seriously advertisers should convince conservatives to buy cost efficient light bulbs, but you need to remove some words they don't like to get the point across to them and air it on the Rush Limbaugh Show. The cost efficient light bulb problem is the same dilemma advertisers had when attempting to convince African Americans to vote for Ronald Reagan.
 
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