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(Daily Mail)   Saudi Arabia rejected the Boston bombers' entrance to Mecca; warned US in writing. Guess we need to frisk 90-year-old ladies in wheelchairs even more   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 183
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2013-05-01 10:37:43 AM

jso2897: EngineerAU: Problem is that the government has given itself access to so much information that it can't process the important data. The droplets of signal is being drown out in a sea of noise. No doubt the information from the Russians and Saudis were cataloged away somewhere never to be seen again. But having that data appears to be more important to the government than actually understanding or even reading it. They're the data gathering equivalent of someone featured on the tv show 'Hoarders'.

I was wondering if even one, single person in this thread would have the intelligence to point this out.
I wonder if any of the ninnies who are whining about "intelligence failures" have any f**king idea how much "intelligence" like this we get every day?
I wonder if any of them have given any thought to how many agents it would take to check them all out?
I wonder if they'd be willing to pay more taxes to pay for it?
(Ok, I'm lying. I know the answer to that last one).
Whining, crying, hysterical damn idiots.
Guess what, morons? "Terrorism" is one of the tiny risks of modern life.  It's a consequence of living in a crowded, technological society. It's miniscule compared to sabre-tooth tigers, the Black Plague, starvation, or any of the other risks of primitive life - but it IS real.
Deal with it, or kill yourself - but either way, stop your infantile Goddamn whining.


It's budgeting. There's no point in paying for all the body scanners and morons to operate them when what you're carrying doesn't matter. There's no point in putting the dangerous Mohammed Mohammed on a no-fly list without a photo, so all the thousand other Mohammed Mohammeds in the world can't get on a plane.

There's no point in spending a million dollars on feeling up my dick when the guy who tried to blow up times square got past the security check and onto a plane.

If everyone had your reasonable attitude towards danger, we wouldn't have  security theater and wouldn't get  pissed off about the lapses that lead to real problems. But we have it, so we whine about how it doesn't work.
 
2013-05-01 10:37:57 AM

FC Exile: Infernalist: FC Exile: Infernalist: If this is substantiated by Administration officials, then we can talk about how bad of a screw up it was.

Until then, it's just Daily Fail with their daily dose of English-flavored derp.

Yeah but they are gonna say it needs to be investigated VERY carefully and thoroughly. Obama used this that gimmick yesterday 3 times. No one is ever held accountable for anything. Give em a raise.

Well, here's the thing:  If the letter 'exists', then there's proof and they know it.  IF IT HAPPENED, then there's paper of it somewhere and 'that' would sink any attempt to cover it up.  And sink any Administration caught in the act of sweeping up and hiding this supposed letter.

And they know this.

So, until we get a 'name' standing behind this unsubstantiated rumor, a face of a diplomat willing to stand up and say "It happened, here's the letter, they screwed up", then it's just hearsay and gossip by a known partisan source.

Lot's of things supposedly exist that we are never ALLOWED to see for one BS reason or another.


Umm, the 'unnamed source' only has to step forward and identify himself.

Or perhaps, show a copy of the letter.

Even if the US diplomats scrub the digital foot prints on their end, the saudis will have their own copies.  Hell, that whole 'cover your ass' mentality is how we ended up with millions of wires and cables that got revealed by Wiki-leaks.

So, even if the US officials deny it, all it would take would be for the Saudi 'source' to provide proof..Or is it blase and out of style to ask for proof when confronted with a accusation of criminal negligence?
 
2013-05-01 10:39:41 AM

PapaChester: What do people expect the government to do? They whine and cry about big government tracking them or invading their privacy, THEN are flabbergasted when the government didn't arrest these two before they committed a crime.


Because it's OK to invade YOUR privacy, or THEIR privacy... just don't invade MY privacy!
 
2013-05-01 10:40:34 AM

moothemagiccow: FLMountainMan: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

Admit it, you're still holding out hope that it was a white Christian extremist.  Preferably from a flyover state.  Give it time.

Yeah these guys are really dark skinned. There's no way they would pass for white.
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Not white at all.


Who cares if they have a light skinned appearance, it's their religion we should be worried about as well as where they have been.

And no American white boy has that nose, hair, eye color, bushy eye brow combo.  Hell, Slater is whiter than those two.
 
2013-05-01 10:42:11 AM
So now we're relying on anyone BUT our own elected officials to tell us what's really going on. Great.

'We want to leave no stone unturned,' the president said in a rare White House press conference.

I'm sure the one w/ the doc under it will be last.
 
2013-05-01 10:43:16 AM

FC Exile: So now we're relying on anyone BUT our own elected officials to tell us what's really going on. Great.

'We want to leave no stone unturned,' the president said in a rare White House press conference.

I'm sure the one w/ the doc under it will be last.


All this 'source' has to do is identify himself and provide proof.  That's it.
 
2013-05-01 10:43:33 AM

stewmadness: moothemagiccow: FLMountainMan: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

Admit it, you're still holding out hope that it was a white Christian extremist.  Preferably from a flyover state.  Give it time.

Yeah these guys are really dark skinned. There's no way they would pass for white.
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[media.salon.com image 750x500]

Not white at all.

Who cares if they have a light skinned appearance, it's their religion we should be worried about as well as where they have been.

And no American white boy has that nose, hair, eye color, bushy eye brow combo.  Hell, Slater is whiter than those two.


Keyboard please.
 
2013-05-01 10:44:29 AM

stewmadness: moothemagiccow: FLMountainMan: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

Admit it, you're still holding out hope that it was a white Christian extremist.  Preferably from a flyover state.  Give it time.

Yeah these guys are really dark skinned. There's no way they would pass for white.
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
[media.salon.com image 750x500]

Not white at all.

Who cares if they have a light skinned appearance, it's their religion we should be worried about as well as where they have been.

And no American white boy has that nose, hair, eye color, bushy eye brow combo.  Hell, Slater is whiter than those two.


You sure?
liquidsoapdispenser.com
 
2013-05-01 10:46:18 AM

pseudoscience: fireclown: SoupJohnB: Really. The FBI has half a million people on the "watch list." What are they supposed to do - round them all up and keep them under guard in FEMA trailers?

How many of them have "heads up" warnings from two governments?  Ima put that at a much smaller list.

Why are we spending so much money on the DHS and FBI? We could just hire a few farkers for a lot cheaper who clearly would do a better job.


That's an excellent question - but one probably not best addressed in this thread. This thread is for flibbertygibbets to rave and piss their pants about "intelligence failures".
 
2013-05-01 10:46:33 AM

Infernalist: FC Exile: So now we're relying on anyone BUT our own elected officials to tell us what's really going on. Great.

'We want to leave no stone unturned,' the president said in a rare White House press conference.

I'm sure the one w/ the doc under it will be last.

All this 'source' has to do is identify himself and provide proof.  That's it.


So all he needs to do is out himself to both his and the US government as a leak.
Can't see why he wouldn't do that.

/Can't see the motivation for his making it up.
 
2013-05-01 10:51:27 AM

liam76: nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?

I would like proof they followed up on it.

and that being said if DHS can't stop two farking clowns like this with forwarning, then they shoudll be dinsamtled.  We were just as well off before we started dumping money intot hat black hole of stupidity.


Stop them from what, exactly? We aren't Russia or Saudi Arabia - you don't get to lock people up because they're "bad news" - they have to actually do something that's against the law. It's called freedom, and it's what makes us better. Now, if you can show me where the brothers went on the forums and said "how do I shot bomb", and the FBI didn't send someone over to say "Suuuuuure I can help you with that", maybe we'd have something to talk about. But not getting harassed by the Man when you haven't actually done anything against the law is sort of the whole point of the United States.
 
2013-05-01 10:52:47 AM

hasty ambush: birchman: fireclown: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

If it pans out, will this mess FINALLY be considered a US Intelligence failure?

Let's say that it is. Then what? Do you think you get to impeach Obama for it or something?

No, but unless we admit there was a failure  ther isnot much we can do to make sure we fix what caused it. No failure nothing to fix.


You think everyone at the FBI is just sitting around waiting for someone to say "this was an intelligence failure" before they start digging and figuring out how this happened and how they could prevent it going forward? Please. Call it whatever you want if it helps you sleep better.
 
2013-05-01 10:55:37 AM

Mithiwithi: liam76: nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?

I would like proof they followed up on it.

and that being said if DHS can't stop two farking clowns like this with forwarning, then they shoudll be dinsamtled.  We were just as well off before we started dumping money intot hat black hole of stupidity.

Stop them from what, exactly? We aren't Russia or Saudi Arabia - you don't get to lock people up because they're "bad news" - they have to actually do something that's against the law. It's called freedom, and it's what makes us better. Now, if you can show me where the brothers went on the forums and said "how do I shot bomb", and the FBI didn't send someone over to say "Suuuuuure I can help you with that", maybe we'd have something to talk about. But not getting harassed by the Man when you haven't actually done anything against the law is sort of the whole point of the United States.


No, but you can certainly deport them if they're not a US Citizen.
 
2013-05-01 10:55:41 AM

theknuckler_33: hasty ambush: squibbits: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

This.

And who would you want it substantiated by, CNN.  RIght now the Mail is no worse than any other "news" organization out there

I would imagine there would be no reason whatsoever for the Saudi government to, say, confirm the denial of an entry visa for Tamerlan. I would also imagine that a reporter would, at the minimum, seek out such confirmation through formal channels and at least report the results, successful or not. I won't hold my breath for any such confirmation or even an attempt at seeking such confirmation.


Three letters CNN. Once again  the Mial is no worse than any of others.
 
2013-05-01 10:57:35 AM

squibbits: In terms of real news, "Unnamed official" means "nobody".


it also means "source im farking to get intelligence leaks"
 
2013-05-01 10:58:28 AM

CeroX: squibbits: In terms of real news, "Unnamed official" means "nobody".

it also means "source im farking to get intelligence leaks"


Also, "source who is feeding me shiat to help their narative."
 
2013-05-01 11:02:00 AM

BafflerMeal: CeroX: squibbits: In terms of real news, "Unnamed official" means "nobody".

it also means "source im farking to get intelligence leaks"

Also, "source who is feeding me shiat to help their narative."

upload.wikimedia.org
An unnamed source broke the watergate scandal.

/don't google THAT one without "Nixon" in the search.
//Not at work, anyway.
 
2013-05-01 11:03:42 AM

FC Exile: Infernalist: FC Exile: So now we're relying on anyone BUT our own elected officials to tell us what's really going on. Great.

'We want to leave no stone unturned,' the president said in a rare White House press conference.

I'm sure the one w/ the doc under it will be last.

All this 'source' has to do is identify himself and provide proof.  That's it.

So all he needs to do is out himself to both his and the US government as a leak.
Can't see why he wouldn't do that.

/Can't see the motivation for his making it up.


He's exposing himself already to his 'source' in the Daily Fail.  Without proof, this is just gossip and hearsay.
 
2013-05-01 11:04:31 AM

fireclown: It's a good reason to check in on other news sites. I like the BBC, and Al Jazeera just keeps getting better and better. The overseas perspective is pretty useful, and in this case the distance from the Boston bombing keeps the rhetoric down a bit.


Thanks for the link. The media can tend to be myopic, per the cause du jour.
 
2013-05-01 11:06:02 AM

Tyee: I remember when after 9 months if you didn't have all the dots connected you were the village idiot.
Now you get five years and the dots get connected for you by other nations but when you fail and you're prudent and contemplative.

Get off my lawn


So, in order to punish that terrorist nation Chechnya, when do we invade Iran? Or are we going to invade Iraq, AGAIN, to punish those violent Chechens?

I just don't understand world politics I guess.
 
2013-05-01 11:07:05 AM

fireclown: BafflerMeal: CeroX: squibbits: In terms of real news, "Unnamed official" means "nobody".

it also means "source im farking to get intelligence leaks"

Also, "source who is feeding me shiat to help their narative."

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An unnamed source broke the watergate scandal.



Oh true.  Just adding to the list of motivations.  Divining a motive is what I consider specious.

Also, There is no Parking on the Dance Floor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gomCkCbKHA4
 
2013-05-01 11:11:12 AM

birchman: hasty ambush: birchman: fireclown: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

If it pans out, will this mess FINALLY be considered a US Intelligence failure?

Let's say that it is. Then what? Do you think you get to impeach Obama for it or something?

No, but unless we admit there was a failure  ther isnot much we can do to make sure we fix what caused it. No failure nothing to fix.

You think everyone at the FBI is just sitting around waiting for someone to say "this was an intelligence failure" before they start digging and figuring out how this happened and how they could prevent it going forward? Please. Call it whatever you want if it helps you sleep better.


Average Joe agent might be trying to fix what he can on his level  but the political leadership is not.  anybody who went through the years of  zero mistakes tolerated military culture of the 1990s knows what it is like.  Admitting to a mistake or saying something would not work (ie lowering standards in the push toward co-ed basic training) could be career ending.  The Army Drill Sergeants and Navy Recruit Division Commanders knew it was not working  but were told to make it work anyway and Flag officers  were telling a congress, which wanted to see more opportunities for women, that it was working.  Then Afghanistan and Iraq happened  and reality hit- people got killed and wounded , and they had to up the standards.

I bet the same sort of thing is  is happening here.  The guys in the trenches probably know there was a failure and why but the leadership is not going to admit to one  nor are they going to permit any changes that would lead one to conclude that yes there was a failure.  They are in CYA mode.
 
2013-05-01 11:11:19 AM
WTF do we even have a Department of Homeland Security for if not to connect the obvious dots on this type of stuff? I mean seriously, if they best they've got is running tanks over a few Occupy protestor tents who were farking sitting ducks to say the least, then somebody over there needs to have their ass handed to them.
 
2013-05-01 11:14:05 AM

Hermione_Granger: WTF do we even have a Department of Homeland Security for if not to connect the obvious dots on this type of stuff? I mean seriously, if they best they've got is running tanks over a few Occupy protestor tents who were farking sitting ducks to say the least, then somebody over there needs to have their ass handed to them.


When he saw Homeland Security running tanks over a few Occupy protestors, he signed up with the National Guard so that he too coudl run tanks over Occupy protestors.
 
2013-05-01 11:14:45 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: I just don't understand world politics I guess.


Please make note and add that to the list.
 
2013-05-01 11:19:10 AM

fireclown: mbillips:

Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

If it pans out, will this mess FINALLY be considered a US Intelligence failure?


Well, no. If there were never any real terrorist attacks (or cunning facsimiles) there would be no reason for the continuing state of Everybody Panic, so we wouldn't be as happy to trade our rights & liberties to be kept safe from the Boogyman. So it's not a failure, it's a success for the "security" agencies and those who profit from & supply them.

"The strategy of tension (Italian: strategia della tensione) is a tactic that aims to divide, manipulate, and control public opinion using fear, propaganda, disinformation, psychological warfare, agents provocateurs, and false flag terrorist actions.[1]"

Part of that is letting the occasional bad actors slip by while you look the other way.

It's funny how so many of those who get in a tizzy over any threat to mass gun ownership are the first to squeal that "we" need more "protection." I agree that civilian gun ownership might serve as a small deterrent to dictatorship, but you're not helping the cause of Liberty if you encourage the negation of every other civil right.

OTOH it's not that bad yet: I've been posting things like this to the Net since 1994 and so far they haven't directly hassled or disappeared me. Of course this is because when most people read such warnings they roll their and talk about my alleged foil helmet, even though time and time again I've been proven correct about  the ongoing campaign for "security measures" to keep America safe from freedom.

I gotta admit I wouldn't have predicted TSA gropers though: I'd've thought they'd go straight to more sophisticated electronic surveillance like the scanner on Total Recall. Who know they'd implement a massive New Deal type effort to employ the mentally deficient in manual labor?

How long before you have to pay them for the privilege of having webcams & microphones installed throughout your home? 15 years maybe? ("You DO want to be safe in your home, don't you?") I'm not sure how they'd get y'all to swallow that but I know most of you will: if it's not Muslim terrorists or right-wing militiamen it's pedophiles.

Imagine this: it's true that most child molesters operate in their own homes on their own kids, and for most of the molestation victims I've known it was their own father who did it. So the campaign might go something like this: "Men, how do you know you never go into fugue states where you do things that aren't typical of you that you don't remember later? You could be hypnotized into evil actions by malicious hackers! We've proven there were subliminal messages hidden on those porn sites you visited in your youth, and recently we've detected them cropping up on banking and news sites. Vigilant surveillance is the only way to keep your children safe from yourself!"

If you think that's far-fetched consider that in 1994 people were still crowing that "we" needed "protection" from backmasking  and Satanic ritual abuse,and that millions of kids have been molested but repressed the memories -- so they must be helped to "heal" through intensive therapies.

All any Major Panic needs is one "incident" covered by Faux News and gabbed about on certain web sites. (Like, you know, Fark.)

Far-fetched? Uh-huh. "9/11" sounded far-fetched on 9/10/01: people would have called you paranoid and racist for suggesting any Muslim might ever do such a crazy awful thing.
 
2013-05-01 11:21:08 AM

Tyee: TheShavingofOccam123: I just don't understand world politics I guess.

Please make note and add that to the list.


Whaaaaaaaa? Hhuuuuuuh?

We sure taught the Saudis that if their citizens are going to kill thousands of our people in terror attacks, we would bomb the living hell out of a country that nothing to do with those attacks.

I'm just wondering if the Obama administration will continue the Bush/Cheney doctrine (previously the Cheney doctrine, previously the Wolfowitz doctrine) of invading foreign countries for oil in order to punish other countries.
 
2013-05-01 11:21:30 AM

The One True TheDavid: fireclown: mbillips:

Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

If it pans out, will this mess FINALLY be considered a US Intelligence failure?

Well, no. STUFF


Holy crap, dude.  Whatever you're on, I want some.
 
2013-05-01 11:22:57 AM
Hold on to your butts, the newsflash whirlwind is incoming...

/Three additional suspects just arrested, according to Boston Police
//Huey, Louie and Dewey?
///Moe, Larry and Curly Joe?
 
2013-05-01 11:24:34 AM

hasty ambush: theknuckler_33: hasty ambush: squibbits: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

This.

And who would you want it substantiated by, CNN.  RIght now the Mail is no worse than any other "news" organization out there

I would imagine there would be no reason whatsoever for the Saudi government to, say, confirm the denial of an entry visa for Tamerlan. I would also imagine that a reporter would, at the minimum, seek out such confirmation through formal channels and at least report the results, successful or not. I won't hold my breath for any such confirmation or even an attempt at seeking such confirmation.

Three letters CNN. Once again  the Mial is no worse than any of others.


What exactly is your point? CNN sucks, therefore we should believe whatever comes out of the Daily Mail? News agencies don't magically get more reliable because one of the big boys got less reliable. It's still an unsubstantiated rumor reported by a news source known for less than stellar reporting. If it came out of CNN without an investigation we'd be just as skeptical, because CNN's reliablity is known to be totally shot, especially when it comes to spectacular or "exclusive" news.
 
2013-05-01 11:26:09 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-05-01 11:26:55 AM

tommyl66: Hold on to your butts, the newsflash whirlwind is incoming...

/Three additional suspects just arrested, according to Boston Police
//Huey, Louie and Dewey?
///Moe, Larry and Curly Joe?


Source?
 
2013-05-01 11:28:42 AM

Infernalist: tommyl66: Hold on to your butts, the newsflash whirlwind is incoming...

/Three additional suspects just arrested, according to Boston Police
//Huey, Louie and Dewey?
///Moe, Larry and Curly Joe?

Source?


nm, I found it.

And I 'remember' reports of the day that White Hat was arrested that they'd arrested three other kids at the local college.

Same three kids held quietly until now?
 
2013-05-01 11:30:03 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Tyee: TheShavingofOccam123: I just don't understand world politics I guess.

Please make note and add that to the list.

Whaaaaaaaa? Hhuuuuuuh?

We sure taught the Saudis that if their citizens are going to kill thousands of our people in terror attacks, we would bomb the living hell out of a country that nothing to do with those attacks.



Are you talking about Iraq or Afghanistan? Afghanistan wasn't so innocent, you know.
 
2013-05-01 11:30:18 AM

PapaChester: liam76: I would like proof they followed up on it.

Let me get this straight, you want public proof that a confidential federal agency which focuses on national security is invading the privacy of individuals in this country about matters which may or may not be true?

Go back to Iran.



Where di you jump to that?

and i am pretty sure Iran is not in the business of providing proof.

Or is my sarcasm meter broken?
 
2013-05-01 11:31:23 AM
CNN reporting "details soon".  Looks like they might have learned their lesson after all.
 
2013-05-01 11:32:05 AM
Seriously guys, just act overly excited to be molested by the tsa. It throws them off and makes THEM feel uncomfortable.

/I do this every time I get randomly selected.
//The tsa guys look at me funny.
 
2013-05-01 11:34:01 AM

Cletus C.: TheShavingofOccam123: Tyee: TheShavingofOccam123: I just don't understand world politics I guess.

Please make note and add that to the list.

Whaaaaaaaa? Hhuuuuuuh?

We sure taught the Saudis that if their citizens are going to kill thousands of our people in terror attacks, we would bomb the living hell out of a country that nothing to do with those attacks.


Are you talking about Iraq or Afghanistan? Afghanistan wasn't so innocent, you know.


I'm being sarcastic about Iraq. We robbed US troops from Afghanistan in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, allowing OBL to escape into Pakistan, so I'm referring to both but one tangentially.
 
2013-05-01 11:38:43 AM

nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?


Really?

Perhaps they could have tailed him.  Found out he was buying pressure cookers (notice the "s" - it means multiple).

Perhaps bugged his place?

One warning?  OK - maybe the Ruskies wanted to give a Chechen a hard time.

Two warnings - two different countries?  FAILURE OF INTELLIGENCE

Somebody done screwed up on this one...
 
2013-05-01 11:40:45 AM
Tamerlan Tsarnaev's namesake was a 15-century Central Asian warlord who referred to himself as 'the sword of Islam.' Sometimes spelled 'Tamerlane' in English, he was known for his cruelty.

When he conquered Baghdad, he reportedly made a pyramid of human skulls from unfortunate residents of that city.



Yeah, the farking mom is no mother theresa.. looks like she was already extreme way back then to name her kid that.


It's like a woman naming her kid Hitler and 25 yrs later when he blows up a black church the mom is like no my son is innocent and we're not racist!


FARK THAT!
 
2013-05-01 11:41:12 AM

Truther: nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?

Really?

Perhaps they could have tailed him.  Found out he was buying pressure cookers (notice the "s" - it means multiple).

Perhaps bugged his place?

One warning?  OK - maybe the Ruskies wanted to give a Chechen a hard time.

Two warnings - two different countries?  FAILURE OF INTELLIGENCE

Somebody done screwed up on this one...


Okay, here we go:

1) The Russians asked us to question Black Hat due to them thinking that he was a threat to RUSSIA.  He was planning a trip back home to Chechnya and they asked the US to interview him and see if he was a radical threat to Russian interests.  They found no reason to believe so, cleared him for travel and that was the end of it.

2) THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE SAUDIS GAVE ANYTHING TO ANYONE IN REGARDS TO THE TWO BROTHERS.  AT ALL.  THERE IS ONLY HEARSAY AND GOSSIP WITH NOTHING CONCRETE TO BACK IT UP.

So.  No.  Take your bullshiat assessment and go back to derpville.

For fark's sake, you people.
 
m00
2013-05-01 11:42:31 AM

UrinalPooper: The FBI was too busy keeping us safe from Kim Dotcom to have had time to monitor people multiple foreign governments warned us about.


This.

"We have to monitor people who infringe on the copyrights of our political contributors and lobbyists, for these evil pirates and thieves are digital terrorists. You don't like terrorism do you? We didn't have time keep tabs on these potential bombers because we were too busy dealing with terrorists, in order to make you safe. The real reason bombers that we already knew about were able to carry out their plot we already knew about is because you have too many freedoms. We will correct this problem, to make you safer."
 
2013-05-01 11:43:21 AM

SuperNinjaToad: Tamerlan Tsarnaev's namesake was a 15-century Central Asian warlord who referred to himself as 'the sword of Islam.' Sometimes spelled 'Tamerlane' in English, he was known for his cruelty.

When he conquered Baghdad, he reportedly made a pyramid of human skulls from unfortunate residents of that city.


Yeah, the farking mom is no mother theresa.. looks like she was already extreme way back then to name her kid that.


It's like a woman naming her kid Hitler and 25 yrs later when he blows up a black church the mom is like no my son is innocent and we're not racist!


FARK THAT!


Not sure if that's supposed to a good thing or a bad thing.
 
2013-05-01 11:45:35 AM

GoldSpider: fireclown: If it pans out, will this mess FINALLY be considered a US Intelligence failure?

Not while my party is in power.


ZING!!
 
m00
2013-05-01 11:46:50 AM

SuperNinjaToad: When he conquered Baghdad, he reportedly made a pyramid of human skulls from unfortunate residents of that city.


So wait, why isn't he pro-US?
 
2013-05-01 11:48:43 AM
A Saudi official who can't afford a name. The shame.
 
2013-05-01 11:49:14 AM

Mithiwithi: liam76: nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?

I would like proof they followed up on it.

and that being said if DHS can't stop two farking clowns like this with forwarning, then they shoudll be dinsamtled.  We were just as well off before we started dumping money intot hat black hole of stupidity.

Stop them from what, exactly? We aren't Russia or Saudi Arabia - you don't get to lock people up because they're "bad news" - they have to actually do something that's against the law. It's called freedom, and it's what makes us better. Now, if you can show me where the brothers went on the forums and said "how do I shot bomb", and the FBI didn't send someone over to say "Suuuuuure I can help you with that", maybe we'd have something to talk about. But not getting harassed by the Man when you haven't actually done anything against the law is sort of the whole point of the United States.


I never said "lock them up".  I said stop them.  Follow them to see if they are up to anything, or how about this, don't let them in.  They weren't citizens.
 
2013-05-01 11:50:27 AM

liam76: Mithiwithi: liam76: nekom: Because People in power are Stupid: This is more damning than the Russian warning -because the Russians might have just been wanting to harass their dissidents.

But is it any more useful? "You should watch this guy. Seriously, he's up to no good and he may be planning something!" What can you do with that? Obviously you follow up on it but what if you simply don't find anything of interest?

I would like proof they followed up on it.

and that being said if DHS can't stop two farking clowns like this with forwarning, then they shoudll be dinsamtled.  We were just as well off before we started dumping money intot hat black hole of stupidity.

Stop them from what, exactly? We aren't Russia or Saudi Arabia - you don't get to lock people up because they're "bad news" - they have to actually do something that's against the law. It's called freedom, and it's what makes us better. Now, if you can show me where the brothers went on the forums and said "how do I shot bomb", and the FBI didn't send someone over to say "Suuuuuure I can help you with that", maybe we'd have something to talk about. But not getting harassed by the Man when you haven't actually done anything against the law is sort of the whole point of the United States.

I never said "lock them up".  I said stop them.  Follow them to see if they are up to anything, or how about this, don't let them in.  They weren't citizens.


White Hat became a citizen in 2012.
 
Ehh
2013-05-01 11:52:21 AM

SoupJohnB: nekom: BizarreMan:  The FBI has half a million people on the "watch list."  What are they supposed to do - round them all up and keep them under guard in FEMA trailers?


Now there's an idea...
 
2013-05-01 11:52:45 AM

birchman: fireclown: mbillips: Daily Fail plus unnamed "Saudi official" = BS until otherwise substantiated.

If it pans out, will this mess FINALLY be considered a US Intelligence failure?

Let's say that it is. Then what? Do you think you get to impeach Obama for it or something?


No.  But let's reevaluate what the "intelligence" community is doing with all this money that has been thrown at them and why we aren't able to stop these attacks.

It's virutally impossible to stop every attack?  OK, I'll buy that.  But then let's look and see if some of this tax money wouldn't be better spent elsewhere, reduce the size of Homeland Security (please!) and deal with the fact that we are going to get hit sometimes.
 
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