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2013-05-01 11:09:58 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it. I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it. That is all. If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.


Yes, yes, we've heard it.  "I'm just asking questions here!"

The problem is YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS.  This shiat has been debunked, in this very thread already, and you continue.  Nothing is going to convince you.

It isn't a "closed mind" that doesn't allow us to think of this as a possibility, it's a logical mind that actually allows us to think through the scenario and realize the bullshiat smells like bullshiat.
 
2013-05-01 11:12:53 AM  

megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?


Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.
 
2013-05-01 11:15:40 AM  
Like God has a "Chosen People" science?
 
2013-05-01 11:16:18 AM  

Tatsuma: God Is My Co-Pirate: Right? "Oh no, there's this group of reclusive billionaires who are putting mind control drugs in chemtrails and anyone who disgrees with them just vanishes!" Sweet, where do I sign up?

That's what i never got about anti-semitism.

'The Jews are an all-powerful force that control governments and makes all of the money!... so let's kill them' instead of, you know, converting and joining in the wealth and control


no, dude, we know all about Jew gold, and how you have decoy bags of fake Jew gold to fool people who try to steal your gold.

/ two days before the day after tomorrow
 
2013-05-01 11:19:44 AM  
Why would the false flag planners need to tell the BBC beforehand that WTC7 should be reported as collapsing?

Couldn't they just blow it up and let the BBC report it naturally?

What benefit would there be from telling beforehand and raising the possibility of being discovered?

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Or the firefighters saw that the building was in danger of collapsing because it was on fire and had massive chucks of it missing from when wtc north tower collapsed. They cleared the area around wtc7 before it collapsed which is why no one was hurt when it collapsed. The BBC got wind of them clearing the area around WTC7 and made the mistake considering there are a cluster of building around there named WTC 1-7.

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Which is the more reasonable scenario?
 
2013-05-01 11:21:26 AM  

Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it. I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it. That is all. If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.

Yes, yes, we've heard it.  "I'm just asking questions here!"

The problem is YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS.  This shiat has been debunked, in this very thread already, and you continue.  Nothing is going to convince you.

It isn't a "closed mind" that doesn't allow us to think of this as a possibility, it's a logical mind that actually allows us to think through the scenario and realize the bullshiat smells like bullshiat.


Your answer was that it is not possible to rig up a building with demolitions without being noticed or kept secret, and I think that's incorrect.  Your other answer were actually questions about "why" or "is it worth the risk" to do what I was suggesting could be done.
 
2013-05-01 11:22:00 AM  
I know a guy who opposes every single mainstream theory held by the public by default. Not healthy skepticism, mind you, but belligerent opposition. He's a fun guy outside of this shiat and his Facebook posts make for some fine entertainment. Sometimes people create fantasies to make their boring lives seem more interesting and meaningful. They also like to think they're smarter than all the "sheeple".
 
2013-05-01 11:24:36 AM  

Lady Indica: Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?


the sky has no color.

we perceive blue, but we only see the residue of the chem trails sent up by the Merovingians, which refract the light from the mind control lasers.
 
2013-05-01 11:25:27 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Dog Welder: CrazyCracka420: Again, although I believe demolitions brought down the WTC buildings, I'm trying to play devil's advocate here. Asking why or what's the risk is not what I'm getting it. I'm trying to paint the picture that it was certainly possible to rig up buildings for demolition and keep the secret between the people who did it. That is all. If people can't even accept that possibility, they have a very closed mind.

Yes, yes, we've heard it.  "I'm just asking questions here!"

The problem is YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS.  This shiat has been debunked, in this very thread already, and you continue.  Nothing is going to convince you.

It isn't a "closed mind" that doesn't allow us to think of this as a possibility, it's a logical mind that actually allows us to think through the scenario and realize the bullshiat smells like bullshiat.

Your answer was that it is not possible to rig up a building with demolitions without being noticed or kept secret, and I think that's incorrect.  Your other answer were actually questions about "why" or "is it worth the risk" to do what I was suggesting could be done.


And someone else answered that it would take miles of detonation cables, hundreds of pounds of explosives, and massive amounts of deconstruction throughout the building to put the explosives in a place where they would actually demolish the building.

To suggest that one person, four or five people, or dozens of guys would not be discovered planting all of that equipment in two of the largest buildings in the world where thousands of people worked every day is nothing short of delusional.  Which is sort of the point of the article in question.
 
2013-05-01 11:26:02 AM  
The fact remains, the 9/11 commission went in looking to prove that planes and fire brought down the WTC buildings.  They didn't even look at the possibility of demolitions being used.

i14.photobucket.com

Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.
 
2013-05-01 11:28:44 AM  

legion_of_doo: Lady Indica: Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?

the sky has no color.

we perceive blue, but we only see the residue of the chem trails sent up by the Merovingians, which refract the light from the mind control lasers.


I don't think that's right. The sky is blue and the chemtrails don't have any effect on me. I can erase them with vinegar.
 
2013-05-01 11:30:53 AM  
The biggest problem with conspiracy theories is that the plans always work perfectly.  Nobody is ever caught setting up one of these events and has something go wrong so their plans are exposed.  Explosives in the WTC?  What if one of the planes never got to the towers?  Then one of the towers is sitting there full of explosives.  It's only after the fact of these events, once the "conspiracy" has succeeded, that these theories start flying around.
 
2013-05-01 11:33:02 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.


I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.
 
2013-05-01 11:36:13 AM  

socoloco: Like God has a "Chosen People" science?


O_o  ?

7/10 - short and nonsensical sentence with charged words.
Nice trolling buddy...  like a bullet of derp straight to the brain.
 
2013-05-01 11:36:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: legion_of_doo: Lady Indica: Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?

the sky has no color.

we perceive blue, but we only see the residue of the chem trails sent up by the Merovingians, which refract the light from the mind control lasers.

I don't think that's right. The sky is blue and the chemtrails don't have any effect on me. I can erase them with vinegar.


you have to watch out for a weird "U" symbol on the vinegar, though.

that means a Rabbi has put mind altering chemicals in your food product to make you believe what the mainstream media tells you.

/ you know who controls the media don't you?
Zionist illuminati, and the Merovingians!
 
2013-05-01 11:37:25 AM  

legion_of_doo: AverageAmericanGuy: legion_of_doo: Lady Indica: Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?

the sky has no color.

we perceive blue, but we only see the residue of the chem trails sent up by the Merovingians, which refract the light from the mind control lasers.

I don't think that's right. The sky is blue and the chemtrails don't have any effect on me. I can erase them with vinegar.

you have to watch out for a weird "U" symbol on the vinegar, though.

that means a Rabbi has put mind altering chemicals in your food product to make you believe what the mainstream media tells you.

/ you know who controls the media don't you?
Zionist illuminati, and the Merovingians!


Gimme a break. You think I don't know that?
 
2013-05-01 11:37:54 AM  

Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]


Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.
 
2013-05-01 11:38:59 AM  

megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.


Well, I can't disagree with that, hopefully their growing pit bulls.
/Still a lot of crazy has happened and some we know about, yea I think people like Jones are distractions. Why? It's what I would do.
/And again I've said too much.
//I'm just drunk and making stuff up now ; )
 
2013-05-01 11:39:19 AM  

megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.


why would you do that to the puppies?
 
2013-05-01 11:49:27 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The biggest problem with conspiracy theories is that the plans always work perfectly.  Nobody is ever caught setting up one of these events and has something go wrong so their plans are exposed.  Explosives in the WTC?  What if one of the planes never got to the towers?  Then one of the towers is sitting there full of explosives.  It's only after the fact of these events, once the "conspiracy" has succeeded, that these theories start flying around.


If one of the first two planes missed they still had two more planes. ;)
 
2013-05-01 11:50:15 AM  

Lady Indica: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

Yeah but its amazing the number of people who aren't obvious loonies, but hold a conspiracy belief. They just don't make it their hobby like those folks, so they're not always going on about it. I'm sure you can easily think of one or two people who are seeming rational and sane people...but who really think 9/11 was an inside job. Or that the jews secretly control the world. Or that fluoride in the water is dangerous, drug companies withhold cures to (HIV, cancer, etc) for profits...

Not every nutjob wears the tin foil hat in public


I subscribe to two conspiracy theories. The JFK assassination because the absurdity of the official story rivals the belief in the God of the bible and that Flight 93 was brought down by the passengers mostly because I think that the government would protect the white house at all costs and if there were credible intelligence that the flight were headed that way the govt would be forced to shoot down the plane in the safest place possible, like, oh, say, an empty field in PA.
 
2013-05-01 11:50:41 AM  

SuperChuck: megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.

why would you do that to the puppies?


I wouldn't.

Maybe baby cockapoos.

/cockapoo
 
2013-05-01 11:52:18 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.

Well, I can't disagree with that, hopefully their growing pit bulls.
/Still a lot of crazy has happened and some we know about, yea I think people like Jones are distractions. Why? It's what I would do.
/And again I've said too much.
//I'm just drunk and making stuff up now ; )


That makes my feel better about my day-drinking.

Cheers!

(Bloody Mary's ARE a food group.)
 
2013-05-01 11:53:36 AM  
Wow. *makes ME feel better. Yikes.
 
2013-05-01 11:54:08 AM  
The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!
 
2013-05-01 11:54:34 AM  

CrazyCracka420: The fact remains, the 9/11 commission went in looking to prove that planes and fire brought down the WTC buildings.  They didn't even look at the possibility of demolitions being used.

[i14.photobucket.com image 383x223]

Any investigation that uses the "political method" to come to a conclusion, is one that will leave the door open to be questioned for all of eternity.


Put down the bong, man, you've smoked away a dangerous amount of cognitive reasoning ability.
 
2013-05-01 11:59:00 AM  

CrazyCracka420: As a troofer and agnostic (I think that demolitions are what brought down WTC 1, 2 and 7...don't have any idea by who) I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


So please explain how these magical explosives managed to stay completely inert despite being hit by a plane and burning at jet-fuel temperatures for several hours, and only went pop when Bush pressed the button.
 
2013-05-01 12:01:27 PM  

megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: Every time someone says "false flag", Alex Jones straps puppies to his fists and punches a bag of kittens.

Won't someone think of the puppies and kittens?

Won't you think of the soldiers that signed up for chemical warfare training? Yea I met one, really. Yea, I'm sure he was a dumass before all that but well, anyway. Shiat has happened and it will happen again.

I met one...was a regular at somewhere I worked. Amazing guy...definitely a bit "off" but who wouldn't be?

I just *really* want to see Alex Jones with puppies strapped to his hands.

Well, I can't disagree with that, hopefully their growing pit bulls.
/Still a lot of crazy has happened and some we know about, yea I think people like Jones are distractions. Why? It's what I would do.
/And again I've said too much.
//I'm just drunk and making stuff up now ; )

That makes my feel better about my day-drinking.

Cheers!

(Bloody Mary's ARE a food group.)


If ketchup packets are a vegetable well bloody Marys rock : )

And well since I haven't slept yet I don't fell bad ; )
 
2013-05-01 12:01:46 PM  
And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.
 
2013-05-01 12:02:13 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!


That's the other logic bomb that the conspiracy theorists can't explain. How can a government plan and execute perfectly 9/11 to justify a war when they can't, or didn't bother, faking some WMDs in Iraq to justify the official reason for the war.
Faking some WMDs would have been far easier than 9/11.
 
2013-05-01 12:06:48 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Lady Indica: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

Yeah but its amazing the number of people who aren't obvious loonies, but hold a conspiracy belief. They just don't make it their hobby like those folks, so they're not always going on about it. I'm sure you can easily think of one or two people who are seeming rational and sane people...but who really think 9/11 was an inside job. Or that the jews secretly control the world. Or that fluoride in the water is dangerous, drug companies withhold cures to (HIV, cancer, etc) for profits...

Not every nutjob wears the tin foil hat in public

Oh yeah, that's another "conspiracy" I believe in.  I don't think drug companies intentionally withhold cures for HIV, diabetes, cancer, etc.  I'm sure if they had cures that there would be enough people with scruples to release it to the public.  But I have heard that there's hardly any money going into researching cures for these major diseases, and most of the money is going towards research on treating the symptoms of these diseases.  And to me it makes sense, there's no money in curing someone of a disease (like diabetes) but if you can get them coming back to you for the rest of their lives to treat the symptoms, then you're going to make (obviously) a hell of a lot more money.


That certainly seems to make sense, doesn't it? The problem is that it only makes sense on the surface. As soon as you start to delve just a little bit into the medical field, that particular conspiracy theory falls apart. There are a couple of reasons:

1) Drug companies aren't the only ones doing research into diseases. There are thousands of public and private research universities around the world that also do that kind of research.  There's also a ton of government agencies (not just American) that also do research. In order to believe that private drug companies withhold data in order to make a profit, one would also have to believe that all those other scientists around the world are in on it. And you can trust me on this - we don't make nearly enough money to keep our mouths shut if we discovered something life saving.  This is proven time and time again. Heck, just look at how we know about the dangers of Vioxx - the scientist that Merck hired to do an independent study (Dr. Eric Topol, I believe) found it was dangerous, and when Merck tried to cover it up, he told the world.

2) If it is true that they would prefer to make more money off of symptoms rather than curing diseases, why are they selling vaccines? Small pox is gone. Completely wiped from the earth. So is rinderpest. These are two diseases that drug companies won't make money off of anymore.  Polio and guinea worm disease are almost gone. The piddly amount of money drug companies get from vaccines is nothing compared to the money they could have made treating the symptoms of victims. Same with other diseases that aren't gone yet, such as pertussis, measles, chicken pox, diphtheria, malaria, tetanus, typhoid, and more.  If their primary motivation was profit at the cost of lives, then it really doesn't make sense that a drug company would prefer to give a drug that they can only sell one or two to each patient, compared to getting all these people to take a drug daily for life. Let's do some math to prove it. In American, there are about 300 million people. If each person gets the polio vaccine at a cost of $50 each, that's about 15 billion they could make (minus production costs, etc).  However, in 1977 there were 260,000 people paralyzed by polio in the US alone (and this was 20 years after the vaccine had been introduced). If those people had to take a drug daily for life, how much could the company make? By my calculations, it's about 5.5 billion if they sold the drug for a dollar a pill (assuming 60 years of daily drug consumption at $1 per pill).  If they sold it for $3 a pill, or if the pill was to be taken three times a day, they've already made more money. So which is more profitable: a daily drug that only treats the symptoms, or a vaccine that has nearly wiped the disease from the earth (today, the disease prevalence has been reduced 99% compared to 1988, the year world wide eradication was set in motion) - and once the disease is gone, no more profit?
 
2013-05-01 12:07:10 PM  
found that many participants believed in contradictory conspiracy theories.


my favorite is the idea that Obama isn't an American coupled with the other theory that Barack Sr. is not his real father, but Frank Marshall Davis is. So not only is his mom American, now his "real" father is as well.... yet  Obama's not American.


Tatsuma: Deep Contact: Yep. 5 minutes later it was pulled.

Yeah, one news channel misunderstood 'We think that WTC7 is about to collapse' as 'it collapsed'. If only something could explain why they wouldn't have accurate info in such a chaos-free environment.


I've always wondered why it seems like a lot of theories seem to center around what the media reports. I can understand doubting the official record of the Government, but questioning the media who are generally just reporting whatever comes across the desk first?  It's akin to using someone's typo as a means to disarm their argument.
 
2013-05-01 12:08:25 PM  
This explains Congress

What else you got ...
 
2013-05-01 12:14:23 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.


Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs
 
2013-05-01 12:16:11 PM  
(Pardon me while I plagiarize myself)

If you suspect that BushCo used 9-11 as an excuse to attack Iraq, YOU MUST ALSO BELIEVE that BushCo was "behind" 9-11. Right?

If you suspect that ObamaCo used Sandy Hook to bolster their propaganda campaign in an effort to further their gun control agenda, YOU MUST ALSO BELIEVE that ObamaCo was "behind" Sandy Hook. Right?

False dilemma.

Some conspiracies are REAL. There really are people who work together to plot, plan and execute malevolent schemes. People are charged, convicted and sentenced for the crime of CONSPIRACY all the time, and any time one of these conspiracies is uncovered, the discovery process necessarily starts out as a "theory"  -at least until the evidence is compiled to prove the conspiracy.

The Watergate Scandalis an example of just such a REAL conspiracy that went all the way to the office of the POTUS, isn't it?

The accusation of "conspiracy theorist" has a special connotation these days. It can be and is used as a psychological tool to try to prevent people from entertaining certain possibilities, or pursuing certain lines of thought. Clever derogatory labels ("Birther", "Truther" etc) are used in an attempt to deride defame and ridicule anyone who would even DARE broach certain topics.

People are highly social animals, and tend to worry - often obsessively - about what others might "think" of them. They spend small fortunes on fashion, make-up, plastic surgery, accessories, cars, phones, etc. in the hopes of presenting and preserving an "image" that others will "approve" of.

Logic and practicality are NOT prerequisites to the above: For example, women will often buy and wear shoes that are horribly uncomfortable and difficult to walk in simply because they "look cool". The entire advertising industry revolves around appealing not to practical needs, but to the perceptions of the consumer - and much of that is based on the perception of social acceptance.

The same holds true for thought, and people, consciously or unconsciously, often embrace political, religious and other social ideas and concepts BECAUSE they believe doing so will enhance or preserve their "image" - the way that they BELIEVE they will be perceived by others with whom they would like to associate and identify. One need only look to the Politics Tab of Fark for textbook examples of such behavior.

No one likes to be ridiculed, and in the same way that many women wouldn't be "caught dead" wearing an outfit that MIGHT cause others to laugh, ridicule or scorn, there are many people who would rather "DIE" than have anyone attack them by attaching an "uncool" label such as "Truther", "Birther", "Tea-Partier", "Liberal", "anti-Semite", "Homophobe", "Racist", or (God forbid) "Conspiracy Theorist".

Again, logic, reason and practicality are NOT prerequisites to the above. The question is NOT whether sneakers are more practical and comfortable than four-inch heels, only which is perceived as the more "fashionable" "cool" or otherwise socially acceptable alternative.

The same psychology that is successfully used to direct fashion trends can be (and is) used to manipulate "socially acceptable" thoughts and ideas, and those that strongly identify with any given political, religious, or other social group or "movement" (including nationalism) are particularly vulnerable, as the fear of being ostracized within their given "circle" can be terrifying to the point that they will eschew ANY idea that might tend to threaten their status and acceptance within the group.

Of course, the media (including but not limited to the "news" media) is a powerful driving force in shaping which beliefs are "acceptable", and which are likely to subject one to scorn and ridicule, and as with fashion, once an "acceptable belief" has taken root an been embraced, others will naturally join in the chorus, and "dog-piling" to heap ridicule on those who are seen as failing to conform becomes part of the social ritual. After all, there is little value in seeing oneself as a "cool insider" if one cannot point and laugh at the "stupid outsiders", is there?

Us and them.

What do you "believe", and why?

How much of what you "believe" is drawn from rational conclusions based on logical examination, as opposed to "fashion"?

Why do people "believe" in "conspiracy theories"?
 
2013-05-01 12:16:15 PM  
Well, I'm just about done talking now but ciberido knows I'd love to talk more with her, yea it's a curious, curious world .
 
2013-05-01 12:16:32 PM  
One draw of conspiracy theories is the belief that you know something no one else does. Everyone else is part of the sheeple, and you are one of the few enlightened who know the truth. You are Morpheus, and everyone else is trapped in The Matrix. This makes you special, unique, and your life has meaning. You are part of the resistance, the Rebel Alliance. You are the lone voice of reason, the prophet in the wilderness, and you are bringing enlightenment to a world in darkness. it's no wonder these ideas are so appealing.

When you argue against conspiracy theorists, what you are telling them is that they aren't special. You are going up against a raging ego, and no amount of rational argument will convince people to accept that they are just as ordinary as you.
 
2013-05-01 12:20:56 PM  

stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs


Yea, but Stalin got through so no conspiracy : )
Hey we executed them so no worries : )
 
2013-05-01 12:22:12 PM  

stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs


The major difference is that the vast majority of people working on this did not know or understand the full consequences of their jobs, and many were racked with guilt after the bombs dropped, knowing then that they had contributed to this. The top few who did know also only needed to keep the secret until the moment the bomb dropped, after that it didn't matter who knew what.
What the tinfoil hatters expect us to believe is that thousands of people were not only in on it, but had to have been informed of the full extent of the conspiracy, and somehow incentivized to keep that secret for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-05-01 12:22:36 PM  

NostroZ: No Time To Explain: So basically what I'm being told is that believers of conspiracy theories are on the same level as religious zealots?

/I believe that
/if I believe any speculation or faith before knowledge, certify me insane

Anytime someone has the ANSWER before the QUESTION has been asked, you know they are selling you BS.

I've read the conspiracy theories, since they are wildly entertaining (especially David Ike's).  The one similarity that can be drawn between them and religious zealots is that BOTH believe in an ALL POWERFUL unknowable entity that controls their world.  The religious zealots call it G-d, the conspiracy theorists call it ZOG (zionist owned government) or Illuminati.

What really stuck out in the article for me was that people who believe in conspiracy theories are looking for control/order to their unpredictable world.


Isn't wanting to find order in an otherwise chaotic world the same between the religious and the conspiratulist? (I know that's not a word, but you know what I mean, I hope)

/I like the concept of chaotic order, one of those oxymorons I came to like on away
//sort of "expect the unexpected" and something about chaos leads to order and vis versa
 
2013-05-01 12:24:04 PM  
Oh, and sorry ciberido , granted I still want to know if I'm old enough to play on you're lawn, maybe too old ; )
 
2013-05-01 12:25:03 PM  

Flint Ironstag: ourbigdumbmouth: The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!

That's the other logic bomb that the conspiracy theorists can't explain. How can a government plan and execute perfectly 9/11 to justify a war when they can't, or didn't bother, faking some WMDs in Iraq to justify the official reason for the war.
Faking some WMDs would have been far easier than 9/11.


Because they don't give a fark after the fact!
Bush on link between Iraq and 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U66ab4cMCE
bush on ben laden 6mths after 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
And his "one finger victory salute":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twegJ8Kezao
 
2013-05-01 12:25:47 PM  

Amos Quito: No one likes to be ridiculed


I have an acquaintance who is a creationist-birther-truther-antivaxxer-Alex Jones disciple, and he welcomes ridicule as he believes that is all the proof he needs that he must be correct because the bible says that the true prophets of the end times will be persecuted and laughed at. I wish I was making that up.
 
2013-05-01 12:27:44 PM  

stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs


The Manhattan Project was (a) during the war after Pearl harbour and (b) clearly a government project for the good of the country. Americans were highly motivated to keep the secret, even without the threats. Look at Bletchly Park in the UK where they built the worlds first electronic programmable computer and broke Enigma daily, yet that didn't leak out until decades later.

Not if a fairly unpopular president carries out a project to kill 3000 Americans and a destroy chunk of New York do you really think people will be just as happy to keep that secret?
 
2013-05-01 12:32:11 PM  

stryed: Flint Ironstag: ourbigdumbmouth: The media all said Saddam was going to strike and had WMDs.

Do was that bad intelligence or a conspiracy?

You'd be a fool to think it was a conspiracy. A crazy unpatriotic fool I tell you!

That's the other logic bomb that the conspiracy theorists can't explain. How can a government plan and execute perfectly 9/11 to justify a war when they can't, or didn't bother, faking some WMDs in Iraq to justify the official reason for the war.
Faking some WMDs would have been far easier than 9/11.

Because they don't give a fark after the fact!
Bush on link between Iraq and 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U66ab4cMCE
bush on ben laden 6mths after 911:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
And his "one finger victory salute":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twegJ8Kezao


You cannot possibly argue that Bush would not have been hugely, staggeringly, relieved had WMDs been found. Of course he is going to claim otherwise, just as Blair did, when it became clear there were no WMDs. To this day the "False war" accusation follows him around. Had there been WMDs he would have been shown to be right and we would respect and admire him for taking action.
And Blair is culpable because it was his people who "sexed up" the report claiming that Iraq had WMDs.
 
2013-05-01 12:37:49 PM  

notto: untaken_name: ThunderPelvis: 1)  The US government ruthlessly killed 3000 people of its own people on 911.
2)  Alex Jones *apparently* works tirelessly to uncover this heinous conspiracy.
3)  Yet, somehow, Alex Jones's fat, bloviating, gun-cuddling ass has still not been ruthlessly assassinated by the powerful conspirators who remorselessly killed 3000 Americans on 911, and then perpetrated a massive media coverup.
4)  Alex Jones is a laughably retarded dipsh*t.

Obvious conclusion:  Alex Jones act is, IN FACT, an obvious false flag planted by the United States government to make the awakened truthseekers appear foolish and laughably retarded.   FALSE FLAG, FALSE FLAG.

/gonna do this every time I talk to a conspiracy nut from now on.

I met that blowhard in a rental car place in the late 1990s, when he was still local to Austin. He told me he was renting a car because "government thugs" shot his truck all up. With him in it. Without hitting him at all. Totaled his truck tho. Then he gave me some passes to Bad Boys strip club.

/CSB

That is what colloidal silver will do to you.  It will make you crazy.


I dunno about crazy, but it will fark you up.

static.oprah.com
 
2013-05-01 12:39:14 PM  

Wayne 985: Deep Contact: Yeah, about that science.
 [relevantnewsmedia.files.wordpress.com image 400x294]

Oh, you're mentally ill. That's unfortunate.


www.911hardfacts.com
 
2013-05-01 12:40:28 PM  

Flint Ironstag: stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs

The Manhattan Project was (a) during the war after Pearl harbour and (b) clearly a government project for the good of the country. Americans were highly motivated to keep the secret, even without the threats. Look at Bletchly Park in the UK where they built the worlds first electronic programmable computer and broke Enigma daily, yet that didn't leak out until decades later.

Not if a fairly unpopular president carries out a project to kill 3000 Americans and a destroy chunk of New York do you really think people will be just as happy to keep that secret?


Some believe that the end justify the means and would take this as something that's necessary and it might even be patriotic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
3000 killed isn't much when you consider Albright saying that half of million dead children is a price that's "worth it". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo
 
2013-05-01 12:46:07 PM  

Cythraul: SpdrJay: The crap I've read on conspiracy theory boards has done more to make me disbelieve conspiracies than anything else. Many of these people have readily identifiable mental illness and it doesn't lend much credibility to their ideas.

I really do wonder if the likes of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck aren't suffering from paranoid delusion. And no, I'm not being hyperbolic.

It's either clever marketing to the crazies, or they're both lunatics.


Glenn Beck is just sucking money from the rubes, he's admitted it.

I think Jones really is Teh Crazy, but I don't listen to him nor read much about him so i could be wrong
 
2013-05-01 12:49:42 PM  

stryed: Flint Ironstag: stryed: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: And another thing, most of these conspiracies require tens if not hundreds of people to be involved.  Nobody is that good at keeping secrets, and nobody is that mistake-free.

Manhattan Project:
"A 1945 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_%28magazine%29" title="Life (magazine)">Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($128,000 todayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project#cite_note-inflati on-US- 1">[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs

The Manhattan Project was (a) during the war after Pearl harbour and (b) clearly a government project for the good of the country. Americans were highly motivated to keep the secret, even without the threats. Look at Bletchly Park in the UK where they built the worlds first electronic programmable computer and broke Enigma daily, yet that didn't leak out until decades later.

Not if a fairly unpopular president carries out a project to kill 3000 Americans and a destroy chunk of New York do you really think people will be just as happy to keep that secret?

Some believe that the end justify the means and would take this as something that's necessary and it might even be patriotic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
3000 killed isn't much when you consider Albright saying that half of million dead children is a p ...


Oh, these threads are so much fun. Yea, well again I'm gonna say too much but, it's not a conspiracy. How could it be. No one was looking for those guys ever, they appeared out of nowhere. So don't say anything different.
 
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