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(Quartz)   Futurist who's been playing too much Civilization thinks technology can move Mogadishu into the space age   (qz.com) divider line 124
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2013-05-01 02:14:10 AM  
It's not technology. They need a stable government backed by a well stocked military force, not gadgets.

How many people starved to death in Somalia last year?
 
2013-05-01 02:18:36 AM  
Well... it would take an awful lot of thrust
 
2013-05-01 08:19:16 AM  
And a War Elephant unit can take down an Armor division.
 
2013-05-01 08:24:08 AM  
Oh great, space pirates.
 
2013-05-01 08:26:41 AM  
I think you guys should just focus on feeding people first....just saying.
 
2013-05-01 08:37:59 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... it would take an awful lot of thrust


It's been done with Manhattan:

cdn.static.ovimg.com
 
2013-05-01 08:45:30 AM  
+1 Trade relations have been fair and forthright.
-4 You shot down one of our helicopters!
-2 You refused to accept our state religion!
 
2013-05-01 09:26:08 AM  
Being a "futurist" must be a great gig. Make shiat up that by the time anyone can call you on it you're long dead. And even if you're still alive they probably cut you a lot of slack because they want to believe. Like a psychic or the weatherman.
 
2013-05-01 10:00:13 AM  
nope. not even playable as a city state.
 
2013-05-01 10:00:32 AM  
2/3 for our Somalia trifecta?
 
2013-05-01 10:01:00 AM  
This is Ray Kurzweil-level nuttery.
 
2013-05-01 10:02:13 AM  

reillan: 2/3 for our Somalia trifecta?


A very rare trifecta in play.
 
2013-05-01 10:03:05 AM  

nekom: +1 Trade relations have been fair and forthright.
-4 You shot down one of our helicopters!
-2 You refused to accept our state religion!


Your head would look good on the end of a pole.

Declare War?     Y
 
2013-05-01 10:03:20 AM  

Mugato: And a War Elephant unit can take down an Armor division.


If you don't stack your armor with mechanized infantry, you DESERVE that giant pile of elephant dung...
 
2013-05-01 10:05:55 AM  

Sybarite: Oh great, space pirates.


We'll have our bounty hunters at the ready
 
2013-05-01 10:07:53 AM  

No Time To Explain: Sybarite: Oh great, space pirates.

We'll have our bounty hunters at the ready


No disintegrations!
 
2013-05-01 10:07:54 AM  
It's the Mog. We call it the Mog.
 
2013-05-01 10:09:31 AM  

No Time To Explain: Sybarite: Oh great, space pirates.

We'll have our bounty hunters at the ready


I'm paraphrasing, but bounty hunters? We don't need their scum!
 
2013-05-01 10:09:41 AM  
I always used to settle Somalia when I'd play Civ II as the Egyptians on an Earth map. Three perfectly placed cities on the Nile, one good city to capture the special resources and open up production on the Indian Ocean.

/ Land of Punt, yo.
 
2013-05-01 10:10:17 AM  
People in Haiti look at Somolia and say "Damn your place is a shiathole"
 
2013-05-01 10:10:55 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

YOU WILL MAKE OUR COUNTRY GO FAST.
 
2013-05-01 10:11:23 AM  

FrancoFile: This is Ray Kurzweil-level nuttery.


I laughed.
 
2013-05-01 10:11:35 AM  
time to watch "Blackhawk Down" again.
 
2013-05-01 10:12:22 AM  
And why doesn't their caravel sink when I hit it with a cruise missile?
 
2013-05-01 10:13:48 AM  
dailypop.files.wordpress.com

I declare a new golden age of prosperity for all
 
2013-05-01 10:14:30 AM  
You can definitely get Somalia into space with technology.

It's the people that are the problem.
 
2013-05-01 10:15:19 AM  

Sybarite: Oh great, space pirates.


at least it wasn't space herpes....
 
2013-05-01 10:15:54 AM  
SHAKA, EAT MY NUKE!!!!
 
TWX
2013-05-01 10:16:16 AM  
Thank you, Ms. Fleming. Call me when the shuttle lands...

/better not be obscure
 
2013-05-01 10:17:31 AM  
Of course they can. According to the thread below there is "space" for 14 more people.
 
2013-05-01 10:18:02 AM  

freewill: I always used to settle Somalia when I'd play Civ II as the Egyptians on an Earth map. Three perfectly placed cities on the Nile, one good city to capture the special resources and open up production on the Indian Ocean.

/ Land of Punt, yo.


Mogadishu is a crap city in Civ IV on the awesome Earth 1000 scenario, though.
 
2013-05-01 10:18:07 AM  
Nope, still barbarians.

And they even hold-up to the game. Barbarians will spawn with more and more modern equipment as the centuries pass.
 
2013-05-01 10:19:33 AM  
Something that can be used as a long range missile.......I'm sure this will end well.
 
2013-05-01 10:21:18 AM  
What a fantastic idea. I can see the reality show title now:

<as read by a booming disembodied voice>

Pirates ----- In ----- SPACE!
 
2013-05-01 10:22:47 AM  
Just build 250 Launch Arcos
 
2013-05-01 10:25:00 AM  

dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... it would take an awful lot of thrust

It's been done with Manhattan:

[cdn.static.ovimg.com image 400x300]


Ok... but that took spindizzies

/I was thinking Wile E. Coyote
 
2013-05-01 10:26:11 AM  

reillan: 2/3 for our Somalia trifecta?


I'd try and help, but my headlines suck!
 
2013-05-01 10:27:20 AM  
I have occasionally entertained the idea before that we should treat shiatholes like Somalia and and Hati as either disaster areas or as zones where we should place critical First world institutions. Either could force the type of massive redevelopment and cultural shift the area needs.

Then I remember that all that would happen if we made those areas nice, is that the people who currently make those areas suck would move somewhere else. Add that in with the first worlds total disinterest in brown people who do not have any resources we can exploit and it will never happen.
 
2013-05-01 10:29:47 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: I think you guys should just focus on feeding people first....just saying.


FTFA: Since this growth will happen without enough water and food, with hardly any cash, even less industry, the city will have to manage its inputs and outputs intelligently in order to offset the political risk presented by its underemployed and clannish young men. It will need to capture nearly all of its rainfall for home use, urban farming and landscaping. It will have to learn to recycle sewage by installing microwave latrines that zap waste into fuel bricks and pioneer solar powered-reverse osmosis of brackish water into potable water.
 
2013-05-01 10:32:03 AM  

MadSkillz: It's not technology. They need a stable government backed by a well stocked military force, not gadgets.

How many people starved to death in Somalia last year?


This. The problem never is technology: it's stability, culture, education and security. A strong, well armed central government(even a dictator) who can put a stop to the violence and turn Somalia into a unified country with a functioning government would solve many of their problems almost overnight.

/turns out that kind of thing is REALLY hard to do
 
2013-05-01 10:33:04 AM  
Why am I seeing stories from Quartz everywhere all of a sudden?
 
2013-05-01 10:34:04 AM  
They need to get out of Civil Disorder. They can increase cultural spending, build improvements, import luxury goods, or change their civics. Anarchy doesn't really work well as a long term strategy.
 
2013-05-01 10:34:31 AM  

Voiceofreason01: MadSkillz: It's not technology. They need a stable government backed by a well stocked military force, not gadgets.

How many people starved to death in Somalia last year?

This. The problem never is technology: it's stability, culture, education and security. A strong, well armed central government(even a dictator) who can put a stop to the violence and turn Somalia into a unified country with a functioning government would solve many of their problems almost overnight.

/turns out that kind of thing is REALLY hard to do


Reminds me of this classic:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/rebels-immediately-regret-seizing-p ow er-in-zambia,2103/
 
2013-05-01 10:35:32 AM  

red5ish: nekom: +1 Trade relations have been fair and forthright.
-4 You shot down one of our helicopters!
-2 You refused to accept our state religion!

Your head would look good on the end of a pole.

Declare War?     Y


Your Empty Threats Do Not Frighten Us
 
2013-05-01 10:35:53 AM  
Yeah, 25 years of socialism ruined Somalia.

Very sad.
 
2013-05-01 10:39:01 AM  

MadSkillz: It's not technology. They need a stable government backed by a well stocked military force, not gadgets.

How many people starved to death in Somalia last year?


So they should build a granary next?
 
2013-05-01 10:39:59 AM  

Voiceofreason01: MadSkillz: It's not technology. They need a stable government backed by a well stocked military force, not gadgets.

How many people starved to death in Somalia last year?

This. The problem never is technology: it's stability, culture, education and security. A strong, well armed central government(even a dictator) who can put a stop to the violence and turn Somalia into a unified country with a functioning government would solve many of their problems almost overnight.

/turns out that kind of thing is REALLY hard to do


It's easy to do if you disregard civil rights. The difficulty is the kind of government/ruler that disregards civil rights is usually the problem.

Absolute power and all that. It's a conundrum.
 
2013-05-01 10:42:34 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... it would take an awful lot of thrust

It's been done with Manhattan:

[cdn.static.ovimg.com image 400x300]

Ok... but that took spindizzies

/I was thinking Wile E. Coyote


No, it actually didn't take spindizzies:   It was actually The Master Technician who hijacked a nuclear power plant to use his anti-gravity device to lift Manhattan and hold it for ransom.
 
2013-05-01 10:44:36 AM  

tedthebellhopp: MadSkillz: It's not technology. They need a stable government backed by a well stocked military force, not gadgets.

How many people starved to death in Somalia last year?

So they should build a granary next?


Actually, no.  All the granary will do is allow them to increase their population faster, and they can't feed the population they have now.  They need to add more irrigation systems.
 
2013-05-01 10:45:52 AM  
Well lets see...

Tech has led to more efficient farming, advanced irrigation systems, combines that do the work of 100 people, more efficient and faster logistics of food delivery and of course all this also equals cost reduction.

Tech provides entertainment which creates docile complacency and leads to more passive aggressive whining than actual bloodshed.

Tech brings advanced medical techniques that prevent disease and saves lives

Tech brings better transportation and thus more social networking and better job coverage

Tech brings improved building materials, safer housing, and domicile comforts

In short, every country would advantage from technology, the real problem is getting it there and making it available to people who are used to living without and living angry all the time...

/would be angry too if there were millions of people living vastly better than me and i was stuck getting 30 year old hand me down technology...
 
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