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2013-05-01 09:39:52 AM

LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.


Yeah, this.  Really did not like reading this, finishing it was like eating all of a mediocre pizza just so you don't have to look at half a pizza sitting out cold the next day.

/The Chinese generals, Indian villagers, European snobs all sounded like Americans, and not particularly smart Americans either.
 
2013-05-01 09:39:59 AM

mccoma: At least the movie will get us the extended audiobook


... of the screenplay.
 
2013-05-01 09:43:42 AM

bill4935: /The Chinese generals, Indian villagers, European snobs all sounded like Americans, and not particularly smart Americans either.


That was the biggest problem: the "voice" of every interviewee was nearly identical.
 
2013-05-01 09:44:47 AM

stuhayes2010: I loved the book.  It was a fun read.  I don't hold much hope for  the movie, but according to Wiki:

 Aint it Cool News reviewed the script in March 2008, and said "This isn't just a good adaptation of a difficult book... it's a genre-defining piece of work that could well see us all arguing about whether or not a zombie movie qualifies as Best Picture.


So, maybe there's hope.


But that was the script from five years ago. I am pretty sure that it has undergone multiple rewrites since then. They decided late in filming that they didn't like the ending, changed it, and had to reshoot. The director has also stated that he was going for a PG-13 rating and "avoided" most of the gore and blood on purpose. The movie also takes place over just a "few days" and centers on Brad's character. Brad, who is the one that has the rights to the book in movie form, also stated that he wanted to make a movie that he could show his kids. They must have left a lot of material from the book out of the movie.

I really enjoyed the book, but I think this movie is going to be a pile o' crap.
 
2013-05-01 09:45:26 AM
Lindelof wrote this? LOL.  Dude's name has been tainted forever after Prometheus.  Sounds like a clusterfark all around.  The meeting after watching the director's cut sounds like the post-viewing discussion of The Phantom Menace in Plinkett's review.
 
2013-05-01 09:45:28 AM

Mr. Cat Poop: Securitywyrm: Nuclear Monk: I think I'll wait and watch the poorly/hastily made knock-off with a very similar title that is sure to pop up at Redbox a few weeks before WWZ is released.

The Asylum will surely release their own zombie movie around the time this comes out... and I'll be honest. Their last zombie movie was... one of the best zombie movies I've ever seen. Sure it had low production values, but the story was good, the characters were good, and most of all... at no point in the movie did someone do something absolutely retarded for the sake of plot progression.
"Hello new people. Everyone strip at gunpoint, we're doing a bite check before we welcome you into the group."
"As a new member of the group, please cut off that long hair, ditch the heels, and we're going to a sporting goods store to get you some better clothes and equipment."
ETC.

Got a title on that one? I gave up on Asylum for a while after their Sherlock Holmes rip-off had a velociraptor in it, but you pique my interest.


It's called "Zombie Apocalypse"
The movie makes the very wise assumption that this isn't your first zombie movie, so they don't bother wasting the first 20 minutes explaining "THIS IS A ZOMBIE MOVIE."
Yes, the group of survivors are the 'badasses' but... this far into a zombie apocalypse, it makes sense that the zombie survivors are the badasses.
 
2013-05-01 09:48:23 AM
So, this is how the Zombie Apocalypse Hype dies... with a thunderous turd of a movie.
 
2013-05-01 09:49:50 AM

post0089: THEN WHY BOTHER WITH BUYING THE BOOK RIGHTS IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE BOOK'S STORY?


He's referring to the history of the production.
 
2013-05-01 09:52:54 AM

Raharu: Imagine if you will..

A WWZ miniseries, with walking dead level effects and production quality.

Each episode is a tale from the book with some filler episodes.

At the start of each story we get a glimpse into the world after the zombie war, as the narrator travels to each location around the world to interview one of the survivors.

This leaves room for guest stars, new and upcoming actors etc.  You could stretch out the material to about 2 full seasons...

Naaaaaaaah, lets just but the rights to the name, and go ZOMBIE FLASH FLOOD!


Heck, you could do a world-wide COLLABORATIVE mini-series, different teams all around the world doing loosely-coordinated projects.  Subtitle as appropriate...sure you'd get widely varying quality, but you could get some outstanding indie stuff as well.
 
2013-05-01 09:54:06 AM
Count me amongst those who hope that this turd of a movie kills the zombie genre for a while.
 
2013-05-01 09:59:40 AM

WMCB: TeDDD: "But when we started working on the script, a lot of that stuff had to fall away for the story to come together."

Trans: we kept the 'there are zombies' part, and then discarded everything that made the book great.

More likely, they realized it wasn't a single-person narrative that allowed Pitt to show his abs for 90 minutes. He's a good actor, but narcissistic as all hell.


This.

The story coudl come together fine without focusing on one person, but Bradly wanted it to be abotu him.
 
2013-05-01 10:00:31 AM

Raharu: mccoma: At least the movie will get us the extended audiobook


I farking hope so.

The abridged audio book was nothing short of fantastic with all of its voice actors!
So good I went out and got the unabridged audiobook...

farkingnhell.

1 guy reading the entire book In monotone voice, like he was reading the phone book to congress to block a gay marriage bill.



unabridged book
http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_2?asin=B00BIKAVHS&qid=1367416753& sr =1-2


"patch set" for the first audible edition
http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_3?asin=B00CDXKHEQ&qid=1367416753& sr =1-3
 
2013-05-01 10:01:06 AM
I'm still holding out on the Ken Burns style documentary with "found" footage interlaced through out.

Or maybe a District 9 treatment. Will never happen now. At least we have the audiobook.
 
2013-05-01 10:01:06 AM

Quinsisdos: Count me amongst those who hope that this turd of a movie kills the zombie genre for a while.


Or just knocks it back enough that people think twice about producing just any damned thing.
 
2013-05-01 10:01:21 AM

extroverted_suicide: mccoma: At least the movie will get us the extended audiobook

... of the screenplay.


nope, of the original book
 
2013-05-01 10:03:37 AM
This movie was already shot and released, under-budget at $60m, in 2011, under the title "Contagion". And it was good.
 
2013-05-01 10:04:18 AM
Obvious tag still missing subby?

The only explanation that seems logical to me is that Brad Pitt hates zombie movies so bad that he blew millions of his own dollars to effectively end the chance of any future zombie movies by making this abomination.

Or he could just be retarded.
 
2013-05-01 10:06:55 AM
orclover:

Or he could just be retarded.

I vote for this option.
 
2013-05-01 10:07:46 AM

KatjaMouse: I'm still holding out on the Ken Burns style documentary with "found" footage interlaced through out.


At this point, I could go for the African plan being told by Reddiker as a 30 min monolog.  Find a good actor, put him in a room, set the camera to record.  In the right hands it would cost beans and be phenominal.  I'm saying we go with Tom Hardy.  He did a fantastic job with the guy in jail thing in Bronson.
 
2013-05-01 10:09:04 AM

Moopy Mac: stuhayes2010: I loved the book.  It was a fun read.  I don't hold much hope for  the movie, but according to Wiki:

 Aint it Cool News reviewed the script in March 2008, and said "This isn't just a good adaptation of a difficult book... it's a genre-defining piece of work that could well see us all arguing about whether or not a zombie movie qualifies as Best Picture.


So, maybe there's hope.

Or the check cleared (or exclusive coverage granted).


Or as Penny Arcade put it, "I wrapped the script around a Snickers bar."

/Which new Star Wars movie was supposed to blow our minds?

I thought that was Wing Commander.
 
2013-05-01 10:09:25 AM

orclover: Obvious tag still missing subby?

The only explanation that seems logical to me is that Brad Pitt hates zombie movies so bad that he blew millions of his own dollars to effectively end the chance of any future zombie movies by making this abomination.

Or he could just be retarded.


There was a rumor going around that he and DiCaprio got into a bidding war over the rights to the book. DiCaprio actually wanted to make a movie that held true to the book, but Pitt just wanted to say fark you and completely destroy it because he could.

At least that's what I choose to believe.
 
2013-05-01 10:10:02 AM

mccoma: Raharu: mccoma: At least the movie will get us the extended audiobook


I farking hope so.

The abridged audio book was nothing short of fantastic with all of its voice actors!
So good I went out and got the unabridged audiobook...

farkingnhell.

1 guy reading the entire book In monotone voice, like he was reading the phone book to congress to block a gay marriage bill.


unabridged book
http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_2?asin=B00BIKAVHS&qid=1367416753& sr =1-2


"patch set" for the first audible edition
http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_3?asin=B00CDXKHEQ&qid=1367416753& sr =1-3



farking awesome! I've preordered the lost files right now!
 
2013-05-01 10:10:22 AM
That's what you get for destroying the source material that could have made for an incredible movie, you bastards.

Sadly, I know I'll go see it anyway.
 
2013-05-01 10:11:08 AM

fireclown: KatjaMouse: I'm still holding out on the Ken Burns style documentary with "found" footage interlaced through out.

At this point, I could go for the African plan being told by Reddiker as a 30 min monolog.  Find a good actor, put him in a room, set the camera to record.  In the right hands it would cost beans and be phenominal.  I'm saying we go with Tom Hardy.  He did a fantastic job with the guy in jail thing in Bronson.


Isn't he a bit young for Reddiker?
 
2013-05-01 10:11:55 AM

LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.


Hilarious, coming from someone who can't create a profile without egregious spelling errors.


\You sound biggoted.
 
2013-05-01 10:14:27 AM

BMFPitt: That's what you get for destroying the source material that could have made for an incredible movie, you bastards.

Sadly, I know I'll go see it anyway.


Buy a ticket to another movie, then walk in the war z.
 
2013-05-01 10:15:21 AM

Maud Dib: LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.

Hilarious, coming from someone who can't create a profile without egregious spelling errors.


\You sound biggoted.


Dude....
 
2013-05-01 10:16:01 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: lemurs: Milo Minderbinder: I refuse to spend money on anything that Lindelof touches. He's a hack that couldn't write a cat food commercial.

Seems appropriate:

[i.imgur.com image 640x624]

That's not real is it? Oh my : (


I just googled it. This is sadly not a real poster.
 
2013-05-01 10:18:24 AM
I don't get how they would have needed to change the ending. The ending was we won, then the rest of the book is a series of flashbacks via the interviews. Have the narrator explain that in the first few minutes of the movie, show the most interesting scenes from an audience's perspective, then at the end, show the narrator compiling WWZ into a compendium and zoom out to him sitting in the world's last library in front of a huge WWZ encyclopedia

It could be very similar to the ending to "The Book of Eli"
 
2013-05-01 10:18:30 AM

Maud Dib: LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.

Hilarious, coming from someone who can't create a profile without egregious spelling errors.


\You sound biggoted


Speaking of spelling errors...
 
2013-05-01 10:20:41 AM

brandent: elvisaintdead: DjangoStonereaver: I stopped reading when I saw Damon Lindelolf's name.

This will be a failure of epic proportions.

Bingo.

who?


The guy who ruined Lost and Prometheus.

Having him as a screenwriter is the equivalent of a movie getting cancer.
 
2013-05-01 10:21:28 AM

Milo Minderbinder: Raharu: elvisaintdead: DjangoStonereaver: I stopped reading when I saw Damon Lindelolf's name.

This will be a failure of epic proportions.

Bingo.

Come on now, you must admit his previous works such as the storyline of "Lost" are storytelling masterpie......

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Ok I couldn't finish that sentence.

I refuse to spend money on anything that Lindelof touches. He's a hack that couldn't write a cat food commercial.


After seeing Prometheus I'm becoming of the same mind, thank God he jumped off the sequel (although by now it might be too late).  I REALLY hope he didn't pollute the new Star Trek movie too badly.
 
2013-05-01 10:22:58 AM
could slow zombies actually cause an Apocalypse?

Sure.


Why? They are so slow! and stupid! and avoidable! For those of us in fly over states or the south, sure, no problem. Stay in your car, hit the gas. Whats the issue?

major metro areas reliant on open public transport? You'd be boned. Why? One person zombifies on a subway car and bites 6-12. If talking a fast-progression for most people then you could look at the entire car turning before you get to the next station. Slow? Then people are going to wander off for the first week or two and turn all over the city. Even after authorities get on the ball what do you have? Mass trans works because of orderly volume. City would grind to a halt if you tried isolation protocols. Even in DC train cars frequently end up standing room only during peak volume. No space to defend yourself, no room to evade, and nothing handy to brain the recently-zombified even if you weren't on peak.

Now you've successfully closed the major ports and have a multi-million shuffling army to spread across the midlands. Welcome to economy collapse and zombie domination.
 
2013-05-01 10:23:24 AM

lemurs: Milo Minderbinder: I refuse to spend money on anything that Lindelof touches. He's a hack that couldn't write a cat food commercial.

Seems appropriate:

[i.imgur.com image 640x624]


I laughed.
 
2013-05-01 10:23:34 AM

KatjaMouse: tinfoil-hat maggie: lemurs: Milo Minderbinder: I refuse to spend money on anything that Lindelof touches. He's a hack that couldn't write a cat food commercial.

Seems appropriate:

[i.imgur.com image 640x624]

That's not real is it? Oh my : (

I just googled it. This is sadly not a real poster.


I don't know what to believe, now.
 
2013-05-01 10:23:45 AM

Felgraf: Which is kind of stupid, because it seems to ignore how pressure waves/concussive force works.

The big, flashy explosions from artillery shells? Wouuulllddd probably pulp zombie brains from the concussive force.


If you go w/ Romero zombies, they don't die of shock. Brooks added that his tend not to be impressed by fire, which was the second easiest way to deal w/ a Romero zombie.
 
2013-05-01 10:25:09 AM

medieval: Ishtar was not a bad movie.

It got bad reviews, and it wasn't the greatest movie I've ever seen, but it was hardly a bad movie.


Agreed.

'World War Z' sounds like a re-play of 'Heaven's Gate' rather 'Ishtar'.
 
2013-05-01 10:28:05 AM

drxym: The most obvious one is everything is in the book is in the past tense and the "hero" is a bureaucrat writing down the recollections of other people.


So... basically every episode of Law & Order?

They've milked, what, 80 TV years out of that and its spin-offs?
 
2013-05-01 10:31:59 AM

KatjaMouse: fireclown: KatjaMouse: I'm still holding out on the Ken Burns style documentary with "found" footage interlaced through out.

At this point, I could go for the African plan being told by Reddiker as a 30 min monolog.  Find a good actor, put him in a room, set the camera to record.  In the right hands it would cost beans and be phenominal.  I'm saying we go with Tom Hardy.  He did a fantastic job with the guy in jail thing in Bronson.

Isn't he a bit young for Reddiker?


There is only one way to do the part of Reddiker in the right setting.  Nelson farking Mandela.  For the first 45 minutes, never show his face, just his back, his side with face obscured slightly by a plant or something, his voice, his traditional robe.  A nurse or 5 standing by doting on him, caring for him like they were caring for their beloved father.  Big black farking Masai brothers in nurse garb mothering him.  He talks for the entire episode, shiat a seasons worth of episodes about the reddiker plan and how that poor old white guy, that insane genius's plan saved the human race.  What it did to Reddikers mind, how sad the old leader was at toll it took on his good friend Reddikerss mind.  He weeps as he explains it to the reporter.
Last 30 seconds of the episode/wholedamnseason......
Camera pulls around with nelson mandella still talking:
t2.gstatic.com
still talking to the interviewer....some giant black guy (maybe Shaq) puts a bib on him and starts feeding him carringly as the camera pulls out slowly and away from the hospital and into the sky.....


fark you brad pitt.  fark you right in the jolie hole.
 
2013-05-01 10:32:59 AM

Nuclear Monk: I think I'll wait and watch the poorly/hastily made knock-off with a very similar title that is sure to pop up at Redbox a few weeks before WWZ is released.


From the sounds of this; it's likely to be better.
 
2013-05-01 10:34:48 AM

Felgraf: Skail: I don't understand why it would even be a question. The book (and the Survival Guide) explicitly state that the zombies are slow and ambling. Why change it? The entire point of the battle of Yonkers was that the zombies are slow and horrific and will eventually overrun you if all you're relying on are big, flashy explosions instead of effective tactics. And then later, with proper strategy, they were able to use that to their advantage.

Which is kind of stupid, because it seems to ignore how pressure waves/concussive force works.

The big, flashy explosions from artillery shells? Wouuulllddd probably pulp zombie brains from the concussive force. I mean, we're getting traumatic brain injuries from vets who aren't even directly hit by IED's, but just thrown around a bit, and those are small-potatoes explosions compared to some of the stuff the military would have at their disposal-I would think artillery would actually be *VERY EFFECTIVE* at thinning out a dense hoard. Even better if you could fire in a noise maker to get them to concentrate before throwing in a heavier explosive.


I agree to a point.  A lot of the TBI is due not to destroying the brain but just damaging some parts of it, thus the behavioral effects.  Current research shows that the brain is able to rewire itself given the right stimuli to compensate for the damage.  Zombies may be able to do this, since it doesn't involve regenerating anything, just using different pathways to achieve the same result.  But the overarching result of Yonkers was that, while the zombies were indeed damaged by all the big pyrotechnics, they weren't killed.  Same as when they were sprayed with bullets from the battlements.  They'd be slowed, but not stopped.

I'm sad this movie sounds like it's going to be so terrible.
 
2013-05-01 10:37:05 AM

KatjaMouse: Isn't he a bit young for Reddiker?


I wrestled with that, and you're pretty much right.  I was initially thinking Christopher Lee, or maybe Gary Oldman, but Hardy just knocked it out of the park in Bronson.  How old WAS Reddiker?  I'm thinking 60s?
 
2013-05-01 10:42:07 AM

Raharu: Imagine if you will..

A WWZ miniseries, with walking dead level effects and production quality.

Each episode is a tale from the book with some filler episodes.

At the start of each story we get a glimpse into the world after the zombie war, as the narrator travels to each location around the world to interview one of the survivors.

This leaves room for guest stars, new and upcoming actors etc.  You could stretch out the material to about 2 full seasons...

Naaaaaaaah, lets just but the rights to the name, and go ZOMBIE FLASH FLOOD!


I'd love to see the ISS story arc.
/Zombies in spaaaaaaaaaace.
//Actualy no zombies up there. Just lots of cosmic radiation.
///And not the Richard Reed kind, the Steve Jobs kind.
 
2013-05-01 10:42:34 AM

fireclown: KatjaMouse: Isn't he a bit young for Reddiker?

I wrestled with that, and you're pretty much right.  I was initially thinking Christopher Lee, or maybe Gary Oldman, but Hardy just knocked it out of the park in Bronson.  How old WAS Reddiker?  I'm thinking 60s?


Older probably, he was at least in his 60's when the war started, forward 12 years to the recovery and then the documentary.  Christopher Lee would be a good choice.  Or Anthony Hopkins.  shiat Hopkins could probably pull off the voice and accent.
 
2013-05-01 10:45:55 AM

fireclown: KatjaMouse: Isn't he a bit young for Reddiker?

I wrestled with that, and you're pretty much right.  I was initially thinking Christopher Lee, or maybe Gary Oldman, but Hardy just knocked it out of the park in Bronson.  How old WAS Reddiker?  I'm thinking 60s?


Ron Perlman
 
2013-05-01 10:46:20 AM
Slow zombies are just not a scary threat anymore. Even in NotLD the rednecks clean-up the zombies on the following day. The only 'relatively' slow zombies that are still a global threat are the ones introduced in Return of the Living Dead. Killing their brains did nothing and burning them only made MORE zombies due to the chemical exposure.

Now fast zombies are a global threat. Combine that with the ability to create action sequences not possible with slow zombies and they were almost mandatory for the movie. Don't understand the WWZ movie hate. The book is unworkable as anything besides a 30 minute serial - essentially The Outer Limits: Zombies. The reader remembers how awesome some of the segments were, but forget how lame others were.
 
2013-05-01 10:47:56 AM

fireclown: KatjaMouse: Isn't he a bit young for Reddiker?

I wrestled with that, and you're pretty much right.  I was initially thinking Christopher Lee, or maybe Gary Oldman, but Hardy just knocked it out of the park in Bronson.  How old WAS Reddiker?  I'm thinking 60s?


Maybe older.  In the book he was part of the National Party during Apartheid, and the Reddiker plan was originally to deal with an uprising of the black African population against the White South Africans.  So that would mean he held a pretty senior NP position in the late 80's.  Add 20 years to when World War Z was published, I'd say 65 to 80.
 
2013-05-01 10:49:06 AM

orclover: fireclown: KatjaMouse: Isn't he a bit young for Reddiker?

I wrestled with that, and you're pretty much right.  I was initially thinking Christopher Lee, or maybe Gary Oldman, but Hardy just knocked it out of the park in Bronson.  How old WAS Reddiker?  I'm thinking 60s?

Older probably, he was at least in his 60's when the war started, forward 12 years to the recovery and then the documentary.  Christopher Lee would be a good choice.  Or Anthony Hopkins.  shiat Hopkins could probably pull off the voice and accent.


If Marlon Brando was still alive, and had a little Col. Kurtz left in him.
 
2013-05-01 10:51:57 AM

madgonad: Don't understand the WWZ movie hate.


The hate stems from the fact that they're actually using the WWZ name for a movie that really has nothing to do with it. If they had called it anything else you wouldn't see nearly the backlash against it.

Yes there were some slow parts in the book, but there were also some awesome parts. Instead of taking one of those, they just went away from the book completely.

And it's PG-13 with almost no blood. Sure you could make the argument that the zombies don't bleed (coagulation or something), but humans definitely do bleed, yet it's bloodless.
 
2013-05-01 10:52:06 AM

BMFPitt: orclover: fireclown: KatjaMouse: Isn't he a bit young for Reddiker?

I wrestled with that, and you're pretty much right.  I was initially thinking Christopher Lee, or maybe Gary Oldman, but Hardy just knocked it out of the park in Bronson.  How old WAS Reddiker?  I'm thinking 60s?

Older probably, he was at least in his 60's when the war started, forward 12 years to the recovery and then the documentary.  Christopher Lee would be a good choice.  Or Anthony Hopkins.  shiat Hopkins could probably pull off the voice and accent.

If Marlon Brando was still alive, and had a little Col. Kurtz left in him.


Eli Wallach if he could pull off the accent.
 
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