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(Scientific American)   Conspiracy theory believers more likely to reject science and behave irrationally. As if we needed a study to figure this out   (scientificamerican.com) divider line 298
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2013-05-01 06:47:28 AM  
Yeah, that's just what they want you to think....
 
2013-05-01 07:09:06 AM  
In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious
 
2013-05-01 07:22:40 AM  

Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious


In before an atheist is buttblasted about that comment.
 
2013-05-01 07:24:03 AM  
If They can get you asking the wrong questions They don't have to worry about the right answers.
 
2013-05-01 07:24:09 AM  
In before breakfast.
 
2013-05-01 07:24:19 AM  
I'm starting to think irrationality is tactic that actually keeps a large number of our species safe.
 
2013-05-01 07:24:35 AM  
The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.
 
2013-05-01 07:27:08 AM  
Right, next you'll try to tell me the Greys aren't in control of all the world's governments. Pshaw.
 
2013-05-01 07:28:48 AM  
Denigrate and alienate people who question the official story. Discount their opinions and questions and squelch dissent. Openly mock anyone who deviates from the proper groupthink. Do not give them any quarter. Make them embarrassed to ask any questions.

It's up to all of us to stop the spread of lies against the State.
 
2013-05-01 07:28:48 AM  

Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious


You forgot 0bummer and Hitler.

/If you're going to thread shiat, do it right.
 
2013-05-01 07:28:56 AM  
My employer has commissioned me to deliver this milk, to whitewash what went on here. I cannot rest until I have made my final delivery.
 
2013-05-01 07:29:07 AM  

August11: I'm starting to think irrationality is tactic that actually keeps a large number of our species safe.


"a tactic"

grrr
 
2013-05-01 07:30:25 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Yeah, that's just what they want you to think....


You were all over that one. Where the Hell were the rest of you?
 
2013-05-01 07:30:57 AM  

SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.


Yeah but its amazing the number of people who aren't obvious loonies, but hold a conspiracy belief. They just don't make it their hobby like those folks, so they're not always going on about it. I'm sure you can easily think of one or two people who are seeming rational and sane people...but who really think 9/11 was an inside job. Or that the jews secretly control the world. Or that fluoride in the water is dangerous, drug companies withhold cures to (HIV, cancer, etc) for profits...

Not every nutjob wears the tin foil hat in public
 
2013-05-01 07:31:22 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Yeah, that's just what they want you to think....


Heh, LOL, everybody knows there are no conspiracies ever.

/I said ever : )
//I'd tell ya the truth but but I could get in trouble.
 
2013-05-01 07:34:41 AM  
We're through the looking glass, people
 
2013-05-01 07:35:05 AM  
As if we needed a study to figure this out

No, but we do need a figure to study this out...
 
2013-05-01 07:36:14 AM  
In bfore cofffe.
 
2013-05-01 07:36:54 AM  
Fun fact: The Merriam-Webster online dictionary defines "Implausible" as:

too extraordinary or improbable to believe eg "the terrorist attacks generated a whole passel of implausible conspiracy theories that dishonor the memory of those who perished"
 
2013-05-01 07:37:26 AM  
i.imgur.com
9/11 never happened guys

/the first one, really? for shame thread
 
2013-05-01 07:38:58 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Denigrate and alienate people who question the official story. Discount their opinions and questions and squelch dissent. Openly mock anyone who deviates from the proper groupthink. Do not give them any quarter. Make them embarrassed to ask any questions.

It's up to all of us to stop the spread of lies against the State.


Whenever I hear this sort of thing, it doesn't make me want to expose the conspiracy, it makes me want to join the conspirators. Probably there's something wrong with me.
 
2013-05-01 07:39:00 AM  
Science is just a conspiracy of evidence.
 
2013-05-01 07:39:24 AM  
One man's conspiracy theory is another man's set of provable observations about a plutocratic, media-controlled, police state.

Or woman's, I guess. . . .
 
2013-05-01 07:40:23 AM  
In before my parking meter expires.
 
2013-05-01 07:40:44 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Whenever I hear this sort of thing, it doesn't make me want to expose the conspiracy, it makes me want to join the conspirators. Probably there's something wrong with me.


I'm right there with ya.

It also makes me want to give the people who wrote that shiat swirlies and atomic wedgies, too.
 
2013-05-01 07:42:23 AM  

Deathfrogg: In bfore cofffe.


In while still not having slept and been on an alcohol diet : )
Oh and Tats is here so I'm not gonna be the craziest in the room ; )
/Sorry Tat's.
 
2013-05-01 07:42:27 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Denigrate and alienate people who question the official story. Discount their opinions and questions and squelch dissent. Openly mock anyone who deviates from the proper groupthink. Do not give them any quarter. Make them embarrassed to ask any questions.

It's up to all of us to stop the spread of lies against the State.


When your opinions require the need for thousands of fellow citizens to keep the secret without any real motivation to do so, rely on lack of evidence as evidence for the conspiracy, and include accusations of my fellow citizens in law enforcement being part of a conspiracy that is systematically killing other citizens in false flag operations but yet you can't produce evidence for it, you will be mocked.

Accepting reality isn't 'groupthink'.   Go ahead, ask questions.  It is your claims,  but if you are making claims that don't match reality, they will be discounted.
 
2013-05-01 07:43:45 AM  
Yeah, about that science.
 relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-05-01 07:44:54 AM  
1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.
 
2013-05-01 07:46:40 AM  

notto: When your opinions require the need for thousands of fellow citizens to keep the secret without any real motivation to do so


The same government who couldn't keep Bill Clinton's blowjob a secret was able 3 years later to pull off 9/11 without a hitch
 
2013-05-01 07:46:41 AM  
Fact: Global Warming started about the same time U.F.O's started showing up. Coincidence? I think not.
Fact: They are changing our climate and atmosphere to match theirs.
 
2013-05-01 07:48:21 AM  

ThunderPelvis: 1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.


I met that blowhard in a rental car place in the late 1990s, when he was still local to Austin. He told me he was renting a car because "government thugs" shot his truck all up. With him in it. Without hitting him at all. Totaled his truck tho. Then he gave me some passes to Bad Boys strip club.

/CSB
 
2013-05-01 07:50:24 AM  

ThunderPelvis: 1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.


Oh and don't forget hippie's were violent, there were no FBI men starting sh@t disguised in crowds.
 
2013-05-01 07:50:39 AM  
Another recent study indicates that receiving positive information about or even being merely exposed to conspiracy theories can lead people to become disengaged from important political and societal topics. For example, in their study, Daniel Jolley and Karen Douglas clearly show that participants who received information that supported the idea that global warming is a hoax were less willing to engage politically and also less willing to implement individual behavioral changes such as reducing their carbon footprint.

These findings are alarming because they show that conspiracy theories sow public mistrust and undermine democratic debate by diverting attention away from important scientific, political and societal issues.



What's really alarming is that this implies that conspiracy theories can be engineered to accomplish that exact purpose
 
2013-05-01 07:53:07 AM  

untaken_name: ThunderPelvis: 1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.

I met that blowhard in a rental car place in the late 1990s, when he was still local to Austin. He told me he was renting a car because "government thugs" shot his truck all up. With him in it. Without hitting him at all. Totaled his truck tho. Then he gave me some passes to Bad Boys strip club.

/CSB


Nice!
 
2013-05-01 07:54:00 AM  

muck4doo: Fact: Global Warming started about the same time U.F.O's started showing up. Coincidence? I think not.
Fact: They are changing our climate and atmosphere to match theirs.



That's what Charlie Sheen taught me.
 
2013-05-01 07:54:04 AM  

untaken_name: ThunderPelvis: 1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.

I met that blowhard in a rental car place in the late 1990s, when he was still local to Austin. He told me he was renting a car because "government thugs" shot his truck all up. With him in it. Without hitting him at all. Totaled his truck tho. Then he gave me some passes to Bad Boys strip club.

/CSB


How do you know that was really Alex Jones?
 
2013-05-01 07:54:07 AM  

untaken_name: I met that blowhard in a rental car place in the late 1990s, when he was still local to Austin. He told me he was renting a car because "government thugs" shot his truck all up. With him in it. Without hitting him at all. Totaled his truck tho. Then he gave me some passes to Bad Boys strip club.

/CSB


... that's the opposite of a cool story, bro.
 
2013-05-01 07:54:11 AM  
Conspiracy theories are all false flags invented by the government, in order to make it easier to spot the idiots among us.
 
2013-05-01 07:54:13 AM  

untaken_name: ThunderPelvis: 1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.

I met that blowhard in a rental car place in the late 1990s, when he was still local to Austin. He told me he was renting a car because "government thugs" shot his truck all up. With him in it. Without hitting him at all. Totaled his truck tho. Then he gave me some passes to Bad Boys strip club.

/CSB


That is what colloidal silver will do to you.  It will make you crazy.
 
2013-05-01 07:54:26 AM  

phaseolus: Another recent study indicates that receiving positive information about or even being merely exposed to conspiracy theories can lead people to become disengaged from important political and societal topics. For example, in their study, Daniel Jolley and Karen Douglas clearly show that participants who received information that supported the idea that global warming is a hoax were less willing to engage politically and also less willing to implement individual behavioral changes such as reducing their carbon footprint.

These findings are alarming because they show that conspiracy theories sow public mistrust and undermine democratic debate by diverting attention away from important scientific, political and societal issues.


What's really alarming is that this implies that conspiracy theories can be engineered to accomplish that exact purpose


It seems pretty apparent that conspiracy theorists in the public sphere protect the government from real criticism by poisoning the well with obvious errant nonsense, but it seems unlikely that is deliberately engineered given the media has always tended to seek out and amplify the most outrageous, stupid, weird and nutball parts of society.
 
2013-05-01 07:55:46 AM  

muck4doo: How do you know that was really Alex Jones?


Well, it could have been his evil twin brother, I suppose.
 
2013-05-01 07:56:02 AM  

muck4doo: How do you know that was really Alex Jones?


I'm still personally not yet convinced that Alex Jones is NOT Bob Odenkirk in a fat suit

i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-01 07:56:10 AM  
Thanks to the Internet, I have plenty of sources to cite that back up my position that alien flying saucers being chased by a secret government agency crashed through the WTC causing death and dest...

Hang on. There's a helicopter in my driveway.

[carrier signal lost]
 
2013-05-01 07:56:29 AM  

Tatsuma: ... that's the opposite of a cool story, bro.


You're just jealous.

/it's a conspiracy
 
2013-05-01 07:57:13 AM  

muck4doo: Fact: Global Warming started about the same time U.F.O's started showing up. Coincidence? I think not.
Fact: They are changing our climate and atmosphere to match theirs.


Because they thrive on droughts and hurricanes. Because they're alien. . . .
 
2013-05-01 07:57:20 AM  

muck4doo: Fact: Global Warming started about the same time U.F.O's started showing up. Coincidence? I think not.
Fact: They are changing our climate and atmosphere to match theirs.


Old friend of mine from high school came up with that exact yarn at one point. He was big on the "X-Files" when it came out and swore up and down that all the episodes were based on true stories and the real human government was using the Fiction/Entertainment format to present people with the facts as gently as possible so they'd be more amenable to the invasion when it became too obvious to ignore. It was an "X-Files" script I think, (I never watched that show, not even once).

When he took to calling me at 0130 to rant about the latest episode or about something he'd heard from Art Bell or some shiat, I finally told him to quit calling me. This from a guy that I defied death with as a teenager more than a couple times. We were the original "hold my bong and watch this" guys.
 
2013-05-01 07:58:14 AM  

untaken_name: You're just jealous.

/it's a conspiracy


Yeah, because if I had been there, I would have turned to him after this and said

'Oh, we know about that. We're watching you, Mr. Jones. You might want to avoid [subject relevant at the time]' then walked out.

THAT would have been a CSB moment.
 
2013-05-01 07:58:36 AM  

phaseolus: Another recent study indicates that receiving positive information about or even being merely exposed to conspiracy theories can lead people to become disengaged from important political and societal topics. For example, in their study, Daniel Jolley and Karen Douglas clearly show that participants who received information that supported the idea that global warming is a hoax were less willing to engage politically and also less willing to implement individual behavioral changes such as reducing their carbon footprint.

These findings are alarming because they show that conspiracy theories sow public mistrust and undermine democratic debate by diverting attention away from important scientific, political and societal issues.


What's really alarming is that this implies that conspiracy theories can be engineered to accomplish that exact purpose


No it was only a coincidence that the Loose Change guys were in the military right before all that. There's no way the government, any government, would have ever planed misinformation campaigns, that's just silly talk.
/Again there are no conspiracies ever.
 
2013-05-01 07:59:09 AM  

Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-05-01 07:59:10 AM  
Oh.

I see that the conspiracy theorists and the hardliner assholes have turned up.

Good luck with your shiatty little thread, Drew.
 
2013-05-01 07:59:22 AM  

muck4doo: Fact: Global Warming started about the same time U.F.O's started showing up. Coincidence? I think not.
Fact: They are changing our climate and atmosphere to match theirs.


That was a Charlie sheen movie. That guy is really smart
 
2013-05-01 07:59:44 AM  
Is this the thread where I can lament the loss of Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell?  That was some entertaining radio.
 
2013-05-01 08:00:29 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-05-01 08:00:30 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: No it was only a coincidence that the Loose Change guys were in the military right before all that. There's no way the government, any government, would have ever planed misinformation campaigns, that's just silly talk.
/Again there are no conspiracies ever.


Right, because 9/11 was a conspiracy AND the government created the conspiracy theories to cover up the conspiracy

Loosen that tinfoil hat, it prevents oxygen from making it to your brain
 
2013-05-01 08:00:44 AM  
Meh. Conspiracy theories are crazy until they're not. It was a "conspiracy theory" that the American government purposefully turned a blind eye to the plight of Jewish refugees in WWII...until some guys from the Treasury Department essentially blackmailed the State Department and Roosevelt with threats of going public. Then it got serious.

Instead of the thousands of other examples, I went straight for the Holocaust. Lazy, I know, but it's early.

Continue on with whatever your reptilian overlords from the Hollow Earth want you to think, though. You won't be so smug when the real bin Laden returns from Atlantis with the Spear of Longinus in his wet, tentacled grasp.
 
2013-05-01 08:02:01 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Meh. Conspiracy theories are crazy until they're not. It was a "conspiracy theory" that the American government purposefully turned a blind eye to the plight of Jewish refugees in WWII...until some guys from the Treasury Department essentially blackmailed the State Department and Roosevelt with threats of going public. Then it got serious.

Instead of the thousands of other examples, I went straight for the Holocaust. Lazy, I know, but it's early.

Continue on with whatever your reptilian overlords from the Hollow Earth want you to think, though. You won't be so smug when the real bin Laden returns from Atlantis with the Spear of Longinus in his wet, tentacled grasp.


Some crazies were claiming that the US government was running fake vaccination programs in Pakistan to find Bin Laden.

LOL. What a bunch of loons.
 
2013-05-01 08:02:25 AM  
In before the lizard people.
 
2013-05-01 08:02:26 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Meh. Conspiracy theories are crazy until they're not. It was a "conspiracy theory" that the American government purposefully turned a blind eye to the plight of Jewish refugees in WWII...until some guys from the Treasury Department essentially blackmailed the State Department and Roosevelt with threats of going public. Then it got serious.


Look, no one is denying that there are cover-ups and such, it'd be stupid to believe the opposite.

On the other hand, those are not the conspiracies we're addressing. We're addressing the 9-11/Newton/Boston Marathon were false flag psy ops nubjobs
 
2013-05-01 08:02:29 AM  
www.global-air.com

A conspiracy theory seeks to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act, or a pure chance situation. (new window)
 
2013-05-01 08:03:04 AM  

SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.


Whatever you say, Doctor of Psychiatric Medicine.

Meanwhile people turn a blind eye to human history steeped in proven conspiracies, manipulation and control by governments and religions while eating the daily propaganda.

--- mere days ago we were bombarded by derp galore while the NK Gov't was merely trotting out some hardware for the citizens to parade around during a national holiday.

--- days ago the same people whom the Russian Gov't previously warned about to those assigned to protect this country were successful in causing much pain, suffering and mayhem in Boston.
 
2013-05-01 08:03:07 AM  

Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]


Is that really WTC7 in the background?
 
2013-05-01 08:04:18 AM  
There are two types of people: Those who win, and those who win arguments. The two are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-05-01 08:04:48 AM  

SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.


I really do wonder if the likes of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck aren't suffering from paranoid delusion. And no, I'm not being hyperbolic.

It's either clever marketing to the crazies, or they're both lunatics.
 
2013-05-01 08:05:51 AM  
So  the two dudes and the dudette had a threesome, taped it, and these are the  results.
 
2013-05-01 08:06:04 AM  
America is getting too fat and suddenly twinkies go out of business? Shyeah right. I know the truth there. Ask yourself, who gained what? Fairway markets. That's who. Americans were too fat to reach the high places on their stores' shelves as their shame bellies would hang out as they extended. Not anymore! And do they sell lizard meat? NO! Farking lizard race
 
2013-05-01 08:06:51 AM  
When he took to calling me at 0130 to rant about the latest episode or about something he'd heard from Art Bell or some shiat

Dang. Art Bell. Haven't listened to that mess in a LONG time. That there was some good stuff when you have to be up late; the crazy talk was crazy enough to tweak my brain and keep me awake.
 
2013-05-01 08:07:29 AM  
I see many deniers of facts here.
 
2013-05-01 08:07:48 AM  

Tatsuma: notto: When your opinions require the need for thousands of fellow citizens to keep the secret without any real motivation to do so

The same government who couldn't keep Bill Clinton's blowjob a secret was able 3 years later to pull off 9/11 without a hitch


Is there really just one, monolithic government? It seems to me that when you are talking about a beast the size of the Federal government, you are actually talking about many actors, not all of whom are on the same page.
 
2013-05-01 08:08:17 AM  
fact: sheeple: Hurr hurrr derp! Charlie Sheen!
 
2013-05-01 08:09:31 AM  
My beer glared at me threateningly at the last fark gathering I went to. I drank it, then went for a more conservative one.
 
2013-05-01 08:09:38 AM  

Cythraul: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

I really do wonder if the likes of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck aren't suffering from paranoid delusion. And no, I'm not being hyperbolic.

It's either clever marketing to the crazies, or they're both lunatics.


I don't think either one fits the legal definition of lunatic (well, Jones maybe), but they both know how to work it to that crowd. Considering how much money they make off their cult-of-personalty bullshiat, I'd call 'em "crazy like a fox".
 
2013-05-01 08:11:03 AM  

Tatsuma: tinfoil-hat maggie: No it was only a coincidence that the Loose Change guys were in the military right before all that. There's no way the government, any government, would have ever planed misinformation campaigns, that's just silly talk.
/Again there are no conspiracies ever.

Right, because 9/11 was a conspiracy AND the government created the conspiracy theories to cover up the conspiracy

Loosen that tinfoil hat, it prevents oxygen from making it to your brain


You know what the worst conspiracy of all is? Letting people know the truth. The government farked up. Ya, I believe it's as simple as that., but for some of those fark ups certain people might have been held accountable, and well that wouldn't do would it?
/Just saying
 
2013-05-01 08:11:43 AM  

muck4doo: fact: sheeple: Hurr hurrr derp! Charlie Sheen!


He puts the herp in herpa durp
 
2013-05-01 08:11:46 AM  

Facetious_Speciest: Meh. Conspiracy theories are crazy until they're not. It was a "conspiracy theory" that the American government purposefully turned a blind eye to the plight of Jewish refugees in WWII...until some guys from the Treasury Department essentially blackmailed the State Department and Roosevelt with threats of going public. Then it got serious.

Instead of the thousands of other examples, I went straight for the Holocaust. Lazy, I know, but it's early.

Continue on with whatever your reptilian overlords from the Hollow Earth want you to think, though. You won't be so smug when the real bin Laden returns from Atlantis with the Spear of Longinus in his wet, tentacled grasp.


Ha! You think bin Laden's the real threat. Cute.

//never heard of the power BEHIND the throne, ignoramus? That merman is just a PAWN
 
2013-05-01 08:11:59 AM  
Aar1012: A group of unrelated people are terrible!

Frank N Stein: And if they acknowledge this post, they're EVEN WORSE!

You kids and your drugs.
 
2013-05-01 08:12:05 AM  
fact 1-the media makes you sheep
fact 2- conspiracy theories are a way to take a national tragedy/mundane occurrence, and create a story around it where you are the important one who has the knowledge ONLY YOU can share it with others to 'wake them up'.

So conspiracy theories are the zenith of attention whoring
 
2013-05-01 08:12:50 AM  
assassinationof3u5.weebly.com
Because not believing this bullet went through 2 people and shattered one of their femurs is completely irrational and finding it extraordinarily suspicious that Governor Connally's widow refused to allow another bullet to be removed from his body after his death is even more suspicious because looking for scientific evidence is rejection of science.
 
2013-05-01 08:13:53 AM  
So, where's the "It's a conspiracy" guy, on a break?
 
2013-05-01 08:14:31 AM  

thecpt: America is getting too fat and suddenly twinkies go out of business? Shyeah right. I know the truth there. Ask yourself, who gained what? Fairway markets. That's who. Americans were too fat to reach the high places on their stores' shelves as their shame bellies would hang out as they extended. Not anymore! And do they sell lizard meat? NO! Farking lizard race


Yeah right. Did you SEE the cow being butchered with your OWN eyes? The reptoids have been feeding us the flesh of their weaker children (i.e. incapable of shapeshifting or even glamours) for 2 centuries now.
 
2013-05-01 08:15:00 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: Is there really just one, monolithic government? It seems to me that when you are talking about a beast the size of the Federal government, you are actually talking about many actors, not all of whom are on the same page.


So then a six-month old new government pulled off 9/11 after being out of power for 8 years?
 
2013-05-01 08:17:16 AM  

OscarTamerz: Because not believing this bullet went through 2 people and shattered one of their femurs is completely irrational and finding it extraordinarily suspicious that Governor Connally's widow refused to allow another bullet to be removed from his body after his death is even more suspicious because looking for scientific evidence is rejection of science.


Some good oldschool herp n'derp there, grand-pa
 
2013-05-01 08:18:27 AM  

Tatsuma: untaken_name: You're just jealous.

/it's a conspiracy

Yeah, because if I had been there, I would have turned to him after this and said

'Oh, we know about that. We're watching you, Mr. Jones. You might want to avoid [subject relevant at the time]' then walked out.

THAT would have been a CSB moment.


Sure you would have. You're the guy who calls someone back two days later when you think up the put down you couldn't think of on the spot.
 
2013-05-01 08:18:39 AM  
The best way to make anything seem like a hoax, is to somehow relate it to something else that is completely numbnuts.
 
2013-05-01 08:19:50 AM  

Tatsuma: 9/11 never happened guys

/the first one, really? for shame thread


that was an impressive "science" experiment.

/a lot of people don't grasp basic science in this country, and mistake science for another form of politics
 
2013-05-01 08:20:26 AM  
So he invoked Richard Hofstadter clearly without having any idea what Hofstadter actually argued. Hofstadter was NOT saying that that people who have the "paranoid style" of politics were actually clinical. In fact, he was trying to give a psychological and social scientific explanation as to why paranoia is and has been so prevalent in American politics. It's annoying when people invoke a thinker without having a clue what they were about.
 
2013-05-01 08:20:38 AM  

untaken_name: Sure you would have. You're the guy who calls someone back two days later when you think up the put down you couldn't think of on the spot.


No actually I'm quite able to come up with witticism on the spot. Now imagine lazy ones like 'Well he's a retarded conspiracy theorist asshole, let's make a serious face and pretend to be part of the conspiracy'!
 
2013-05-01 08:20:45 AM  
28 percent believe a secret elite power with a globalist agenda is conspiring to rule the world.

Is that anything like the well-known power that already rules the world?
 
2013-05-01 08:21:12 AM  
For example, while it has been known for some time that people who believe in one conspiracy theory are also likely to believe in other conspiracy theories

This is obvious to anyone who has spoken to a conspiracy nut. Although it does make it really easy to disregard everything that person says and also make it easy to pull off one of these:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-05-01 08:23:21 AM  

bilgemaster: So, where's the "It's a conspiracy" guy, on a break?


There's a last minute pinch hitter.

media.tumblr.com

I've stopped arguing with people on topics that deal with belief. I'll make sure they've been exposed to a realistic worldview and let them wharr their garrble and I just don't give two farks beyond that. There's some twisted reward function in the mere act of arguing for the believers.
 
2013-05-01 08:24:55 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Denigrate and alienate people who question the official story. Discount their opinions and questions and squelch dissent. Openly mock anyone who deviates from the proper groupthink. Do not give them any quarter. Make them embarrassed to ask any questions.

It's up to all of us to stop the spread of lies against the State.


Interesting. When I click on the Smart button here, the post doesn't show up in the Smart link.
 
2013-05-01 08:25:28 AM  

moothemagiccow: thecpt: America is getting too fat and suddenly twinkies go out of business? Shyeah right. I know the truth there. Ask yourself, who gained what? Fairway markets. That's who. Americans were too fat to reach the high places on their stores' shelves as their shame bellies would hang out as they extended. Not anymore! And do they sell lizard meat? NO! Farking lizard race

Yeah right. Did you SEE the cow being butchered with your OWN eyes? The reptoids have been feeding us the flesh of their weaker children (i.e. incapable of shapeshifting or even glamours) for 2 centuries now.


Well no. Their burgers don't taste like their weaker bad shape shifters. The local lizard posing ignorantly as the former local police chief was pretty rough to chew. After I disposed of him I had to see what he tasted like cooked so I would know, and I got to say it was more like gamey chicken. He never morphed back to lizard state so maybe that effected it, but still nothing like those burgers. I think they've been mixing in meat from their fallen grey opponents though.
 
2013-05-01 08:31:52 AM  

wildcardjack: bilgemaster: So, where's the "It's a conspiracy" guy, on a break?

There's a last minute pinch hitter.



I've stopped arguing with people on topics that deal with belief. I'll make sure they've been exposed to a realistic worldview and let them wharr their garrble and I just don't give two farks beyond that. There's some twisted reward function in the mere act of arguing for the believers.


so much of American politics is emotional, belief based... whether god based ("if you believe X, you going to hell!"), amorphous civil rights based ("if you believe X, you want to enslave women! you fundie troll!"), or whatnot.

we like to cloak things in terms of science or reason, but most of what fuels people is sewage and bull feces.
 
2013-05-01 08:34:58 AM  

legion_of_doo: so much of American politics life is emotional, belief based...

 
2013-05-01 08:35:27 AM  

Tatsuma: No actually I'm quite able to come up with witticism on the spot.


You're also very humble.

/and delusional, but I don't hold that against you
 
2013-05-01 08:35:48 AM  
When I was taking college physics I used to assume that one or more of the equations or explanations of nuclear fission were intentionally incorrect so that students wouldn't figure out how to make a bomb.
 
2013-05-01 08:37:10 AM  
The dumber you are, the more you're likely to believe there's people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception in the name of things you're scared of.
 
2013-05-01 08:37:24 AM  
UFOs are not from outer space....they're from the secret Nazi base in Antarctica

http://www.examiner.com/article/did-us-navy-battle-ufos-protecting-n az i-antarctic-sanctuary-1947
 
2013-05-01 08:40:24 AM  
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching me

A broad number of conspiracy theories always struck me as being nothing more than a coping mechanism people would utilize after a tragic event. By associating the event as part of an even larger and more sinister plot conducted by some organization/cabal/alien/whatever it allows the person to create a theoretical target that can be stopped. This allows people to generate an illusion of possessing some degree of control over such situation instead of feeling completely helpless.
 
2013-05-01 08:41:25 AM  
 
2013-05-01 08:44:39 AM  

Abox: The dumber you are, the more you're likely to believe there's people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception in the name of things you're scared of.


that's the trick with 9/11 conspiracy... you'd have to work around Dumbya.
 
2013-05-01 08:45:29 AM  

untaken_name: You're also very humble.

/and delusional, but I don't hold that against you


Well considering what you've come up so far, it's probably best you don't try to joke around so much it's bound to fail hard.

Probably why you couldn't come up with a screenname either

.

Abox: The dumber you are, the more you're likely to believe there's people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception in the name of things you're scared of.


Actually that's false a lot of people who buy into cults and conspiracy theories tend to be really smart people, IQ-wise. Except most of those who post on Fark, those are usually the bottom of the barrel.
 
2013-05-01 08:46:05 AM  
The 9/11 Tragedy - All Explained by Government Facts

You "TRUTHERS" need to hang your head in shame! HOW could there have been a conspiracy involving 9/11? So what two airplanes took out 3 buildings? So what about the "magic passport"? Here's the TRUTH according to our government and media, all laid out and only 5 minutes long.
 
2013-05-01 08:46:06 AM  

OscarTamerz: [assassinationof3u5.weebly.com image 319x319]
Because not believing this bullet went through 2 people and shattered one of their femurs is completely irrational and finding it extraordinarily suspicious that Governor Connally's widow refused to allow another bullet to be removed from his body after his death is even more suspicious because looking for scientific evidence is rejection of science.


Back and to the left. Back and to the left.
 
2013-05-01 08:46:22 AM  

Barnstormer: When I was taking college physics I used to assume that one or more of the equations or explanations of nuclear fission were intentionally incorrect so that students wouldn't figure out how to make a bomb.


All the physics are there except how to connect the two components rapidly enough.

If they come in contact too soon bad.

If not quick enough the same.
 
2013-05-01 08:46:46 AM  
Your handlers have trained you well subby, they have trained you well..
 
2013-05-01 08:47:58 AM  
img54.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-01 08:47:59 AM  
www.slate.com
 
2013-05-01 08:48:04 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: AverageAmericanGuy: Denigrate and alienate people who question the official story. Discount their opinions and questions and squelch dissent. Openly mock anyone who deviates from the proper groupthink. Do not give them any quarter. Make them embarrassed to ask any questions.

It's up to all of us to stop the spread of lies against the State.

Whenever I hear this sort of thing, it doesn't make me want to expose the conspiracy, it makes me want to join the conspirators. Probably there's something wrong with me.


Well, yeah. The original poster makes conspiracy theorists out to be noble people who are just questioning authority. That's why he/she refers to conspiracy theorists as people who are just "questioning the official story," and, instead of being called on their bullshiat, they are being "denigrate[d]" and "alienate[d]." For goodness sake, who wants to "squelch" dissent? Looked at this way, the anti-vaxer is some sort of hero instead of the as swipe who is responsible for the return of whooping cough and measle epidemics.
 
2013-05-01 08:49:03 AM  

untaken_name: Tatsuma: untaken_name: You're just jealous.

/it's a conspiracy

Yeah, because if I had been there, I would have turned to him after this and said

'Oh, we know about that. We're watching you, Mr. Jones. You might want to avoid [subject relevant at the time]' then walked out.

THAT would have been a CSB moment.

Sure you would have. You're the guy who calls someone back two days later when you think up the put down you couldn't think of on the spot.


Well, the Jerk Store called, and they're running out of you!
 
2013-05-01 08:50:53 AM  
Paging the Hardly Boys...
 
2013-05-01 08:52:21 AM  

neversubmit: 100,000 CONSPIRATORS WORKING IN 3 SECRET CITIES!

[www.tomatobubble.com image 300x295]


Umm, that's not a conspiracy.
 
2013-05-01 08:53:09 AM  

MileHigh: Well, the Jerk Store called, and they're running out of you!


Yep, sounds like merely saying that meeting Alex Jones was not a cool story and he should have messed with his mind really irritated him.
 
2013-05-01 08:53:59 AM  

Tatsuma: legion_of_doo: so much of American politics life is emotional, belief based...


Dude I'd give you fact's and such but I'm on the phone right now.
/Thankfully you've never done that ; )
 
2013-05-01 08:54:16 AM  
http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/02/28/the-9-most-shocking-conspi racy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.htm">http://www.sixwise.com/ newsletters/07/02/28/the-9-most-shocking-conspi racy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.htm

the 9 most shocking
 
2013-05-01 08:54:28 AM  
9/11 was a conspiracy, that is a fact.  The real question is who all was conspiring and for what benefit/goal?  Was it 19 hijackers under the command of a former CIA asset to try and drive the US military out of Muslim Land, but instead lead to the invasion of multiple countries?  Or was it a global cabal of war profiteers who had previously outlined a way to invade the countries (All of which were not part of their central banking cartel/fraud) that have now been invaded, to set up a Project for a New American Century of warfare to try and monopolize all of the worlds natural resources in the hands of a few unelected elite.
 
2013-05-01 08:54:54 AM  

neversubmit: 100,000 CONSPIRATORS WORKING IN 3 SECRET CITIES!

[www.tomatobubble.com image 300x295]


It's true none of that happened, no really ; )
 
2013-05-01 08:56:45 AM  
My boss has asked me to remind you that there are never any conspiracies. Ever. None.
 
2013-05-01 08:58:23 AM  

flynn80: 9/11 was a conspiracy, that is a fact.  The real question is who all was conspiring and for what benefit/goal?  Was it 19 hijackers under the command of a former CIA asset to try and drive the US military out of Muslim Land, but instead lead to the invasion of multiple countries?  Or was it a global cabal of war profiteers who had previously outlined a way to invade the countries (All of which were not part of their central banking cartel/fraud) that have now been invaded, to set up a Project for a New American Century of warfare to try and monopolize all of the worlds natural resources in the hands of a few unelected elite.


Careful there, car wrecks happen all the time : )
 
2013-05-01 09:01:33 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: My boss has asked me to remind you that there are never any conspiracies. Ever. None.


You're boss is a smart American patriot and I agree 100%.

All conspiracies are loonacy, which means they must come from the moon. We need too go back ; )
 
2013-05-01 09:02:27 AM  
A "conspiracy theory" is the battle cry of one who simply does not have enough data to reach a conclusion.
 
2013-05-01 09:02:41 AM  
There's something kind of optimistic about conspiracy theorists. They assume that humans are far more capable and far more likely to keep secrets than actual experience with humans supports.
 
2013-05-01 09:03:19 AM  

untaken_name: I met that blowhard in a rental car place in the late 1990s, when he was still local to Austin. He told me he was renting a car because "government thugs" shot his truck all up. With him in it. Without hitting him at all. Totaled his truck tho. Then he gave me some passes to Bad Boys strip club.

/CSB


It's on the internet so it must be true.
 
2013-05-01 09:03:19 AM  

Tatsuma: God Is My Co-Pirate: Whenever I hear this sort of thing, it doesn't make me want to expose the conspiracy, it makes me want to join the conspirators. Probably there's something wrong with me.

I'm right there with ya.

It also makes me want to give the people who wrote that shiat swirlies and atomic wedgies, too.


Right?  "Oh no, there's this group of reclusive billionaires who are putting mind control drugs in chemtrails and anyone who disgrees with them just vanishes!"  Sweet, where do I sign up?
 
2013-05-01 09:06:19 AM  

roddack: Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching me

A broad number of conspiracy theories always struck me as being nothing more than a coping mechanism people would utilize after a tragic event. By associating the event as part of an even larger and more sinister plot conducted by some organization/cabal/alien/whatever it allows the person to create a theoretical target that can be stopped. This allows people to generate an illusion of possessing some degree of control over such situation instead of feeling completely helpless.


And now we know Matt Drudge's fark handle.
 
2013-05-01 09:06:34 AM  

August11: I'm starting to think irrationality is tactic that actually keeps a large number of our species safe.


Actually, it kind of is. Just as our brains fill in missing data like what you "see" in your eye's physical blind spot, our brains also leap to conclusions about the perceived threat of something, or benevolence of something, thanks to wiring left over from when life-or-death decisions had to be made instinctively, and when we had to make sense of the world or get killed. Our brains are constantly "helping" us by making shiat up. Kind of like seeing a face in this -_- but not this _-_. Our brain is wired for facial recognition (a useful cognitive shortcut) so we see Jesus in bathroom stains and toast.

Also, being constantly aware of one's miniscule and brief existence in the midst of a vast, cold and chaotic void is kind of disconcerting. Our brains are there to help us by glomming on to whatever explanation will make one feel not only comfortable but certain in the midst of uncertainty. There's also a power in being certain where others are not. "I WANT TO BELIEVE" indeed.
 
2013-05-01 09:07:51 AM  
I have a serious question about Moon Landing deniers, and I guess this is as good a place as any to ask it: Why?

I mean, I get that all the theorists can agree that it was fake, but is there a generally accepted theory as to why anyone bothered?

Because the technology to reach the moon did exist in 1969. It absolutely did. It arguably existed in 1962 when Kennedy said we were going. Conspiracy or no, you really can't debate the state of rocket technology in the 60s, it's pretty well documented what we were capable of.

So why, in the minds of the theorists, not go for real? Why stage the elaborate hoax instead? Aliens? Budget problems? Secret Nazi moonbase?
 
2013-05-01 09:08:24 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Right? "Oh no, there's this group of reclusive billionaires who are putting mind control drugs in chemtrails and anyone who disgrees with them just vanishes!" Sweet, where do I sign up?


That's what i never got about anti-semitism.

'The Jews are an all-powerful force that control governments and makes all of the money!... so let's kill them' instead of, you know, converting and joining in the wealth and control
 
2013-05-01 09:09:11 AM  

Tatsuma: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]
9/11 never happened guys

/the first one, really? for shame thread


This made me lol.  I can't remember the particulars of this 'experiment', other than it was the most laughable attempt at testing anything I can remember.  I wonder what it would be like to try and have a conversation with the guy that did this.
 
2013-05-01 09:09:17 AM  

Wade_Wilson: I have a serious question about Moon Landing deniers, and I guess this is as good a place as any to ask it: Why?

I mean, I get that all the theorists can agree that it was fake, but is there a generally accepted theory as to why anyone bothered?


1) the most rational one, to stick it to the Russians
2) lizard-people
3) world's a snowglobe
 
2013-05-01 09:10:04 AM  

You Are All Sheep: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]

Is that really WTC7 in the background?


Yep. 5 minutes later it was pulled.
 
2013-05-01 09:12:44 AM  

Source4leko: This made me lol. I can't remember the particulars of this 'experiment', other than it was the most laughable attempt at testing anything I can remember. I wonder what it would be like to try and have a conversation with the guy that did this.


Enjoy
 
2013-05-01 09:13:59 AM  

Tatsuma: Wade_Wilson: I have a serious question about Moon Landing deniers, and I guess this is as good a place as any to ask it: Why?

I mean, I get that all the theorists can agree that it was fake, but is there a generally accepted theory as to why anyone bothered?

1) the most rational one, to stick it to the Russians


That's my point; know what would really stick it to the Russians? going to the moon for real. What advantages did faking it have over really going, when we could.
 
2013-05-01 09:14:05 AM  

Deep Contact: Yep. 5 minutes later it was pulled.


Yeah, one news channel misunderstood 'We think that WTC7 is about to collapse' as 'it collapsed'. If only something could explain why they wouldn't have accurate info in such a chaos-free environment.
 
2013-05-01 09:14:42 AM  

Wade_Wilson: That's my point; know what would really stick it to the Russians? going to the moon for real. What advantages did faking it have over really going, when we could.


Hey, I ain't one of those people, so I can't really do more than just point it out
 
2013-05-01 09:15:12 AM  

Tatsuma: God Is My Co-Pirate: Right? "Oh no, there's this group of reclusive billionaires who are putting mind control drugs in chemtrails and anyone who disgrees with them just vanishes!" Sweet, where do I sign up?

That's what i never got about anti-semitism.

'The Jews are an all-powerful force that control governments and makes all of the money!... so let's kill them' instead of, you know, converting and joining in the wealth and control


I suspect the continuation of that thought was traditionally "...and it must be true because I owe the Jewish guy down the street some money and I don't want to pay it back."
 
2013-05-01 09:15:54 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Tatsuma: legion_of_doo: so much of American politics life is emotional, belief based...

Dude I'd give you fact's and such but I'm on the phone right now.
/Thankfully you've never done that ; )


Fact: Phone is a device to keep you from the truth.
 
2013-05-01 09:16:42 AM  

Tatsuma: Wade_Wilson: That's my point; know what would really stick it to the Russians? going to the moon for real. What advantages did faking it have over really going, when we could.

Hey, I ain't one of those people, so I can't really do more than just point it out


No, the correct answer was to transfer a bunch of money to the Jews that owned the studio where the landings were staged.

I'm not surprised you wouldn't come out with that though.  You've probably still got some savings bonds from it.
 
2013-05-01 09:16:58 AM  

Tatsuma: Wade_Wilson: That's my point; know what would really stick it to the Russians? going to the moon for real. What advantages did faking it have over really going, when we could.

Hey, I ain't one of those people, so I can't really do more than just point it out


Maybe psychological warfare? Hey, I'm just guessing.
 
2013-05-01 09:18:16 AM  

Source4leko: Tatsuma: [i.imgur.com image 640x480]
9/11 never happened guys

/the first one, really? for shame thread

This made me lol.  I can't remember the particulars of this 'experiment', other than it was the most laughable attempt at testing anything I can remember.  I wonder what it would be like to try and have a conversation with the guy that did this.


Infuriating for me.  Some kinds of idiocy I just can't tolerate.  Willful, bull headed ignorance is the worst.
 
2013-05-01 09:18:21 AM  
I see they've gotten to you all, already.  No one is safe now!

cf.geekdo-images.com
 
2013-05-01 09:19:59 AM  

Tatsuma: Deep Contact: Yep. 5 minutes later it was pulled.

Yeah, one news channel misunderstood 'We think that WTC7 is about to collapse' as 'it collapsed'. If only something could explain why they wouldn't have accurate info in such a chaos-free environment.


Because if the Boston bombing taught us anything it's that news organizations always have completely up to date information during a crisis.  They would never report something that was untrue.  What I really wonder is how many other things were wrongly reported that morning, but we don't ever hear about them anymore simply because they were wrong and never became right, so everyone forgot about them.  It seems far more likely that CNN reported something entirely wrong, then it happened to come true 5 minutes later rather than they read their CIA script about what to report when wrong or something.

/my dad buys into EVERY conspiracy theory
// except for the lizard people, that's where even he draws the line
 
2013-05-01 09:20:11 AM  
the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.
 
2013-05-01 09:20:38 AM  

Tatsuma: .Abox: The dumber you are, the more you're likely to believe there's people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception in the name of things you're scared of.

Actually that's false a lot of people who buy into cults and conspiracy theories tend to be really smart people, IQ-wise. Except most of those who post on Fark, those are usually the bottom of the barrel.



A number on a page doesn't make you smart.
 
2013-05-01 09:21:31 AM  
In the 50's Art Linkletter had a program called People are Funny.

Go with it.
 
2013-05-01 09:21:33 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I suspect the continuation of that thought was traditionally "...and it must be true because I owe the Jewish guy down the street some money and I don't want to pay it back."


Nevermind the fact that they money they borrowed wasn't ours but usually either the king's, the lord's or the church's money.

Oh and when those would borrow from us, when it was time to pay they'd usually just kick us out instead (at best) or have us all killed (at... well kind of always)
 
2013-05-01 09:24:23 AM  
Fact: Global warming has gone since the internet. Think about that next time you send a text message.
 
2013-05-01 09:25:24 AM  

muck4doo: Fact: Global warming has gone up since the internet. Think about that next time you send a text message.


FTFM
 
2013-05-01 09:26:49 AM  

muck4doo: Fact: Global warming has gone since the internet. Think about that next time you send a text message.


muck4doo: muck4doo: Fact: Global warming has gone up since the internet. Think about that next time you send a text message.

FTFM


by repeating yourself you increased global warming even more you monster
 
2013-05-01 09:28:49 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.
 
2013-05-01 09:28:54 AM  

muck4doo: tinfoil-hat maggie: Tatsuma: legion_of_doo: so much of American politics life is emotional, belief based...

Dude I'd give you fact's and such but I'm on the phone right now.
/Thankfully you've never done that ; )

Fact: Phone is a device to keep you from the truth.


Don't try and make me actually like you ; )
/Truthfully I have no idea whats going on and I probably want remember all this when I wake up some what sober ; )
 
2013-05-01 09:29:03 AM  

Tatsuma: notto: When your opinions require the need for thousands of fellow citizens to keep the secret without any real motivation to do so

The same government who couldn't keep Bill Clinton's blowjob a secret was able 3 years later to pull off 9/11 without a hitch


Yes, the Bush administration, which couldn't fire 8 lawyers whom THEY HAD HIRED without causing a farking scandal, were somehow able to pull off 9/11.  This is one of the many reasons 9/11 wasn't an inside job.
 
2013-05-01 09:29:21 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Facetious_Speciest: Meh. Conspiracy theories are crazy until they're not. It was a "conspiracy theory" that the American government purposefully turned a blind eye to the plight of Jewish refugees in WWII...until some guys from the Treasury Department essentially blackmailed the State Department and Roosevelt with threats of going public. Then it got serious.

Instead of the thousands of other examples, I went straight for the Holocaust. Lazy, I know, but it's early.

Continue on with whatever your reptilian overlords from the Hollow Earth want you to think, though. You won't be so smug when the real bin Laden returns from Atlantis with the Spear of Longinus in his wet, tentacled grasp.

Some crazies were claiming that the US government was running fake vaccination programs in Pakistan to find Bin Laden.

LOL. What a bunch of loons.


Those were real vaccinations, but we weren't doing that to find Bin Laden.  We were doing that to create a generation of autistic kids that could serve as cheap foreign coders in 20 years when outsourcing to India becomes slightly less cost-effective.
 
2013-05-01 09:29:35 AM  

Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.


: )
/LOL
 
2013-05-01 09:32:03 AM  

Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.


(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
 
2013-05-01 09:32:17 AM  
UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ATTACK: Was it an inside job?

1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?

2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station's large fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who, and why?

3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?

4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?

5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn't?

6) How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to fame was his ability to "bullseye womprats" on Tatooine? This shot, according to one pilot, would be "impossible, even for a computer." Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. Why have these discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?

7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be Lord Vader's son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader's teacher many years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to be coincidences?

8) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?


9) And where was Emperor Palpatine during all of this?  He spend 5 full minutes continuing to read "My Pet Bantha" to a classroom of young Sith after hearing the news!
 
2013-05-01 09:37:20 AM  

Tatsuma: God Is My Co-Pirate: I suspect the continuation of that thought was traditionally "...and it must be true because I owe the Jewish guy down the street some money and I don't want to pay it back."

Nevermind the fact that they money they borrowed wasn't ours but usually either the king's, the lord's or the church's money.

Oh and when those would borrow from us, when it was time to pay they'd usually just kick us out instead (at best) or have us all killed (at... well kind of always)


There's a family story that we had Jewish ancestors who were merchant traders in London in the 1600s, and the king confiscated a cargo ship of ours. My uncle was doing a bit of research to see if we could still file a claim with the Crown. The lack of any proof whatsoever seems to negate it, but it's a good story.
 
2013-05-01 09:38:32 AM  

muck4doo: Fact: Global Warming started about the same time U.F.O's started showing up. Coincidence? I think not.
Fact: They are changing our climate and atmosphere to match theirs.


That's actually a good one. I like that.

/It's rubbish of course, but it sounds good.
 
2013-05-01 09:39:41 AM  

theknuckler_33: Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)


I have no idea what that means but it's impressive : )
 
2013-05-01 09:40:23 AM  

Mose: Jews


===============

The day after 9-11. I stopped at the local market,  There was an older man talking on  a pay phone.  He was loud and obviously agitated,   As I passed him I could hear,  " What do you think it's about?  It's the Jews!"
 
2013-05-01 09:43:08 AM  

Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious


Oh man,

Shut up Please.
 
2013-05-01 09:49:50 AM  
I'm kind of disappointed in this thread. The only real interesting story I found here was that the CIA made the 1954 film Animal Farm, and changed the ending.
 
2013-05-01 09:56:11 AM  
Are "conspiracy theorists" irrational and have a difficulty coping with reality?
The same could be said about people who feel hatred for conspiracy theories, who only pay attention to the lowest common denominator while believing they are seriously trying to get to the bottom of an issue, and rejoice in mocking all dissenting views that they believe is distorting their reality.
/empathy... some of you lack it.
 
2013-05-01 09:56:27 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: theknuckler_33: Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)

I have no idea what that means but it's impressive : )


table-flip
 
2013-05-01 09:57:35 AM  

MacWizard: I'm kind of disappointed in this thread. The only real interesting story I found here was that the CIA made the 1954 film Animal Farm, and changed the ending.


Ever hear the CIA helped in Readers Digest? Nope not a clue if it was true. What did you expect other than people coming in and screaming about Truefers? Me I'll just settle back and do some good ole American heroin, shipped from the new Golden Triangle.

/All of this is a lie.
 
2013-05-01 09:58:16 AM  

legion_of_doo: Abox: The dumber you are, the more you're likely to believe there's people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception in the name of things you're scared of.

that's the trick with 9/11 conspiracy... you'd have to work around Dumbya.


Of course, you do realize that whatever anyone believes, there will be "people capable of pulling off infinitely intricate and unlikely acts of deception "
 
2013-05-01 09:59:51 AM  

theknuckler_33: tinfoil-hat maggie: theknuckler_33: Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)

I have no idea what that means but it's impressive : )

table-flip


Alright so did I make you angry?
 
2013-05-01 10:00:44 AM  
As a troofer and agnostic (I think that demolitions are what brought down WTC 1, 2 and 7...don't have any idea by who) I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-05-01 10:03:15 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: AverageAmericanGuy: Denigrate and alienate people who question the official story. Discount their opinions and questions and squelch dissent. Openly mock anyone who deviates from the proper groupthink. Do not give them any quarter. Make them embarrassed to ask any questions.

It's up to all of us to stop the spread of lies against the State.

Whenever I hear this sort of thing, it doesn't make me want to expose the conspiracy, it makes me want to join the conspirators. Probably there's something wrong with me.


There used to be a Msc degree in environmental econs at the best political science school here in France called "Sustainable development and world governance". Part of me wanted to apply! *Evil laugh*
 
2013-05-01 10:04:25 AM  

Lady Indica: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

Yeah but its amazing the number of people who aren't obvious loonies, but hold a conspiracy belief. They just don't make it their hobby like those folks, so they're not always going on about it. I'm sure you can easily think of one or two people who are seeming rational and sane people...but who really think 9/11 was an inside job. Or that the jews secretly control the world. Or that fluoride in the water is dangerous, drug companies withhold cures to (HIV, cancer, etc) for profits...

Not every nutjob wears the tin foil hat in public


Oh yeah, that's another "conspiracy" I believe in.  I don't think drug companies intentionally withhold cures for HIV, diabetes, cancer, etc.  I'm sure if they had cures that there would be enough people with scruples to release it to the public.  But I have heard that there's hardly any money going into researching cures for these major diseases, and most of the money is going towards research on treating the symptoms of these diseases.  And to me it makes sense, there's no money in curing someone of a disease (like diabetes) but if you can get them coming back to you for the rest of their lives to treat the symptoms, then you're going to make (obviously) a hell of a lot more money.
 
2013-05-01 10:12:45 AM  

Katolu: Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious

You forgot 0bummer and Hitler.


Hitler is a religion.
 
2013-05-01 10:15:29 AM  

FatherDale: In before the lizard people.


Lizard-like typing detected.
 
2013-05-01 10:16:13 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Lady Indica: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

Yeah but its amazing the number of people who aren't obvious loonies, but hold a conspiracy belief. They just don't make it their hobby like those folks, so they're not always going on about it. I'm sure you can easily think of one or two people who are seeming rational and sane people...but who really think 9/11 was an inside job. Or that the jews secretly control the world. Or that fluoride in the water is dangerous, drug companies withhold cures to (HIV, cancer, etc) for profits...

Not every nutjob wears the tin foil hat in public

Oh yeah, that's another "conspiracy" I believe in.  I don't think drug companies intentionally withhold cures for HIV, diabetes, cancer, etc.  I'm sure if they had cures that there would be enough people with scruples to release it to the public.  But I have heard that there's hardly any money going into researching cures for these major diseases, and most of the money is going towards research on treating the symptoms of these diseases.  And to me it makes sense, there's no money in curing someone of a disease (like diabetes) but if you can get them coming back to you for the rest of their lives to treat the symptoms, then you're going to make (obviously) a hell of a lot more money.


Think about it this way...if you have a sick patient, what is the first thing you want to do? You want to stabilize them. Once they're not bleeding out, you've ascertained they are breathing okay and heart rate and BP are all within relatively safe ranges, THEN you worry about other things.

I have a rare disease (in remission, but rare enough to be identifying so I won't). When I first got sick there was no research at all being done for my illness. Not enough of us with it, and it is not fatal (thank goodness) it just really farking sucks to have and is very painful. (I'm better now, no need to be sad). Research only started b/c someone with the disease had parents who were able to really get the ball rolling. Even so, what their foundation can do is pretty minimal due to funding and again...not a farkload of us. The medication which only helps deal with the symptoms enough to keep you going...has been used for this disease for over 100 years. And it farking sucks. Many of us have problems with side effects and health problems due to the meds (probably based on risk factors and how many of us develop these problems).

But while we all would still love a cure, until one is found you have to get by as best you can. People who are sick find their illnesses generally limit their lives. MS patients want a cure...but until there is one, they're very vested in medications and therapies that can help improve their quality of life.

Sorry I've been up all night and I'm a wee bit high, so I hope that makes sense. There's more money in treatments because of the demand and need for it. Diabetics have had their lives improved tremendously by such advances. They still absolutely want a cure though. And lots and lots of money goes to that research, as well as cancer, AIDS, and many others.
 
2013-05-01 10:16:26 AM  
So basically what I'm being told is that believers of conspiracy theories are on the same level as religious zealots?

/I believe that
/if I believe any speculation or faith before knowledge, certify me insane
 
2013-05-01 10:16:38 AM  

Tatsuma: notto: When your opinions require the need for thousands of fellow citizens to keep the secret without any real motivation to do so

The same government who couldn't keep Bill Clinton's blowjob a secret was able 3 years later to pull off 9/11 without a hitch


Linda Tripp exposed the blowey, it had nothing to do with "the government not able to keep a secret".  I'm not suggesting any part of the government was involved in 9/11, but do you think someone would approach Linda Tripp and ask her to plant bombs in WTC buildings?  You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret? 

I fail to see how they're even remotely comparable...try playing devil's advocate for once, it will greatly help your ability to see what is possible and what is not.
 
2013-05-01 10:17:57 AM  

Wade_Wilson: I have a serious question about Moon Landing deniers, and I guess this is as good a place as any to ask it: Why?


One thing conspiracy theorists don't like to talk about is how inconsistent their theories are. So all of your suggestions about why the moon landing was faked are out there believed by someone. They contradict other moon landing conspiracies theories but that tends to be ignored. That happens all the time and it's why you can and should dismiss conspiracy theorists.

It's also why all of these "but there really were conspiracies!" posts are still off the mark. Yes, there have been conspiracies in history but those conspiracies have pretty much never been discovered by the internet research of weird loners. So, for example, the CIA really did experiment on people with LSD and try to cover it up. Conspiracy theorists had an idea like that but on the specifics of who, what, where, and why they were totally off. Some had one part right, that it was the CIA, but they thought it was mind control. Some thought it was a hypnosis program or done by space aliens and so on. As a whole the conspiracy theorists were about as accurate as random guessing or all of the idea floated by fiction writers. The actual conspiracy was uncovered by a government investigation.
 
2013-05-01 10:18:25 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: [www.slate.com image 850x669]


Don't mock him.  He knows about the secret bee overlords.
 
2013-05-01 10:23:50 AM  

CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?


Nope. Absolutely not. And engaging in some critical thinking will help you easily see why. I would suggest starting by researching how one blows up a building. There's plenty of building demo make things go boom science-y sites out there. Look at the materials involved. Look at the plans needed. The calculations that have to be made. The expertise and precision, and exactly how much explosive is used/needed and all the locations that they MUST be placed in for successful demolish on that scale.

Then think...you know...really think...about how many people that would involve. Let alone how many witnesses to the various acts necessary. Then, most of these people involved? They're farking someone. And they are probably telling that person they're farking some information (a little, or a lot) that they shouldn't be. Then that leads to the abundance of evidence that is created along the way. So it's not some lone kook who swears by the aliens watching him that he saw two men in black in a bar in Hoboken talking about blowing up them there buildings a week before 9/11.
 
2013-05-01 10:25:59 AM  

CrazyCracka420: As a troofer and agnostic (I think that demolitions are what brought down WTC 1, 2 and 7...don't have any idea by who) I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


Same.
 
2013-05-01 10:30:24 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: What did you expect other than people coming in and screaming about Truefers?


I actually find some conspiracy theories quite entertaining. I like the ones that hover right at the edge of being believable. Even better are the occasional bizarre true facts that the government kept secret for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army
 
2013-05-01 10:31:03 AM  

odinsposse: Wade_Wilson: I have a serious question about Moon Landing deniers, and I guess this is as good a place as any to ask it: Why?

One thing conspiracy theorists don't like to talk about is how inconsistent their theories are. So all of your suggestions about why the moon landing was faked are out there believed by someone. They contradict other moon landing conspiracies theories but that tends to be ignored. That happens all the time and it's why you can and should dismiss conspiracy theorists.

It's also why all of these "but there really were conspiracies!" posts are still off the mark. Yes, there have been conspiracies in history but those conspiracies have pretty much never been discovered by the internet research of weird loners. So, for example, the CIA really did experiment on people with LSD and try to cover it up. Conspiracy theorists had an idea like that but on the specifics of who, what, where, and why they were totally off. Some had one part right, that it was the CIA, but they thought it was mind control. Some thought it was a hypnosis program or done by space aliens and so on. As a whole the conspiracy theorists were about as accurate as random guessing or all of the idea floated by fiction writers. The actual conspiracy was uncovered by a government investigation.


Ya, might wanna be more careful with that crazy talk. As I said there are no conspiracies.
/It's all crazy people.
//No really.
/// I mean how could anyone keep secrets?
 
2013-05-01 10:35:35 AM  

MacWizard: tinfoil-hat maggie: What did you expect other than people coming in and screaming about Truefers?

I actually find some conspiracy theories quite entertaining. I like the ones that hover right at the edge of being believable. Even better are the occasional bizarre true facts that the government kept secret for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army


Yea, you find what the OSS did cute, that's nice, I hope hope you have a nice condo and a good retirement plan.What you're all American. Enjoy ; )
 
2013-05-01 10:36:55 AM  

ciberido: Katolu: Aar1012: In before an atheist's post about religion

/We get it. You don't believe in God
//Not religious

You forgot 0bummer and Hitler.

Hitler is a religion.


Interesting, hmmm?
 
2013-05-01 10:38:12 AM  

Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.



A 14-year old in an AOL chat room would still be a step up from most Farkers.
www.themagazine.ca
Does someone need a hug?
 
2013-05-01 10:41:32 AM  

No Time To Explain: So basically what I'm being told is that believers of conspiracy theories are on the same level as religious zealots?

/I believe that
/if I believe any speculation or faith before knowledge, certify me insane


Anytime someone has the ANSWER before the QUESTION has been asked, you know they are selling you BS.

I've read the conspiracy theories, since they are wildly entertaining (especially David Ike's).  The one similarity that can be drawn between them and religious zealots is that BOTH believe in an ALL POWERFUL unknowable entity that controls their world.  The religious zealots call it G-d, the conspiracy theorists call it ZOG (zionist owned government) or Illuminati.

What really stuck out in the article for me was that people who believe in conspiracy theories are looking for control/order to their unpredictable world.
 
2013-05-01 10:42:13 AM  

ciberido: Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.


A 14-year old in an AOL chat room would still be a step up from most Farkers.
[www.themagazine.ca image 475x275]
Does someone need a hug?


I need a hug.
/Well it's a bit more complected than that but, well ; )
 
2013-05-01 10:42:58 AM  
It's not the cover-ups that bothers me, it's the idea that there are organized people that decide to do these things with their life in the first place.  And beyond that, they are motivated enough to take note of the possible negative perception of their actions and take measures to hide their activities.  If you have enough talent and intelligence to be able to carry out the various operations prescribed conspiracy theories, why live a life a secrecy?  If what you're doing is advancing an agenda, how important can that agenda be if no one knows about it?
I've always wondered how the "They" actually gets populated.  Is it all inbreeding and nepotism? Do they recruit you with some super secret society method?  If there are people pulling off these events, those people had to have been born, grown up, etc. in what you would think to be a normal life.   How do you get from the layman's side to the secret side?  I just want to know because I'd like to be a member.
 
2013-05-01 10:44:49 AM  
Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?
 
2013-05-01 10:44:51 AM  

bindlestiff2600: http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/02/28/the-9-most-shocking-consp i racy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.htm">http://www.sixwise.com/ newsletters/07/02/28/the-9-most-shocking-conspi racy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.htm

the 9 most shocking


Most of those were coverups originally exposed by journalists, not really the definition of a "conspiracy theory"
And 2?
The Mafia: This secret crime society was virtually unknown until the 1960s, when member Joe Valachi first revealed the society's secrets to law enforcement officials.
They might not have had the public notoriety but to suggest the Mafia was "unknown" by the government, press and public is rubbish.
 
2013-05-01 10:47:16 AM  

CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?


There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.
 
2013-05-01 10:49:05 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.


A 14-year old in an AOL chat room would still be a step up from most Farkers.
[www.themagazine.ca image 475x275]
Does someone need a hug?

I need a hug.
/Well it's a bit more complected than that but, well ; )


There there. It's not so bad. I'd give you a hug but... well... that's probably what they want me to do. Wait, you're not one of them are you?
 
2013-05-01 10:57:11 AM  

Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.


How many then, 4? 5?  To me, it's certainly conceivable that however many people it would take to do such a task, would be capable of keeping the secret.  And I don't think it would be hard to go unnoticed either, they would be dressed as construction or maintenance workers.  I read reports of construction going on, on floors that were unoccupied leading up to 9/11.  I thought I even read somewhere that some floors of the building that were occupied, were "closed" on a weekend prior to 9/11 due to some sort of maintenance.

No I don't think it would be hard at all to blend in, or keep the secret between the limited amount of people needed to carry out such an act.

I don't see how anyone can think it would be that inconceivable.  You don't have to believe demolitions brought down WTC 1, 2 or 7 to be able to see that it's certainly possible that it could have been carried out.
 
2013-05-01 10:57:19 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: MacWizard: tinfoil-hat maggie: What did you expect other than people coming in and screaming about Truefers?

I actually find some conspiracy theories quite entertaining. I like the ones that hover right at the edge of being believable. Even better are the occasional bizarre true facts that the government kept secret for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army

Yea, you find what the OSS did cute, that's nice, I hope hope you have a nice condo and a good retirement plan.What you're all American. Enjoy ; )


I thought it was rather ingenious and was kind of amazed they were able to keep it a secret until 1999.

No condo. No retirement plan. Not All-American either. Both of my parents' families came from foreign countries (Germany and West Virginia). And not sure what I did to piss you off.
 
2013-05-01 10:57:41 AM  

SuperChuck: tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.


A 14-year old in an AOL chat room would still be a step up from most Farkers.
[www.themagazine.ca image 475x275]
Does someone need a hug?

I need a hug.
/Well it's a bit more complected than that but, well ; )

There there. It's not so bad. I'd give you a hug but... well... that's probably what they want me to do. Wait, you're not one of them are you?


I probably am and don't even know it, so sad and here all I can think about is ciberido biatch slapping someone for me : ) What?
/Why does she have have to live far away and be so mysterious.
 
2013-05-01 10:58:28 AM  

Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.


Plus the risk of them being discovered, the risk of the explosives being discovered, the risk of them not going off and then being discovered, the risk of them going off too early and the risk of evidence being left being discovered. For what?

If you really want to make people think two planes flew into two buildings why not just fly two planes into the buildings? What difference did the towers falling or not falling make? It was already the worlds most famous terrorist attack even before they fell.
 
2013-05-01 10:59:14 AM  
Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?
 
2013-05-01 11:03:11 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.

How many then, 4? 5?  To me, it's certainly conceivable that however many people it would take to do such a task, would be capable of keeping the secret.  And I don't think it would be hard to go unnoticed either, they would be dressed as construction or maintenance workers.  I read reports of construction going on, on floors that were unoccupied leading up to 9/11.  I thought I even read somewhere that some floors of the building that were occupied, were "closed" on a weekend prior to 9/11 due to some sort of maintenance.

No I don't think it would be hard at all to blend in, or keep the secret between the limited amount of people needed to carry out such an act.

I don't see how anyone can think it would be that inconceivable.  You don't have to believe demolitions brought down WTC 1, 2 or 7 to be able to see that it's certainly possible that it could have been carried out.


All controlled demolitions have hundreds of explosives in hundreds of locations, for a building anywhere near that size, all linked by  detonating cord stretching across the whole building. And each site has to be drilled, which would be very noisy.

And mistakes do happen. Charges fail to go off. The building on half falls etc.
The risk of discovery is huge and would leave no room for deniability.

Why wouldn't they just fly two planes into the building?
 
2013-05-01 11:03:55 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.

Plus the risk of them being discovered, the risk of the explosives being discovered, the risk of them not going off and then being discovered, the risk of them going off too early and the risk of evidence being left being discovered. For what?

If you really want to make people think two planes flew into two buildings why not just fly two planes into the buildings? What difference did the towers falling or not falling make? It was already the worlds most famous terrorist attack even before they fell.


Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here.  Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it.  I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it.  That is all.  If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.
 
2013-05-01 11:05:06 AM  
Flint, I remember reading reports about loud construction going on reported by people who worked in the WTC buildings, leading up to 9/11.  Again, just because it's unlikely, doesn't mean that it wasn't possible.
 
2013-05-01 11:07:11 AM  

MacWizard: tinfoil-hat maggie: MacWizard: tinfoil-hat maggie: What did you expect other than people coming in and screaming about Truefers?

I actually find some conspiracy theories quite entertaining. I like the ones that hover right at the edge of being believable. Even better are the occasional bizarre true facts that the government kept secret for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Army

Yea, you find what the OSS did cute, that's nice, I hope hope you have a nice condo and a good retirement plan.What you're all American. Enjoy ; )

I thought it was rather ingenious and was kind of amazed they were able to keep it a secret until 1999.

No condo. No retirement plan. Not All-American either. Both of my parents' families came from foreign countries (Germany and West Virginia). And not sure what I did to piss you off.


Dude you didn't "piss me off" really, I 'm just playing off things people say because I shouldn't say much.And well I've already said too much.
Now then don't go looking into the OSS and who was in it and well definitely don't look into the later years when they became the CIA, well really I mean it's all a boring read.
I just don't understand why people believe in conspiracies.
 
2013-05-01 11:09:58 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it. I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it. That is all. If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.


Yes, yes, we've heard it.  "I'm just asking questions here!"

The problem is YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS.  This shiat has been debunked, in this very thread already, and you continue.  Nothing is going to convince you.

It isn't a "closed mind" that doesn't allow us to think of this as a possibility, it's a logical mind that actually allows us to think through the scenario and realize the bullshiat smells like bullshiat.
 
2013-05-01 11:12:53 AM  

megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?


Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.
 
2013-05-01 11:15:40 AM  
Like God has a "Chosen People" science?
 
2013-05-01 11:16:18 AM  

Tatsuma: God Is My Co-Pirate: Right? "Oh no, there's this group of reclusive billionaires who are putting mind control drugs in chemtrails and anyone who disgrees with them just vanishes!" Sweet, where do I sign up?

That's what i never got about anti-semitism.

'The Jews are an all-powerful force that control governments and makes all of the money!... so let's kill them' instead of, you know, converting and joining in the wealth and control


no, dude, we know all about Jew gold, and how you have decoy bags of fake Jew gold to fool people who try to steal your gold.

/ two days before the day after tomorrow
 
2013-05-01 11:19:44 AM  
Why would the false flag planners need to tell the BBC beforehand that WTC7 should be reported as collapsing?

Couldn't they just blow it up and let the BBC report it naturally?

What benefit would there be from telling beforehand and raising the possibility of being discovered?

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Or the firefighters saw that the building was in danger of collapsing because it was on fire and had massive chucks of it missing from when wtc north tower collapsed. They cleared the area around wtc7 before it collapsed which is why no one was hurt when it collapsed. The BBC got wind of them clearing the area around WTC7 and made the mistake considering there are a cluster of building around there named WTC 1-7.

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Which is the more reasonable scenario?
 
2013-05-01 11:21:26 AM  

Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it. I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it. That is all. If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.

Yes, yes, we've heard it.  "I'm just asking questions here!"

The problem is YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS.  This shiat has been debunked, in this very thread already, and you continue.  Nothing is going to convince you.

It isn't a "closed mind" that doesn't allow us to think of this as a possibility, it's a logical mind that actually allows us to think through the scenario and realize the bullshiat smells like bullshiat.


Your answer was that it is not possible to rig up a building with demolitions without being noticed or kept secret, and I think that's incorrect.  Your other answer were actually questions about "why" or "is it worth the risk" to do what I was suggesting could be done.
 
2013-05-01 11:22:00 AM  
I know a guy who opposes every single mainstream theory held by the public by default. Not healthy skepticism, mind you, but belligerent opposition. He's a fun guy outside of this shiat and his Facebook posts make for some fine entertainment. Sometimes people create fantasies to make their boring lives seem more interesting and meaningful. They also like to think they're smarter than all the "sheeple".
 
2013-05-01 11:24:36 AM  

Lady Indica: Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?


the sky has no color.

we perceive blue, but we only see the residue of the chem trails sent up by the Merovingians, which refract the light from the mind control lasers.
 
2013-05-01 11:25:27 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it. I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it. That is all. If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.

Yes, yes, we've heard it.  "I'm just asking questions here!"

The problem is YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS.  This shiat has been debunked, in this very thread already, and you continue.  Nothing is going to convince you.

It isn't a "closed mind" that doesn't allow us to think of this as a possibility, it's a logical mind that actually allows us to think through the scenario and realize the bullshiat smells like bullshiat.

Your answer was that it is not possible to rig up a building with demolitions without being noticed or kept secret, and I think that's incorrect.  Your other answer were actually questions about "why" or "is it worth the risk" to do what I was suggesting could be done.


And someone else answered that it would take miles of detonation cables, hundreds of pounds of explosives, and massive amounts of deconstruction throughout the building to put the explosives in a place where they would actually demolish the building.

To suggest that one person, four or five people, or dozens of guys would not be discovered planting all of that equipment in two of the largest buildings in the world where thousands of people worked every day is nothing short of delusional.  Which is sort of the point of the article in question.
 
2013-05-01 11:26:02 AM  
The fact remains, the 9/11 commission went in looking to prove that planes and fire brought down the WTC buildings.  They didn't even look at the possibility of demolitions being used.

i14.photobucket.com

Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.
 
2013-05-01 11:28:44 AM  

legion_of_doo: Lady Indica: Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?

the sky has no color.

we perceive blue, but we only see the residue of the chem trails sent up by the Merovingians, which refract the light from the mind control lasers.


I don't think that's right. The sky is blue and the chemtrails don't have any effect on me. I can erase them with vinegar.
 
2013-05-01 11:30:53 AM  
The biggest problem with conspiracy theories is that the plans always work perfectly.  Nobody is ever caught setting up one of these events and has something go wrong so their plans are exposed.  Explosives in the WTC?  What if one of the planes never got to the towers?  Then one of the towers is sitting there full of explosives.  It's only after the fact of these events, once the "conspiracy" has succeeded, that these theories start flying around.
 
2013-05-01 11:33:02 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.


I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.
 
2013-05-01 11:36:13 AM  

socoloco: Like God has a "Chosen People" science?


O_o  ?

7/10 - short and nonsensical sentence with charged words.
Nice trolling buddy...  like a bullet of derp straight to the brain.
 
2013-05-01 11:36:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: legion_of_doo: Lady Indica: Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?

the sky has no color.

we perceive blue, but we only see the residue of the chem trails sent up by the Merovingians, which refract the light from the mind control lasers.

I don't think that's right. The sky is blue and the chemtrails don't have any effect on me. I can erase them with vinegar.


you have to watch out for a weird "U" symbol on the vinegar, though.

that means a Rabbi has put mind altering chemicals in your food product to make you believe what the mainstream media tells you.

/ you know who controls the media don't you?
Zionist illuminati, and the Merovingians!
 
2013-05-01 11:37:25 AM  

legion_of_doo: AverageAmericanGuy: legion_of_doo: Lady Indica: Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?

the sky has no color.

we perceive blue, but we only see the residue of the chem trails sent up by the Merovingians, which refract the light from the mind control lasers.

I don't think that's right. The sky is blue and the chemtrails don't have any effect on me. I can erase them with vinegar.

you have to watch out for a weird "U" symbol on the vinegar, though.

that means a Rabbi has put mind altering chemicals in your food product to make you believe what the mainstream media tells you.

/ you know who controls the media don't you?
Zionist illuminati, and the Merovingians!


Gimme a break. You think I don't know that?
 
2013-05-01 11:37:54 AM  

Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]


Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.
 
2013-05-01 11:38:59 AM  

megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.


Well, I can't disagree with that, hopefully their growing pit bulls.
/Still a lot of crazy has happened and some we know about, yea I think people like Jones are distractions. Why? It's what I would do.
/And again I've said too much.
//I'm just drunk and making stuff up now ; )
 
2013-05-01 11:39:19 AM  

megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.


why would you do that to the puppies?
 
2013-05-01 11:49:27 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The biggest problem with conspiracy theories is that the plans always work perfectly.  Nobody is ever caught setting up one of these events and has something go wrong so their plans are exposed.  Explosives in the WTC?  What if one of the planes never got to the towers?  Then one of the towers is sitting there full of explosives.  It's only after the fact of these events, once the "conspiracy" has succeeded, that these theories start flying around.


If one of the first two planes missed they still had two more planes. ;)
 
2013-05-01 11:50:15 AM  

Lady Indica: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

Yeah but its amazing the number of people who aren't obvious loonies, but hold a conspiracy belief. They just don't make it their hobby like those folks, so they're not always going on about it. I'm sure you can easily think of one or two people who are seeming rational and sane people...but who really think 9/11 was an inside job. Or that the jews secretly control the world. Or that fluoride in the water is dangerous, drug companies withhold cures to (HIV, cancer, etc) for profits...

Not every nutjob wears the tin foil hat in public


I subscribe to two conspiracy theories. The JFK assassination because the absurdity of the official story rivals the belief in the God of the bible and that Flight 93 was brought down by the passengers mostly because I think that the government would protect the white house at all costs and if there were credible intelligence that the flight were headed that way the govt would be forced to shoot down the plane in the safest place possible, like, oh, say, an empty field in PA.
 
2013-05-01 11:50:41 AM  

SuperChuck: megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.

why would you do that to the puppies?


I wouldn't.

Maybe baby cockapoos.

/cockapoo
 
2013-05-01 11:52:18 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.

Well, I can't disagree with that, hopefully their growing pit bulls.
/Still a lot of crazy has happened and some we know about, yea I think people like Jones are distractions. Why? It's what I would do.
/And again I've said too much.
//I'm just drunk and making stuff up now ; )


That makes my feel better about my day-drinking.

Cheers!

(Bloody Mary's ARE a food group.)
 
2013-05-01 11:53:36 AM  
Wow. *makes ME feel better. Yikes.
 
2013-05-01 11:54:08 AM  
The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!
 
2013-05-01 11:54:34 AM  

CrazyCracka420: The fact remains, the 9/11 commission went in looking to prove that planes and fire brought down the WTC buildings.  They didn't even look at the possibility of demolitions being used.

[i14.photobucket.com image 383x223]

Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.


Put down the bong, man, you've smoked away a dangerous amount of cognitive reasoning ability.
 
2013-05-01 11:59:00 AM  

CrazyCracka420: As a troofer and agnostic (I think that demolitions are what brought down WTC 1, 2 and 7...don't have any idea by who) I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


So please explain how these magical explosives managed to stay completely inert despite being hit by a plane and burning at jet-fuel temperatures for several hours, and only went pop when Bush pressed the button.
 
2013-05-01 12:01:27 PM  

megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.

Well, I can't disagree with that, hopefully their growing pit bulls.
/Still a lot of crazy has happened and some we know about, yea I think people like Jones are distractions. Why? It's what I would do.
/And again I've said too much.
//I'm just drunk and making stuff up now ; )

That makes my feel better about my day-drinking.

Cheers!

(Bloody Mary's ARE a food group.)


If ketchup packets are a vegetable well bloody Marys rock : )

And well since I haven't slept yet I don't fell bad ; )
 
2013-05-01 12:01:46 PM  
And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.
 
2013-05-01 12:02:13 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!


That's the other logic bomb that the conspiracy theorists can't explain. How can a government plan and execute perfectly 9/11 to justify a war when they can't, or didn't bother, faking some WMDs in Iraq to justify the official reason for the war.
Faking some WMDs would have been far easier than 9/11.
 
2013-05-01 12:06:48 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Lady Indica: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

Yeah but its amazing the number of people who aren't obvious loonies, but hold a conspiracy belief. They just don't make it their hobby like those folks, so they're not always going on about it. I'm sure you can easily think of one or two people who are seeming rational and sane people...but who really think 9/11 was an inside job. Or that the jews secretly control the world. Or that fluoride in the water is dangerous, drug companies withhold cures to (HIV, cancer, etc) for profits...

Not every nutjob wears the tin foil hat in public

Oh yeah, that's another "conspiracy" I believe in.  I don't think drug companies intentionally withhold cures for HIV, diabetes, cancer, etc.  I'm sure if they had cures that there would be enough people with scruples to release it to the public.  But I have heard that there's hardly any money going into researching cures for these major diseases, and most of the money is going towards research on treating the symptoms of these diseases.  And to me it makes sense, there's no money in curing someone of a disease (like diabetes) but if you can get them coming back to you for the rest of their lives to treat the symptoms, then you're going to make (obviously) a hell of a lot more money.


That certainly seems to make sense, doesn't it? The problem is that it only makes sense on the surface. As soon as you start to delve just a little bit into the medical field, that particular conspiracy theory falls apart. There are a couple of reasons:

1) Drug companies aren't the only ones doing research into diseases. There are thousands of public and private research universities around the world that also do that kind of research.  There's also a ton of government agencies (not just American) that also do research. In order to believe that private drug companies withhold data in order to make a profit, one would also have to believe that all those other scientists around the world are in on it. And you can trust me on this - we don't make nearly enough money to keep our mouths shut if we discovered something life saving.  This is proven time and time again. Heck, just look at how we know about the dangers of Vioxx - the scientist that Merck hired to do an independent study (Dr. Eric Topol, I believe) found it was dangerous, and when Merck tried to cover it up, he told the world.

2) If it is true that they would prefer to make more money off of symptoms rather than curing diseases, why are they selling vaccines? Small pox is gone. Completely wiped from the earth. So is rinderpest. These are two diseases that drug companies won't make money off of anymore.  Polio and guinea worm disease are almost gone. The piddly amount of money drug companies get from vaccines is nothing compared to the money they could have made treating the symptoms of victims. Same with other diseases that aren't gone yet, such as pertussis, measles, chicken pox, diphtheria, malaria, tetanus, typhoid, and more.  If their primary motivation was profit at the cost of lives, then it really doesn't make sense that a drug company would prefer to give a drug that they can only sell one or two to each patient, compared to getting all these people to take a drug daily for life. Let's do some math to prove it. In American, there are about 300 million people. If each person gets the polio vaccine at a cost of $50 each, that's about 15 billion they could make (minus production costs, etc).  However, in 1977 there were 260,000 people paralyzed by polio in the US alone (and this was 20 years after the vaccine had been introduced). If those people had to take a drug daily for life, how much could the company make? By my calculations, it's about 5.5 billion if they sold the drug for a dollar a pill (assuming 60 years of daily drug consumption at $1 per pill).  If they sold it for $3 a pill, or if the pill was to be taken three times a day, they've already made more money. So which is more profitable: a daily drug that only treats the symptoms, or a vaccine that has nearly wiped the disease from the earth (today, the disease prevalence has been reduced 99% compared to 1988, the year world wide eradication was set in motion) - and once the disease is gone, no more profit?
 
2013-05-01 12:07:10 PM  
found that many participants believed in contradictory conspiracy theories.


my favorite is the idea that Obama isn't an American coupled with the other theory that Barack Sr. is not his real father, but Frank Marshall Davis is. So not only is his mom American, now his "real" father is as well.... yet  Obama's not American.


Tatsuma: Deep Contact: Yep. 5 minutes later it was pulled.

Yeah, one news channel misunderstood 'We think that WTC7 is about to collapse' as 'it collapsed'. If only something could explain why they wouldn't have accurate info in such a chaos-free environment.


I've always wondered why it seems like a lot of theories seem to center around what the media reports. I can understand doubting the official record of the Government, but questioning the media who are generally just reporting whatever comes across the desk first?  It's akin to using someone's typo as a means to disarm their argument.
 
2013-05-01 12:08:25 PM  
This explains Congress

What else you got ...
 
2013-05-01 12:14:23 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.


Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs
 
2013-05-01 12:16:11 PM  
(Pardon me while I plagiarize myself)

If you suspect that BushCo used 9-11 as an excuse to attack Iraq, YOU MUST ALSO BELIEVE that BushCo was "behind" 9-11. Right?

If you suspect that ObamaCo used Sandy Hook to bolster their propaganda campaign in an effort to further their gun control agenda, YOU MUST ALSO BELIEVE that ObamaCo was "behind" Sandy Hook. Right?

False dilemma.

Some conspiracies are REAL. There really are people who work together to plot, plan and execute malevolent schemes. People are charged, convicted and sentenced for the crime of CONSPIRACY all the time, and any time one of these conspiracies is uncovered, the discovery process necessarily starts out as a "theory"  -at least until the evidence is compiled to prove the conspiracy.

The Watergate Scandalis an example of just such a REAL conspiracy that went all the way to the office of the POTUS, isn't it?

The accusation of "conspiracy theorist" has a special connotation these days. It can be and is used as a psychological tool to try to prevent people from entertaining certain possibilities, or pursuing certain lines of thought. Clever derogatory labels ("Birther", "Truther" etc) are used in an attempt to deride defame and ridicule anyone who would even DARE broach certain topics.

People are highly social animals, and tend to worry - often obsessively - about what others might "think" of them. They spend small fortunes on fashion, make-up, plastic surgery, accessories, cars, phones, etc. in the hopes of presenting and preserving an "image" that others will "approve" of.

Logic and practicality are NOT prerequisites to the above: For example, women will often buy and wear shoes that are horribly uncomfortable and difficult to walk in simply because they "look cool". The entire advertising industry revolves around appealing not to practical needs, but to the perceptions of the consumer - and much of that is based on the perception of social acceptance.

The same holds true for thought, and people, consciously or unconsciously, often embrace political, religious and other social ideas and concepts BECAUSE they believe doing so will enhance or preserve their "image" - the way that they BELIEVE they will be perceived by others with whom they would like to associate and identify. One need only look to the Politics Tab of Fark for textbook examples of such behavior.

No one likes to be ridiculed, and in the same way that many women wouldn't be "caught dead" wearing an outfit that MIGHT cause others to laugh, ridicule or scorn, there are many people who would rather "DIE" than have anyone attack them by attaching an "uncool" label such as "Truther", "Birther", "Tea-Partier", "Liberal", "anti-Semite", "Homophobe", "Racist", or (God forbid) "Conspiracy Theorist".

Again, logic, reason and practicality are NOT prerequisites to the above. The question is NOT whether sneakers are more practical and comfortable than four-inch heels, only which is perceived as the more "fashionable" "cool" or otherwise socially acceptable alternative.

The same psychology that is successfully used to direct fashion trends can be (and is) used to manipulate "socially acceptable" thoughts and ideas, and those that strongly identify with any given political, religious, or other social group or "movement" (including nationalism) are particularly vulnerable, as the fear of being ostracized within their given "circle" can be terrifying to the point that they will eschew ANY idea that might tend to threaten their status and acceptance within the group.

Of course, the media (including but not limited to the "news" media) is a powerful driving force in shaping which beliefs are "acceptable", and which are likely to subject one to scorn and ridicule, and as with fashion, once an "acceptable belief" has taken root an been embraced, others will naturally join in the chorus, and "dog-piling" to heap ridicule on those who are seen as failing to conform becomes part of the social ritual. After all, there is little value in seeing oneself as a "cool insider" if one cannot point and laugh at the "stupid outsiders", is there?

Us and them.

What do you "believe", and why?

How much of what you "believe" is drawn from rational conclusions based on logical examination, as opposed to "fashion"?

Why do people "believe" in "conspiracy theories"?
 
2013-05-01 12:16:15 PM  
Well, I'm just about done talking now but ciberido knows I'd love to talk more with her, yea it's a curious, curious world .
 
2013-05-01 12:16:32 PM  
One draw of conspiracy theories is the belief that you know something no one else does. Everyone else is part of the sheeple, and you are one of the few enlightened who know the truth. You are Morpheus, and everyone else is trapped in The Matrix. This makes you special, unique, and your life has meaning. You are part of the resistance, the Rebel Alliance. You are the lone voice of reason, the prophet in the wilderness, and you are bringing enlightenment to a world in darkness. it's no wonder these ideas are so appealing.

When you argue against conspiracy theorists, what you are telling them is that they aren't special. You are going up against a raging ego, and no amount of rational argument will convince people to accept that they are just as ordinary as you.
 
2013-05-01 12:20:56 PM  

stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs


Yea, but Stalin got through so no conspiracy : )
Hey we executed them so no worries : )
 
2013-05-01 12:22:12 PM  

stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs


The major difference is that the vast majority of people working on this did not know or understand the full consequences of their jobs, and many were racked with guilt after the bombs dropped, knowing then that they had contributed to this. The top few who did know also only needed to keep the secret until the moment the bomb dropped, after that it didn't matter who knew what.
What the tinfoil hatters expect us to believe is that thousands of people were not only in on it, but had to have been informed of the full extent of the conspiracy, and somehow incentivized to keep that secret for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-05-01 12:22:36 PM  

NostroZ: No Time To Explain: So basically what I'm being told is that believers of conspiracy theories are on the same level as religious zealots?

/I believe that
/if I believe any speculation or faith before knowledge, certify me insane

Anytime someone has the ANSWER before the QUESTION has been asked, you know they are selling you BS.

I've read the conspiracy theories, since they are wildly entertaining (especially David Ike's).  The one similarity that can be drawn between them and religious zealots is that BOTH believe in an ALL POWERFUL unknowable entity that controls their world.  The religious zealots call it G-d, the conspiracy theorists call it ZOG (zionist owned government) or Illuminati.

What really stuck out in the article for me was that people who believe in conspiracy theories are looking for control/order to their unpredictable world.


Isn't wanting to find order in an otherwise chaotic world the same between the religious and the conspiratulist? (I know that's not a word, but you know what I mean, I hope)

/I like the concept of chaotic order, one of those oxymorons I came to like on away
//sort of "expect the unexpected" and something about chaos leads to order and vis versa
 
2013-05-01 12:24:04 PM  
Oh, and sorry ciberido , granted I still want to know if I'm old enough to play on you're lawn, maybe too old ; )
 
2013-05-01 12:25:03 PM  

Flint Ironstag: ourbigdumbmouth: The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!

That's the other logic bomb that the conspiracy theorists can't explain. How can a government plan and execute perfectly 9/11 to justify a war when they can't, or didn't bother, faking some WMDs in Iraq to justify the official reason for the war.
Faking some WMDs would have been far easier than 9/11.


Because they don't give a fark after the fact!
Bush on link between Iraq and 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U66ab4cMCE
bush on ben laden 6mths after 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
And his "one finger victory salute":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twegJ8Kezao
 
2013-05-01 12:25:47 PM  

Amos Quito: No one likes to be ridiculed


I have an acquaintance who is a creationist-birther-truther-antivaxxer-Alex Jones disciple, and he welcomes ridicule as he believes that is all the proof he needs that he must be correct because the bible says that the true prophets of the end times will be persecuted and laughed at. I wish I was making that up.
 
2013-05-01 12:27:44 PM  

stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs


The Manhattan Project was (a) during the war after Pearl harbour and (b) clearly a government project for the good of the country. Americans were highly motivated to keep the secret, even without the threats. Look at Bletchly Park in the UK where they built the worlds first electronic programmable computer and broke Enigma daily, yet that didn't leak out until decades later.

Not if a fairly unpopular president carries out a project to kill 3000 Americans and a destroy chunk of New York do you really think people will be just as happy to keep that secret?
 
2013-05-01 12:32:11 PM  

stryed: Flint Ironstag: ourbigdumbmouth: The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!

That's the other logic bomb that the conspiracy theorists can't explain. How can a government plan and execute perfectly 9/11 to justify a war when they can't, or didn't bother, faking some WMDs in Iraq to justify the official reason for the war.
Faking some WMDs would have been far easier than 9/11.

Because they don't give a fark after the fact!
Bush on link between Iraq and 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U66ab4cMCE
bush on ben laden 6mths after 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
And his "one finger victory salute":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twegJ8Kezao


You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.
 
2013-05-01 12:37:49 PM  

notto: untaken_name: ThunderPelvis: 1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.

I met that blowhard in a rental car place in the late 1990s, when he was still local to Austin. He told me he was renting a car because "government thugs" shot his truck all up. With him in it. Without hitting him at all. Totaled his truck tho. Then he gave me some passes to Bad Boys strip club.

/CSB

That is what colloidal silver will do to you.  It will make you crazy.


I dunno about crazy, but it will fark you up.

static.oprah.com
 
2013-05-01 12:39:14 PM  

Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]

Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.


www.911hardfacts.com
 
2013-05-01 12:40:28 PM  

Flint Ironstag: stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs

The Manhattan Project was (a) during the war after Pearl harbour and (b) clearly a government project for the good of the country. Americans were highly motivated to keep the secret, even without the threats. Look at Bletchly Park in the UK where they built the worlds first electronic programmable computer and broke Enigma daily, yet that didn't leak out until decades later.

Not if a fairly unpopular president carries out a project to kill 3000 Americans and a destroy chunk of New York do you really think people will be just as happy to keep that secret?


Some believe that the end justify the means and would take this as something that's necessary and it might even be patriotic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
3000 killed isn't much when you consider Albright saying that half of million dead children is a price that's "worth it". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo
 
2013-05-01 12:46:07 PM  

Cythraul: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

I really do wonder if the likes of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck aren't suffering from paranoid delusion. And no, I'm not being hyperbolic.

It's either clever marketing to the crazies, or they're both lunatics.


Glenn Beck is just sucking money from the rubes, he's admitted it.

I think Jones really is Teh Crazy, but I don't listen to him nor read much about him so i could be wrong
 
2013-05-01 12:49:42 PM  

stryed: Flint Ironstag: stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs

The Manhattan Project was (a) during the war after Pearl harbour and (b) clearly a government project for the good of the country. Americans were highly motivated to keep the secret, even without the threats. Look at Bletchly Park in the UK where they built the worlds first electronic programmable computer and broke Enigma daily, yet that didn't leak out until decades later.

Not if a fairly unpopular president carries out a project to kill 3000 Americans and a destroy chunk of New York do you really think people will be just as happy to keep that secret?

Some believe that the end justify the means and would take this as something that's necessary and it might even be patriotic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
3000 killed isn't much when you consider Albright saying that half of million dead children is a p ...


Oh, these threads are so much fun. Yea, well again I'm gonna say too much but, it's not a conspiracy. How could it be. No one was looking for those guys ever, they appeared out of nowhere. So don't say anything different.
 
2013-05-01 12:52:01 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: I've always wondered why it seems like a lot of theories seem to center around what the media reports. I can understand doubting the official record of the Government, but questioning the media who are generally just reporting whatever comes across the desk first? It's akin to using someone's typo as a means to disarm their argument.


The media didn't use to report "whatever came across their desk." They used to be much better about checking stories before they went out to the public. And they were much more willing to censor information, if the government asked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

(See the Press Coverup section)

If that kind of thing happened today, there would be no keeping it quiet. At the time, however, the public didn't know that the truth was being hidden from them and there was a greater level of trust. That's something that was shattered (if not before) when it came to light that the media was more than willing to feed the public whatever propaganda the government wanted during the run-up to the war after 9/11.

My perception is that this erosion of trust in both the media and the government has made it much easier for the public to buy into the more extreme conspiracy theories, possibly at the expense in seeing some actual malfeasance that may be in play at any time because it can be pooh-poohed and dismissed as a conspiracy theory. Honestly, if Alex Jones was actually right about anything, no one would ever believe it because of the level of derp he operates at all the time.

It also seems like there are more conspiracy theories as a result of the almost unfiltered news coverage we get now. Not necessarily because the truth manages to get out but more often because, in the name of "breaking the story first," the story comes out so mangled before anyone bothers to sort out the actual truth that you can find bits and pieces to support almost any point of view.
 
2013-05-01 12:53:19 PM  

Flint Ironstag: stryed: Flint Ironstag: ourbigdumbmouth: The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!

That's the other logic bomb that the conspiracy theorists can't explain. How can a government plan and execute perfectly 9/11 to justify a war when they can't, or didn't bother, faking some WMDs in Iraq to justify the official reason for the war.
Faking some WMDs would have been far easier than 9/11.

Because they don't give a fark after the fact!
Bush on link between Iraq and 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U66ab4cMCE
bush on ben laden 6mths after 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
And his "one finger victory salute":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twegJ8Kezao

You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.


You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.
(Blair is culpable too..it's an anglo-american thing.)
 
2013-05-01 12:59:29 PM  

stryed: You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.
(Blair is culpable too..it's an anglo-american thing.)


Oh, stop that silly talk, I've said already there are no conspiracy theories. What we are told is the truth. You just have to accept these things. Oh and have you taken you're Soma today, you know a gram a day ; )
 
2013-05-01 01:07:14 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: stryed: You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.
(Blair is culpable too..it's an anglo-american thing.)

Oh, stop that silly talk, I've said already there are no conspiracy theories. What we are told is the truth. You just have to accept these things. Oh and have you taken you're Soma today, you know a gram a day ; )


I apologize, it was my lack of soma that was doing the talking. Won't happen again, sorry.
/not a CTist as I have science to do.
/gets back to studying.
 
2013-05-01 01:07:26 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.


So you admit the conspiracy theory is incorrect?  The "political method" is the precise method the 9/11 Truther movement used.  "It was an inside job" and here are the "facts to back it up."  When their "facts" were debunked they claimed the debunkers were a part of the conspiracy OR they moved the goal posts (which made the conspiracy even more of a grandiose, all-encompassing scheme).

Alex Jones immediately jumped to a conclusion that the Boston Marathon bombing was a government operation and then shoe-horned the evidence to fit his conclusion.

The 9/11 Commission used the powers of observation to see planes hitting the towers and started from there.  That's called "evidence" in the process of an investigation, and you tend to immediately discard ridiculous theories such as "there were hundreds of pounds of explosives and miles of detonation wiring planted in each of those buildings that went completely unnoticed and were detonated at precise moments to make it look like planes crashing into the buildings actually brought down the buildings."

The real fact is:  there was indeed a conspiracy on 9/11.  About 20 pissed off Muslims took advantage of lax airport security, hijacked four airplanes, rammed three of them into buildings and failed at the fourth attempt.

The fact that you continue this foolish line of thinking, despite the fact that you've been given explanations otherwise, demonstrates delusion.  YOU are precisely the type of person this article is about.  YOU dismiss logic, reason and science so you can cling to your own worldview that something even more sinister than what actually happened happened.

That, or you're a troll.  (In which case, 10/10, good job.)
 
2013-05-01 01:08:06 PM  
You know how I know the article is propaganda bullshiat?

"For example, the conspiracy-belief that Osama Bin Laden is still alive was positively correlated with the conspiracy-belief that he was already dead before the military raid took place.  "

See that part in bold? Nobody thinks that.  Not anyone you farkers want to mock.  Not Beck.  Not at Infowars.  NOBODY.

The part that's underlined?  Yes.  He was being treated for Marfans disease in 2001 in a hospital in Dubai, dialysis, meaning advanced marfans. in July, where he met with two CIA agents.  While he was already on the FBI's 10 most wanted for the embassy bombings and the Cole.  Assuming he actually even left that hospital and then wasn't killed in the Tora Bora caves he would have succumbed to renal failure probably no more than five years before the raid.

You might as well call the SOB Emanuel Bin Goldstein, and he's served Oceania well as a boogy man  to justify anything.
 
2013-05-01 01:12:18 PM  

Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]

Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

[www.911hardfacts.com image 360x320]


Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

i.imgur.com
 

Also the several firefighters saw the damage and withdrew from trying to save it. They saw with their eyes that it was in danger of collapse.

See what they say here.
 
2013-05-01 01:18:07 PM  

Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.

So you admit the conspiracy theory is incorrect?  The "political method" is the precise method the 9/11 Truther movement used.  "It was an inside job" and here are the "facts to back it up."  When their "facts" were debunked they claimed the debunkers were a part of the conspiracy OR they moved the goal posts (which made the conspiracy even more of a grandiose, all-encompassing scheme).

Alex Jones immediately jumped to a conclusion that the Boston Marathon bombing was a government operation and then shoe-horned the evidence to fit his conclusion.


True, but there are some things that are red flags for CTists in these cases and they try to look for them : drills and ties to the CIA or other shadowy agencies. As i've posted once earlier:
Retired CIA officer Graham Fuller confirmed to Al-Monitor Saturday that his daughter was previously married to an uncle of the suspects in the Boston Marathon attacks, but called rumors of any links between the uncle and the Agency "absurd." "
http://gawker.com/ex-cia-agent-denies-rumors-of-ties-to-ruslan-tsarn ae v-483787629

I think it's interesting info especially since it's the uncle that was interviewed several times and called the brothers "losers"....brainwashing is brainwashing whether it be from shadowy CIA operatives or islamist extremists. It's not the first time these domestic terrorists have had close links to the military or the CIA. It's noteworthy isn't it?

"Graham E. Fuller is an American author and political analyst, specializing in Islamic extremism.Formerly vice-chair of the National Intelligence Council, he also served as Station Chief in Kabul for the CIA. A "think piece" that Fuller wrote for the CIA was identified as instrumental in leading to the Iran-contra affair. After a career in the United States State Department and CIA lasting 27 years,he joined Rand Corporation as senior political scientist specializing in the Middle East. As of 2006, he was affiliated with the Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada as an adjunct professor of history. He is the author of a number of books, including The Future of Political Islam. " wikied

/here, have some tinfoil. I have some to spare.
 
2013-05-01 01:21:33 PM  
The use of bold lettering in this thread is bad at relaying code.

You guys suck at being all secret-y and stuff.

/at work
//wishing for a drink
///and a "hug" from tinfoil-hat maggie
 
2013-05-01 01:22:43 PM  
"CBS News and NBC's Pete Williams reported that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev became an American citizen last year on September 11, 2012"
Now that's quite the awkward synchronicity (fun trivia, not saying it means anything...)
 
2013-05-01 01:23:45 PM  

stryed: tinfoil-hat maggie: stryed: You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.
(Blair is culpable too..it's an anglo-american thing.)

Oh, stop that silly talk, I've said already there are no conspiracy theories. What we are told is the truth. You just have to accept these things. Oh and have you taken you're Soma today, you know a gram a day ; )

I apologize, it was my lack of soma that was doing the talking. Won't happen again, sorry.
/not a CTist as I have science to do.
/gets back to studying.


You're cute I like you : )
 
2013-05-01 01:25:38 PM  

stryed: You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.

You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.


He'd certainly care, since at the time he still had re election coming up. Had they found WMDs he would probably have won by a landslide whereas with Iraq hanging over him he could easily have lost.
 
2013-05-01 01:27:06 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: The use of bold lettering in this thread is bad at relaying code.

You guys suck at being all secret-y and stuff.

/at work
//wishing for a drink
///and a "hug" from tinfoil-hat maggie


Big hugs from me, and stop that implying secrets implies conspiracies ; )
 
2013-05-01 01:29:39 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: What_do_you_want_now: The use of bold lettering in this thread is bad at relaying code.

You guys suck at being all secret-y and stuff.

/at work
//wishing for a drink
///and a "hug" from tinfoil-hat maggie

Big hugs from me, and stop that implying secrets implies conspiracies ; )


I'm just saying that all the bolding isn't getting across the main points, they're pointless ramblings when you actually include the context, if you get my point?

......point.

Also, a nice quote from I don't know who.

"Three men can keep a secret if two are dead."
 
2013-05-01 01:32:14 PM  
GregoryD:

Also the several firefighters saw the damage and withdrew from trying to save it. They saw with their eyes that it was in danger of collapse.

See what they say here.


Right, like we're supposed to believe a bunch of shape-shifting lizard-man firefighters?
 
2013-05-01 01:38:31 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.

How many then, 4? 5?  To me, it's certainly conceivable that however many people it would take to do such a task, would be capable of keeping the secret.  And I don't think it would be hard to go unnoticed either, they would be dressed as construction or maintenance workers.  I read reports of construction going on, on floors that were unoccupied leading up to 9/11.  I thought I even read somewhere that some floors of the building that were occupied, were "closed" on a weekend prior to 9/11 due to some sort of maintenance.

No I don't think it would be hard at all to blend in, or keep the secret between the limited amount of people needed to carry out such an act.

I don't see how anyone can think it would be that inconceivable.  You don't have to believe demolitions brought down WTC 1, 2 or 7 to be able to see that it's certainly possible that it could have been carried out.


From the company that brought down the Farmers Bank Building in Pittsburgh:
"CDI's 13 person crew needed seven (7) days to place 1,590 linear shaped charges totaling 595 lb. of explosives on steel columns on 11 levels of the 27-story structure.  "

And that was for a single, hundred year old building that was 24 stories tall, with two months of full, unfettered access for advance preparation, and no need to hide or disguise the hundreds of pounds of explosives and thousands of yards of wiring they were attaching to it.

So yeah, the idea that 2, or 3, or 7 guys could get full access to the innermost recesses of both of those buildings, and plant explosive charges every single day for what? Eight? Twelve months? Without anyone noticing either 1) The guys themselves or 2) The  thousands of shaped charges they would have installed or 3) the thousands of yards of wiring they would have installed is so absolutely ridiculous that there is no sane reason to believe it.

On the other hand, I actually watched a 125 ton airplane filled with ten thousand gallons of jet fuel crash into one of the buildings at 600 miles per hour.

 So yeah, I suppose it's possible that my kitchen window was broken by left-wing Sandinista terrorists who used a baseball because that's all they happened to have in the glove compartment of the weinermobile they were driving down my street. but it's just a little bit more likely that it was actually the kids outside playing baseball in the street
 
2013-05-01 01:46:18 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.

How many then, 4? 5?  To me, it's certainly conceivable that however many people it would take to do such a task, would be capable of keeping the secret.  And I don't think it would be hard to go unnoticed either, they would be dressed as construction or maintenance workers.  I read reports of construction going on, on floors that were unoccupied leading up to 9/11.  I thought I even read somewhere that some floors of the building that were occupied, were "closed" on a weekend prior to 9/11 due to some sort of maintenance.

No I don't think it would be hard at all to blend in, or keep the secret between the limited amount of people needed to carry out such an act.

I don't see how anyone can think it would be that inconceivable.  You don't have to believe demolitions brought down WTC 1, 2 or 7 to be able to see that it's certainly possible that it could have been carried out.

From the company that brought down the Farmers Bank Building in Pittsburgh:
"CDI's 13 person crew needed seven (7) days to place 1,590 linear shaped charges totaling 595 lb. of explosives on steel columns on 11 levels of the 27-story structure.  "

And that was for a single, hundred year old building that was 24 stories tall, with two months of full, unfettered access for advance preparation, and no need to hide or disguise the hundreds of pounds of explosives and thousands of yards of wiring they were attaching to it.

So yeah, the idea that 2, or 3, or 7 guys could get full access to the innermost recesses of both of those buildings, and plant explosive charges every single day for what? Eight? Twelve months? Without anyone noticing either 1) The guys themselves or 2) The  ...


Plus expecting those charges to not go off when the planes hit and started burning  but would be left intact and functional to work perfectly an hour later. And for the planes to hit the exact right floor for the charges to make it look like the plane damage caused the collapse.
 
2013-05-01 01:47:58 PM  

GregoryD: Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
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Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

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Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]
 

Also the several firefighters saw the damage and withdrew from trying to save it. They saw with their eyes that it was in danger of collapse.

See what they say here.


Sorry, they were told the buiding was going to be pulled. Funny, there was no explanation in the 9/11 ommission report for #7.
Look at the detonations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwp&NR=1
 
2013-05-01 01:48:14 PM  

Flint Ironstag: stryed: You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.

You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.

He'd certainly care, since at the time he still had re election coming up. Had they found WMDs he would probably have won by a landslide whereas with Iraq hanging over him he could easily have lost.


You mean the Bush vs Kerry election, the first ever skull and bones members only election? Don't think he cared as bonesmen didn't care of the outcome of that election.
 
2013-05-01 01:52:14 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Plus expecting those charges to not go off when the planes hit and started burning but would be left intact and functional to work perfectly an hour later. And for the planes to hit the exact right floor for the charges to make it look like the plane damage caused the collapse.


Yeah, I was going to bring that up, but I was already tired of typing to a guy who's Just Asking Questions. I'm glad you did.
 
2013-05-01 02:07:05 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Flint Ironstag: Plus expecting those charges to not go off when the planes hit and started burning but would be left intact and functional to work perfectly an hour later. And for the planes to hit the exact right floor for the charges to make it look like the plane damage caused the collapse.

Yeah, I was going to bring that up, but I was already tired of typing to a guy who's Just Asking Questions. I'm glad you did.


Alright fine, ya can't figure that one out y'all win.
 
2013-05-01 02:21:57 PM  
What if every conspiracy nut is part of a greater conspiracy to throw us off the trail of the real culprits by claiming everything's a conspiracy, thereby providing a smokescreen?
 
2013-05-01 02:24:41 PM  
Sure, *one* of the Lee Harvey Oswalds acted alone.
 
2013-05-01 02:25:11 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: stryed: tinfoil-hat maggie: stryed: You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.
(Blair is culpable too..it's an anglo-american thing.)

Oh, stop that silly talk, I've said already there are no conspiracy theories. What we are told is the truth. You just have to accept these things. Oh and have you taken you're Soma today, you know a gram a day ; )

I apologize, it was my lack of soma that was doing the talking. Won't happen again, sorry.
/not a CTist as I have science to do.
/gets back to studying.

You're cute I like you : )


Well that certainly adds to my credibility!
 
2013-05-01 03:06:01 PM  

stryed: Flint Ironstag: stryed: You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.

You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.

He'd certainly care, since at the time he still had re election coming up. Had they found WMDs he would probably have won by a landslide whereas with Iraq hanging over him he could easily have lost.

You mean the Bush vs Kerry election, the first ever skull and bones members only election? Don't think he cared as bonesmen didn't care of the outcome of that election.



img845.imageshack.us
 
2013-05-01 03:11:15 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, and sorry ciberido , granted I still want to know if I'm old enough to play on you're lawn, maybe too old ; )


Is that some sort of sexy euphemism?
 
2013-05-01 03:30:12 PM  

Flint Ironstag: stryed: Flint Ironstag: stryed: You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.

You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.

He'd certainly care, since at the time he still had re election coming up. Had they found WMDs he would probably have won by a landslide whereas with Iraq hanging over him he could easily have lost.

You mean the Bush vs Kerry election, the first ever skull and bones members only election? Don't think he cared as bonesmen didn't care of the outcome of that election.


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I expected that but this is from a journalist who wrote a book on the society and according to her, had called up several bonesmen asking about their opinion on the election, and the people who responded told her they didn't care who got elected. Then again, the journalist in question was blonde so laugh at her all you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJDs1cg9Eo
 
2013-05-01 03:56:11 PM  

Deep Contact: GregoryD: Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
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Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

[www.911hardfacts.com image 360x320]

Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


Also the several firefighters saw the damage and withdrew from trying to save it. They saw with their eyes that it was in danger of collapse.

See what they say here.

Sorry, they were told the buiding was going to be pulled. Funny, there was no explanation in the 9/11 ommission report for #7.
Look at the detonations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwp&NR=1


I've always liked this response about #7:

"For an exercise, look up the mass of the towers, and figure out how much kinetic energy is released by dropping that mass half the height of the WTC; that's the approximate energy released into the ground next door. Convert to sticks of dynamite for reference.

The formula is E=(m)(g)(Δs), where m is mass, g is the ~9.8 m/(s2), and Δs the height of the fall, which on average is half the WTC height. (The foolish can do the calculus to integrate and show its the same result.)

A kilo of dynamite going bang releases about 7.5 megajoules."

Link
 
2013-05-01 03:58:11 PM  
oi41.tinypic.com
 
2013-05-01 04:50:10 PM  

stryed: Flint Ironstag: stryed: Flint Ironstag: stryed: You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.

You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.

He'd certainly care, since at the time he still had re election coming up. Had they found WMDs he would probably have won by a landslide whereas with Iraq hanging over him he could easily have lost.

You mean the Bush vs Kerry election, the first ever skull and bones members only election? Don't think he cared as bonesmen didn't care of the outcome of that election.


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I expected that but this is from a journalist who wrote a book on the society and according to her, had called up several bonesmen asking about their opinion on the election, and the people who responded told her they didn't care who got elected. Then again, the journalist in question was blonde so laugh at her all you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJDs1cg9Eo


Saying they didn't care is like saying you don't care which player on your football team scores the goals. But that is very different from claiming that they themselves don't care if they score the winning goal or one of their team mates. Sure, they'll be happy to win either way, but they'll want to score the winning goal personally. Bush would have to be a robot to not want to win even if his opponent was on the same team.

This also ignores the fact that at the time of the Iraq invasion it wasn't yet settled that Kerry would be his challenger. If someone else got the nomination then Bush would certainly have wanted to have his war legitimized by finding WMDs.

You're suggesting that the entire campaign was done as a total sham, and ignoring the fact that since it will very much be in their interest for whoever wins to be seen to win a clear victory then logically you'd expect, once they got their two people as the only two left standing that they'd tell Kerry to go easy and let Bush win easily.

Lastly it makes no sense either way. If Bush didn't care about public opinion (about no WMDs found in Iraq) then why would he care about public opinion (carrying out 9/11) to justify the invasion? The US has taken action against countries on far smaller justifications. Why kill 3000 of your won citizens and destroy a chunk of NYC when you could just say "They have WMDs so we're going to invade"?
Also, whether your man Bush or your man Kerry won, both, but especially Bush, would have far more legitimacy on the world stage had they been proved right on Saddam having WMDs.
If you can carry out 9/11 then there are huge reasons to fake WMDs and zero reasons not to.
 
2013-05-01 04:59:23 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: A 14-year old in an AOL chat room would still be a step up from most Farkers.
[www.themagazine.ca image 475x275]
Does someone need a hug?

I need a hug.


*HUGS*

And some emoticons to piss off the right folks for good measure :)  :-P
 
2013-05-01 05:07:44 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: I probably am and don't even know it, so sad and here all I can think about is ciberido biatch slapping someone for me : ) What?
/Why does she have have to live far away and be so mysterious.


Nobody gets me.   I'm the wind, baby.

/I'm sorry you're sad.  I wish I could help.
 
2013-05-01 05:15:00 PM  

Deep Contact: GregoryD: Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
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Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

[www.911hardfacts.com image 360x320]

Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]
 

Also the several firefighters saw the damage and withdrew from trying to save it. They saw with their eyes that it was in danger of collapse.

See what they say here.

Sorry, they were told the buiding was going to be pulled. Funny, there was no explanation in the 9/11 ommission report for #7.
Look at the detonations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwp&NR=1


"Detonations" that occur after the building has started to collapse.
 
2013-05-01 05:27:47 PM  

Flint Ironstag: stryed: Flint Ironstag: stryed: Flint Ironstag: stryed: You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.

You think he is bothered by what the people think about him or the presence or absence of WMDs once goals are accomplished? Really? The point is, he was wrong and was able to pre-emptively attack a country with nothing more than fabricated evidence. Now, if the WMDs had "made in Iran" written over it and people bought it he'd probably be more than relieved but ecstatic but fortunately people aren't that gullible yet. For now they'll have to wait until they set up Iran some other way.

He'd certainly care, since at the time he still had re election coming up. Had they found WMDs he would probably have won by a landslide whereas with Iraq hanging over him he could easily have lost.

You mean the Bush vs Kerry election, the first ever skull and bones members only election? Don't think he cared as bonesmen didn't care of the outcome of that election.


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I expected that but this is from a journalist who wrote a book on the society and according to her, had called up several bonesmen asking about their opinion on the election, and the people who responded told her they didn't care who got elected. Then again, the journalist in question was blonde so laugh at her all you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJDs1cg9Eo

Saying they didn't care is like saying you don't care which player on your football team scores the goals. But that is very different from claiming that they themselves don't care if they s ...


I really don't think you can equate the pride one has with scoring a goal in sports with policy making...Such things are bigger than personal pride. Our main differences lie in that you believe in these teams, whilst I believe these seperate teams have the same idiological goals.
I think most elections are a total sham unfortunately, and the most interesting candidates who have no chance of winning are also those who can be the most truthful.  I also don't think they care about approval ratings that much as long as approval of the system in place is A-OK. I'm a bit jaded.
As for invading without 911, well the PNAC doc addresses the question. People need to be riled up, people need to believe in a just cause, and most countries would not accept unilateral intervention. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event--like a new Pearl Harbor". I don't like quoting this famous part of the PNAC doc because so much more concerning the regime change in IRAK would be overlooked...
I believe the people in charge think of the US citizens as people with ADHD, that concentrate on one point after another but never put two and two together.
You do have a point, one that I have been struggling with myself..why not gain more trust and legitimacy? I don't know...perhaps to divide and conquer public opinion? Hopefully not to weed people out or I'd be in trouble! ;)
/cheers for being polite
 
2013-05-01 10:13:51 PM  

GregoryD: Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
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Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

[www.911hardfacts.com image 360x320]

Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


You mean like this building?

www.serendipity.li

You know, WTC 6, which DIDN'T collapse despite having a huge gaping hole through the center and was also burning?
 
2013-05-01 10:22:28 PM  
I guess it's time for a hard truth. I am behind all of this. As an immortal space lemur, the only thing that amuses me these days is messing with people on a grand scale.

If you truly care about your fellow humans, send me money or BIE.
 
2013-05-01 11:15:00 PM  

FatherChaos: GregoryD: Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]

Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

[www.911hardfacts.com image 360x320]

Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

[i.imgur.com image 640x480]

You mean like this building?

[www.serendipity.li image 587x533]

You know, WTC 6, which DIDN'T collapse despite having a huge gaping hole through the center and was also burning?


WTC6 is 8 floors. Constructed differently then a highrise. Apples meet Oranges. The fact that you even attempted to compare the two shows me you don't have the faintest clue how buildings or physics work.
 
2013-05-01 11:22:16 PM  
I think a lot of conspiracy theories rely on the Dunning-Kruger effect, where people truly believe they know more than world class experts about such things as the behavior of steel framed skyscrapers or the ballistics of strange Italian bullets.

The JFK assassination is a great example of how most conspiracy theories rely on bullshiat. All the talk about how "magical" the trajectory of the bullet was is pure bs. When you actually analyze the situation you find that the bullet followed a complex but perfectly plausible trajectory. Just like with 9/11, people who can barely add 2 + 2 definitely stat that it is utterly IMPOSSIBLE for a steel framed building to collapse due to fire, even after being hit by an enormous airplane that destroyed a large fraction of its structural supports.

blog.mlive.com
 
2013-05-02 12:00:20 AM  

What_do_you_want_now: Also, a nice quote from I don't know who.

"Three men can keep a secret if two are dead."


That's attributed to Benjamin Franklin.
 
2013-05-02 12:23:03 AM  

stryed: I really don't think you can equate the pride one has with scoring a goal in sports with policy making...Such things are bigger than personal pride. Our main differences lie in that you believe in these teams, whilst I believe these seperate teams have the same idiological goals.
I think most elections are a total sham unfortunately, and the most interesting candidates who have no chance of winning are also those who can be the most truthful.  I also don't think they care about approval ratings that much as long as approval of the system in place is A-OK. I'm a bit jaded.
As for invading without 911, well the PNAC doc addresses the question. People need to be riled up, people need to believe in a just cause, and most countries would not accept unilateral intervention. "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event--like a new Pearl Harbor". I don't like quoting this famous part of the PNAC doc because so much more concerning the regime change in IRAK would be overlooked...
I believe the people in charge think of the US citizens as people with ADHD, that concentrate on one point after another but never put two and two together.
You do have a point, one that I have been struggling with myself..why not gain more trust and legitimacy? I don't know...perhaps to divide and conquer public opinion? Hopefully not to weed people out or I'd be in trouble! ;)
/cheers for being polite


No problem. But there's still the contradictions. They don't care about public opinion? But they carried out 9/11 to win over public opinion?
Public opinion is also pretty important at election time and when invading Iraq and looking for the WMDs they didn't know Kerry was going to be his opponent. Had Kerry lost and an "outsider" stood against Bush then they'd be kicking themselves for not faking some WMDs, which would be far easier than carrying out 9/11 and would have hugely improved Bush's standing and popularity.

And if you go further and say they have the whole system sewn up and could be certain of Kerry winning the nomination then why would it be such a big deal that this was the first time two Skull and Bones men were standing against each other? Why could they only arrange that this election but not before or since?

The US has started military actions many times without a 9/11. Vietnam, Korea, Kosovo, Grenada, First Iraq war and so on.
And 9/11 didn't even point to Iraq. If they staged it to justify the war why didn't they plant evidence pointing to Iraq as the terrorists and plant evidence framing Saddam?
 
2013-05-02 01:29:50 AM  

muck4doo: Fact: Global Warming started about the same time U.F.O's started showing up. Coincidence? I think not.
Fact: They are changing our climate and atmosphere to match theirs.


Charlie Sheen from the move "The Arrival" would like a word with you
 
2013-05-02 01:43:10 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Flint, I remember reading reports about loud construction going on reported by people who worked in the WTC buildings, leading up to 9/11.  Again, just because it's unlikely, doesn't mean that it wasn't possible.


People really believe that the building were demolished?
Holy christ on a cracker....
 
2013-05-02 01:48:18 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it. I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it. That is all. If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.

Yes, yes, we've heard it.  "I'm just asking questions here!"

The problem is YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS.  This shiat has been debunked, in this very thread already, and you continue.  Nothing is going to convince you.

It isn't a "closed mind" that doesn't allow us to think of this as a possibility, it's a logical mind that actually allows us to think through the scenario and realize the bullshiat smells like bullshiat.

Your answer was that it is not possible to rig up a building with demolitions without being noticed or kept secret, and I think that's incorrect.  Your other answer were actually questions about "why" or "is it worth the risk" to do what I was suggesting could be done.


Do you work in the field of building demolition?
I know two guys who are, I have seen them set up.

Its NOT POSSIBLE to do it without totally disrupting the building.

NOT REMOTELY POSSIBLE.

Look it up , educate yourself.

Cause damn man, WOW. You are peddling some weapons grade stupid here.
 
2013-05-02 01:53:40 AM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: You don't think there's any plausible way that 1 or 2 people working for 1 person could have planted bombs and kept it a secret?

There's no plausible way that only 1 or 2 people could have wired two skyscrapers with enough demolitions (completely unnoticed!) to bring them down.

How many then, 4? 5?  To me, it's certainly conceivable that however many people it would take to do such a task, would be capable of keeping the secret.  And I don't think it would be hard to go unnoticed either, they would be dressed as construction or maintenance workers.  I read reports of construction going on, on floors that were unoccupied leading up to 9/11.  I thought I even read somewhere that some floors of the building that were occupied, were "closed" on a weekend prior to 9/11 due to some sort of maintenance.

No I don't think it would be hard at all to blend in, or keep the secret between the limited amount of people needed to carry out such an act.

I don't see how anyone can think it would be that inconceivable.  You don't have to believe demolitions brought down WTC 1, 2 or 7 to be able to see that it's certainly possible that it could have been carried out.

From the company that brought down the Farmers Bank Building in Pittsburgh:
"CDI's 13 person crew needed seven (7) days to place 1,590 linear shaped charges totaling 595 lb. of explosives on steel columns on 11 levels of the 27-story structure.  "

And that was for a single, hundred year old building that was 24 stories tall, with two months of full, unfettered access for advance preparation, and no need to hide or disguise the hundreds of pounds of explosives and thousands of yards of wiring they were attaching to it.

So yeah, the idea that 2, or 3, or 7 guys could get full access to the innermost recesses of both of those buildings, and plant explosive charges every single day for what? Eight? Twelve months? Without anyone noticing either 1) The guys themselves or 2) The  ...


Thread over.
 
2013-05-02 04:48:29 AM  
There are so many delusional, non-fact-checking, irrational, ignorant fools in the USA.  i really wish I was less ethical, so it would be easier to find a way to separate these fools from their money.
 
2013-05-02 06:15:30 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Deep Contact: GregoryD: Deep Contact: Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
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Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.

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Straw man. Nobody claimed a plane did.

They did however claim the WTC North Tower damaged World Trade Center 7 when it collapsed.

As you can see in the giant hole going down the middle of it.

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Also the several firefighters saw the damage and withdrew from trying to save it. They saw with their eyes that it was in danger of collapse.

See what they say here.

Sorry, they were told the buiding was going to be pulled. Funny, there was no explanation in the 9/11 ommission report for #7.
Look at the detonations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwp&NR=1

"Detonations" that occur after the building has started to collapse.


That's how they pull buildings.
 
2013-05-02 08:32:18 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: ciberido: Valacirca: tinfoil-hat maggie

Stop using smiley faces, you're not a 14-year old in an AOL chat room.


A 14-year old in an AOL chat room would still be a step up from most Farkers.
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Does someone need a hug?

I need a hug.
/Well it's a bit more complected than that but, well ; )


Don't use winky faces, it give mixed messages.

/not sure if turned on
 
2013-05-02 07:24:03 PM  
This thread is full of fart smell.
 
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