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(Vanity Fair)   It turns out that "World War Z" is actually a sequel to "Ishtar"   (vanityfair.com ) divider line
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2013-05-01 05:15:57 PM  

Shadowknight: FTFA:The actor asked him to watch an edit, and told him, "The thing we really need right now is someone who is not burdened by all the history that this thing is inheriting, who can see what we've got and tell us how to get to where we need to get."

Ok, I'll be the first come out and say it:

THEN WHY BOTHER WITH BUYING THE BOOK RIGHTS IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE BOOK'S STORY?


Because people go to movies based on names, not based on, say, reading/watching/listening to reviews.  Half the people who go to see the film will be going because "It's a Brad Pitt movie."  Most of the other people will be going because they read, or at least heard about, "World War Z."

It's basically the same reason why Hollywood keeps churning out sequels.  People would rather go see "Cloverfield 2" than an original move of the same genera.
 
2013-05-01 05:17:42 PM  

TeDDD: "But when we started working on the script, a lot of that stuff had to fall away for the story to come together."

Trans: we kept the 'there are zombies' part, and then discarded everything that made the book great.


What made the book great?

Seriously, I've never read it.  I'm curious.
 
2013-05-01 05:17:45 PM  
The face of the man who could fark up a wet dream.

www-deadline-com.vimg.net

Nice puka shell necklace there, are all the Hollywood douchebags wearing them now or just you?
 
2013-05-01 05:23:50 PM  

Mr Guy: ecmoRandomNumbers: They shot this thing without knowing how the bad the ending was going to be? Did they just wake up every morning and do improv? The script supervisor probably committed hara-kiri with a clapperboard.

Not to mention, when you know what things are supposed to mean, and supposed to symbolize, and what actors are supposed to be thinking in scenes, an ending can make sense on paper.  Then you actually see what the audience sees and realize they are going to be confused and angry.


It can be extremely hard to turn a good book into a good movie.  A lot of how "easily adaptable" it is depends on things like internal monologues, point of view, and narration.  I remember people pointed out frequently that "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" was almost impossible to turn into a movie because so much of what made the book work was linguistic things such as "the ships hung in the sky much the way that bricks don't."   How are you supposed to turn that into film?
 
2013-05-01 05:27:48 PM  

ciberido: TeDDD: "But when we started working on the script, a lot of that stuff had to fall away for the story to come together."

Trans: we kept the 'there are zombies' part, and then discarded everything that made the book great.

What made the book great?

Seriously, I've never read it.  I'm curious.


Think KEN BURN'S NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD; basically its written as an oral history of the war against the
Zombies 10 years or so after the fact, and each chapter is another story that focuses on individuals at various points
in the war.

There are certain zombie horror snobs who say the book sucks because 'it only has one voice'.  Their opinions can be
safely ignored. As I said above, I loathe zombie fiction (too cookie-cutter), but I blew through the book cover to cover in
about 8 hours and found myself wondering "And THEN what happened???!!!!".  He did a decent (though not perfect)
job in projecting what the world would be like after such an event going from the starting point of what the political
situation was in the early-to-mid 00's.
 
2013-05-01 06:29:06 PM  

FLMountainMan: Bishniak: Ignoring the fact that the Zombies are "fast-movers" which annoy me on general principle, but I can overlook it.  The First two paragraphs talk about how wonderful the book was looking at it on a global scale, and then when it comes to the movie, they had to remove all that, making this your standard run-of-the-mill Zombie movie.  I'll just stick with Romero's Night of the Living Dead and Walking Dead for that storyline, thanks

You can't have slow-moving zombies if you are going to show the zombies taking over the Earth,  Because the audience isn't going to believe a group of slow moving, unarmored, unintelligent human with poor motor skills and no organization are going to be able to end civilization.  Because they couldn't.  Honestly, I'd be more afraid of a single ill-tempered chimpanzee than I would a dozen slow zombies.

Slow zombies only work if you skip ahead to after the apocalypse and you have hordes against small groups of people.


I wouldn't say that that is the ONLY way to make slow zombies work, but yes, there has to be some justification of why slow-moving, unarmored zombies could take over the world.  Making the zombie virus be very, very contagious (smallest scratch means you've caught it), for example.  Or making the zombies nigh indestructible (which, to be fair, you touched on with "unarmored," but I was thinking more like "severed arm keeps crawling" sort of indestructible).
 
2013-05-01 06:31:27 PM  

IamAwake: Raharu: See the walking dead follows a very similar story to the comics, but is still different enough from the comics to keep me interested and watching.

Tell that to the Firefly people who felt betrayed by Serenity...


All two of them?
 
2013-05-01 06:31:49 PM  

MagSeven: All they had to do was not use the title "World War Z" and this whole project would have been better received. It's sort of like they're making a Superman movie, but calling it Spider-Man.


I've almost finished my "Super Spider Man" script.  It's going to be awesome.
 
2013-05-01 06:32:01 PM  
Not really random, since it's a zombie-related thread, but I just watched Exit Humanity. Not at all terribad (but keep in mind I watched Osombie, too). Any other zombie flicks set around the American Civil War?
 
2013-05-01 06:39:41 PM  

Haoie: Can't we just all be over zombies now?


That's how I used to feel before I started watching The Walking Dead. That show is like heroin.
 
2013-05-01 06:39:49 PM  

Komodicus: The movie also takes place over just a "few days" and centers on Brad's character. Brad, who is the one that has the rights to the book in movie form, also stated that he wanted to make a movie that he could show his kids.


There ought to be a law that says once you express concern about what your kids might think about the art you make, your career is over and you're not allowed to make art any more.
 
2013-05-01 06:46:12 PM  

No Such Agency: FLMountainMan:
Honestly, I'd be more afraid of a single ill-tempered chimpanzee than I would a dozen slow zombies.

I'd be more afraid of a single ill-tempered chimpanzee than most other things on this planet.


I never really had any fear of chimpanzees until someone helpfully pointed out that chimps are strong enough to rip your arm off and beat you to death with it.
 
2013-05-01 06:52:36 PM  

Dr.Zom: fireclown: Max Von effing Sydow.

The best. Next time you watch Flash Gordon pay attention to his performance on the platform at Sky City where he offers Flash dominion over Earth. It's an acting class in three minutes - in the farking Flash Gordon movie. There's a minute there where you think, shiat, this guy really IS Ming the Merciless.


He was awesome as King Osric in the original Conan.  That scene sent shivers down my spine.  The man is a class act.
 
2013-05-01 07:23:09 PM  

dkimball: People haven't even seen it yet and giving their predictions..ugh.


"Predictions" that are known and observable facts based on publicly available information such as the trailer?

When is a movie exactly like the book...and why would you want it to be?  Movies add sight, sounds, movement, music from someone's perspective.  Of course it will be different than your mind's interpretation.

But it should at least be recognizable as coming from the source material.

And Zombie movies/shows.  How different can they be?

As different as war movies, cop shows, etc.  WWZ was vastly different from any known zombie fiction that had been written before it.

Think about The Walking Dead.  My family watches it...but the hospital beginning is a total ripoff of 28 days later.

And the similarities beyond that are?

Headshots kill zombies.  I really don't get how a severed head can survive.

You are starting from the premise that the dead are walking around trying to eat people, with no need for oxygen or food.  That is a suspension of disbelief that comes with the genre.  Once that is accepted, why is a severed head any less plausible?
 
2013-05-01 07:55:32 PM  

Nabb1: LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.

Heh. I enjoyed the book, and it was good in some parts but this is pretty accurate.


A work of great fiction it is not, but you can't put the damn thing down.

/Also wonders why they bought the story rights when they had no intention of filming the story.
 
2013-05-01 08:31:13 PM  

peterthx: Xenomech: TheSelphie: Lindelof wrote this? LOL.  Dude's name has been tainted forever after PrometheusCowboys and AliensLost.

FTFY

The guy must be blowing cock hardcore in Hollywood if producers are still accepting screenplays from him.

Another fanboy with no idea what he's talking about.

/like most of the internet



And what are your credentials such that we should not equally dismiss you as another fanboy with no idea what he's talking about?
 
2013-05-01 08:32:30 PM  

Gleeman: IamAwake: Raharu: See the walking dead follows a very similar story to the comics, but is still different enough from the comics to keep me interested and watching.

Tell that to the Firefly people who felt betrayed by Serenity...

All two of them?


I was a reasonably big fan of Firefly and I didn't feel betrayed by Serenity.
 
2013-05-01 09:08:55 PM  
Damon Lindelolf  is to scripts as Ted McGinley is to TV shows.

So long "Mad Men"!
 
2013-05-01 09:17:37 PM  

ciberido: Gleeman: IamAwake: Raharu: See the walking dead follows a very similar story to the comics, but is still different enough from the comics to keep me interested and watching.

Tell that to the Firefly people who felt betrayed by Serenity...

All two of them?

I was a reasonably big fan of Firefly and I didn't feel betrayed by Serenity.


Same here. I guess that must be all the fans of Firefly then.
 
2013-05-01 09:19:41 PM  
You can't take the sky from me.
 
2013-05-01 11:13:03 PM  

This text is now purple: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: If you're reading any sort of horror that you would put on a pedestal and call it literature, please tell me what it is.

Invisible Man
War of the Worlds
Frankenstein
Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde


Dracula
The Shining
Salem's Lot
I am Legend
Swan Song
Let the Right One In
 
2013-05-02 12:23:10 AM  
Anything WWZ mentioned that was remotely military was absolute shiat, especially the SIR and the insane F-22-turned-C-130 pilot chick. Absolute garbage.

The rest was boring.

TL;DR: shiatty book becomes shiatty movie. I believe others have said words to that effect already.
 
2013-05-02 02:17:13 AM  

ciberido: And what are your credentials such that we should not equally dismiss you as another fanboy with no idea what he's talking about?


I'm not ignoring the fact there were other people heavily involved in creating the final product for one thing.
 
2013-05-02 02:44:30 AM  

duffblue: WWZ was a mildly interesting book, but it is so poorly written that I'm not surprised about the way the movie is turning out. It's like max Brooks learned everything about weapons from call of duty.


lulz, we all didnt get to join the marine core like you, man-at-arms
 
2013-05-02 11:50:56 AM  

dkimball: People haven't even seen it yet and giving their predictions..ugh.
One thing I hate about imdb reviews is people who start off the review "I've read the book..."
Who cares?  It's the movie that matters.  You can't hate a movie because the book it's based on.
I wish they have a filter for "I've read the book" along with spoilers, hated, loved it...etc.

When is a movie exactly like the book...and why would you want it to be?  Movies add sight, sounds, movement, music from someone's perspective.  Of course it will be different than your mind's interpretation.

And Zombie movies/shows.  How different can they be?  Think about The Walking Dead.  My family watches it...but the hospital beginning is a total ripoff of 28 days later.  Headshots kill zombies.  I really don't get how a severed head can survive.  I've seen my fair share of zombie movies and they're all pretty much the same.   Would that be allowed for any other genre?

I think WWZ will have more action..maybe a mix between War of the Worlds, 2012, and a zombie movie of choice.


Actually, 28 Days Later Ripped off Day of the Triffids, but both 28 Days Later and the Walking Dead (comic) came out relatively close together and it was just a coincidence.
 
2013-05-02 12:53:02 PM  

mongbiohazard: ciberido: Gleeman: IamAwake: Raharu: See the walking dead follows a very similar story to the comics, but is still different enough from the comics to keep me interested and watching.

Tell that to the Firefly people who felt betrayed by Serenity...

All two of them?

I was a reasonably big fan of Firefly and I didn't feel betrayed by Serenity.

Same here. I guess that must be all the fans of Firefly then.


Meant that no Browncoat I know was upset by Serenity, so I don't know who the upset people are that OP is talking about.
 
2013-05-02 04:06:48 PM  

NutWrench: This. After Lost, Prometheus, etc, why the fark is this guy still being hired?


This very question sometimes keeps me up at night.  Prometheus is the very definition of wasted potential.
 
2013-05-02 04:10:06 PM  

peterthx: lots of words


Lindelof, please go.
 
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