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(Scientific American)   Conspiracy theory believers more likely to reject science and behave irrationally. As if we needed a study to figure this out   (scientificamerican.com) divider line 63
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2013-05-01 07:46:40 AM
4 votes:

notto: When your opinions require the need for thousands of fellow citizens to keep the secret without any real motivation to do so


The same government who couldn't keep Bill Clinton's blowjob a secret was able 3 years later to pull off 9/11 without a hitch
2013-05-01 07:44:54 AM
4 votes:
1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.
2013-05-01 07:43:45 AM
4 votes:
Yeah, about that science.
 relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com
2013-05-01 07:24:35 AM
4 votes:
The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.
2013-05-01 09:32:17 AM
3 votes:
UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ATTACK: Was it an inside job?

1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?

2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station's large fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who, and why?

3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?

4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?

5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn't?

6) How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to fame was his ability to "bullseye womprats" on Tatooine? This shot, according to one pilot, would be "impossible, even for a computer." Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. Why have these discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?

7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be Lord Vader's son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader's teacher many years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to be coincidences?

8) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?


9) And where was Emperor Palpatine during all of this?  He spend 5 full minutes continuing to read "My Pet Bantha" to a classroom of young Sith after hearing the news!
2013-05-01 01:38:31 PM
2 votes:

CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.

How many then, 4? 5?  To me, it's certainly conceivable that however many people it would take to do such a task, would be capable of keeping the secret.  And I don't think it would be hard to go unnoticed either, they would be dressed as construction or maintenance workers.  I read reports of construction going on, on floors that were unoccupied leading up to 9/11.  I thought I even read somewhere that some floors of the building that were occupied, were "closed" on a weekend prior to 9/11 due to some sort of maintenance.

No I don't think it would be hard at all to blend in, or keep the secret between the limited amount of people needed to carry out such an act.

I don't see how anyone can think it would be that inconceivable.  You don't have to believe demolitions brought down WTC 1, 2 or 7 to be able to see that it's certainly possible that it could have been carried out.


From the company that brought down the Farmers Bank Building in Pittsburgh:
"CDI's 13 person crew needed seven (7) days to place 1,590 linear shaped charges totaling 595 lb. of explosives on steel columns on 11 levels of the 27-story structure.  "

And that was for a single, hundred year old building that was 24 stories tall, with two months of full, unfettered access for advance preparation, and no need to hide or disguise the hundreds of pounds of explosives and thousands of yards of wiring they were attaching to it.

So yeah, the idea that 2, or 3, or 7 guys could get full access to the innermost recesses of both of those buildings, and plant explosive charges every single day for what? Eight? Twelve months? Without anyone noticing either 1) The guys themselves or 2) The  thousands of shaped charges they would have installed or 3) the thousands of yards of wiring they would have installed is so absolutely ridiculous that there is no sane reason to believe it.

On the other hand, I actually watched a 125 ton airplane filled with ten thousand gallons of jet fuel crash into one of the buildings at 600 miles per hour.

 So yeah, I suppose it's possible that my kitchen window was broken by left-wing Sandinista terrorists who used a baseball because that's all they happened to have in the glove compartment of the weinermobile they were driving down my street. but it's just a little bit more likely that it was actually the kids outside playing baseball in the street
2013-05-01 01:07:26 PM
2 votes:

CrazyCracka420: Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.


So you admit the conspiracy theory is incorrect?  The "political method" is the precise method the 9/11 Truther movement used.  "It was an inside job" and here are the "facts to back it up."  When their "facts" were debunked they claimed the debunkers were a part of the conspiracy OR they moved the goal posts (which made the conspiracy even more of a grandiose, all-encompassing scheme).

Alex Jones immediately jumped to a conclusion that the Boston Marathon bombing was a government operation and then shoe-horned the evidence to fit his conclusion.

The 9/11 Commission used the powers of observation to see planes hitting the towers and started from there.  That's called "evidence" in the process of an investigation, and you tend to immediately discard ridiculous theories such as "there were hundreds of pounds of explosives and miles of detonation wiring planted in each of those buildings that went completely unnoticed and were detonated at precise moments to make it look like planes crashing into the buildings actually brought down the buildings."

The real fact is:  there was indeed a conspiracy on 9/11.  About 20 pissed off Muslims took advantage of lax airport security, hijacked four airplanes, rammed three of them into buildings and failed at the fourth attempt.

The fact that you continue this foolish line of thinking, despite the fact that you've been given explanations otherwise, demonstrates delusion.  YOU are precisely the type of person this article is about.  YOU dismiss logic, reason and science so you can cling to your own worldview that something even more sinister than what actually happened happened.

That, or you're a troll.  (In which case, 10/10, good job.)
2013-05-01 12:39:14 PM
2 votes:

Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]

Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.


www.911hardfacts.com
2013-05-01 12:16:32 PM
2 votes:
One draw of conspiracy theories is the belief that you know something no one else does. Everyone else is part of the sheeple, and you are one of the few enlightened who know the truth. You are Morpheus, and everyone else is trapped in The Matrix. This makes you special, unique, and your life has meaning. You are part of the resistance, the Rebel Alliance. You are the lone voice of reason, the prophet in the wilderness, and you are bringing enlightenment to a world in darkness. it's no wonder these ideas are so appealing.

When you argue against conspiracy theorists, what you are telling them is that they aren't special. You are going up against a raging ego, and no amount of rational argument will convince people to accept that they are just as ordinary as you.
2013-05-01 11:26:02 AM
2 votes:
The fact remains, the 9/11 commission went in looking to prove that planes and fire brought down the WTC buildings.  They didn't even look at the possibility of demolitions being used.

i14.photobucket.com

Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.
2013-05-01 09:58:16 AM
2 votes:

legion_of_doo: Abox: The dumber you are, the more you're likely to believe there's people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception in the name of things you're scared of.

that's the trick with 9/11 conspiracy... you'd have to work around Dumbya.


Of course, you do realize that whatever anyone believes, there will be "people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception "
2013-05-01 08:54:54 AM
2 votes:

neversubmit: 100,000 CONSPIRATORS WORKING IN 3 SECRET CITIES!

[www.tomatobubble.com image 300x295]


It's true none of that happened, no really ; )
2013-05-01 08:54:28 AM
2 votes:
9/11 was a conspiracy, that is a fact.  The real question is who all was conspiring and for what benefit/goal?  Was it 19 hijackers under the command of a former CIA asset to try and drive the US military out of Muslim Land, but instead lead to the invasion of multiple countries?  Or was it a global cabal of war profiteers who had previously outlined a way to invade the countries (All of which were not part of their central banking cartel/fraud) that have now been invaded, to set up a Project for a New American Century of warfare to try and monopolize all of the worlds natural resources in the hands of a few unelected elite.
2013-05-01 08:00:44 AM
2 votes:
Meh. Conspiracy theories are crazy until they're not. It was a "conspiracy theory" that the American government purposefully turned a blind eye to the plight of Jewish refugees in WWII...until some guys from the Treasury Department essentially blackmailed the State Department and Roosevelt with threats of going public. Then it got serious.

Instead of the thousands of other examples, I went straight for the Holocaust. Lazy, I know, but it's early.

Continue on with whatever your reptilian overlords from the Hollow Earth want you to think, though. You won't be so smug when the real bin Laden returns from Atlantis with the Spear of Longinus in his wet, tentacled grasp.
2013-05-01 08:00:30 AM
2 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: No it was only a coincidence that the Loose Change guys were in the military right before all that. There's no way the government, any government, would have ever planed misinformation campaigns, that's just silly talk.
/Again there are no conspiracies ever.


Right, because 9/11 was a conspiracy AND the government created the conspiracy theories to cover up the conspiracy

Loosen that tinfoil hat, it prevents oxygen from making it to your brain
2013-05-01 07:59:09 AM
2 votes:

Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious


imgs.xkcd.com
2013-05-01 07:42:27 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Denigrate and alienate people who question the official story. Discount their opinions and questions and squelch dissent. Openly mock anyone who deviates from the proper groupthink. Do not give them any quarter. Make them embarrassed to ask any questions.

It's up to all of us to stop the spread of lies against the State.


When your opinions require the need for thousands of fellow citizens to keep the secret without any real motivation to do so, rely on lack of evidence as evidence for the conspiracy, and include accusations of my fellow citizens in law enforcement being part of a conspiracy that is systematically killing other citizens in false flag operations but yet you can't produce evidence for it, you will be mocked.

Accepting reality isn't 'groupthink'.   Go ahead, ask questions.  It is your claims,  but if you are making claims that don't match reality, they will be discounted.
2013-05-01 07:39:24 AM
2 votes:
One man's conspiracy theory is another man's set of provable observations about a plutocratic, media-controlled, police state.

Or woman's, I guess. . . .
2013-05-01 07:28:48 AM
2 votes:
Denigrate and alienate people who question the official story. Discount their opinions and questions and squelch dissent. Openly mock anyone who deviates from the proper groupthink. Do not give them any quarter. Make them embarrassed to ask any questions.

It's up to all of us to stop the spread of lies against the State.
2013-05-01 07:09:06 AM
2 votes:
In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious
2013-05-01 10:13:51 PM
1 votes:

GregoryD: Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]

Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

[www.911hardfacts.com image 360x320]

Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


You mean like this building?

www.serendipity.li

You know, WTC 6, which DIDN'T collapse despite having a huge gaping hole through the center and was also burning?
2013-05-01 01:46:18 PM
1 votes:

Ctrl-Alt-Del: CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.

How many then, 4? 5?  To me, it's certainly conceivable that however many people it would take to do such a task, would be capable of keeping the secret.  And I don't think it would be hard to go unnoticed either, they would be dressed as construction or maintenance workers.  I read reports of construction going on, on floors that were unoccupied leading up to 9/11.  I thought I even read somewhere that some floors of the building that were occupied, were "closed" on a weekend prior to 9/11 due to some sort of maintenance.

No I don't think it would be hard at all to blend in, or keep the secret between the limited amount of people needed to carry out such an act.

I don't see how anyone can think it would be that inconceivable.  You don't have to believe demolitions brought down WTC 1, 2 or 7 to be able to see that it's certainly possible that it could have been carried out.

From the company that brought down the Farmers Bank Building in Pittsburgh:
"CDI's 13 person crew needed seven (7) days to place 1,590 linear shaped charges totaling 595 lb. of explosives on steel columns on 11 levels of the 27-story structure.  "

And that was for a single, hundred year old building that was 24 stories tall, with two months of full, unfettered access for advance preparation, and no need to hide or disguise the hundreds of pounds of explosives and thousands of yards of wiring they were attaching to it.

So yeah, the idea that 2, or 3, or 7 guys could get full access to the innermost recesses of both of those buildings, and plant explosive charges every single day for what? Eight? Twelve months? Without anyone noticing either 1) The guys themselves or 2) The  ...


Plus expecting those charges to not go off when the planes hit and started burning  but would be left intact and functional to work perfectly an hour later. And for the planes to hit the exact right floor for the charges to make it look like the plane damage caused the collapse.
2013-05-01 01:18:07 PM
1 votes:

Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.

So you admit the conspiracy theory is incorrect?  The "political method" is the precise method the 9/11 Truther movement used.  "It was an inside job" and here are the "facts to back it up."  When their "facts" were debunked they claimed the debunkers were a part of the conspiracy OR they moved the goal posts (which made the conspiracy even more of a grandiose, all-encompassing scheme).

Alex Jones immediately jumped to a conclusion that the Boston Marathon bombing was a government operation and then shoe-horned the evidence to fit his conclusion.


True, but there are some things that are red flags for CTists in these cases and they try to look for them : drills and ties to the CIA or other shadowy agencies. As i've posted once earlier:
Retired CIA officer Graham Fuller confirmed to Al-Monitor Saturday that his daughter was previously married to an uncle of the suspects in the Boston Marathon attacks, but called rumors of any links between the uncle and the Agency "absurd." "
http://gawker.com/ex-cia-agent-denies-rumors-of-ties-to-ruslan-tsarn ae v-483787629

I think it's interesting info especially since it's the uncle that was interviewed several times and called the brothers "losers"....brainwashing is brainwashing whether it be from shadowy CIA operatives or islamist extremists. It's not the first time these domestic terrorists have had close links to the military or the CIA. It's noteworthy isn't it?

"Graham E. Fuller is an American author and political analyst, specializing in Islamic extremism.Formerly vice-chair of the National Intelligence Council, he also served as Station Chief in Kabul for the CIA. A "think piece" that Fuller wrote for the CIA was identified as instrumental in leading to the Iran-contra affair. After a career in the United States State Department and CIA lasting 27 years,he joined Rand Corporation as senior political scientist specializing in the Middle East. As of 2006, he was affiliated with the Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada as an adjunct professor of history. He is the author of a number of books, including The Future of Political Islam. " wikied

/here, have some tinfoil. I have some to spare.
2013-05-01 01:12:18 PM
1 votes:

Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]

Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

[www.911hardfacts.com image 360x320]


Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

i.imgur.com
 

Also the several firefighters saw the damage and withdrew from trying to save it. They saw with their eyes that it was in danger of collapse.

See what they say here.
2013-05-01 12:27:44 PM
1 votes:

stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs


The Manhattan Project was (a) during the war after Pearl harbour and (b) clearly a government project for the good of the country. Americans were highly motivated to keep the secret, even without the threats. Look at Bletchly Park in the UK where they built the worlds first electronic programmable computer and broke Enigma daily, yet that didn't leak out until decades later.

Not if a fairly unpopular president carries out a project to kill 3000 Americans and a destroy chunk of New York do you really think people will be just as happy to keep that secret?
2013-05-01 12:22:12 PM
1 votes:

stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs


The major difference is that the vast majority of people working on this did not know or understand the full consequences of their jobs, and many were racked with guilt after the bombs dropped, knowing then that they had contributed to this. The top few who did know also only needed to keep the secret until the moment the bomb dropped, after that it didn't matter who knew what.
What the tinfoil hatters expect us to believe is that thousands of people were not only in on it, but had to have been informed of the full extent of the conspiracy, and somehow incentivized to keep that secret for the rest of their lives.
2013-05-01 11:59:00 AM
1 votes:

CrazyCracka420: As a troofer and agnostic (I think that demolitions are what brought down WTC 1, 2 and 7...don't have any idea by who) I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


So please explain how these magical explosives managed to stay completely inert despite being hit by a plane and burning at jet-fuel temperatures for several hours, and only went pop when Bush pressed the button.
2013-05-01 11:54:08 AM
1 votes:
The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!
2013-05-01 11:37:54 AM
1 votes:

Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]


Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.
2013-05-01 11:09:58 AM
1 votes:

CrazyCracka420: Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it. I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it. That is all. If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.


Yes, yes, we've heard it.  "I'm just asking questions here!"

The problem is YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS.  This shiat has been debunked, in this very thread already, and you continue.  Nothing is going to convince you.

It isn't a "closed mind" that doesn't allow us to think of this as a possibility, it's a logical mind that actually allows us to think through the scenario and realize the bullshiat smells like bullshiat.
2013-05-01 10:38:12 AM
1 votes:

Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.



A 14-year old in an AOL chat room would still be a step up from most Farkers.
www.themagazine.ca
Does someone need a hug?
2013-05-01 09:56:11 AM
1 votes:
Are "conspiracy theorists" irrational and have a difficulty coping with reality?
The same could be said about people who feel hatred for conspiracy theories, who only pay attention to the lowest common denominator while believing they are seriously trying to get to the bottom of an issue, and rejoice in mocking all dissenting views that they believe is distorting their reality.
/empathy... some of you lack it.
2013-05-01 09:43:08 AM
1 votes:

Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious


Oh man,

Shut up Please.
2013-05-01 09:20:11 AM
1 votes:
the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.
2013-05-01 09:18:16 AM
1 votes:

Source4leko: Tatsuma: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]
9/11 never happened guys

/the first one, really? for shame thread

This made me lol.  I can't remember the particulars of this 'experiment', other than it was the most laughable attempt at testing anything I can remember.  I wonder what it would be like to try and have a conversation with the guy that did this.


Infuriating for me.  Some kinds of idiocy I just can't tolerate.  Willful, bull headed ignorance is the worst.
2013-05-01 09:06:34 AM
1 votes:

August11: I'm starting to think irrationality is tactic that actually keeps a large number of our species safe.


Actually, it kind of is. Just as our brains fill in missing data like what you "see" in your eye's physical blind spot, our brains also leap to conclusions about the perceived threat of something, or benevolence of something, thanks to wiring left over from when life-or-death decisions had to be made instinctively, and when we had to make sense of the world or get killed. Our brains are constantly "helping" us by making shiat up. Kind of like seeing a face in this -_- but not this _-_. Our brain is wired for facial recognition (a useful cognitive shortcut) so we see Jesus in bathroom stains and toast.

Also, being constantly aware of one's miniscule and brief existence in the midst of a vast, cold and chaotic void is kind of disconcerting. Our brains are there to help us by glomming on to whatever explanation will make one feel not only comfortable but certain in the midst of uncertainty. There's also a power in being certain where others are not. "I WANT TO BELIEVE" indeed.
2013-05-01 09:02:41 AM
1 votes:
There's something kind of optimistic about conspiracy theorists. They assume that humans are far more capable and far more likely to keep secrets than actual experience with humans supports.
2013-05-01 09:02:27 AM
1 votes:
A "conspiracy theory" is the battle cry of one who simply does not have enough data to reach a conclusion.
2013-05-01 08:52:21 AM
1 votes:

neversubmit: 100,000 CONSPIRATORS WORKING IN 3 SECRET CITIES!

[www.tomatobubble.com image 300x295]


Umm, that's not a conspiracy.
2013-05-01 08:46:05 AM
1 votes:
The 9/11 Tragedy - All Explained by Government Facts

You "TRUTHERS" need to hang your head in shame! HOW could there have been a conspiracy involving 9/11? So what two airplanes took out 3 buildings? So what about the "magic passport"? Here's the TRUTH according to our government and media, all laid out and only 5 minutes long.
2013-05-01 08:41:25 AM
1 votes:
2013-05-01 08:40:24 AM
1 votes:
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching me

A broad number of conspiracy theories always struck me as being nothing more than a coping mechanism people would utilize after a tragic event. By associating the event as part of an even larger and more sinister plot conducted by some organization/cabal/alien/whatever it allows the person to create a theoretical target that can be stopped. This allows people to generate an illusion of possessing some degree of control over such situation instead of feeling completely helpless.
2013-05-01 08:37:10 AM
1 votes:
The dumber you are, the more you're likely to believe there's people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception in the name of things you're scared of.
2013-05-01 08:35:48 AM
1 votes:
When I was taking college physics I used to assume that one or more of the equations or explanations of nuclear fission were intentionally incorrect so that students wouldn't figure out how to make a bomb.
2013-05-01 08:34:58 AM
1 votes:

legion_of_doo: so much of American politics life is emotional, belief based...

2013-05-01 08:31:52 AM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: bilgemaster: So, where's the "It's a conspiracy" guy, on a break?

There's a last minute pinch hitter.



I've stopped arguing with people on topics that deal with belief. I'll make sure they've been exposed to a realistic worldview and let them wharr their garrble and I just don't give two farks beyond that. There's some twisted reward function in the mere act of arguing for the believers.


so much of American politics is emotional, belief based... whether god based ("if you believe X, you going to hell!"), amorphous civil rights based ("if you believe X, you want to enslave women! you fundie troll!"), or whatnot.

we like to cloak things in terms of science or reason, but most of what fuels people is sewage and bull feces.
2013-05-01 08:21:12 AM
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For example, while it has been known for some time that people who believe in one conspiracy theory are also likely to believe in other conspiracy theories

This is obvious to anyone who has spoken to a conspiracy nut. Although it does make it really easy to disregard everything that person says and also make it easy to pull off one of these:

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2013-05-01 08:20:45 AM
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28 percent believe a secret elite power with a globalist agenda is conspiring to rule the world.

Is that anything like the well-known power that already rules the world?
2013-05-01 08:12:50 AM
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assassinationof3u5.weebly.com
Because not believing this bullet went through 2 people and shattered one of their femurs is completely irrational and finding it extraordinarily suspicious that Governor Connally's widow refused to allow another bullet to be removed from his body after his death is even more suspicious because looking for scientific evidence is rejection of science.
2013-05-01 08:11:03 AM
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Tatsuma: tinfoil-hat maggie: No it was only a coincidence that the Loose Change guys were in the military right before all that. There's no way the government, any government, would have ever planed misinformation campaigns, that's just silly talk.
/Again there are no conspiracies ever.

Right, because 9/11 was a conspiracy AND the government created the conspiracy theories to cover up the conspiracy

Loosen that tinfoil hat, it prevents oxygen from making it to your brain


You know what the worst conspiracy of all is? Letting people know the truth. The government farked up. Ya, I believe it's as simple as that., but for some of those fark ups certain people might have been held accountable, and well that wouldn't do would it?
/Just saying
2013-05-01 08:07:48 AM
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Tatsuma: notto: When your opinions require the need for thousands of fellow citizens to keep the secret without any real motivation to do so

The same government who couldn't keep Bill Clinton's blowjob a secret was able 3 years later to pull off 9/11 without a hitch


Is there really just one, monolithic government? It seems to me that when you are talking about a beast the size of the Federal government, you are actually talking about many actors, not all of whom are on the same page.
2013-05-01 08:03:04 AM
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SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.


Whatever you say, Doctor of Psychiatric Medicine.

Meanwhile people turn a blind eye to human history steeped in proven conspiracies, manipulation and control by governments and religions while eating the daily propaganda.

--- mere days ago we were bombarded by derp galore while the NK Gov't was merely trotting out some hardware for the citizens to parade around during a national holiday.

--- days ago the same people whom the Russian Gov't previously warned about to those assigned to protect this country were successful in causing much pain, suffering and mayhem in Boston.
2013-05-01 08:02:26 AM
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Facetious_Speciest: Meh. Conspiracy theories are crazy until they're not. It was a "conspiracy theory" that the American government purposefully turned a blind eye to the plight of Jewish refugees in WWII...until some guys from the Treasury Department essentially blackmailed the State Department and Roosevelt with threats of going public. Then it got serious.


Look, no one is denying that there are cover-ups and such, it'd be stupid to believe the opposite.

On the other hand, those are not the conspiracies we're addressing. We're addressing the 9-11/Newton/Boston Marathon were false flag psy ops nubjobs
2013-05-01 07:59:44 AM
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Is this the thread where I can lament the loss of Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell?  That was some entertaining radio.
2013-05-01 07:59:10 AM
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Oh.

I see that the conspiracy theorists and the hardliner assholes have turned up.

Good luck with your shiatty little thread, Drew.
2013-05-01 07:58:36 AM
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phaseolus: Another recent study indicates that receiving positive information about or even being merely exposed to conspiracy theories can lead people to become disengaged from important political and societal topics. For example, in their study, Daniel Jolley and Karen Douglas clearly show that participants who received information that supported the idea that global warming is a hoax were less willing to engage politically and also less willing to implement individual behavioral changes such as reducing their carbon footprint.

These findings are alarming because they show that conspiracy theories sow public mistrust and undermine democratic debate by diverting attention away from important scientific, political and societal issues.


What's really alarming is that this implies that conspiracy theories can be engineered to accomplish that exact purpose


No it was only a coincidence that the Loose Change guys were in the military right before all that. There's no way the government, any government, would have ever planed misinformation campaigns, that's just silly talk.
/Again there are no conspiracies ever.
2013-05-01 07:54:26 AM
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phaseolus: Another recent study indicates that receiving positive information about or even being merely exposed to conspiracy theories can lead people to become disengaged from important political and societal topics. For example, in their study, Daniel Jolley and Karen Douglas clearly show that participants who received information that supported the idea that global warming is a hoax were less willing to engage politically and also less willing to implement individual behavioral changes such as reducing their carbon footprint.

These findings are alarming because they show that conspiracy theories sow public mistrust and undermine democratic debate by diverting attention away from important scientific, political and societal issues.


What's really alarming is that this implies that conspiracy theories can be engineered to accomplish that exact purpose


It seems pretty apparent that conspiracy theorists in the public sphere protect the government from real criticism by poisoning the well with obvious errant nonsense, but it seems unlikely that is deliberately engineered given the media has always tended to seek out and amplify the most outrageous, stupid, weird and nutball parts of society.
2013-05-01 07:50:39 AM
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Another recent study indicates that receiving positive information about or even being merely exposed to conspiracy theories can lead people to become disengaged from important political and societal topics. For example, in their study, Daniel Jolley and Karen Douglas clearly show that participants who received information that supported the idea that global warming is a hoax were less willing to engage politically and also less willing to implement individual behavioral changes such as reducing their carbon footprint.

These findings are alarming because they show that conspiracy theories sow public mistrust and undermine democratic debate by diverting attention away from important scientific, political and societal issues.



What's really alarming is that this implies that conspiracy theories can be engineered to accomplish that exact purpose
2013-05-01 07:50:24 AM
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ThunderPelvis: 1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.


Oh and don't forget hippie's were violent, there were no FBI men starting sh@t disguised in crowds.
2013-05-01 07:31:22 AM
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Flint Ironstag: Yeah, that's just what they want you to think....


Heh, LOL, everybody knows there are no conspiracies ever.

/I said ever : )
//I'd tell ya the truth but but I could get in trouble.
2013-05-01 07:28:48 AM
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Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious


You forgot 0bummer and Hitler.

/If you're going to thread shiat, do it right.
2013-05-01 07:24:09 AM
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In before breakfast.
2013-05-01 06:47:28 AM
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Yeah, that's just what they want you to think....
 
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