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(Vanity Fair)   It turns out that "World War Z" is actually a sequel to "Ishtar"   (vanityfair.com) divider line 278
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2013-05-01 02:53:24 AM
We have UK trailers here... has this been released in USA yet?
 
2013-05-01 03:10:17 AM
FTFA:The actor asked him to watch an edit, and told him, "The thing we really need right now is someone who is not burdened by all the history that this thing is inheriting, who can see what we've got and tell us how to get to where we need to get."

Ok, I'll be the first come out and say it:

THEN WHY BOTHER WITH BUYING THE BOOK RIGHTS IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE BOOK'S STORY?

Also, HBO miniseries ect...
 
2013-05-01 03:17:33 AM
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2013-05-01 04:02:19 AM
Could have been a great series. Walking Dead is fun and all but you never get to see the world outside the central Georgia zombie apocalypse. Having a show that went to Prague or Berlin or Australia every week could be pretty awesome if someone was smart enough to figure out how to do it.
 
2013-05-01 04:18:55 AM
I may buy a copy on DVD to pee on it.
 
2013-05-01 05:11:06 AM
They shot this thing without knowing how the bad the ending was going to be? Did they just wake up every morning and do improv? The script supervisor probably committed hara-kiri with a clapperboard.
 
2013-05-01 07:11:05 AM
Imagine if you will..

A WWZ miniseries, with walking dead level effects and production quality.

Each episode is a tale from the book with some filler episodes.

At the start of each story we get a glimpse into the world after the zombie war, as the narrator travels to each location around the world to interview one of the survivors.

This leaves room for guest stars, new and upcoming actors etc.  You could stretch out the material to about 2 full seasons...

Naaaaaaaah, lets just but the rights to the name, and go ZOMBIE FLASH FLOOD!
 
2013-05-01 07:15:54 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: They shot this thing without knowing how the bad the ending was going to be? Did they just wake up every morning and do improv? The script supervisor probably committed hara-kiri with a clapperboard.


They didn't decide if the zombies would be fast (28 Days Later) or shuffling, a la Romero, until two weeks before filming began.
 
2013-05-01 07:17:39 AM

Fark It: ecmoRandomNumbers: They shot this thing without knowing how the bad the ending was going to be? Did they just wake up every morning and do improv? The script supervisor probably committed hara-kiri with a clapperboard.

They didn't decide if the zombies would be fast (28 Days Later) or shuffling, a la Romero, until two weeks before filming began.


wow.
 
2013-05-01 07:41:10 AM
I stopped reading when I saw Damon Lindelolf's name.

This will be a failure of epic proportions.
 
2013-05-01 07:44:47 AM

DjangoStonereaver: I stopped reading when I saw Damon Lindelolf's name.

This will be a failure of epic proportions.


Bingo.
 
2013-05-01 07:49:27 AM

elvisaintdead: DjangoStonereaver: I stopped reading when I saw Damon Lindelolf's name.

This will be a failure of epic proportions.

Bingo.


Come on now, you must admit his previous works such as the storyline of "Lost" are storytelling masterpie......

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Ok I couldn't finish that sentence.
 
2013-05-01 08:28:37 AM
You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.
 
2013-05-01 08:30:49 AM
Total Movie Fail.
 
2013-05-01 08:31:04 AM
I think I'll wait and watch the poorly/hastily made knock-off with a very similar title that is sure to pop up at Redbox a few weeks before WWZ is released.
 
2013-05-01 08:31:10 AM
"But when we started working on the script, a lot of that stuff had to fall away for the story to come together."

Trans: we kept the 'there are zombies' part, and then discarded everything that made the book great.
 
2013-05-01 08:31:52 AM

Raharu: Imagine if you will..

A WWZ miniseries, with walking dead level effects and production quality.

Each episode is a tale from the book with some filler episodes.

At the start of each story we get a glimpse into the world after the zombie war, as the narrator travels to each location around the world to interview one of the survivors.

This leaves room for guest stars, new and upcoming actors etc.  You could stretch out the material to about 2 full seasons...

Naaaaaaaah, lets just but the rights to the name, and go ZOMBIE FLASH FLOOD!


I'm with you, or at least make it like the book. Ya, one more movie I want see in a theater. Sad really.
 
2013-05-01 08:32:31 AM

LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.


Heh. I enjoyed the book, and it was good in some parts but this is pretty accurate.
 
2013-05-01 08:33:37 AM
Well, one mustn't offend China.
 
2013-05-01 08:33:50 AM
WWZ was a mildly interesting book, but it is so poorly written that I'm not surprised about the way the movie is turning out. It's like max Brooks learned everything about weapons from call of duty.
 
2013-05-01 08:33:52 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: They shot this thing without knowing how the bad the ending was going to be? Did they just wake up every morning and do improv? The script supervisor probably committed hara-kiri with a clapperboard.


Not to mention, when you know what things are supposed to mean, and supposed to symbolize, and what actors are supposed to be thinking in scenes, an ending can make sense on paper.  Then you actually see what the audience sees and realize they are going to be confused and angry.
 
2013-05-01 08:34:34 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Total Movie Fail.


Oh! The one with Colin Farrel? I totally loved that one!
 
2013-05-01 08:35:24 AM
Ishtar was not a bad movie.

It got bad reviews, and it wasn't the greatest movie I've ever seen, but it was hardly a bad movie.
 
2013-05-01 08:35:56 AM

TeDDD: "But when we started working on the script, a lot of that stuff had to fall away for the story to come together."

Trans: we kept the 'there are zombies' part, and then discarded everything that made the book great.


More likely, they realized it wasn't a single-person narrative that allowed Pitt to show his abs for 90 minutes. He's a good actor, but narcissistic as all hell.
 
2013-05-01 08:37:29 AM
Hollywood messes up a really good book? That's unpossible!
 
2013-05-01 08:38:05 AM

LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.


Hey cmon, it had potential. Just because someone cooks a chicken patty and slaps it on a bun doesn't mean you can't take that same idea and spruce it up with some Wasabi Mayo, Spinich Leaves, etc.. and turn it into something better.

Apparently though here they decided to replace the patty with shiat and call it gourmet.
 
2013-05-01 08:38:26 AM
I like zombie movies. I even recently watched Osombie. All of it.

I'll just close my eyes when the title rolls and move on. It's not World War Z, it's just a fast-zombie movie with Brad Pitt. Ok.
 
2013-05-01 08:38:37 AM
I remember an Elaine May quote along the lines of "If as many people had seen Ishtar as criticized it I'd be rich."

Even Gary Larson apologized for using Ishtar as the one video in hell's video store.
 
2013-05-01 08:39:47 AM

medieval: Ishtar was not a bad movie.

It got bad reviews, and it wasn't the greatest movie I've ever seen, but it was hardly a bad movie.


It was bloated, too long, and I think the fact that it was a riff on those old Bing Crosby and Bob Hope "Road" movies was lost on most people. Charles Grodin was hilarious in it.
 
2013-05-01 08:40:10 AM
Is it too late for the production team to add lots of naked Angelina Jolie scenes to the crapfest that will be 'World War Z'?

/ preferably of a 10 year younger Angelina.
 
2013-05-01 08:41:37 AM
shiat... You can't buy a region 1 copy of Ishtar... It's still being suppressed.
 
2013-05-01 08:42:05 AM
Bullshiat. Somebody didn't like the ending.
 
2013-05-01 08:42:19 AM
The problem with taking world war z and making a movie without the documentary format is... well, that the documentary format was literally the only interesting thing about the book.  There wasn't really a developed story, and the characters and zombies certainly weren't original, and the writing itself was hardly brilliant.

The implied joke of people looking back on zombie silliness as a history channel special was pretty much the whole deal.  Which was fun, because other zombie movies sort of keep the scale down due to zombies not being very threatening when there are more than a few protagonists.
 
2013-05-01 08:43:12 AM

Raharu: elvisaintdead: DjangoStonereaver: I stopped reading when I saw Damon Lindelolf's name.

This will be a failure of epic proportions.

Bingo.

Come on now, you must admit his previous works such as the storyline of "Lost" are storytelling masterpie......

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Ok I couldn't finish that sentence.


I refuse to spend money on anything that Lindelof touches. He's a hack that couldn't write a cat food commercial.
 
2013-05-01 08:44:32 AM

Nuclear Monk: I think I'll wait and watch the poorly/hastily made knock-off with a very similar title that is sure to pop up at Redbox a few weeks before WWZ is released.


The Asylum will surely release their own zombie movie around the time this comes out... and I'll be honest. Their last zombie movie was... one of the best zombie movies I've ever seen. Sure it had low production values, but the story was good, the characters were good, and most of all... at no point in the movie did someone do something absolutely retarded for the sake of plot progression.
"Hello new people. Everyone strip at gunpoint, we're doing a bite check before we welcome you into the group."
"As a new member of the group, please cut off that long hair, ditch the heels, and we're going to a sporting goods store to get you some better clothes and equipment."
ETC.
 
2013-05-01 08:44:46 AM

LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.


duffblue: WWZ was a mildly interesting book, but it is so poorly written that I'm not surprised about the way the movie is turning out. It's like max Brooks learned everything about weapons from call of duty.


this makes zero sense. especially since they are barely following the story/s from the book.
 
2013-05-01 08:45:38 AM
Ignoring the fact that the Zombies are "fast-movers" which annoy me on general principle, but I can overlook it.  The First two paragraphs talk about how wonderful the book was looking at it on a global scale, and then when it comes to the movie, they had to remove all that, making this your standard run-of-the-mill Zombie movie.  I'll just stick with Romero's Night of the Living Dead and Walking Dead for that storyline, thanks
 
2013-05-01 08:46:00 AM
don't most movies nowadays get made with the thought that if it bombs it will just be made up on video/rental?
 
2013-05-01 08:46:21 AM

Shadowknight: FTFA:The actor asked him to watch an edit, and told him, "The thing we really need right now is someone who is not burdened by all the history that this thing is inheriting, who can see what we've got and tell us how to get to where we need to get."

Ok, I'll be the first come out and say it:

THEN WHY BOTHER WITH BUYING THE BOOK RIGHTS IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE BOOK'S STORY?

Also, HBO miniseries ect...


And yet, this abomination will make over $500MM globally and will produce a sequel starring Gywneth Paltrow, Justin Bieber as her son and Will Smith's kid killing super zombies with Kung Fu
 
2013-05-01 08:46:35 AM

Nabb1: LineNoise: You mean a book that reads like a highschool freshman creative writing paper doesn't translate well to the big screen? Color me shocked.

Heh. I enjoyed the book, and it was good in some parts but this is pretty accurate.


This.  I loved the book, but that's an accurate description.
 
2013-05-01 08:46:53 AM

Jim_Callahan: The problem with taking world war z and making a movie without the documentary format is... well, that the documentary format was literally the only interesting thing about the book.  There wasn't really a developed story, and the characters and zombies certainly weren't original, and the writing itself was hardly brilliant.

The implied joke of people looking back on zombie silliness as a history channel special was pretty much the whole deal.  Which was fun, because other zombie movies sort of keep the scale down due to zombies not being very threatening when there are more than a few protagonists.


That was one of the best strengths of the book. Each of the stories was just long enough to introduce someone, tell their story, and by the time you were just starting to notice flaws in the story... it moves on to another story. WWZ was not written as a novel, it was a collection of short stories sharing a common theme. It would have made an amazing miniseries, but not a full-length movie about a single protagonist.
I knew it was going to bomb the moment they showed that it 'starred' someone.
 
2013-05-01 08:47:01 AM
Milo Minderbinder: I refuse to spend money on anything that Lindelof touches. He's a hack that couldn't write a cat food commercial.

Seems appropriate:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-01 08:47:15 AM

Fark It: ecmoRandomNumbers: They shot this thing without knowing how the bad the ending was going to be? Did they just wake up every morning and do improv? The script supervisor probably committed hara-kiri with a clapperboard.

They didn't decide if the zombies would be fast (28 Days Later) or shuffling, a la Romero, until two weeks before filming began.


I don't understand why it would even be a question.  The book (and the Survival Guide) explicitly state that the zombies are slow and ambling.  Why change it?  The entire point of the battle of Yonkers was that the zombies are slow and horrific and will eventually overrun you if all you're relying on are big, flashy explosions instead of effective tactics.  And then later, with proper strategy, they were able to use that to their advantage.
 
2013-05-01 08:47:43 AM

elvisaintdead: DjangoStonereaver: I stopped reading when I saw Damon Lindelolf's name.

This will be a failure of epic proportions.

Bingo.


Nailed it.

When I hear about things like this...movies with huge budgets that have no direction (or an ending) that start shooting anyway...it just pisses the latent filmmaker in me off. I would kill for 1% of that budget, and I have a completed script and storyboard ready to go.
 
2013-05-01 08:47:47 AM
I loved the book.  It was a fun read.  I don't hold much hope for  the movie, but according to Wiki:

 Aint it Cool News reviewed the script in March 2008, and said "This isn't just a good adaptation of a difficult book... it's a genre-defining piece of work that could well see us all arguing about whether or not a zombie movie qualifies as Best Picture.


So, maybe there's hope.
 
2013-05-01 08:48:34 AM

Facetious_Speciest: I like zombie movies. I even recently watched Osombie. All of it.

I'll just close my eyes when the title rolls and move on. It's not World War Z, it's just a fast-zombie movie with Brad Pitt. Ok.


So how was it? the Osambie one I mean? And yea I'll watch it when it comes out on a channel I get or Netflix.
 
2013-05-01 08:50:17 AM

lemurs: Milo Minderbinder: I refuse to spend money on anything that Lindelof touches. He's a hack that couldn't write a cat food commercial.

Seems appropriate:

[i.imgur.com image 640x624]


That's not real is it? Oh my : (
 
2013-05-01 08:52:27 AM
Major difference here.   Ishtar was heavily reliant on dialogue, full of American slang and context, between the two main characters and as such its meaning was lost on the foreign viewer.

Here, who the hell needs to understand the nuances of American idioms?  It's all action driven and will do very well with the worldwide audiences.

As bad as it may turn out being, I guarantee you they will get their money back on this one.

But I do like the idea of watching the Asylum version that will inevitably pop-up a week or two before release, my kiddo (age 12) and I always get a kick out of those.
 
2013-05-01 08:52:39 AM

lemurs: Milo Minderbinder: I refuse to spend money on anything that Lindelof touches. He's a hack that couldn't write a cat food commercial.

Seems appropriate:

[i.imgur.com image 640x624]


LOL
 
2013-05-01 08:52:54 AM
Goddamnit. I have been looking forward to seeing this since I saw the first trailer.
Is Hollywood incapable of producing a good movie anymore?
 
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