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(Daily Mail)   Saudi Arabia rejected the Boston bombers' entrance to Mecca; warned US in writing. Guess we need to frisk 90-year-old ladies in wheelchairs even more   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 45
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2013-05-01 08:56:25 AM
6 votes:
Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.
2013-05-01 08:58:07 AM
4 votes:

mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.


Admit it, you're still holding out hope that it was a white Christian extremist.  Preferably from a flyover state.  Give it time.
2013-05-01 09:27:32 AM
3 votes:
Problem is that the government has given itself access to so much information that it can't process the important data. The droplets of signal is being drown out in a sea of noise. No doubt the information from the Russians and Saudis were cataloged away somewhere never to be seen again. But having that data appears to be more important to the government than actually understanding or even reading it. They're the data gathering equivalent of someone featured on the tv show 'Hoarders'.
2013-05-01 09:20:02 AM
3 votes:
The FBI was too busy keeping us safe from Kim Dotcom to have had time to monitor people multiple foreign governments warned us about.
2013-05-01 09:13:13 AM
3 votes:

nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?


When the Saudi's deny entrance to Mecca because they think someone is too crazy, that should mean something.

Maybe on it's own it's not too serious, but two BOLO's from two different countries should raise the red flag a lot higher.
2013-05-01 09:04:21 AM
3 votes:
Wanna go see the 9/11 memorial?


i.imgur.com
2013-05-01 10:15:00 AM
2 votes:
I will ask again, if the Russians and now the Saudi's knew about this guy, then how is he a "self radicalized" American?
2013-05-01 09:50:30 AM
2 votes:
I remember when after 9 months if you didn't have all the dots connected you were the village idiot.
Now you get five years and the dots get connected for you by other nations but when you fail and you're prudent and contemplative.

Get off my lawn
2013-05-01 09:11:08 AM
2 votes:

squibbits: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

This.


And who would you want it substantiated by, CNN.  RIght now the Mail is no worse than any other "news" organization out there
2013-05-01 08:55:24 AM
2 votes:
You're happy to be frisked as long as grandma doesn't? fark that. Being 90 doesn't make you innocent, and seniors are making all the goddamn laws anyway. I don't deserve to be treated like a criminal any more than any baby or old person does.
2013-05-01 08:43:07 AM
2 votes:
This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.
2013-05-01 04:17:08 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: Well, they've not only got us quaking in fear, they've got us blaming each other instead of them.
I guess they really HAVE won. Oh, well.
Sic transit gloria, America.


I didn't know Gloria was sick.
2013-05-01 12:13:11 PM
1 votes:

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: s2s2s2: I'd assume ME descent if I had passed them on the street.

Yup.  It's features, not colors.

/Why do people get so hung up on color?



Because some Americans hate America and were really crossing their fingers hoping these clowns were from the Tea Party or the GOP at the very least.
2013-05-01 11:38:43 AM
1 votes:

nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?


Really?

Perhaps they could have tailed him.  Found out he was buying pressure cookers (notice the "s" - it means multiple).

Perhaps bugged his place?

One warning?  OK - maybe the Ruskies wanted to give a Chechen a hard time.

Two warnings - two different countries?  FAILURE OF INTELLIGENCE

Somebody done screwed up on this one...
2013-05-01 10:43:16 AM
1 votes:

FC Exile: So now we're relying on anyone BUT our own elected officials to tell us what's really going on. Great.

'We want to leave no stone unturned,' the president said in a rare White House press conference.

I'm sure the one w/ the doc under it will be last.


All this 'source' has to do is identify himself and provide proof.  That's it.
2013-05-01 10:42:11 AM
1 votes:
So now we're relying on anyone BUT our own elected officials to tell us what's really going on. Great.

'We want to leave no stone unturned,' the president said in a rare White House press conference.

I'm sure the one w/ the doc under it will be last.
2013-05-01 10:30:20 AM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Or maybe they never were in the first place, and the whole mess was just the media making a mountain out of a mole hill. Again.


Or the Korea story is continuing, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11421928 , even though the eye of Sauron is no longer upon it.  The world keeps happening, even if the ADD-riddled CNN careens wildly from one tentpole story to another,  What is most likely is that Kim will launch some damn thing at some damn one while they are distracted and the eye will careen back.

It's a good reason to check in on other news sites.  I like the BBC, and Al Jazeera just keeps getting better and better.  The overseas perspective is pretty useful, and in this case the distance from the Boston bombing keeps the rhetoric down a bit.

/0.02
2013-05-01 10:15:15 AM
1 votes:

Infernalist: If this is substantiated by Administration officials, then we can talk about how bad of a screw up it was.

Until then, it's just Daily Fail with their daily dose of English-flavored derp.


Yeah but they are gonna say it needs to be investigated VERY carefully and thoroughly. Obama used this that gimmick yesterday 3 times. No one is ever held accountable for anything. Give em a raise.
2013-05-01 09:59:15 AM
1 votes:

fireclown: SoupJohnB: Really. The FBI has half a million people on the "watch list." What are they supposed to do - round them all up and keep them under guard in FEMA trailers?

How many of them have "heads up" warnings from two governments?  Ima put that at a much smaller list.


Why are we spending so much money on the DHS and FBI? We could just hire a few farkers for a lot cheaper who clearly would do a better job.
2013-05-01 09:58:02 AM
1 votes:

EngineerAU: Problem is that the government has given itself access to so much information that it can't process the important data. The droplets of signal is being drown out in a sea of noise. No doubt the information from the Russians and Saudis were cataloged away somewhere never to be seen again. But having that data appears to be more important to the government than actually understanding or even reading it. They're the data gathering equivalent of someone featured on the tv show 'Hoarders'.


Totally agree.  Maybe if they stopped data mining every communication that is sent by your mom and dad, or my parents, or your neighbors, they might be able to do something useful with the data.

Or if they stopped focusing all their "terrorism" efforts on catching drug dealers they might be able to focus on actual homeland security.
2013-05-01 09:55:18 AM
1 votes:

InfrasonicTom: Wanna go see the 9/11 memorial?


I would memorialize her
2013-05-01 09:54:38 AM
1 votes:

LemSkroob: moothemagiccow: FLMountainMan: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

Admit it, you're still holding out hope that it was a white Christian extremist.  Preferably from a flyover state.  Give it time.

Yeah these guys are really dark skinned. There's no way they would pass for white.
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Not white at all.

well, they aren't white. Very few people are true 'whites' . Also not white: Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Hungarians, Jews, or Russians.


What about Scotsmen?
2013-05-01 09:51:55 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: What am I looking at here (aside from the obvious)?


The true legacy of the 911 attacks.  A questionably effective yet quite expensive and VERY irritating system of security lines in every airport in the US.  It is a memorial of sorts.

And of course that girl is rockin those jeans.
2013-05-01 09:48:43 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: InfrasonicTom: Wanna go see the 9/11 memorial?

[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

What am I looking at here (aside from the obvious)?


A nation so proud of its freedoms that you need to be scanned to go into a park.
2013-05-01 09:48:22 AM
1 votes:

nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?


Canada (and the FBI) followed those would-be Via Rail bombers for over a year to make sure they couldn't hurt anyone.  They were looking for connections so let them sit in the field.  After Boston, they said fark it and reeled them in.
http://o.canada.com/2013/04/23/new-arrests-expected-as-via-rail-terr or -suspects-appear-in-court/
2013-05-01 09:48:04 AM
1 votes:

SoupJohnB: Really. The FBI has half a million people on the "watch list." What are they supposed to do - round them all up and keep them under guard in FEMA trailers?


Nope.  Just the Tea Party related ones.  AMIRITE?
2013-05-01 09:47:28 AM
1 votes:

SoupJohnB: Really. The FBI has half a million people on the "watch list." What are they supposed to do - round them all up and keep them under guard in FEMA trailers?


How many of them have "heads up" warnings from two governments?  Ima put that at a much smaller list.
2013-05-01 09:45:44 AM
1 votes:

EngineerAU: Problem is that the government has given itself access to so much information that it can't process the important data. The droplets of signal is being drown out in a sea of noise. No doubt the information from the Russians and Saudis were cataloged away somewhere never to be seen again. But having that data appears to be more important to the government than actually understanding or even reading it. They're the data gathering equivalent of someone featured on the tv show 'Hoarders'.


I was wondering if even one, single person in this thread would have the intelligence to point this out.
I wonder if any of the ninnies who are whining about "intelligence failures" have any f**king idea how much "intelligence" like this we get every day?
I wonder if any of them have given any thought to how many agents it would take to check them all out?
I wonder if they'd be willing to pay more taxes to pay for it?
(Ok, I'm lying. I know the answer to that last one).
Whining, crying, hysterical damn idiots.
Guess what, morons? "Terrorism" is one of the tiny risks of modern life.  It's a consequence of living in a crowded, technological society. It's miniscule compared to sabre-tooth tigers, the Black Plague, starvation, or any of the other risks of primitive life - but it IS real.
Deal with it, or kill yourself - but either way, stop your infantile Goddamn whining.
2013-05-01 09:40:20 AM
1 votes:
I recall somebody (maybe even W)  in the days or weeks after 9/11 saying that this new war would be fought with intelligence, not typical (at the time) send the army in and blow everything up. Sad that nearly 12 years later we still don't have basic intelligence at TSA and just profile or otherwise search random travelers instead of using what we know to look specifically at certain people. It turns out this guy was on somebody's radar and yet opportunities were missed. Spend the money on computers that can find misspellings, not wanding 90 year olds.
2013-05-01 09:35:47 AM
1 votes:
DHS official: DHS has no knowledge of any communication from the Saudi govt re: info on suspects in Boston Marathon Bombing prior to attack.
- Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) May 1, 2013
2013-05-01 09:23:01 AM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: squibbits: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

This.

And who would you want it substantiated by, CNN.  RIght now the Mail is no worse than any other "news" organization out there


I would imagine there would be no reason whatsoever for the Saudi government to, say, confirm the denial of an entry visa for Tamerlan. I would also imagine that a reporter would, at the minimum, seek out such confirmation through formal channels and at least report the results, successful or not. I won't hold my breath for any such confirmation or even an attempt at seeking such confirmation.
2013-05-01 09:19:23 AM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Is it Obama's fault? No, not unless he personally saw the waring which I doubt . So he is no more responsible for this than the Secret Service whoring around. But he his in charge. I would say this along with Benghazi indicates there needs to be some leadership changes in the Departments/Agencies concerned. Obama's best move would be to own it and correct it. as Reagan did with Beirut instead of the Clinton "out of the loop excuse": for Mogadishu.


I agree and would it be too much to hope for that he would use the opportunity to fix the Department of Homeland Security.
2013-05-01 09:18:26 AM
1 votes:
In terms of real news, "Unnamed official" means "nobody".
2013-05-01 09:14:48 AM
1 votes:

karmaceutical: Ugh.  I just watched the "updated" Top Secret America on PBS last night.  Things aren't getting better in our vast intelligence enterprise.


Thanks  Obama Clinton!
2013-05-01 09:13:44 AM
1 votes:
At some point they need to all go to a class taught by Israeli experts in the matter and learn some common sense.
2013-05-01 09:12:48 AM
1 votes:

fireclown: If it pans out, will this mess FINALLY be considered a US Intelligence failure?


Not while my party is in power.
2013-05-01 09:09:38 AM
1 votes:

mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.


If it pans out, will this mess FINALLY be considered a US Intelligence failure?
2013-05-01 09:09:31 AM
1 votes:
Is it Obama's fault? No, not unless he personally saw the waring which I doubt . So he is no more responsible for this than the Secret Service whoring around. But he his in charge. I would say this along with Benghazi indicates there needs to be some leadership changes in the Departments/Agencies concerned. Obama's best move would be to own it and correct it. as Reagan did with Beirut instead of the Clinton "out of the loop excuse": for Mogadishu.
2013-05-01 09:06:50 AM
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: FLMountainMan: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

Admit it, you're still holding out hope that it was a white Christian extremist.  Preferably from a flyover state.  Give it time.

Yeah these guys are really dark skinned. There's no way they would pass for white.
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Not white at all.


Is this a point? I mean seriously?
2013-05-01 09:02:42 AM
1 votes:
Let's continue to have a hissy fit over Mexicans and Hondurans coming into the country, CUZ THER STEALIN' OUR JERBS AT WENDY'S!!!:!l!(@)(!&()*&#(!!
2013-05-01 09:02:01 AM
1 votes:
Why don't we just ban religious extremism?
2013-05-01 09:01:26 AM
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

Admit it, you're still holding out hope that it was a white Christian extremist.  Preferably from a flyover state.  Give it time.


Yeah these guys are really dark skinned. There's no way they would pass for white.
i2.cdn.turner.com
media.salon.com

Not white at all.
2013-05-01 08:59:37 AM
1 votes:
If true

If indeed.
2013-05-01 08:58:03 AM
1 votes:
George bush and the tea party farking up again...
2013-05-01 08:56:18 AM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.


But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?
 
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